Biden Unveils Vast LGBT Plan Overturning Trump's Religious Liberty Protections

  
Via:  heartland-american  •  3 months ago  •  111 comments

By:   Michael Foust

Biden Unveils Vast LGBT Plan Overturning Trump's Religious Liberty Protections
pledging to overturn Trump-era religious liberty policies if he becomes president and promoting passage of the Equality Act – a bill opposed by some gay and lesbian Americans because of its negative impact on women’s sports. Biden’s 7,000-word plan would also ban conversion therapy, guarantee transgender students access to bathrooms and locker rooms of their choosing, and add a “third gender” option on government forms for non-binary individuals. The plan lists the accomplishments of the...

This is terrible.  Biden plans to strip the religious liberty protections of millions of Americans and sacrifice them on the alter of PC LGBTQ appeasement and revenge.  Biden wants to put evangelical Christians in the closet and only let us out to cater their ceremonies that are sinful


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Former Vice President Joe Biden unveiled a sweeping plan for the LGBT community last week, pledging to overturn Trump-era religious liberty policies if he becomes president and promoting passage of the Equality Act – a bill opposed by some gay and lesbian Americans because of its negative impact on women’s sports. 

Biden’s  7,000-word plan  would also ban conversion therapy, guarantee transgender students access to bathrooms and locker rooms of their choosing, and add a “third gender” option on government forms for non-binary individuals.

The plan lists the accomplishments of the Obama-Biden administration for the LGBT community, such as ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and promoting the legalization of same-sex marriage. 

“But this fight’s not over,” the plan says.

The Biden plan pledges to overturn a  2019 Trump religious liberty proposal  that would allow faith-based adoption and foster care agencies to receive federal grants if they don’t place children in same-sex homes. The Trump proposal would reverse an Obama-era rule that prevented federal grants from going to any entity that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. Alliance Defending Freedom senior counsel Zack Pruitt said last year the new Trump rule would end discrimination “against faith-based providers simply because of their beliefs about marriage.”

“As President, Biden will repeal the rule, if implemented,” the Biden plan says.

The Biden plan also pledges support for the Equality Act, which would amend federal laws to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in public accommodations and facilities, education, federal funding, employment, housing, credit and the jury system.  Some supporters of the Equality Act have warned women’s sports are in danger if it’s not amended. Doriane Coleman, Martina Navratilova and Sanya Richards-Ross wrote a Washington Post editorial saying the act “would make it unlawful to differentiate among girls and women in sports on the basis of sex for any purpose.”

The Biden plan also pledges to:

  • Guarantee that “transgender students have access to facilities based on their gender identity.”

“On his first day in office,” the plan says, “Biden will reinstate the Obama-Biden guidance revoked by the Trump-Pence Administration, which will restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity.”

  • Ban conversion therapy.

“Hundreds of thousands of LGBTQ+ individuals have been subjected to so-called ‘conversion therapy’ during their lifetime, which Biden knows is deeply harmful, highly unscientific, and often leads to trauma.”

  • Ensure transgender individuals have access to identification documents that reflect their gender identity. 

“Biden believes every transgender or non-binary person should have the option of changing their gender marker to ‘M,’ ‘F,’ or ‘X’ on government identifications, passports, and other documentation,” the plan says. “He will support state and federal efforts to allow for this accurate representation.”


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Heartland American
1  seeder  Heartland American    3 months ago

Biden’s   7,000-word plan   would also ban conversion therapy, guarantee transgender students access to bathrooms and locker rooms of their choosing, and add a “third gender” option on government forms for non-binary individuals.

The plan lists the accomplishments of the Obama-Biden administration for the LGBT community, such as ending Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and promoting the legalization of same-sex marriage. 

“But this fight’s not over,” the plan says.

The Biden plan pledges to overturn a  2019 Trump religious liberty proposal  that would allow faith-based adoption and foster care agencies to receive federal grants if they don’t place children in same-sex homes. The Trump proposal would reverse an Obama-era rule that prevented federal grants from going to any entity that discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. Alliance Defending Freedom senior counsel Zack Pruitt said last year the new Trump rule would end discrimination “against faith-based providers simply because of their beliefs about marriage.”

