How Right-Wing Pundits Are Covering Coronavirus

  
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How Right-Wing Pundits Are Covering Coronavirus
Speaking on his Monday Fox News show, Tucker Carlson seemed to speak directly to skeptics like the president and Mr. Hannity, whose prime-time program follows his. “People you trust, people you probably voted for, have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem,” Mr. Carlson said, adding: “People you know will get sick, some may die. This is real.”

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How Right-Wing Pundits Are Covering Coronavirus

Conservative media stars aren’t worried. Neither is President Trump.


By Jeremy W. Peters and Michael M. Grynbaum
March 11, 2020
Updated 8:35 p.m. ET

Sean Hannity used his syndicated talk-radio program on Wednesday to share a prediction he had found on Twitter about what is really happening with the coronavirus: It’s a “fraud” by the deep state to spread panic in the populace, manipulate the economy and suppress dissent.

“May be true,” Mr. Hannity declared to millions of listeners around the country.

As the coronavirus spreads around the globe, denial and disinformation about the risks are proliferating on media outlets popular with conservatives.

“This coronavirus?” Rush Limbaugh asked skeptically during his Wednesday program, suggesting it was all a plot hatched by the Chinese. “Nothing like wiping out the entire U.S. economy with a biothreat from China, is there?” he said.

The Fox Business anchor Trish Regan told viewers on Monday that the worry over coronavirus “is yet another attempt to impeach the president.”

Where doctors and scientists see a public health crisis, President Trump and his media allies see a political coup afoot.

Distorted realities and discarded facts are now such a part of everyday life that the way they shape events like impeachment, a mass shooting or a presidential address often goes unmentioned.

But when partisan news meets a pandemic, the information silos where people shelter themselves can become not just deluded but also dangerous, according to those who criticize conservative commentators for shedding any semblance of objectivity when it comes to covering the president.

“This sort of media spin poses a clear and present danger to public health,” said Charlie Sykes, a longtime conservative host and author who published a book, “How the Right Lost Its Mind,” in 2018. “If you have people out there who feel all of this is overblown, and feel the need to act out their lack of concern by not taking precautions, it could be exceptionally dangerous.

“That’s not just a problem for the right wing, that becomes a real threat to the general population,” added Mr. Sykes, who is also a contributor to MSNBC. “When people start dying, the entertainment value wears off.”

In the case of Fox News viewers and talk radio listeners, who tend to be older than the general population, the danger of playing down the threat is potentially far worse. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has specifically identified older people as being at higher risk from serious complications if they contract the virus. The typical Fox News viewer is in his or her mid-60s, similar to CNN and MSNBC.

Despite Mr. Hannity’s own skeptical commentary, his Tuesday show featured Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as a guest. He told Mr. Hannity that he wanted to “make sure” viewers knew that the coronavirus “is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu — you got to make sure that people understand that.”

It was not difficult to see why Dr. Fauci would think Mr. Hannity’s roughly four million viewers — the biggest audience in cable news — might not understand. On Tuesday, the star anchor told his viewers, effectively, to relax.

“Sadly, these viruses pop up time to time,” Mr. Hannity said, with the certitude of a medical professional. “Pandemics happen, time to time.”

Mr. Limbaugh has offered clinical advice of his own. Recently he defended his widely criticized comparison of the coronavirus to the common cold and suggested the timing of the coverage of the outbreak raised “a gigantic series of question marks and red flags.”

And not all the prominent players in conservative opinion are denying the seriousness of the threat. Disagreement on the right has spilled into public view in a way that is unusual, given how swiftly dissent is often punished by Mr. Trump and his media loyalists.

“It’s a matter of public health. How can these shills face their followers after all the lies and deceit?” asked Michael Savage, the radio host and author who was one of Mr. Trump’s earliest supporters in conservative media and urged him to run for president in 2011.

“Are these mouthpieces without any social conscience?” added Mr. Savage, who called the words of Mr. Limbaugh and others “criminal negligence.”

Speaking on his Monday Fox News show, Tucker Carlson seemed to speak directly to skeptics like the president and Mr. Hannity, whose prime-time program follows his. “People you trust, people you probably voted for, have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem,” Mr. Carlson said, adding: “People you know will get sick, some may die. This is real.”

