Erik Prince Recruits Ex-Spies to Help Infiltrate Liberal Groups

  
Via:  ender  •  4 weeks ago  •  77 comments

By:   Mark Mazzetti and Adam Goldman

Erik Prince Recruits Ex-Spies to Help Infiltrate Liberal Groups

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


WASHINGTON — Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive intelligence-gathering operations that included infiltrating Democratic congressional campaigns, labor organizations and other groups considered hostile to the Trump agenda, according to interviews and documents.

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© Jeenah Moon/Reuters  Erik Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials.

One of the former spies, an ex-MI6 officer named Richard Seddon, helped run a 2017 operation to copy files and record conversations in a Michigan office of the American Federation of Teachers, one of the largest teachers’ unions in the nation. Mr. Seddon directed an undercover operative to secretly tape the union’s local leaders and try to gather information that could be made public to damage the organization, documents show.

Using a different alias the next year, the same undercover operative infiltrated the congressional campaign of Abigail Spanberger, then a former C.I.A. officer who went on to win  an important House seat  in Virginia as a Democrat. The campaign discovered the operative and fired her.

Both operations were run by Project Veritas, a conservative group that   has gained attention   using hidden cameras and microphones for sting operations on news organizations, Democratic politicians and liberal advocacy groups. Mr. Seddon’s role in the teachers’ union operation — detailed in internal Project Veritas emails that have emerged from the discovery process of a court battle between the group and the union — has not previously been reported, nor has Mr. Prince’s role in recruiting Mr. Seddon for the group’s activities.

Both   Project Veritas   and   Mr. Prince   have ties to President Trump’s aides and family. Whether any Trump administration officials or advisers to the president were involved in the operations, even tacitly, is unclear. But the effort is a glimpse of a vigorous private campaign to try to undermine political groups or individuals perceived to be in opposition to Mr. Trump’s agenda.

Mr. Prince, the former head of Blackwater Worldwide and the brother of Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, has at times served as an informal adviser to Trump administration officials. He worked with the former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn during the presidential transition. In 2017, he   met with White House and Pentagon officials   to pitch a plan to privatize the Afghan war using contractors in lieu of American troops. Jim Mattis, then the defense secretary, rejected the idea.

Mr. Prince appears to have become interested in using former spies to train Project Veritas operatives in espionage tactics sometime during the 2016 presidential campaign. Reaching out to several intelligence veterans — and occasionally using Mr. Seddon to make the pitch — Mr. Prince said he wanted the Project Veritas employees to learn skills like how to recruit sources and how to conduct clandestine recordings, among other surveillance techniques.

James O’Keefe, the head of Project Veritas, declined to answer detailed questions about Mr. Prince, Mr. Seddon and other topics, but he called his group a “proud independent news organization” that is involved in dozens of investigations. He said that numerous sources were coming to the group “providing confidential documents, insights into internal processes and wearing hidden cameras to expose corruption and misconduct.”

“No one tells Project Veritas who or what to investigate,” he said.

A spokesman for Mr. Prince declined to comment. Emails sent to Mr. Seddon went unanswered.

Mr. Prince is under investigation by the Justice Department over whether he lied to a congressional committee examining Russian interference in the 2016 election, and for possible violations of American export laws. Last year, the House Intelligence Committee made a criminal referral to the Justice Department about Mr. Prince, saying   he lied about the circumstances   of his meeting with a Russian banker in the Seychelles in January 2017.

Once a small operation running on a shoestring budget, Project Veritas in recent years has had a surge in donations from both private donors and conservative foundations. According to its latest publicly available tax filing, Project Veritas received $8.6 million in contributions and grants in 2018. Mr. O’Keefe earned about $387,000.

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© Carlos Barria/Reuters  James O’Keefe, the head of Project Veritas, last year at a White House social media summit.

Last year, the group received a $1 million contribution made through the law firm Alston & Bird, a financial document obtained by The New York Times showed. A spokesman for the firm said that Alston & Bird “has never contributed to Project Veritas on its own behalf, nor is it a client of ours.” The spokesman declined to say on whose behalf the contribution was made.

The financial document also listed the names of others who gave much smaller amounts to Project Veritas last year. Several of them confirmed their donations.