“As President, Biden will repeal the rule, if implemented,” the Biden plan says.  https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49722/biden-unveils-vast-lgbt-plan-overturning-trumps-religious-liberty-protections

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Heartland American @1    3 months ago

Now we are starting to see how the left wing whack doodles are going to play puppet masters.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Heartland American @1    3 months ago

Religious liberty has all the protections it needs.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @1.2    3 months ago

No it does not. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.1    3 months ago

YES IT DOES.

 
 
 
CB
1.2.3  CB   replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    3 months ago

As a Christian, I am finally mentally positioned to CONSIDER some action taken against churches and religious organizations which interfere with politics involving the lives of millions of un-churched affiliated people.  It is time for the Christian churches to get back to their true mission of love, peace, and salvation. Leave those people alone!

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.4  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    3 months ago

Even if you were right, Biden wants to take away what currently exists.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @1.2.3    3 months ago

when will the LGBT leave us alone and not coerce people into participating in what to them is a sinful ceremony?  Why should some have to choose between their business or their conscience? 

 
 
 
CB
1.2.6  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.2.5    3 months ago

Are you kidding me? Tell me you are kidding me? Conservative businesses are a part of the whole community, not wholly unto itself. Moreover, when are conservatives going to stop trying to persuade LGBTQ youth to stop ignoring their nature? Right-wing evangelicals can not make anybody who is LGBTQ heterosexual. What is done in "conservative-land" is to make these youths and their adult counterparts disappear into the culture so as conservatives can claim faux "conversions."

That delusion lost big-time when homosexuals persisted at Stonewall in New York. Persisted in same-sex marriage across the country. Persisted in military service across the board.

And here are conservatives AGAIN, messing with LGBTQ people, as though your rights and privileges in society depend on them being outcast, banned, or hidden from public view. Of all the selfish, unChristian, conduct one can sell one self on.

I don't think you really want to start with me on this topic, Donald J. Trump Fan; I have some strong views and you make have to walk away when I begin virtue signaling.

 
 
 
CB
1.2.7  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.2.5    3 months ago

Victim-hood? When has conservative right-wing evangelical seeking of dominance in this culture occasioned its members being outcast, slapped, brutalized, rejected, or marginalized? Victim-hood? Look at yourselves right-wing evangelicals you have amassed power, wealth, and influence inside the Republican Party and yet you cry "foul" because you can't "bend the knees" of LGBTQ and secularists!

I will not extend victim status to right-wing evangelicals - find your your lane and adhere to it. That way Jesus will find you all being studious upon his return!

And one more thing! It it high-time I call conservative right-wing evangelicals out for the untrue statement that its efforts and activities are not designed and strategized to takeover and turn this country we all share in into a theocracy, in spirit, and possibly in name too. Jesus hates repeat untruth purveyors!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.5    3 months ago
when will the LGBT leave us alone and not coerce people into participating in what to them is a sinful ceremony?  

So in your world, the act of two people pledging love, fidelity and commitment to each other is a sinful ceremony? That's a sad world and you're welcome to it. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.9  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.1    3 months ago
No it does not.

Yes, it does! Everyone is free to believe, worship, or practice however they want. That 1st Amendment has not been revoked.

Biden wants to take away what currently exists.

That's quite an accusation. Prove it!

when will the LGBT leave us alone and not coerce people into participating in what to them is a sinful ceremony?

No one is forcing you to do anything.

 Why should some have to choose between their business or their conscience? 

Maybe they're in the wrong business then?

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.10  katrix  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.4    3 months ago
Even if you were right, Biden wants to take away what currently exists.

Awww, here you are whining because you're afraid you won't be able to persecute and discriminate against others.

What a terrible, hateful attitude. The exact opposite of what Jesus would want.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.12  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @1.2.8    2 months ago

it is a sinful ceremony and immoral lifestyle and yes I’m welcome to have and express that belief.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.13  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @1.2.9    2 months ago

No such thing.  People do what they do best.  People shouldn’t have to check their values and morals at the door to engage in their ideal chosen profession.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.2.14  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.13    2 months ago
No such thing.  

Sure there is.

 People shouldn’t have to check their values and morals at the door to engage in their ideal chosen profession.  

Like I said, thy're in the wrong profession then. While religious freedom might be a right, owning or operating a business is not.

it is a sinful ceremony and immoral lifestyle and yes I’m welcome to have and express that belief.  

Just as we are welcome to express that your belief is bigoted and wrong!