Mr. Trump pays close attention to Mr. Carlson’s show, and the two are in regular contact by phone. Earlier this year, the anchor was credited with helping persuade the president to dial back his hawkish approach on Iran — and Mr. Carlson’s words on the virus this week were interpreted as a message aimed at the White House.


There are also signs that political views affect how seriously someone takes the public health risk posed by the virus.

A Reuters poll last week found that roughly four in 10 Democrats believed the coronavirus was an imminent threat — but only two in 10 Republicans felt the same way. And Americans who approve of the way the president is handling his job are far more likely to believe that the government can stop a nationwide epidemic from occurring than those who disapprove, the poll said.

Seventy-nine percent of those who gave Mr. Trump high job approval ratings said they were very or somewhat confident in the government’s ability to prevent the outbreak from becoming much worse, compared with only 39 percent of those who disapprove of him, according to a CNN poll conducted last week.

At times, there has been a jarring split screen between the president’s nonchalance and the sober warnings of the nation’s top health officials, who have been more aggressive about warning certain vulnerable populations not to travel.

Asked on Wednesday at the White House what he had to say to those concerned he is not taking the situation seriously enough, Mr. Trump offered a tart, terse reply: “Fake news,” the president snapped, before dismissing reporters from the room.

The fallout from the president’s handling of the crisis might have been more easily dismissed as liberal, anti-Trump paranoia if not for an improbable twist of events. A person infected with the coronavirus attended one of the conservative world’s biggest annual gatherings last week, the Conservative Political Action Conference, leading some politicians like Senator Ted Cruz of Texas to voluntarily quarantine themselves.

Before this person’s status was made public — he was a V.I.P. attendee who purchased a $5,750 “gold” package that granted him access to backstage reception rooms where members of Congress and other high-profile figures mingled — conservatives at the conference were accusing the president’s enemies of inflating the seriousness of the outbreak.

The former White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, speaking from the conference stage last Friday, insisted falsely that the media had only just started paying attention to the coronavirus after the impeachment trial ended. And the reason, he added, was “they think this is going to be what brings down the president.”

But over the next few days, CPAC’s organizers were pelted with questions from fellow conservatives, some of whom said they shook the infected guest’s hand, about why they had been left in the dark.

Suddenly the “hoax,” as Mr. Hannity and others have called the response to the virus, hit home.

Raheem Kassam, a former Breitbart News editor, was one of several conservative activists who attended CPAC and expressed frustration about how the group handled the incident. Mr. Kassam, who said he felt sick over the weekend and on social media chronicled his frustrated attempts to obtain a coronavirus test, knew that he might have been exposed only after someone who works in the office of a member of Congress who was also exposed contacted him.

“I think there’s a grown-up conversation to be had about what happened,” Mr. Kassam said in an interview, adding that he did not believe that some conservatives wanted to have that conversation now. “Imagine being that sick, and then finding out why I might be that sick in a thirdhand way. I was angry. I was frustrated. I was scared,” he added.

But the president’s allies have attacked Mr. Kassam, accusing him of sowing panic when there are no other known cases to come out of the conference.

Matt Schlapp, president of CPAC, who has sequestered himself at home because he also shook the infected attendee’s hand, appeared on Fox News in recent days to malign the media for exaggerating the threat.

And though he acknowledged in a subsequent interview that he had no medical training, he has made claims about the coronavirus and its apparent lack of contagiousness.

“It’s actually hard to get,” he said on Fox News on Wednesday, speaking via Skype from his home, where he still has a few days left in his self-imposed quarantine.


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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

In his speech to the nation tonight, Trump, who seemed to be in a trance, never mentioned testing people for the virus. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Typical breathing through the mouth at the appropriate times.  No slurred words or incomplete thoughts.  Eyes glazed.

Later on CNN John Kasich gave the POTUS props for not fucking it up and Don Lemon had a melt down on national TV while not letting Governor Kasich get a word in edgewise for a long time. If I were in Kasich's seat, I probably would have walked off.

Instead I turned it off.  I'd rather watch Star Trek reruns.