The group   has also become intertwined   with the political activities of Mr. Trump and his family. The Trump Foundation gave $20,000 to Project Veritas in 2015, the year that Mr. Trump began his bid for the presidency. The next year, during a presidential debate with Hillary Clinton, Mr. Trump claimed without substantiation that videos released by Mr. O’Keefe showed that Mrs. Clinton and President Barack Obama had paid people to incite violence at rallies for Mr. Trump.

In a   book published   in 2018, Mr. O’Keefe wrote that Mr. Trump years earlier had encouraged him to infiltrate Columbia University and obtain Mr. Obama’s records.

Last month, Project Veritas made public   secretly recorded video   of a longtime ABC News correspondent who was critical of the network’s political coverage and its emphasis on business considerations over journalism. Many conservatives have gleefully pounced on Project Veritas’s disclosures, including   one particularly influential voice : Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son.

The website   for Mr. O’Keefe’s coming wedding listed Donald Trump Jr. as an invited guest.

Mr. Prince invited Project Veritas operatives — including Mr. O’Keefe — to his family’s Wyoming ranch for training in 2017, The Intercept   reported   last year. Mr. O’Keefe and others shared social media photos of taking target practice with guns at the ranch, including one post from Mr. O’Keefe saying that with the training, Project Veritas will be “the next great intelligence agency.” Mr. Prince had hired a former MI6 officer to help train the Project Veritas operatives, The Intercept wrote, but it did not identify the officer.

Mr. Seddon regularly updated Mr. O’Keefe about the operation against the Michigan teachers’ union, according to internal Project Veritas emails, where the language of the group’s leaders is marbled with spy jargon.

They used a code name — LibertyU — for their operative inside the organization, Marisa Jorge, who graduated from Liberty University in Virginia, one of the nation’s largest Christian colleges. Mr. Seddon wrote that Ms. Jorge “copied a great many documents from the file room,” and Mr. O’Keefe bragged that the group would be able to get “a ton more access agents inside the educational establishment.”

The emails refer to other operations, including weekly case updates, along with training activities that involved “operational targeting.” Project Veritas redacted specifics about those operations from the messages.

In August 2017, Ms. Jorge wrote to Mr. Seddon that she had managed to record a local union leader talking about Ms. DeVos and other topics.

“Good stuff,” Mr. Seddon wrote back. “Did you receive the spare camera yet?”

As education secretary, Ms. DeVos has been a   vocal critic   of teachers’ unions, saying in 2018 that they have a “stranglehold” over politicians at the federal and state levels. She and Mr. Prince grew up in Michigan, where their father made a fortune in the auto parts business.

AFT Michigan sued Project Veritas in federal court, alleging trespassing, eavesdropping and other offenses. The teachers’ union is asking for more than $3 million in damages, accusing the group of being a “vigilante organization which claims to be dedicated to exposing corruption. It is, instead, an entity dedicated to a specific political agenda.”

Project Veritas has said its activities are legal and protected by the First Amendment, and the case is scheduled to go to trial in the fall.

Other Project Veritas employees on the emails include Joe Halderman, an award-winning former television producer who in 2010   pleaded guilty   to trying to extort $2 million from the comedian David Letterman. Mr. Halderman was copied on several messages providing updates about the Michigan operation, and in one message, he gave instructions to Ms. Jorge. Project Veritas tax filings list Mr. Halderman as a “project manager.”

Two other employees, Gaz Thomas and Samuel Chamberlain, were also identified in emails and appeared to play important roles in the Michigan operation. Efforts to locate Mr. Thomas were unsuccessful. A man named Samuel Chamberlain who matched the description of the one employed by Mr. O’Keefe denied he worked for Project Veritas. He did not respond to follow-up phone messages or an email.

Last year, Project Veritas submitted a proposed list of witnesses for the trial over the lawsuit. Mr. Chamberlain and Mr. Thomas were on the list. Mr. Seddon was not.

Ms. Jorge, 23, did not respond to email addresses associated with her Liberty University account. In an archived version of her LinkedIn page, Ms. Jorge wrote she had a deep interest in the conservative movement and hoped one day to serve on the Supreme Court after attending law school.