 
 
 
CB
1.2.15  CB   replied to  Heartland American @1.2.12    2 months ago

Please the prosperity gospel ("name it and claim it") is a sinful lifestyle outright. Hustling (and hassling) saints for dollars under the guise of creating a God space and culture for them is a scam. Yet, here the fundamental churches are!

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @1.2.12    2 months ago
it is a sinful ceremony and immoral lifestyle and yes I’m welcome to have and express that belief. 

So you've set yourself up as the Judge of what is sinful and immoral without humility.

How 'Christian' of you. 

NOT.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  katrix @1.2.10    2 months ago

Ten to one, a  TG person has used a public bathroom at the same time and DJTF never even realized it.

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.2.18  Freefaller  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.17    2 months ago
TG person has used a public bathroom at the same time and DJTF never even realized it.

Well possibly not as the public toilet in the result of toilet evolution and as he doesn't believe in evolution he may not believe in public toilets.  It's a global conspiracy of plumbers ya know.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2  seeder  Heartland American    3 months ago

This is really and truly terrible.  Biden plans to strip the religious liberty protections of millions of Americans and sacrifice all our current rights upon the alter of PC LGBTQ appeasement and revenge.  Biden really wants to put most evangelical Christians in the closet and only let us out to cater their various ceremonies that we know are sinful according to all that we believe.  We believe all that the Bible says about any and all sex outside of a one man one woman husband and wife relationship, the only kind of marriage that is legitimate.  

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1  devangelical  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago
Biden really wants to put most evangelical Christians in the closet

a sizeable percentage of them should feel right at home. care to see some examples?

 
 
 
lady in black
2.2  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago
We believe all that the Bible says about any and all sex outside of a one man one woman husband and wife relationship, the only kind of marriage that is legitimate. 

You can believe this all day long, but it won't change the fact that gay marriage is the law of the land.  

 
 
 
evilgenius
2.2.1  evilgenius  replied to  lady in black @2.2    3 months ago
We believe all that the Bible says about any and all sex outside of a one man one woman husband and wife relationship, the only kind of marriage that is legitimate. 

Well that would make the Adulter-er in Chief Trump a no go, but this article is just the same hyperpartisian hypocrisy bullshit we get everyday here at NT from the alt-right.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @2.2    3 months ago

There are times the law of the land and Gods law come into conflict.  We are to follow God in said circumstances.  

 
 
 
lady in black
2.2.3  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.2    3 months ago

Nope, we are to follow the law of the land.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.4  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.1    3 months ago

There is no alt right here on NewsTalkers. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  lady in black @2.2.3    3 months ago

You can make that choice.  I will obey God each and every time there is a conflict between man made government laws and Gods law. Just like when Daniel prayed to God even though it was against the law to pray to any but the king, or when years earlier his friends refused to worship the kings statue of gold.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.2.6  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.2    3 months ago
There are times the law of the land and Gods law come into conflict.  We are to follow God in said circumstances.  

Too bad for you god does not make nor have any say in our secular laws. 

 
 
 
devangelical
2.2.7  devangelical  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.6    3 months ago

... he's not a US citizen or a registered voter, so he has no say in our secular gov't.

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.2.8  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @2.2.7    3 months ago

That too.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.2.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  devangelical @2.2.7    3 months ago
he's not a US citizen or a registered voter, so he has no say in our secular gov't.

If Jesus showed up today in any Red State, he'd be immediately arrested and put in a cage awaiting deportation. If he was on the streets trying to preach most of the locals would be shouting at him "Speak English you dirty homeless immigrant!".

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.10  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  evilgenius @2.2.1    2 months ago

If he were still engaging in such behavior it would be a problem.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.11  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.6    2 months ago

But we who believe in Him are permitted by God expected in fact to engage in civil disobedience when men create laws in opposition to His. There may be civil penalties for doing so but by paying them and staying true to God, we are witnessing for Him to the world.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.12  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  devangelical @2.2.7    2 months ago

But we His believers are citizens and do have a say in our secular government.  Even if our domestic political acts are motivated by our religious beliefs

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.13  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.12    2 months ago
But we His believers are citizens and do have a say in our secular government.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

Yes you do have a say, just like everyone else, but you may want to read the actual text above first. 

My guess is that like many on the right, you have disdain for the LGBT community and are mad that they now have the same rights as you do. Saying that equality is somehow oppressive is more of a YOU problem. None of your religious rights are being removed. The religious right just wants to be able to use religion as a way to discriminate against people they do not agree with and....not going to happen. Personally, I think they have too many rights as it is, it should be illegal for religious folks to bang on my door any time they want to. 