I watched a bit of hannity and turned him off for sugar coating it as if 80% of us are safe with nothing to worry about.

I think Trump is in way over his head,

but Lemon was out of control, stupid, emotional and full of himself.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.1  WallyW  replied to  Split Personality @1.1    2 weeks ago
I think Trump is in way over his head,

What would Hilary do? Or Biden or Bernie? Besides, Pence seems have the proper plans, procedures, and actions ramping up in an organized way.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  WallyW @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
What would Hilary do? Or Biden or Bernie?

Totally fucking immaterial deflection.

Trump won an election, it's HIS problem.

Would you mothball all of the military plans for a full blown nuclear war

because it was implausible and hasn't happened since 1945?

I mean really Wally, you believe in evolution. I have read your knowledgeable comments on evolution.

You know that these germs and viruses mutate every sunrise.

You know that we have been creating germs and viruses that are immune to medicines like penicillin and

surface sanitizers like alcohol.

So if YOU were President how much would you invest in mutually assured nuclear destruction by our own

(humanity's)  hands

or have ( keep the ) teams in place monitoring world health for the next black plague or Ebola outbreak

or the nth version of swine flu which is virtually guaranteed every damned flu season.

How would you spend those defense $$$  Wally?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  WallyW @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
What would Hilary do? Or Biden or Bernie?

They would NOT have eliminated the pandemic response team.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.4  Krishna  replied to  WallyW @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
What would Hilary do? Or Biden or Bernie?

What would Gerald Ford have done? Or FDR...or Calvin Coolidge?

Or... how about Thomas Jefferson?

(And while we're attemptiong to derail the conversation by mentioning people who, unlike Trump...are not in office and don't have the power do do anything significant).

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1.4    2 weeks ago
What would Gerald Ford have done? Or FDR...or Calvin Coolidge?

Or... how about Thomas Jefferson?

(And while we're attemptiong to derail the conversation by mentioning people who, unlike Trump...are not in office and don't have the power do do anything significant).

Actually, you got me wondering...what would Humphrey Bogart (Peace Be Upon Him!) do?

Or...Marx? What would Groucho do?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
They would NOT have eliminated the pandemic response team.

I had heard that trump had eliminated that... but wasn't sure. So I googled it:

Amid  warnings  from public health officials that a 2020 outbreak of a new coronavirus could soon become a pandemic involving the U.S., alarmed readers asked Snopes to verify a rumor that U.S. President Donald Trump had “fired the entire pandemic response team two years ago and then didn’t replace them.”

Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been  fired  one month prior.

Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been  fired  one month prior.

It’s thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time. (cont'd)

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

Legum  stated  in a follow-up tweet that “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. 

The cuts could be especially problematic as COVID-19 continues to spread. Health officials are now warning the U.S. is unlikely to be spared, even though cases are minimal here so far.

“It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen in this country any more but a question of when this will happen and how many people in this country will have severe illness,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press call [on Feb. 25].

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

What about testing, what do you want to know?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.1  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @1.2    2 weeks ago
What about testing, what do you want to know?

Why aren't we testing thousands of people every day? Got an answer? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

Pick me!!!

Right here where I work, one of the employees was feeling sick to he went to Urgent Care. The doctor told him that his symptoms were not indicative of the Corona strain and therefore there was no need for testing. Ditto for all the hospitals in the area. Emergency rooms full of people. They aren't wasting what they have on feeling bad just because. Evidently a lot of people are just panicking because of it and the doctors and nurses are making the call on who gets the test and who doesn't based on WHO guidelines. They look for high fever, difficulty breathing/shortness of breath and a cough. Basically the same as pneumonia.....................

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.2    2 weeks ago
Pick me!!!

You picked yourself and still failed to answer my question. 

The standards for testing have changed day to day. Doctors and nurses are NOT making the call on testing, the CDC or state DOH are. 

CDC by where they send the kits and DOH by it's capacity to process those tests. 

In short, access to tests is being limited. 

This shit SHOULD have been geared up by the beginning of February, NOT at this late date. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/11/814189027/no-guarantee-youll-get-tested-for-covid-19-even-if-your-doctor-requests-it

Every single health care worker should be tested and every resident of a elder care facility should be tested. NOW! They are our most vulnerable population. 