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© Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times  In 2018, an operative working for Project Veritas infiltrated the campaign of Abigail Spanberger, who went on to win a congressional seat.

In a YouTube video, Mr. O’Keefe described the lawsuit as “frivolous” and pointed to a portion of the deposition in which David Hecker, the president of AFT Michigan, said that one of the goals of the lawsuit was to “stop Project Veritas from doing the kind of work that it does.”

Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, said in a statement: “Let’s be clear who the wrongdoer is here: Project Veritas used a fake intern to lie her way into our Michigan office, to steal documents and to spy — and they got caught. We’re just trying to hold them accountable for this industrial espionage.”

In 2018, Ms. Jorge infiltrated the congressional campaign of Ms. Spanberger, posing as a campaign volunteer. At the time, Ms. Spanberger was running to unseat a sitting Republican congressman in a race both parties considered important for control of the House. Ms. Jorge was eventually exposed and kicked out of the campaign office.

It was unclear whether Mr. Seddon was involved in planning that operation.

Mr. Seddon was a longtime British intelligence officer who served around the world, including in Washington in the years after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He is married to an American diplomat, Alice Seddon, who is serving in the American consulate in Lagos, Nigeria.

Mr. O’Keefe and his group have taken aim at targets over the years including Planned Parenthood, The New York Times, The Washington Post and Democracy Partners, a group that consults with liberal and progressive electoral causes. In 2016, a Project Veritas operative infiltrated Democracy Partners using a fake name and fabricated résumé and made secret recordings of the staff. The year after the sting, Democracy Partners sued Project Veritas, and its lawyers have since deposed Mr. O’Keefe.

In that deposition, Mr. O’Keefe defended the group’s undercover tactics, saying they were part of a long tradition of investigative journalism going back to muckraking reporters like Upton Sinclair. “I’m not ashamed of the methods that we use or the recordings that we use,” he said.

He was asked whether he had provided any of the group’s secret recordings of Democracy Partners to the Republican National Committee or any member of the Trump family. He said that he did not think so.

In 2010, Mr. O’ Keefe and three others   pleaded guilty   to a federal misdemeanor after admitting they entered a government building in New Orleans under false pretenses as part of a sting.

Kitty Bennett contributed research.

Originally from The New York Times via MSN


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Ender
1  seeder  Ender    4 weeks ago

How can this not be illegal.

So the trump campaign can recruit and train then place spies into any opposition.

Film, record and steal documents.

This is so corrupt, we are screwed.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  Ender @1    4 weeks ago

Are you denying that the leftists don't do this kind of stuff?

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Ender
1.1.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  WallyW @1.1    4 weeks ago

Show me where they have and i will condemn it.

Why people want to dismiss things like this is beyond me.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @1.1.1    4 weeks ago

Seems to me it could make a good movie script - James Bond stuff.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.2    3 weeks ago
Seems to me it could make a good movie script - James Bond stuff.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

I'm sorry, but I'm not able to open YouTube.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @1    3 weeks ago

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lady in black
2  lady in black    4 weeks ago

Worst president and worst administration in the history of this country.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3  Ed-NavDoc    4 weeks ago

Prince is and always has been a spoiled rich kid and unprincipled thug. Had a friend of mine who was a Navy Seal and served with Prince and could not stand him! Neither could a lot of other people in the same unit. His ego was out of control even then.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    4 weeks ago

Sadly, true of most of the Seals I have worked for, or with.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    3 weeks ago

In 20 years in the Navy, I came across many Seals. By and large the majority were good honest people just trying to do their jobs the best they could. Unfortunately, just like other groups you had the few people like Prince and  Gallagher that tarnished the reputation of the group.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4  Split Personality    4 weeks ago

Shades of Roger Stone and Richard Nixon...

 
 
 
loki12
5  loki12    4 weeks ago

Hahahahahahahahahaha............Hypocrisy at its finest, Hillary hires a spy to gather information on trump and Obama uses the intelligence agencies to spy on his campaign, but you are outraged that trump is doing it? Do you know the definition of hypocrisy?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5    4 weeks ago

Please...