You are 100% free to worship however you like, but religious freedom stop where someone else's civil rights begin. That's not just a saying, that's the law. 

 
 
 
CB
2.2.14  CB   replied to  Heartland American @2.2.10    2 months ago

The reasons for fundamentalist churches giving Trump its stamp of approval is a problem. Desperately, wanting some one to flaunt the laws of the land; dismiss whole swaths of our society without proper cause, fire people and vindictively leave them hungry with wife and kids, and to lie and compromise the safety of the whole union to medical disasters is a gigantic problem.

Trump has not changed. As you often tell us: 'Trump is just what right-wing fundamentals wanted for forty years running!' Thus, fundamental Christians have not changed either. Both sides: same sides.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.11    2 months ago
But we who believe in Him are permitted by God expected in fact to engage in civil disobedience when men create laws in opposition to His. There may be civil penalties for doing so but by paying them and staying true to God, we are witnessing for Him to the world.  

So I presume that you spend your days in the halls of the Redding Courthouse 'engaging in civil disobedience' after each and every divorce that wasn't based on infidelity. It must keep your busy and paying a lot of bail...

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.10    2 months ago
If he were still engaging in such behavior it would be a problem.  

He has divorced, TWICE, neither time for the ONLY reason allowed in the bible. Therefore, he IS an adulterer, present tense. He has committed adultery with too many women to count. 

Trump has stated clearly that he has NEVER asked for forgiveness and therefore NEVER repented for his all too numerous 'sins'. 

So just fess up. You support Trump even though he is an unrepentant sinner. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.17  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.2.16    2 months ago

We are all sinners.  Hillary was not a better choice and neither is Bernie or Joe.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.2.18  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.17    2 months ago
We are all sinners.  

Yet it's ALL about repentance right Xx? 

Hillary was not a better choice and neither is Bernie or Joe.  

Your deflecting Xx. You said Trump being an adulterer is a problem but now it seems that it's too SMALL of a problem to keep you from singing his praise. This even though the law against adultery is one of the 10 commandments. 

You're pretty fucking quick to pass judgment on same sex couples but give Trump a pass. WHY?

Please tell me how that isn't the exact kind of hypocrisy that Jesus preached against? 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago
Biden really wants to put most evangelical Christians in the closet and only let us out to cater their various ceremonies that we know are sinful according to all that we believe.

Bullshit. 

Faux Christians want the ability to discriminate against LGBT, and not for religious reasons.  When Christians start discriminating against divorced people, we can talk about them following their religious beliefs.

Jesus never said anything against gay people, but he did speak against divorce.

Matthew 5:32- But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the. marriage is unlawful) causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
 
 
 
Dulay
2.4  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago

So what? Trump plans to or HAS stripped the civil liberty of millions of Americans. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.4    3 months ago

What Americans lost rights under Trump?  None.  Trump restores Americans rights and preserves them.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.2  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.1    3 months ago
What Americans lost rights under Trump?  None.  Trump restores Americans rights and preserves them.

I'm not talking about 'rights' and neither have you Xx. You cited 'liberty' and so did I. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.3  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.4.2    3 months ago

Did you or your side lose liberty when Hillary lost?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.4.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.4    3 months ago

EXACTLY what rights were stripped when Trump took office. 

BE SPECIFIC.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.5  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.4.4    3 months ago

Reversed the DOD policy on Transgender service in the military. 

Eliminated DOE rules protecting Transgender students. 

Removed the LGBT community from 'preferred class' for SBA loans. 

As we speak, Trump's DOJ is in court trying to deny the LGBT community equal protections and the GOP is trying to pass legislation that will allow adoption agencies to discriminate against the LGBT community. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.6  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.3    3 months ago

Americans did indeed lose liberty when Trump was inaugurated and you have cheered every time. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.4.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.4.5    3 months ago
Reversed the DOD policy on Transgender service in the military. 

Eliminated DOE rules protecting Transgender students. 

Removed the LGBT community from 'preferred class' for SBA loans. 

As we speak, Trump's DOJ is in court trying to deny the LGBT community equal protections and the GOP is trying to pass legislation that will allow adoption agencies to discriminate against the LGBT community.

So you are more upset that somebody is losing a "protected status" than any actual rights.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.4.8  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.4.6    3 months ago
Americans did indeed lose liberty when Trump was inaugurated and you have cheered every time.