Then every person who has had contact with someone who tests positive in those tests should be tested. 

There also needs to be a fire lit under the supply chain to guarantee that our health care workers are given the protective gear that they need. Azar said we need 300 million N95 masks and that we only had 12 million stockpiled. Azar then admitted that some of that stockpile was past their expiration date. His NEXT sentence should have been his resignation.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @1.2.3    2 weeks ago
Doctors and nurses are NOT making the call on testing, the CDC or state DOH are.

From your link.................................

"Right now the CDC is telling doctors in its new guidance that they should use their own medical judgment and then "work with their local health departments to coordinate testing through public health laboratories." 

And you are correct. There is no guarantee you're gonna get one. That is up to health departments local and federal. Right here in NC there is a lab which is also where the kits are made and they do the testing.

Every single health care worker should be tested and every resident of a elder care facility should be tested. NOW! They are our most vulnerable population.

So you don't think these places and people are getting priority testing.........even in Washington state where those places seem to be the epicenter of their problems?

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.5  MUVA  replied to  Dulay @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

Because the way the system was set up way before Trump took office that's the answer.Maybe the question should be why have the bureaucrats failed again. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.2.6  1stwarrior  replied to  MUVA @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

384

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.7  MUVA  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.6    2 weeks ago

Funny 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.8  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.4    2 weeks ago
So you don't think these places and people are getting priority testing.........even in Washington state where those places seem to be the epicenter of their problems?

I KNOW they are not and the Congress and officials have admitted as much. 

Health care workers are being told to wear surgical masks until the 'supply chain' catches up with demand for N95 respirators. This even though surgical masks do NOT stop COVID-19.

Azar said yesterday on Fox that the 'National Stockpile' has plenty of surgical masks. I'm sure that made the utterly uninformed feel more safe. 

Out of one side of their mouths they say that a patient needs to fit a certain criteria that includes age, health and symptoms. Out of the other side, idiots like Rep. Gaetz gets tested immediately even though he does NOT fit any of the criteria. 

Hell, it was reported yesterday that the passengers that came off of the cruise ship in Oakland have NOT been tested. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @1.2.8    2 weeks ago
I KNOW they are not and the Congress and officials have admitted as much.

Got a link for that?

With the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland accounting for more than half of the known U.S. coronavirus deaths, and all its patients tested , it was unclear why Life Care lacked diagnostic kits for staff, even as the University of Washington offered to process test samples for them.

Okay I'll give you SOME staff but you are wrong about the residents.........................

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-nursinghome/seattle-area-nursing-home-unable-to-test-65-workers-with-covid-19-symptoms-idUSKBN20X01R

The Seattle-area nursing home at the epicenter of one of the biggest coronavirus outbreaks in the United States said on Monday it had no kits to test 65 employees showing symptoms of the respiratory illness that has killed at least 13 patients at the long-term care center.

They are showing symptoms........and how many are in the high risk categories? Who knows but they are putting the pressure on. I guess we wait as they monitor those staff...............

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.10  Dulay  replied to  MUVA @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
Because the way the system was set up way before Trump took office that's the answer.Maybe the question should be why have the bureaucrats failed again. 

The 'bureaucrats' that are failing are the ones put in place by Trump. The head of HHS, CDC, FDA and DHS are ALL Trump appointees. THEY are the ones that set budgets and THEY are the ones that have followed the orders of their master and CUT the budgets for pandemic response. 

Note that Trump ZEROED OUT funding for the Strategic National Stockpile in his 2019 budget, switched the responsibility from CDC's control to HHS's control and proceeded to UNDERFUNDED it by tens of millions. Azar is responsible for the Strategic National Stockpile and it's on Trump and Azar that we are now woefully unprepared.

THAT is a documented fact. Go look up Trump's and the Agency's budgets and see for yourself. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.9    2 weeks ago
Okay I'll give you SOME staff but you are wrong about the residents.........................

That is ONE facility. 

They are showing symptoms........and how many are in the high risk categories?