The Justice Department's inspector general found no evidence to support President Donald Trump's claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 presidential campaign while investigating whether the campaign was conspiring with the Russian government to interfere in the election Link

So you do not know the difference between opposition research and placing/training spies and stealing documents.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.1  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1    4 weeks ago

It’s called opposition research, if they steal documents that is a crime, do you have proof or feelings? You do know that the FISA court has banned the agents who spied on the trump campaign from ever filling a FISA request. 

The inspector generals job is to protect the agency, the court has banned them. That’s proof right there they committed wrong doing.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

Did you read the article? Hell they admit it. They have been sued and found guilty before. They are going through lawsuits now.

Stop with the lies. The campaign was not spied on no matter how many times you repeat it.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.3  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

The court said they were, and Hillary hired a spy to steal and gather evidence on trump! Fact!

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.4  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

This article is nothing but opinion and speculation, there is factual proof that Hillary did exactly what you are whining about and yet nothing on your part. 

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Ender
5.1.5  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

The court said no such thing.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.6  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.4    4 weeks ago

There is no proof that the Hillary campaign planted spies in the campaign nor did they do secret recordings, secret video or copy/steal documents.

Trying to make them the same is nothing but misdirection.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.7  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

They are the same, and they aren’t spying on a campaign like Hillary did, they are doing investigative reporting on organizations. Hillary hired a spy to spy on a campaign!

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Ender
5.1.8  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.7    4 weeks ago

Either quit with the lies or find another seed.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  loki12 @5.1.7    4 weeks ago

It was a Republican group that STARTED the damn investigation into Trump, Hillary just kept it going.

Quit with hypocritical hypocrisy, as the Repubes win that hands down.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.1.10  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  loki12 @5.1.4    4 weeks ago
I will ask again, do you know the definition of hypocrisy?

Try asking Eric Prince and his sister, Betsy DeVos.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.11  loki12  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.10    4 weeks ago

I know the definition, this article is a perfect example in spite of your poor attempt at deflection.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.12  loki12  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.9    4 weeks ago

That’s a deflection, the spy wasn’t hired until the Hillary campaign ordered it. You attempted deflection has failed.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.13  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.8    4 weeks ago

[Deleted] everything posted is factual, you have opinions.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.14  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.13    4 weeks ago

And yet no links and absolutely zero to back up your assertions.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.15  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.14    4 weeks ago

Here you go, The FISA court has ruled these agents are lying POS and no longer can file warrants. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/fisa-court-bars-fbi-agents-involved-in-surveilling-carter-page/vp-BB10NJle

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.16  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.15    4 weeks ago

Still does not claim the court said the campaign was spied on.

The court never said any such thing.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.17  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.16    4 weeks ago

They lied on a fisa warrant to spy on the campaign. Period, no matter how deep you bury your head in the sand that is a fact. The bonus is those FBI agents careers are ruined.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.18  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.17    4 weeks ago

You can move the bar all you want. The fact is, the court never said the campaign was spied on. Period.

The only ones that say they were are trump and his sycophants.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.19  loki12  replied to  Ender @5.1.18    4 weeks ago

And the court! 

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.20  seeder  Ender  replied to  loki12 @5.1.19    4 weeks ago

Repeating a lie does not make it true.

Only makes one look like a....

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @5.1.14    4 weeks ago

And yet no links and absolutely zero to back up your assertions.

c'mon, he's a Trump supporter, defender, excuser, rationalizer, justifyer, of a 'right' view to no where but he still wants you to add token quarters to the Silver observation and enhancement adjuster but out with a mis judgement of an adjustment to back

up beepers that ring like bells when wons view is their greatest loss

within the mine of minds not saying n e thing 

worth

while   simultaneously saying it all by

saying nothing  more on   being

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @5.1.20    4 weeks ago
eating a lie does not make it true.

Yet you keep saying the Trump campaign wasn't spied on, yet the IG report documented that it was. Sad!

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.23  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.22    4 weeks ago

How so? So having Page under surveillance while he was not working for the campaign equals the campaign....

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.24  seeder  Ender  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.21    4 weeks ago

Reminds me why I don't seed very much, the trolling behavior.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @5.1.23    4 weeks ago

It wasn't just Page.

