Trump struggles to explain why he disbanded his global health team

  
Via:  tessylo  •  4 weeks ago  •  103 comments

By:   Steve Benen

Trump struggles to explain why he disbanded his global health team

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Trump struggles to explain why he disbanded his global health team


According to Trump, "you can never really think is going to happen," but the NSC's team existed precisely because officials recognized the possible threat.




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March 9, 2020, 11:20 AM EDT

By   Steve Benen


One of Donald Trump's most important missteps in dealing with the coronavirus outbreak happened before anyone had even heard of COVID-19. In fact, the president's first error came back   in 2018 .

It was two years ago when Trump   ordered the shutdown   of the White House National Security Council's entire global health security unit. NBC News had a   good report   on this recently, noting that the president's decision "to downsize the White House national security staff -- and eliminate jobs addressing global pandemics -- is likely to hamper the U.S. government's response to the coronavirus."


It was against this backdrop that a reporter asked Trump late last week about whether he was prepared to "rethink having an Office of Pandemic Preparation in the White House." The president   replied :


"I just think this is something, Peter, that you can never really think is going to happen. You know, who -- I've heard all about, 'This could be...' -- you know, 'This could be a big deal,' from before it happened. You know, this -- something like this could happen.... Who would have thought? Look, how long ago is it? Six, seven, eight weeks ago -- who would have thought we would even be having the subject? ... You never really know when something like this is going to strike and what it's going to be."


It's worth emphasizing that this is Trump's second explanation related to his decision to disband his global health security team. "I'm a business person," he   explained   two weeks ago in response to a similar question. "I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them. When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

As it turns out, the administration   cannot   actually reassemble such a team "very quickly," though Trump, still unfamiliar with how much of the executive branch works, may not have known that.

It set the stage for this new argument: Trump  dissolved  the White House's pandemic team because he had no idea he might need a pandemic team .





Except, that's not an especially satisfying answer. The whole point of having a team focused on epidemiological threats is (a) viral outbreaks can happen; (b) one never knows when they'll happen; and (c) countries want to be prepared when they do happen.





According to the president, "you can never really think is going to happen," but the National Security Council's team existed precisely because officials recognized the possible hazard. Indeed, as the  New York Times   noted  overnight that President Barack Obama established the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense at the National Security Council after the 2014 Ebola outbreak, making clear that some folks were acutely aware of possibilities like these.

It's as if the president is unfamiliar with the idea of insurance on a conceptual level.





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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

He disbanded it because Obama

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1    4 weeks ago

Reading your own post might help, and I quote:

"to downsize the White House national security staff

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    4 weeks ago

He disbanded it because Obama

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    4 weeks ago
He disbanded it because Obama

So, you're claiming Obama told him to.  Thanks for the info.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.2    4 weeks ago

[deleted]  tRump had it disbanded because President Obama had it put in place.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    4 weeks ago
tRump had it disbanded because President Obama had it put in place. 

Exactly where did you read that?  I read this: "to downsize the White House national security staff

I saw no mention of "because Obama had it put in place."

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.4    4 weeks ago

Anything President Obama did, was something tRump, the stupid turd, made sure to get rid of.  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    4 weeks ago

That's just another opinion that's wrong...you have no proof. And what relevance would this "pandemic team" have today?

What would be their function and purpose?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    4 weeks ago
Anything President Obama did, was something that Trump made sure to get rid of...

and for good reasons. Obama was an awful president who did lots of wrong things.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.6    4 weeks ago

'That's just another opinion that's wrong...you have no proof. And what relevance would this "pandemic team" have today?

What would be their function and purpose?'

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Paula Bartholomew
1.1.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.5    4 weeks ago

When the shoe is on the other foot, Trump will find out that a lot of things with his name on it will be gone.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.10  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.6    4 weeks ago
'And what relevance would this "pandemic team" have today?

What would be their function and purpose?'

Someone asked me what relevance a pandemic preparedness team had to do with this possible pandemic and what the big whoop was about tRump disbanding the pandemic response team.

DUH!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.11  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1    4 weeks ago

I'll never understand why some members think that if they truncate a quote in a misleading way, it bolsters their posit. 