It's been stated that an infected person can spread the virus for a couple of days without showing symptoms themselves. The lack of tests is Trump's fault. PERIOD full stop. 

Who knows but they are putting the pressure on. I guess we wait as they monitor those staff...............

Instead of TESTING, they are quarantining health care workers. In a country that was already shorthanded and now trying to address a pandemic, quarantining HEALTHY health care workers is STUPID. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.12  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.10    2 weeks ago
The 'bureaucrats' that are failing are the ones put in place by Trump. The head of HHS, CDC, FDA and DHS are ALL Trump appointees. THEY are the ones that set budgets and THEY are the ones that have followed the orders of their master and CUT the budgets for pandemic response. 

Please save your Rachel Madcow talking points. Whatever Trump does the TDS sufferers are going to whine. We have seen this exhibited numerous times.

Note that Trump ZEROED OUT funding for the Strategic National Stockpile in his 2019 budget,

Got links? 

 switched the responsibility from CDC's control to HHS's control and proceeded to UNDERFUNDED it by tens of millions. 

You mean he saved Millions by this maneuver. What actual cuts did he make to the stockpile?

Azar is responsible for the Strategic National Stockpile and it's on Trump and Azar that we are now woefully unprepared.

Please tell us how the stockpile left us unprepared?  Maybe if King Obama would have taken care of business in 2009 you wouldn't be so upset about the Strategic National Stockpile?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/face-masks-in-national-stockpile-have-not-been-substantially-replenished-since-2009/2020/03/10/57e57316-60c9-11ea-8baf-519cedb6ccd9_story.html

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.2.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @1.2.11    2 weeks ago
That is ONE facility.

I'm sorry did you miss this inadvertently?

With the facility in the Seattle suburb of Kirkland accounting for more than half of the known U.S. coronavirus deaths The lack of tests is Trump's fault. PERIOD full stop. 

Bullfuckingshit!

Instead of TESTING, they are quarantining health care workers. In a country that was already shorthanded and now trying to address a pandemic, quarantining HEALTHY health care workers is STUPID.

How do you know they are healthy? Are they quarantining all the workers? or just the ones with symptoms........(you know the quarantined 65 discussed)

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.14  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.12    2 weeks ago
Please save your Rachel Madcow talking points.

Please save your juvenile comments. 

Whatever Trump does the TDS sufferers are going to whine. We have seen this exhibited numerous times.

Whatever Trump does, his sycophants will cheer and now they're whistling past the graveyard. 

Got links? 

https://www.cdc.gov/budget/documents/fy2019/fy-2019-detail-table.pdf

You mean he saved Millions by this maneuver.

How much is that saving us NOW KD?

What actual cuts did he make to the stockpile?

-- Strategic National Stockpile $573,653 $571,095 $0 ($571,095)

Those numbers are in thousands, so that's a 571 MILLION dollar reduction. 

Follow that over to the 2019 HHS budget since that is where Trump moved the responsibility, to the line for Public Health Preparedness and Response:

https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/fy-2019-budget-in-brief.pdf

Public Health Preparedness and Response budget was 800 MILLION in 2018. Trump ADDED the responsibility for the Strategic National Stockpile and then REDUCED their budget by 595 MILLION.  

 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.15  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.14    2 weeks ago

Still can't tell us how it depleted the Strategic National Stockpile? 

Did he like start throwing shit away?

Those numbers are in thousands, so that's a 571 MILLION dollar reduction. 

So them tens of millions are now a half a billion?

256

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.16  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.15    2 weeks ago
Still can't tell us how it depleted the Strategic National Stockpile? 

Still can't keep yourself from moving to goal posts I see. You question was:

What actual cuts did he make to the stockpile?

I answered your question. 

BTFW, Azar stated that the HHS needed 500 million N95 masks and they only stockpiled 12 million, some of which he allowed to go past their expiration date.

But hey, I'm sure that the millions in reductions had no effect on our preparedness. So based on that scenario, we could cut the defense budget in half. Ya, that's the ticket...

So them tens of millions are now a half a billion?

You know that your juvenile memes don't refute anything or add anything to the discussion right? 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.17  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.13    2 weeks ago
I'm sorry did you miss this inadvertently?