What exact liberty did Americans lose because of an inaugural of a President?

Can you be slightly specific?

I damn sure haven't lost any liberties!

Which liberty did you lose?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.9  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.4.7    3 months ago
So you are more upset that somebody is losing a "protected status" than any actual rights.  

That's pretty fucking funny when the seed is about religious liberty which is a "protected status". 

Oh and BTFW, with 'protected status' come equal protection of the law, which is an 'actual right'. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.10  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.8    3 months ago

READ the seed Tex. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.4.11  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.4.10    3 months ago
READ the seed Tex. 

I did.

That is a spectacularly unresponsive reply.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.12  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.11    3 months ago
I did.

READ MORE CAREFULLY. 

Ask Jeremy to help. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.13  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Texan1211 @2.4.11    3 months ago

They think having the government pay for sex change operations and for men to play sports against women pretending to be one and going into girls and women’s bathrooms and locker rooms as guys are all rights.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.4.14  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.4.12    3 months ago
READ MORE CAREFULLY. 

I did. Not to worry!

Still can't answer the simplest of questions, I see.

What liberties did Americans lose when Trump was inaugurated--as you claimed?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.4.15  gooseisgone  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.13    3 months ago

Here's Biden's plan: Guaranteeing transgender students have access to facilities based on their gender identity. Restore transgender students’ access to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms in accordance with their gender identity.

The transgender students rights are more important to Democrats than the rest of the population. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.4.16  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @2.4.9    3 months ago
That's pretty fucking funny when the seed is about religious liberty which is a "protected status". 

Then why mention special groups that have nothing to do with religion?

Oh and BTFW, with 'protected status' come equal protection of the law, which is an 'actual right'.

I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.17  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.4.16    3 months ago
Then why mention special groups that have nothing to do with religion?

WHOOOOSH! Right over your head. 

I'd agree with you but then we'd both be wrong.

Really Jeremy?

There's these thingys called the Constitution and the 14th Amendment to the Constitution which includes 'equal protection of the laws'. That there is an ACTUAL right. 

There's also the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Amended in 1988 that includes protected classes, one of which is religion. 

So not only is there a right to equal protection of the laws in the Constitution, there is also a law that ensures that protected classes enjoy those protections of the 14th Amendment, and the rest of the Constitution, without discrimination. 

In short, you are the only one that's wrong. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.18  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.4.9    2 months ago

Religious liberty and freedom of religion are foundational original rights granted by God and included in the 1st amendment to the constitution.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.4.19  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.18    2 months ago
Religious liberty and freedom of religion are foundational original rights granted by God and included in the 1st amendment to the constitution.  

God has nothing to do with our constitution. Neither is god mentioned anywhere in the constitution.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.20  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @2.4.19    2 months ago

at the very end He is mentioned.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.4.21  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.20    2 months ago

Where? Cite it!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.22  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.18    2 months ago
Religious liberty and freedom of religion are foundational original rights granted by God and included in the 1st amendment to the constitution.  

So WTF are you whining about? You JUST stated that your religious liberty and freedom are God given and protected by the Constitution. WTF MORE do you want? 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.23  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Gordy327 @2.4.21    2 months ago
  

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the SeventeenthDay of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.4.24  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.4.22    2 months ago

We want those constitutional rights protected.

 
 
 
lady in black
2.4.25  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.24    2 months ago

They are protected, you haven't lost any rights

You can pray, you can go to church, you can believe in whatever god you want to believe in

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.4.26  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.23    2 months ago

You do realize that is just the system of dating commonly used in colonial times, right? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.4.27  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.24    2 months ago
We want those constitutional rights protected.

As Lady said, you have those rights and they are protected. You certainly haven't lost any and I defy you to prove otherwise!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.28  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.24    2 months ago
We want those constitutional rights protected.

They already ARE Xx.

It seems that what YOU want is extra special super duper protection while the rest of us only enjoy the 'garden variety' protections and others enjoy NONE AT ALL. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.29  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.4.23    2 months ago

That is merely a reference to the Gregorian calendar Xx. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.4.30  Gordy327  replied to  Dulay @2.4.29    2 months ago

Someone actually told me once that the date reference in the Constitution was proof that the Constitution is based on god and therefore meant the Constitution is a religious based document which favors christians only. You can tell whenever someone references the dating method as proof of religious intention that they are generally clueless about the Constitution or the intentions of the Founding Fathers.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.31  Dulay  replied to  Gordy327 @2.4.30    2 months ago

I find it ironic that after scouring the Constitution, all they can come up with is a date reference. The desperation is palpable. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.4.32  Gordy327  replied to  Dulay @2.4.31    2 months ago
I find it ironic that after scouring the Constitution, all they can come up with is a date reference. The desperation is palpable. 