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    4 weeks ago

He is the WORST president this country has EVER had.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @2    4 weeks ago
He is the WORST president this country has EVER had.  

Have no fear.  He'll continue to be among the best Presidents this country has ever had for the next 4 1/2 years.

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.1  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    4 weeks ago

Yeah, no...the worst of the worst president this country has ever had.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @2.1.1    4 weeks ago
Yeah, no...the worst of the worst president this country has ever had.

You're well within your rights to have your own opinion.  Fortunately, you don't have facts to support that contention.

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.3  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    4 weeks ago

I sure do, worst president ever.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
2.1.4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1    4 weeks ago
Have no fear.  He'll continue to be among the best Presidents this country has ever had for the next 4 1/2 years.

I still like you.  Just not as much as I did before you posted this comment.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

Why?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @2.1.3    4 weeks ago
I sure do, worst president ever.

I already agreed that you have the right to your opinion.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.4    4 weeks ago
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lady in black
2.1.8  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

My opinion is supported by facts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.9  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.7    4 weeks ago

Interesting, I saw a seed about Erik Prince on Newstalkers.  You know/knew him right?  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.9    4 weeks ago
You know/knew him right?

Nope.  Never met the man.  I knew a bunch of people that worked for him.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.10    4 weeks ago

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That's what I thought.  I recall you claiming different circumstances to former posters here on Newstalkers.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.12  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @2.1.8    4 weeks ago
My opinion is supported by facts.

Then how can you claim worst?

Facts indicate;

A great economy.

Lowest unemployment in history.

Manufacturing jobs coming back. (Trump must have been that magic wand that eluded Obama.)

Lowest black unemployment in history.

Great wage gains at the lower wage earner levels.

Military is being rebuilt.

So the FACTS dispute your opinion.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.13  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.11    4 weeks ago
That's what I thought.  I recall you claiming different circumstances to former posters here on Newstalkers.  

Your memory is faulty.

Actually, thinking back, my memory might be at fault.  There might have been one occasion where I met him in passing, but other than that, nothing that I can recall.

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.14  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

Manufacturing did not come back and neither is coal...he built on Obama's economy....he is a buffoon, and a terrible president, the worst this country has ever had.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.15  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @2.1.14    4 weeks ago
Manufacturing did not come back and neither is coal...he built on Obama's economy....he is a buffoon, and a terrible president, the worst this country has ever had.  

Hardly.  As I said, you're entitled to your OPINION but not your own facts:

More Jobs Under Trump Than Under Obama's Last 2 Years

The federal government released its first jobs report of 2019, showing that nonfarm payroll grew by 304,000 in January, far above economists’ consensus estimate of 170,000. The average monthly gain in 2018 was 223,000.

Over the past year, average hourly earnings were up 3.2%.

After revising its data for past periods, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports that seasonally adjusted nonfarm employment grew by 5.1 million jobs in President Trump’s first full two years in office, a 3.5% increase. Private sector payrolls grew by 4.9 million, a 4.0% increase.

By comparison, over the same 24-month period, the economy added 5.0 million jobs in former President Obama’s last two years in office, with private sector employment up by 4.7 million.

Significantly, growth in manufacturing jobs continued to show strength, with 13,000 jobs added in January.

Over the past two years, with the encouragement of the Trump Administration’s red-tape cutting policies and the tax cut and reform law passed in December 2017, manufacturers added 467,000 jobs, more than six times the 73,000 manufacturing jobs added in Obama’s last two years.

Looking at Trump’s first two years, the revised BLS data shows that more than two manufacturing jobs were added for every one job added in government at the federal, state, and local level. In contrast, under Obama, almost five government jobs were added for every one manufacturing job.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.16  katrix  replied to  lady in black @2.1.3    4 weeks ago

He just commuted the sentence of a huge Medicare fraudster. She stole over $200 million and abused elderly patients.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/10/pardon-commuting-sentence-medicare-fraudster-judith-negron-donald-trump-column/4994494002/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  katrix @2.1.16    4 weeks ago

She must be a big Republican donor. 