No, it is only ONE facility in Washington. PERIOD. Full stop. 

How do you know they are healthy? Are they quarantining all the workers? or just the ones with symptoms........(you know the quarantined 65 discussed)

The VAST majority of healthcare workers [and most other kinds of workers] will work through a cold and even the flu. At my Doctors office right now, about half of them have a recurring 'bug'. Instead of quarantining those workers, they could test them and then let them go back to work if they are negative. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.18  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.16    2 weeks ago
Still can't keep yourself from moving to goal posts I see. You question was:

You are the one stating President Trump depleted the SNS, but the only proof is your I hate Trump feelings.

I answered your question.

No as usual you failed.

BTFW, Azar stated that the HHS needed 500 million N95 masks and they only stockpiled 12 million

Who stockpiled? Who is they? Oh you must mean the PoS Obama?

The great leader from behind never restocked the SNS after the 2009 H1N1 pandemic that he royally fucked up. But now we get to here them famous words 'but Trump'

You know that your juvenile memes don't refute anything or add anything to the discussion right? 

Still don't know what a meme is, how sad.

256

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.19  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.17    2 weeks ago
The VAST majority of healthcare workers [and most other kinds of workers] will work through a cold and even the flu. At my Doctors office right now, about half of them have a recurring 'bug'. 

Wow, where did you pull this hypothesis from? Do you just make shit up as you go along?

If you are sick you shouldn't be at work period. WTF why would you want a sick healthcare worker. You do realize more people die from Influenza than the corona virus?

Wow what a comment.

 
 
 
lady in black
1.2.20  lady in black  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.18    2 weeks ago

This all falls on trump and his administration:

Talk about dereliction of duties. Trump has fumbled this outbreak from the beginning, exacerbated it's spread, confused the public, now blames others for something he is 100% responsible and in charge of. Losers just don't get any better than Trump.

The president and his administration are responsible for grave, costly errors, most especially the epic manufacturing failures in diagnostic testing, the decision to test too few people, the delay in expanding testing to labs outside the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and problems in the supply chain. These mistakes have left us blind and badly behind the curve, and, for a few crucial weeks, they created a false sense of security. What we now know is that the coronavirus silently spread for several weeks, without us being aware of it and while we were doing nothing to stop it. Containment and mitigation efforts could have significantly slowed its spread at an early, critical point, but we frittered away that opportunity.

“They’ve simply lost time they can’t make up. You can’t get back six weeks of blindness,” Jeremy Konyndyk, who helped oversee the international response to Ebola during the Obama administration and is a senior policy fellow at the Center for Global Development,  told  The   Washington Post . “To the extent that there’s someone to blame here, the blame is on poor, chaotic management from the White House and failure to acknowledge the big picture.”

Earlier this week, Anthony Fauci, the widely respected director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases whose reputation for honesty and integrity have been only enhanced during this crisis, admitted in congressional testimony that the United States is still not providing adequate testing for the coronavirus. “It is failing. Let’s admit it.” He  added , “The idea of anybody getting [testing] easily, the way people in other countries are doing it, we’re not set up for that. I think it should be, but we’re not."

We also know the World Health Organization had working tests that  the United States refused , and  researchers at a project in Seattle tried to conduct early tests for the coronavirus but were prevented from doing so by federal officials . (Doctors at the research project eventually decided to perform coronavirus tests without federal approval.)

But that’s not all. The president reportedly ignored early warnings of the severity of the virus and  grew angry at a CDC official  who in February warned that an outbreak was inevitable. The Trump administration dismantled the National Security Council’s global-health office, whose purpose was to address global pandemics; we’re now paying the price for that. “We worked very well with that office,”  Fauci told Congress . “It would be nice if the office was still there.” We may face a shortage of ventilators and medical supplies, and hospitals may soon be overwhelmed, certainly if the number of coronavirus cases increases at a rate anything like that in countries such as Italy. (This would cause not only needless coronavirus-related deaths, but deaths from those suffering from other ailments who won’t have ready access to hospital care.)