They used a CI to approach a Trump campaign member 

They used a supposed "defensive briefing" with the campaign as a pretext to get agents inside the campaign to gather information.  

There's using the spy Halper to meet with Trump campaign officials.

There's more if I cared enough to go back and look at the report again.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.26  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @5.1.24    4 weeks ago

sometimes you just gotta lock the hubs and ride over the damn trolls

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.27  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.25    4 weeks ago

Yep, read the report again...

But inspector general investigators found no evidence of illegal “spying” — either before or after the FBI on July 31, 2016, opened the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

“We found no evidence that the FBI used CHSs [confidential human sources] or UCEs [undercover employees] to interact with members of the Trump campaign prior to the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation,” the report   said . “After the opening of the investigation, we found no evidence that the FBI placed any CHSs or UCEs within the Trump campaign or tasked any CHSs or UCEs to report on the Trump campaign.”

Link
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.28  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @5.1.27    4 weeks ago

You don't seem to understand the words being used.

It says the spying wasn't illegal. Again,the FBI directed agents to meet with the campaign under a pretext of a defensive briefing and to gather information.  That's the literal textbook definition of spying .

and you probbaly should read a little further down your partisan link:

After the FBI opened an investigation in late July 2016, the FBI used four confidential human sources and “a few” undercover employees that “resulted in interactions with Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, and a high-level Trump campaign official who was not a subject of the investigation.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.29  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @5.1.24    4 weeks ago
Reminds me why I don't seed very much, the trolling behavior.

Just put the Trolls on Ignore and focus on those who have something to contribute to the article/seed. The Trolls don't have anything but garbage to spew anyway, so why give them a platform to continue to puke in your article/seed.

Being ignored it what they hate they most, so just put them in Ignore and let THEM be the ones to be pissed off, not you. Everyone here on NT knows who they are, so it would be no surprise. Trolls are a penny a dozen, but, I prefer to save my pennies and watch them grow, not my BP.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.30  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.25    4 weeks ago

How come people went to jail in the Mueller probe, and no one seems to even be perspiring about this. Are those darn Democrats that much more clever than  those rousky  Republicans ?

Cause Republicans couldn't even get anything to stick to slick Willy other than a dress, and Hillary got yelled at.

And that Damn Obama, he had Trump Tower wired...remember, Donald told us but NEVER provided any PROOF !

Those darn Dems.

Ever wonder how with the same judicial system, so many around Trump along with a substancial number of gOp people are found either innocent or guilty ,  but deliberating as to why neither... 

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.31  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.28    4 weeks ago

It was opened because of Page and Papadopoulos. 

They were looking at the info wikileaks had and the Russian involvement.

No spies were put into the campaign.

Next you are going to tell me that a cop asking you a question about an investigation is them spying on you.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.32  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @5.1.31    4 weeks ago
was opened because of Page and Papadopoulos. 

WTF does that have to do with whether the campagin was spied on?

They were looking at the info wikileaks had and the Russian involvemen

WTF does that have to do with whether the campagin was spied on?
 

No spies were put into the campaign.

That's not the discussion. I said the campaign was spied on and it was, as your own link proved.

ext you are going to tell me that a cop asking you a question about an investigation is them spying on you.

Why would I say anything else when you keep avoiding what I've already proven? But, c'mon you've got to understand the difference between  a cop asking a question and an FBI agent lying about the purpose of a meeting so he could meet with you and gather information about your actives without telling you an investigation was taking place? You get that gaining access and information through false pretenses and lying is textbook spying, right? 

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.33  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.32    4 weeks ago

If you cannot or will not believe the IG report when it states that the campaign was not spied on, I cannot help you.

My only advice is to lay off fox news for that is the only thing you have proven to me.

 
 
 
pat wilson
5.1.34  pat wilson  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.29    4 weeks ago
Just put the Trolls on Ignore and focus on those who have something to contribute to the article/seed. The Trolls don't have anything but garbage to spew anyway,

Excellent advice ! You either have trolls or elderly cry babies on this site ! I love the ignore function.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.35  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @5.1.15    4 weeks ago

SOP, Standard Operating Procedure.

From your own link...