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.18  lady in black  replied to  katrix @2.1.16    4 weeks ago

Once again proving he is the worst president.  How many crooks has the crooked himself pardoned.  How many in his crooked administration are now in jail....he is a disgrace to the office of the presidency

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.19  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.12    4 weeks ago

Your opinions are all disputed by FACTS.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.20  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.19    4 weeks ago
Your opinions are all disputed by FACTS.  

Quite the contrary.  I provide the facts, and others try to dispute them with opinions and emotions.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.20    4 weeks ago

Nope.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.22  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.13    4 weeks ago

That's not what I meant though.  You told a prior poster about your alleged profession.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.23  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.11    4 weeks ago

Busted!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.24  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.22    4 weeks ago
That's not what I meant though.  You told a prior poster about your alleged profession.

WTF are you rambling about "alleged profession"?   

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.25  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.24    4 weeks ago

You know what I mean.  [deleted Discuss the topic, not the members.]

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.26  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.25    4 weeks ago
You know what I mean.  You told a former poster you were employed in a certain fashion, which I know is a lie.

I haven't the foggiest idea what you're claiming.  What exactly is a "certain fashion"?  Further, as you don't know me personally, how can you claim anything is a lie?  Please be specific in your response.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.27  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.26    4 weeks ago

I am reminded of Ronald Reagan's famous quote...........

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so."
 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.28  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.12    4 weeks ago
A great economy.

Not for most.

Lowest unemployment in history.

False.

Manufacturing jobs coming back. (Trump must have been that magic wand that eluded Obama.)

Not since Trump's tarriffs. 

Lowest black unemployment in history.

Yes more blacks are employed yet blacks are STILL 2-3 times more likely to live in poverty.

Good times indeed. /s

Great wage gains at the lower wage earner levels.

That couldn't have anything to do with states and locals raising their minimum wage could it. You know, that policy that the GOP opposes. 

Military is being rebuilt.

No, Trump's vanity project is being built, the military is footing the bill. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

Unfortunately, it's impossible to know if the change at the White House had any impact. The idea was so new, it hadn't had a chance to be tested. If the previous apparatus had been in place, what would be different? Would testing kits have worked better? Would there have been more of them? Would all traffic into the US have been blocked? Would they have been able to find out how sneaky the incubation of this virus is any faster?

In the meantime, Trump has appointed Pence to coordinate the various government agencies fighting the pandemic. That seems to have been the point of the preexisting program anyway.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3    4 weeks ago

NO, it's not impossible to know if had any impact.

It has had an enormous impact on the response to this.

Just keep on excusing this inept, incompetent bumbling administration/'president'

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    4 weeks ago
It has had an enormous impact on the response to this.

You keep posting that with nothing to back it up. Hows about some "ferinstances"?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

Just keep on excusing this inept, incompetent bumbling administration/'president.

That's all his supporters seem to be good for.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

So you have nothing. ....................again.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    4 weeks ago
It has had an enormous impact on the response to this.

Please give us details.

Just keep on excusing this inept, incompetent bumbling administration/'president'

It seems like you're asking me to be angry for no reason. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

Was I talking to you?  [deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.6  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

So you have nothing. ....................again.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.5    4 weeks ago
Was I talking to you?

Yes. You were. Take a look. You said to me:

It has had an enormous impact on the response to this.

To which I responded,

Please give us details.

I wasn't nasty to you and I even said "please." You want to answer my request for details now? Or do you want to keep being nasty?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.7    4 weeks ago

Doesn't matter what details I provide to you, you will twist and excuse this incompetent bumbling inept moron of a 'president' and administration.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.8    4 weeks ago

Well why don't you give it a shot for shits and giggles?.........Please.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.8    4 weeks ago
Doesn't matter what details I provide to you, you will twist and excuse this incompetent bumbling inept moron of a 'president' and administration.

Not at all. I am genuinely curious. There are many approaches to this around the world. Even different states have different approaches. I very much want to know what works and what doesn't. 

There is a lot of talk out there and a lot of emotion. People are panicking. Is talk that Trump is screwing things up more panic or legitimate criticism? If it's legitimate, we should be able to support the idea by pointing to what he should be doing that's different.