Maybe because they are desperate? After all, they neither have nor can find anything else.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago

Didn't Jesus tell y'all to pray in your closet? 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.5.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.5    3 months ago

It depends on the motive of the one praying.  Praying is not to be used to build up oneself in front of others with their peers. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5.2  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.5.1    3 months ago
It depends on the motive of the one praying.  

Where did Jesus say anything about it depending on 'motive' Xx? Chapter and verse please. 

I expect silence after this...

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.5.3  Freefaller  replied to  Dulay @2.5.2    3 months ago
Where did Jesus say anything about it depending on 'motive' Xx?

Lol you must know by now that he pretends to know gods mind and is his mouthpiece

 
 
 
katrix
2.5.4  katrix  replied to  Freefaller @2.5.3    3 months ago

The funniest thing is that according to the bible, that condemns him to hell. Jesus will not know false prophets.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.5.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Heartland American @2.5.1    3 months ago
It depends on the motive of the one praying.

Really?  What novella of the bible are these stipulations listed?  

Praying is not to be used to build up oneself in front of others with their peers. 

But yet it's used in exactly that fashion constantly.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.5.6  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Freefaller @2.5.3    2 months ago

When he compared the public prayer of the Pharisee and the publican in the temple.  What they prayed for and the motivation of the prayer by each is the issue.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.5.7  Freefaller  replied to  Heartland American @2.5.6    2 months ago

LMAO, god you're so predictable

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5.8  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.5.6    2 months ago
What they prayed for and the motivation of the prayer by each is the issue.  

Chapter and verse Xx. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.5.9  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Freefaller @2.5.7    2 months ago

in other words you have nothing to refute what I said.   

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.5.10  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.5.8    2 months ago

See 2.5.6

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.5.11  Freefaller  replied to  Heartland American @2.5.9    2 months ago
in other words you have nothing to refute what I said.

Not in other words, in your words.  Your words which were an utterly predictable deflection of my original post

Thanks for giving me my chuckle of the day.  You're really gonna have to up your game if you want anyone to take you seriously 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5.12  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.5.10    2 months ago
See 2.5.6

Since you didn't answer my question about the comment before, why should I go back and read it again?

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5.13  Dulay  replied to  Freefaller @2.5.11    2 months ago
You're really gonna have to up your game if you want anyone to take you seriously 

It's far too late for that. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.5.14  Freefaller  replied to  Dulay @2.5.13    2 months ago
It's far too late for that. 

Lol I'm an optimist

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.6  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago

"We believe all that the Bible says about any and all sex outside of a one man one woman husband and wife relationship, the only kind of marriage that is legitimate. "

So do you also believe what the bible says about sex outside of marriage?  Women being virgins when they marry? 

Obviously you cherry pick what you believe out of the bible or you would be calling for the slaughter on those who have taken part in what I mention.

 
 
 
katrix
2.6.1  katrix  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.6    3 months ago

I swear, in their emotional attachment to their persecution complexes, you'd think they were being forced to marry someone of the same sex, or that their churches were being forced to perform holy matrimony for gay couples.

Not one of them has ever managed to provide any example of how gay marriage impacts them in any away.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.6.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @2.6    3 months ago
Obviously you cherry pick what you believe out of the bible

Of course he does. How else could he constantly champion a serial adulterer who has cheated on all three of his wives, had affairs with several porn stars that by bible standards would be seen as whores, has been accused of sexual assault by more than two dozen women and in his own words admitted he doesn't "even wait" for consent and just starts kissing women he finds attractive and attempts to "grab them by the pussy" while also admitting he "moved" on an already married woman "like a bitch". For him to now attack Biden for attempting to protect lgtbq Americans rights by claiming "religious liberty" is beyond hypocritical.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.7  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2    3 months ago
We believe all that the Bible says about any and all sex outside of a one man one woman husband and wife relationship, the only kind of marriage that is legitimate.  

The bible is FULL of men with multiple wives and concubines Xx. There is NO 'one man, one woman'  mandate in the bible. Seriously, just STOP. 