Your contention is a complete misrepresentation of  what the court ruled.

FBI  officials involved in the wiretapping of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page have been blocked , at least temporarily, from appearing before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) in regard to other cases, in rebuke that exceeded the remedial  recommendations  made by the independent monitor recently appointed by the court.

...

"FBI personnel under disciplinary review in relation to their work on FISA applications accordingly should not participate in drafting, verifying, reviewing, or submitting such applications to the Court while the review is pending, " Boasberg wrote. "The same prohibition applies to any DOJ attorney under disciplinary review, as well as any DOJ or FBI personnel who are the subject of a criminal referral related to their work on FISA applications."
 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.36  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @5.1.17    4 weeks ago
The bonus is those FBI agents careers are ruined.

Complete and utter nonsense.  They are temporarily restricted while the process is under review. SOP.

Under one kind of Administration they would likely be fired.

Under another, they would anonymously receive awards like the  the FBI Star, the FBI Medal for Meritorious Achievement, the FBI Shield of Bravery, and the FBI Medal of Valor.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.37  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    4 weeks ago

Just STOP.

How do you expect that whisked together by a whim in a cement mixer bowl is gonna smoke after that blaze down of FACTS !

their off in the Smokey Mts trying to recover from Chinese take out orders delivered for free, while they try and grab fresh air from floating invisible thoughts made to blow open signs closed for advertising bounce houses Trump Checks with Golf shoes that he usually bowls in.

Open marketed to market a thought or two to too many shopping for a Tuesday, so it must be Monday.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.38  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.35    3 weeks ago

The court ruled they lied about spying on trump.   Period. as for the second part, the IG investigation was over when the court ruled. So you have failed!

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.39  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.36    3 weeks ago
They are temporarily restricted while the process is under review. SOP.

The IG review is over, Period!!!!!  Every defense attorney in the country knows they lied and the FISA court has banned them, Their credibility is gone and their careers with it, everyone with any common sense knows this.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.40  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @5.1.39    3 weeks ago
The IG review is over, Period!!!!!  Every defense attorney in the country knows they lied and the FISA court has banned them, Their credibility is gone and their careers with it, everyone with any common sense knows this.

Yes the IG report is over, but not the internal investigations that Horowitz requested.

While Mr. Horowitz did not find evidence to confirm Republican conspiracy theories that the Russia investigation and surveillance of Mr. Page were a high-level plot to sabotage Mr. Trump for political reasons, he rejected as unsatisfactory the excuse that the officials working on the applications were busy and referred all of them for internal investigation.

Judge Boasberg’s new order also directed that no Justice Department or F.B.I. officials “under disciplinary or criminal review relating to their work on FISA applications shall participate in drafting, verifying, reviewing or submitting such applications to the court.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/politics/fisa-court-fbi-surveillance.html

Pete Rose is banned from MLB & the Hall of Fame. 

These DOJ & FBI people are being investigated and their guilt and punishment is very much still undecided,

certainly not "banned" (yet).

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.41  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.40    3 weeks ago

The FISA court has banned them! Period. The investigation is separate, spin all you want the fact is the FISA court has permanently branded them liars publicly. A secret court has made a public statement that the are untrustworthy. Only a fucking moron wouldn’t  think they aren’t  finished.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.42  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @5.1.41    3 weeks ago
The FISA court has banned them! Period.

No, they haven't. Boasberg clearly stated that they "should not" participate in any way shape or form,

while they are under investigation. Period. End of the semantics.

The "not so secret court" made a recommendation under threat of contempt of court to the people in the DoJ and FBI who were referred by the IG for internal or criminal investigation.

Standard Operating procedure for the FBI and DoJ.  No one with a molecule of common sense would let anyone under investigation near a similar investigation reporting to the same court.  Duh.

The only difference is Boasberg's unusual public statement.

The word "banned" does not appear in his statement and it probably would not be enforceable.  The court has very little authority over other Federal agencies.

Judge R. M. Collyer originally made the first public statement on the matter in December of 2019 and gave the DoJ, FBI, et.al., until January 10th to come up with the appropriate reforms.