So I'll ask again. What is it that would have happened differently and better if he had not dismantled this pandemic apparatus in the White House? Would it really have changed anything?

It is my understanding that this system had only been in place for a couple of years. Had it even had a chance to be tested yet? Was there any evidence that it was effective in the way intended?

If you were just venting, please speak up and say so. This is a matter that is important to people and games don't help anyone.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.11  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.10    4 weeks ago

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Tacos!
3.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.11    4 weeks ago

I guess you're determined to be nasty, so I will assume you were just being emotional when you said 

It has had an enormous impact on the response to this.

You have been asked multiple times now, and very politely, to explain the impact and you clearly can't. And you think you have license to be shitty to people.

Of course Trump took something that was proven to work reasonably effectively and busted it all up.

Once again you make the claim that this system was "proven to work" but you don't say how.

Having been challenged on this and failed to respond multiple times, I am left to conclude that this is an emotional fantasy you are creating and there is no truth to it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.1.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.11    4 weeks ago

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Tessylo
3.1.15  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.12    4 weeks ago
When Ebola broke out in West Africa in 2014, President Barack Obama recognized that responding to the outbreak overseas, while also protecting Americans at home, involved multiple U.S. government departments and agencies, none of which were speaking to one another. Basically, the U.S. pandemic infrastructure was an enormous orchestra full of talented, egotistical players, each jockeying for solos and fame, refusing to rehearse, and demanding higher salaries—all without a conductor. To bring order and harmony to the chaos, rein in the agency egos, and create a coherent multiagency response overseas and on the homefront, Obama   anointed   a former vice presidential staffer, Ronald Klain, as a sort of “epidemic czar” inside the White House, clearly stipulated the roles and budgets of various agencies, and placed incident commanders in charge in each Ebola-hit country and inside the United States. The orchestra may have still had its off-key instruments, but it played the same tune.

In 2017 and 2018, the philanthropist billionaire Bill Gates met repeatedly with Bolton and his predecessor, H.R. McMaster, warning that ongoing cuts to the global health disease infrastructure would render the United States vulnerable to,   as he put it  , the “significant probability of a large and lethal   modern-day pandemic   occurring in our lifetimes.” And an independent, bipartisan panel formed by the Center for Strategic and International Studies   concluded   that lack of preparedness was so acute in the Trump administration that the “United States must either pay now and gain protection and security or wait for the next epidemic and pay a much greater price in human and economic costs.
 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.16  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.12    4 weeks ago

I've given you the answer MULTIPLE times.  Like tRump, that's not the answer you want 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.17  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.16    4 weeks ago
I've given you the answer MULTIPLE times.

I don't think so. Maybe you misunderstand the question? I understand the nature of the program, how it came to be and what happened to it. I don't need you to keep telling me about it.

What I am interested in is how we know that getting rid of it "had an enormous impact" on anything. That system was never tested, as far as I can tell. Since it was implemented there had been no outbreak like this to test it against. We have no idea if it would have been any different than the methods used this time around or any time before.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.17    4 weeks ago

Well that's ONE way of looking at it.

They also could have been in place, pushed a few buttons, ordered all of the correct test kits and been far ahead of where we are now with national protocols, etc.

On the other hand they could have been a hot, confused mess that the President could rightly point fingers at and place the blame on.

Instead, we have what we have, daily contradictions by the POTUS and his experts, few test kits and a spreading epidemic that threatens to thin the 'boomers' and the 'silent generation' permanently.

A true conspiracy theory would be that it is deliberate to save Social Security.  /s

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1.19  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.8    4 weeks ago

This is a tactic taught at the Heartland Institute Internet manipulation school. 

Several of this school's far right wing graduates are paid to be here. 

Funny how hard it is to tell them from the Russian bots.

Guess the Heartland institute for propaganda has added to their tobacco and fossil fuel clients. Vlad Putin now seems to be a Heartland Institute client. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.18    4 weeks ago
pushed a few buttons

Pushed a few buttons, eh?