Secondly, marriages between same sex couples are just as legitimate as marriages between opposite sex couples. What YOU think about it is irrelevant. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.7.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @2.7    2 months ago

Same sex marriages are not legitimate or moral or normal.  What you think about it is irrelevant. 

 
 
 
lady in black
2.7.2  lady in black  replied to  Heartland American @2.7.1    2 months ago

Same sex marriages are legitimate and the law of the land

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.7.3  Gordy327  replied to  Heartland American @2.7.1    2 months ago
  What you think about it is irrelevant.

Speak for yourself.

Same sex marriages are not legitimate or moral or normal.

Demonstrably and legally false. SSM is the law of the land now and just as valid and recognized as any other marriage. Get used to it!

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.7.4  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @2.7.1    2 months ago
Same sex marriages are not legitimate or moral or normal.

Actually, it's "holy matrimony" that isn't legitimate. You are confusing holy matrimony and LEGAL marriage. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.7.5  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @2.7.1    2 months ago
What you think about it is irrelevant. 

Get ahold of Kim Davis, let her explain it to you. 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.7.6  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @2.7.1    2 months ago

You obviously don't have a fucking clue about what 'legitimate' actually MEANS.

Here, let me help:

legitimate:

conforming to the law or to rules

You're welcome. 

What you think about it is irrelevant. 

What I 'think' about it is just as relevant as what you 'think' about it Xx. 

What I KNOW about it is obviously MORE relevant since it's fact based. 

 
 
 
CB
3  CB     3 months ago

original   There you go again, . . . time to start up that big hunkin' culture war machine just in time for 2020 general elections!  Can some right-wing evangelicals be self less for a change? Inquiring minds want to know.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @3    2 months ago

Joe Biden is the one who is engaging the culture war with his particular initiative to attack the rights of people he doesn’t like.  He’s the one on the offensive against other people’s rights. 

 
 
 
CB
3.1.1  CB   replied to  Heartland American @3.1    2 months ago

That's full of it. No one in this country owes the fundamentalist church anything beyond the thresholds of its buildings. The fundamentalists are overstepping their role in our shared society. Religious freedom, specifically "fundies," has a place; it is time it got told (as often as necessary) to get back in it!

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  CB @3.1.1    2 months ago

Excuse me!  We are citizens too and will not be told by others to get in the closet because that’s where our political and religious opposition feels it is our place and they want us back in it

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Heartland American @3.1.2    2 months ago

Some would like to stifle any dissension.

Easier to control the masses that way!

 
 
 
CB
3.1.4  CB   replied to  Heartland American @3.1.2    2 months ago

EXCUSE YOU! Don't sell yourselves on being victims here. Victim-hood is unbecoming those who run mega-churches build on a foundation of the prosperity gospel. Fundamentalist churches still have their tax-free statuses, no? I'll answer that one—Yes! Yes! Yes!

Perhaps, it is time for a concerted effort to push all churches out of the tax-free "shelter" business, and then we shall get a real-time experience of just how long  mega-churches can be  profit-centers and political powerhouses, if they have to be about the business of scrounging for food, clothing, and places to lay their weary heads like the rest of the citizens for who you make life more stressful!

 
 
 
CB
3.1.5  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    2 months ago

*Yawn. New material will be nice. Please, try to explain to me if you can— if fundamentalist Christians think they are the proper children of God, why do you keep obsessing over what the liberal churches and secularists are doing?  Avert your gazes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  CB @3.1.5    2 months ago

I agre!

So, when will you be posting anything new or novel?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @3.1    2 months ago
Joe Biden is the one who is engaging the culture war with his particular initiative to attack the rights of people he doesn’t like.

Which is EXACTLY what trump has done since he took office. Pot, meet kettle. Also, this isn't taking any of your rights away, so not sure what your complaint is. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @3.1    2 months ago

What rights is Biden attacking Xx? Be SPECIFIC. 

 
 
 
CB
3.1.9  CB   replied to  MrFrost @3.1.7    2 months ago

Fundamentals and conservative radio "present" that they are the stewards of this great country, all of its wealth and success is because of them "founding" and directing the nation; thus, its theirs to control.

This is why the two groups above demonize their fellow citizens! No one complains when  "demons" are put down and under feet (control)! Greed dictates they be obeyed and propped up for their decisions, judgements, and "wisdom."

 
 
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