Boasberg is just ranting and threatening because he doesn't believe the reforms are enough.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.43  loki12  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.42    3 weeks ago

Should not is banned, and that's not the point, the point is their careers are over because they were partisan douchebags who lied to the court and now every defense attorney in the country knows this, they are worthless, they were worthless before but now it's official, they can never testify again.  And you show anywhere now that the IG report is over that they are under investigation? Has Durham named them? if not prove they are under investigation now that the report is done. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.44  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @5.1.24    3 weeks ago
'Reminds me why I don't seed very much, the trolling behavior.'

Yeah, it gets pretty tiresome when seeds are taken over this way without much recourse.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.45  Split Personality  replied to  loki12 @5.1.43    3 weeks ago

"should not" is not banned. If the court had that power, that's what they would have said.

And you show anywhere now that the IG report is over that they are under investigation?

The court's statement "while they are under investigation" isn't good enough for you? The IG report referred them for internal investigation and/or criminal investigation by the DoJ or FBI, possibly the mysterious  Durham.

A few will undoubtedly be charged, possibly disciplined, maybe lose their federal job and go work elsewhere.

Others will escape with a letter in their personnel file and keep on keeping on.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

It’s called investigative journalism...

 
 
 
Ender
6.1  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    4 weeks ago

And McCarthy was just keeping America safe...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @6.1    4 weeks ago

I don't think you understand what McCarthy did.  McCarthy claimed he knew of  soviet collaborators in the State Department without having any evidence to justify his accusations. Think of the modern progressive who claimed Trump was working for Putin for an actual comparison.

Prince wants to gather actual facts. He's a modern Nellie Bly.

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.2  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

McCarthy used his office to go after people he deemed a threat. Sounds familiar...

Calling what they are doing 'fact gathering' is a joke. Prince is a piece of shit that is under investigation himself.

I swear, the things some will defend.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

Are you paying attention to your metaphors at all? 

Prince is not  using an  "office" to go after people. He's a private citizen supporting journalism. 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.4  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.3    4 weeks ago

He is a private citizen using trained espionage agents to infiltrate political rivals.

Investigative journalism my ass.

They are only trying to take down opposition.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @6.1.4    4 weeks ago

So? Being a partisan is not a bar to being a journalist. 

The most famous journalists in American history, the muckrakers, were openly partisan. 

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.6  seeder  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.5    4 weeks ago

Prince and O'Keefe are not journalists.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    3 weeks ago
'Prince wants to gather actual facts. He's a modern Nellie Bly.'

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JBB
7  JBB    4 weeks ago

You know Trump is spying on the Biden campaign...

 
 
 
WallyW
7.1  WallyW  replied to  JBB @7    4 weeks ago

Perfectly legal.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  WallyW @7.1    4 weeks ago
Perfectly legal.

And yet your indignance knows no bounds when you think it's happening to Trump? 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
8  Larry Hampton    4 weeks ago

Rump hasn’t been building a government. He’s been building a mob organization. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
8.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Larry Hampton @8    4 weeks ago
He’s been building a mob organization. 

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Buzz of the Orient
9  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

They still have a lot to learn from the Chinese.  It will take a while for them to learn how to make refrigerators report to Xi Jinping what food you eat, to create flat screen TVs to report what programs you watch, for washing machines to report what clothes you wear, for cars to report where you go, for computers and cellphones to expose all your secrets, etc. Your lives are already an open book.  LOL

 
 
 
Kavika
9.1  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    4 weeks ago

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Buzz of the Orient
9.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @9.1    4 weeks ago

China has already hacked the US Patent Office so that they can steal every new patent that is filed.  In fact they already are in the process of manufacturing every new invention filed in the past week, using slave labour pre-teens who are chained to the machines and are only allowed to sleep 4 hours a night.

You know what, Kavika?  There are NT members who post similar comments and would actually believe these things.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
9.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.1    3 weeks ago
There are NT members who post similar comments and would actually believe these things.

True. And we have seen many of them posted here on NT. Total ignorance knows no bounds. And those who puke out the lies count on the ignorance of those they know will believe it.

I am amazed at the number of people who are adverse to educating themselves, preferring to remain ignorant and be used by those who count on their ignorance to spread their lies.

 
 
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