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It's a shame that in the 100 or so other countries with coronavirus, no one thought to push a button.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.21  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.17    4 weeks ago

Nope, you're not getting the answer you want so you twist it.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.22  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @3.1.19    4 weeks ago
'This is a tactic taught at the Heartland Institute Internet manipulation school.  Several of this school's far right wing graduates are paid to be here.'

It's so glaringly obvious.  I have a good idea who some others are . . . 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.21    4 weeks ago

I'm sorry you feel that way, but you're wrong.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.24  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.23    4 weeks ago

No, you're not.  I'm correct, you are wrong.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3    4 weeks ago
The idea was so new, it hadn't had a chance to be tested.

The Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense had been in place since late 2014. What evidence do you have that it had not been tested? 

Based on the WHO website, from 2014-2018 there were a dozen disease outbreaks every month, many that required international cooperation. 

Here is one of the most recent Ebola outbreaks that was coordinated by that team:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/trump-administration-supports-response-ebola-outbreak-congo/

BTW, until early 2019, Trump was touting the work of Global Health Security and Biodefense. There are multiple WH reports about the necessity for their 'government wide response. Here is the first one signed by Trump:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/NSS-Final-12-18-2017-0905.pdf

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @3.2    4 weeks ago
Here is one of the most recent Ebola outbreaks that was coordinated by that team:

I’m not sure I see the connection. From what I’m reading, this move that Trump made happened in April 2018 , which was a month before this Ebola response was happening. So if we could respond to that without those allegedly critical people, maybe they were superfluous after all. On the other hand, I’m not sure it’s fair to compare the circumstances of that outbreak to the Coronavirus. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.1    4 weeks ago
I’m not sure I see the connection. From what I’m reading, this move that Trump made happened in April 2018 , which was a month before this Ebola response was happening.

So is it your posit is that their planning and strategy disappeared in thin air the moment that Trump disbanded to directorate? 

Oh and BTW, Trump was STILL 'trumpeting' their planning and strategy in his 2018 and 2019 report. 

So if we could respond to that without those allegedly critical people, maybe they were superfluous after all. 

It's not about 'critical people', it's about critical infrastructure and international/inter-agency relationships. 

On the other hand, I’m not sure it’s fair to compare the circumstances of that outbreak to the Coronavirus. 

I didn't compare the circumstances. I cited it because you insisted without evidence that the 'idea' had not been tested. You can go to the WHO website for over 100 possible examples. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @3.2.2    4 weeks ago

Back in the day when Ronny Jackson was an up and coming Navy doc in Bethesda, his nick name was 'bunny',

because he was always so loyal, fluffy and a major butt kisser.  Tonight on Fox news he cemented that reputation by lauding the President and saying that President Trump saved untold lives by example of his leadership on the virus "issue" from "day one".

I know it wasn't north Korean news because it was Fox and he was being questioned by Hannity in English.

/s

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.4  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.3    4 weeks ago

I'm so thankful that my family doesn't listen to the Faux News bullshit. I can't imagine trying to talk down a family member from stockpiling a years supply of toilet paper.  Nor can I imagine talking a family member down from trying to contract the virus just because they think it will make liberals cry. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @3.2.2    4 weeks ago
So is it your posit

No, I am not positing (who talks like that?) anything. I am responding to the claim that changes at the White House had an "enormous impact on our response" to the outbreak. I am not arguing for against the claim. I am only asking for support for the claim so that I can assess whether or not the claim has merit. So far, I have not seen the details I have asked for.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.5    4 weeks ago
No, I am not positing (who talks like that?) anything.

I do. Issue? 

I am rPeople esponding to the claim that changes at the White House had an "enormous impact on our response" to the outbreak.

I'm responding to YOUR claim that the changes by the WH had NO impact. 

I am not arguing for against the claim.

So when you say ' I'm not sure I see' something, you're now claiming that isn't an argument. Hilarious. 

I am only asking for support for the claim so that I can assess whether or not the claim has merit. So far, I have not seen the details I have asked for.

The issue between you and I is whether YOU can support the POSIT that there was NO impact at all. You insist that it can't be proven that dissolving had any impact and I insist that you can't was NO impact. Please proceed. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.7  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @3.2.6    4 weeks ago
So when you say ' I'm not sure I see' something, you're now claiming that isn't an argument.