Some of these mistakes are less serious and more understandable than others. One has to take into account that in government, when people are forced to make important decisions based on incomplete information in a compressed period of time, things go wrong.

The president’s misinformation and mendacity about the coronavirus are head-snapping. He  claimed  that it was contained in America when it was actually spreading. He claimed that we had “shut it down” when we had not. He claimed that testing was available when it wasn’t. He claimed that the coronavirus will one day disappear “like a miracle”; it won’t. He claimed that a vaccine would be available in months; Fauci says it will not be available for a year or more.

Trump falsely blamed the Obama administration for impeding coronavirus testing. He stated that the coronavirus first hit the United States later than it actually did. (He said that it was three weeks prior to the point at which he spoke; the actual figure was twice that.) The president claimed that the number of cases in Italy was getting “much better” when it was getting much worse. And in one of the more stunning statements an American president has ever made, Trump admitted that his preference was to keep a cruise ship off the California coast rather than allowing it to dock, because he wanted to keep the number of reported cases of the coronavirus artificially low.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.21  XDm9mm  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.19    2 weeks ago
Wow, where did you pull this hypothesis from? Do you just make shit up as you go along?

They both come from that same stinky place!!  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

If you are sick you shouldn't be at work period. WTF why would you want a sick healthcare worker.

If a "health care worker" came into examine me while he/she was sick, they would know really phucking fast exactly how pissed I was with THEIR lack of professionalism.

You do realize more people die from Influenza than the corona virus?

Yeah...   wasn't it 12 to 13 thousand from the Swine Flu (H1N1) back in 2009/2010?  Who was the head honcho then?

Wow what a comment.

Word salad.

PS:  Hope all is well with you and yours.   

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.22  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @1.2.20    2 weeks ago
epic manufacturing failures

I'll simply ask exactly when the federal government got into the manufacturing business.  That in and of itself makes your contentions baseless.

The rest of your diatribe is simply that.  A vitriolic diatribe against Donald Trump.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.23  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.18    2 weeks ago
You are the one stating President Trump depleted the SNS,

Nope, that's a lie. YOU are the only one that has used the term 'depleted'. All of my comments have been about FUNDING. Try to keep up. 

but the only proof is your I hate Trump feelings.

Another lie. I posted links to support my comment about FUNDING.

All you've done is blather and post insults. Typical. 

Who stockpiled? Who is they?

READ the sentence S L O W L Y for comprehension KD. 

Oh you must mean the PoS Obama? The great leader from behind never restocked the SNS after the 2009 H1N1 pandemic that he royally fucked up.

Proof? Link? 

Still don't know what a meme is, how sad.

Still don't understand that your juvenile memes don't refute anything or add anything to the discussion.

If only your written comments made up for it, how sad. 

 
 
 
lady in black
1.2.24  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.22    2 weeks ago

It's the truth on how crooked donnie and his administration handled COVID-19.  

Keep making excuses for this administrations failures and using childish memes.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.25  MUVA  replied to  lady in black @1.2.24    2 weeks ago

Step back from that ledge my friend.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.26  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.19    2 weeks ago
Wow, where did you pull this hypothesis from?

My wife was an EMT, my sister in law was a ER nurse until she retired and three of my friends are in healthcare. They all went to work with colds, congestion, even low grade fevers. The only one that doesn't is a respiratory care nurse that goes to peoples homes to give treatments. 

Do you just make shit up as you go along?

No, I'll leave that to you. 

If you are sick you shouldn't be at work period.

People do it every day. 

WTF why would you want a sick healthcare worker.

It has nothing with what you WANT, it's the way of the world. Many employees don't have paid sick days. Many of the people that work at nursing homes are part time, at will employees without employer health insurance or sick days. 

You do realize more people die from Influenza than the corona virus?

Do you realize that 2 days ago Dr. Fauci told Congress that COVID-19 has a 10X higher mortality rate that the flu? 

Talk about making shit up as you go along...Wow what a comment.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.27  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @1.2.24    2 weeks ago
Keep making excuses for this administrations failures and using childish memes.

Exactly WHEN did the federal government get into manufacturing?  You DID NOT answer the question.