Correct. "I am not sure" is a pretty clear indication that I am still trying to formulate an opinion. Is this really the conversation you came here to have?

The issue between you and I is whether YOU can support the POSIT that there was NO impact at all. You insist that it can't be proven that dissolving had any impact and I insist that you can't was NO impact. Please proceed.

Sorry, but you're having an argument with yourself. The things you are claiming are simply not true. I'm not going to have an argument over something I don't believe. If you want to address what I was really interested in, great, but it looks like you want to have some other argument that has nothing to do with me. Peace.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.2.8  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.5    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.9  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.7    4 weeks ago
Correct. "I am not sure" is a pretty clear indication that I am still trying to formulate an opinion. 

That's false. You expressed an unequivocal opinion in this comment:

The idea was so new, it hadn't had a chance to be tested.

Yet still haven't supported it with anything while in contrast, I provided links that refute your opinion. 

Is this really the conversation you came here to have?

I'm addressing your comments. You pretend to be 'formulating and opinion' and I am giving you FACTS for you to reach that goal. 

Sorry, but you're having an argument with yourself.

Nope. I'm not having an argument with anyone. 

The things you are claiming are simply not true.

What claim that I have made isn't true? 

I'm not going to have an argument over something I don't believe.

Again, I'm not arguing with you. I am refuting your posit. What you 'believe' is irrelevant unless and until you can support it with facts. 

If you want to address what I was really interested in, great, but it looks like you want to have some other argument that has nothing to do with me.

Again, I am addressing YOUR posit. I have submitted evidence, you have not. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @3.2.9    4 weeks ago

Ok have a nice day

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.5    4 weeks ago

Oh and BTFW, are you aware that Trump has closed the COVID-19 task force meetings to anyone that doesn't have security clearance? 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive-idUSKBN20Y2LM

That means many of the Medical and Government experts are left without a seat at the table. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.12  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @3.2.11    4 weeks ago

Fascinating.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.2.11    4 weeks ago

I wouldn't want just anyone either with the rash of "leaks" that have come out. I am sure the higher level heads are briefing the others about the meetings and, unless I miss my guess, those without clearance are expressing their concerns/points to those who ARE in the meetings and are having their voices heard. This isn't some damned storm warning. As shown in the media so far, supposition and fear rules the day and keeping that bullshit out is to the administration's advantage at this stage of the game. Look at all the second guessing not only here, but in the media about the handling that they have no clue about.

 
 
 
loki12
3.2.14  loki12  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.13    4 weeks ago

Come on Jim, everyone knows that douchebag Vindman is trustworthy and should be included. Without him CNN has to make everything up.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.13    4 weeks ago
I am sure the higher level heads are briefing the others about the meetings 

Then the 'higher level heads' are violating classified information laws and regulations. 

The fact is, many of the people involved in the repatriation of the cruise ship in Oakland were informed about the operation and were told that it was classified. That included, the Mayor of Oakland, City counsel members, LEOs, Medical Centers, Oakland Port authority employees and who knows how many State of CA employees.

Nothing was 'leaked'.

If there are leaks in the WH, that sounds like an issue with Trump's hiring practices. 

This isn't some damned storm warning. As shown in the media so far, supposition and fear rules the day and keeping that bullshit out is to the administration's advantage at this stage of the game.

The biggest source of 'supposition' is Trump. He's been lying about this outbreak from the get go and he's lying about his own reaction to the break out. 

Hell Trump is STILL correcting the bullshit that he spewed last night. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.2.15    4 weeks ago
Then the 'higher level heads' are violating classified information laws and regulations. 

[Deleted] I am sure they are being told what they need to know Reader's Digest version. 

The fact is, many of the people involved in the repatriation of the cruise ship in Oakland were informed about the operation and were told that it was classified. That included, the Mayor of Oakland, City counsel members, LEOs, Medical Centers, Oakland Port authority employees and who knows how many State of CA employees. Nothing was leaked.

BFD. That information was on a need to know basis I am sure and the people involved NEEDED to know as it affected their daily operations and functions/communities. And why in the hell would they feel the need to leak anything. There was a lot of prep work that needed to be done and something WAS being done. Who would it benefit, except the administration as it showed a great cooperation Feds to State/local. SMMFH

The biggest source of 'supposition' is Trump. He's been lying about this outbreak from the get go and he's lying about his own reaction to the break out. 

What do you want him to do? Tell people to make sure to fulfill their bucket list cuz we're all gonna die?

I am sure there have been several administrations throughout our history that hid things until solve under the guise of "the public good". 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.17  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.16    4 weeks ago
I am sure they are being told what they need to know Reader's Digest version. 

Even THAT version needs to be declassified. 

BFD.

It is when one insists that shit needs to be classified because of leaks. There are a lot of people on that list that have no federal security clearance. 

That information was on a need to know basis I am sure and the people involved NEEDED to know as it affected their daily operations and functions/communities. 

Yes and again, no leaks. See how trusting the right people can ensure no leaks? 

What do you want him to do?

STOP LYING. 

Tell people to make sure to fulfill their bucket list cuz we're all gonna die?

Since that would be lying, NO. 

I am sure there have been several administrations throughout our history that hid things until solve under the guise of "the public good". 

The only thing that Trump is trying to hid is his own incompetence. Of course it's impossible because the market is on fire and officials with integrity are refusing to shovel Trump's bullshit. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
4  Larry Hampton    4 weeks ago

you can never really think is going to happen. You know, who -- I've heard all about, 'This could be...' -- you know, 'This could be a big deal,' from before it happened. You know, this -- something like this could happen.... Who would have thought?

I'll tell ya who woulda thought...a pandemic response team! Rump is a moron-in-chief.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1  katrix  replied to  Larry Hampton @4    4 weeks ago

Well, Trump claimed nobody knew that the flu killed people - because he didn't know despite his grandfather having died of it.

A president who has no clue why it is important to be prepared for a pandemic. Everyone with a brain thought it could happen.

What a total imbecile.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @4.1    4 weeks ago

Someone asked me what relevance a pandemic preparedness team had to do with this possible pandemic and what the big whoop was about tRump disbanding the pandemic response team.

DUH!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Larry Hampton @4    4 weeks ago
Rump is a moron-in-chief.

That's ok....   regardless of your emotions, he's still your "moron-in-chief".  If you think YOU can do better, get your ass elected to the position.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.2.1  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @4.2    4 weeks ago
get your ass elected to the position.

But I don't know any Russians that have blackmail on me and/or are willing to spend billions on spreading lies (for decades) about my opponent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

Freaking hilarious.  The tRump's connection to the Russians go back about 30 years.  

 
 
 
WallyW
4.3  WallyW  replied to  Larry Hampton @4    4 weeks ago

What would they do or be doing differently? In what time frame?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5  Paula Bartholomew    4 weeks ago

He can't explain it because he is academically challenged.  What I want him to explain is why he hasn't been tested as he was at a meeting where a participant tested positive.  Even though he was not in close proximity of that person, he has now been exposed.  God help him if the CV lands in the WH because he won't get tested.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5    4 weeks ago
What I want him to explain is why he hasn't been tested as he was at a meeting where a participant tested positive. 

Because the WH physician told him it was unnecessary.  And CNN, much to their consternation, had on not one, but two doctors who also noted there was NO REASON to do a test as there are and were no symptoms.  See how easy that is?

PS:  He doesn't owe YOU an explanation for anything.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1    4 weeks ago

And the now White Trash House physician said tRump was in better health than he was.

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XDm9mm
5.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    4 weeks ago
And the now White Trash House physician said tRump was in better health than he was.

Is there a point you're attempting to make?

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

How much was he paid to say that?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.3    4 weeks ago
How much was he paid to say that?

If you're referring to the White House physician, whatever the salary of the White house physician is as set by the federal government.  If you want more information, do a search and find the exact amount yourself.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.5  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.4    4 weeks ago

How much was he paid to lie?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    4 weeks ago
How much was he paid to lie?

Defamatory. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.7  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

Truth is not defamatory 

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  seeder  Tessylo    4 weeks ago

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