Secondly, what fucking memes are you accusing ME of using?   READING is fundamental.  As in READING who made a post.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.28  MUVA  replied to  lady in black @1.2.20    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
1.2.29  Tessylo  replied to  lady in black @1.2.24    2 weeks ago

The 'president' is an inept incompetent bumbling moron along with the whole damned administration 

If he hadn't disassembled the pandemic response team because President Obama had it put in place, things might not quite be so SNAFU AND FUBAR would it now?

There's no way to blame anyone but tRump and his incompetent inept and bumbling administration for this.   He owns it 

 
 
 
lady in black
1.2.30  lady in black  replied to  MUVA @1.2.25    2 weeks ago

You step back from the ledge, I see trump for what he truly is an incompetent leader.....and he still blames Obama for his own failures, nothing is ever his fault

 
 
 
lady in black
1.2.31  lady in black  replied to  MUVA @1.2.28    2 weeks ago

No it is NOT...sad you can't see what a failure trump is.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.32  MUVA  replied to  Dulay @1.2.10    2 weeks ago

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lady in black
1.2.33  lady in black  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.29    2 weeks ago

Too bad his followers make excuse after excuse and are too blind to see how inept he is.

Of course what I posted is called fake/false, etc. when it is the truth of how the events of this administrations response to COVID-19 unfolded.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.34  KDMichigan  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.21    2 weeks ago
PS:  Hope all is well with you and yours. 

lol I'm fine . just riding out the mass hysteria, laughing at hypocrites.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.35  XDm9mm  replied to  lady in black @1.2.33    2 weeks ago
Too bad his followers make excuse after excuse and are too blind to see how inept he is.

Too bad you still haven't figured out when the federal government got into manufacturing.  Or is that a symptom of Trump Derangement Syndrom? [removed]

 
 
 
lady in black
1.2.36  lady in black  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.35    2 weeks ago

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KDMichigan
1.2.37  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.26    2 weeks ago
My wife was an EMT, my sister in law was a ER nurse until she retired and three of my friends are in healthcare. They all went to work with colds, congestion, even low grade fevers.

Wow that just that speaks volumes. How could a person who works in the medical field be so selfish? All the healthcare workers I know would never jeopardize other peoples health. 

Many of the people that work at nursing homes are part time, at will employees without employer health insurance or sick days. 

I guess going to work sick at a place that people most likely to die from a cold or Flu live is okay with you but I think it's pretty fucking selfish, Pretty sad you think it's alright. SMH

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.38  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.22    2 weeks ago
I'll simply ask exactly when the federal government got into the manufacturing business. 

Well at least since February: 

CDC has developed a new laboratory test kit for use in testing patient specimens for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus that causes COVID-19. The test kit is called the “Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time Reverse Transcriptase (RT)-PCR Diagnostic Panel.” It is intended for use with the Applied Biosystems 7500 Fast DX Real-Time PCR Instrument with SDS 1.4 software. This test is intended for use with upper and lower respiratory specimens collected from persons who meet CDC criteria for COVID-19 testing. CDC’s test kit is intended for use by laboratories designated by CDC as qualified, and in the United States, certified under the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments (CLIA) to perform high complexity tests.
On Monday, February 3, 2020, CDC submitted an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) package to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in order to expedite FDA permitted use of the CDC diagnostic panel in the United States. The EUA process enables FDA to consider and authorize the use of unapproved, but potentially life-saving medical or diagnostic products during a public health emergency. The U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services declared the SARS-CoV-2 virus a U.S. public health emergency on Friday, January 31, 2020. FDA issued the EUA on February 4, 2020. IRR began distribution of the test kits to states, but shortly thereafter performance issues were identified related to a problem in the manufacturing of one of the reagents which led to laboratories not being able to verify the test performance. CDC is remanufacturing the reagents with more robust quality control measures. New tests will be distributed once this issue has been addressed. CDC continues to perform initial and confirmatory testing.

Not only manufacturing but REmanufacturing...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.39  XDm9mm  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.34    2 weeks ago
lol I'm fine . just riding out the mass hysteria,

I'm having a blast watching the hysterics.   Hell, I was at Costco the other day to get some frozen salmon, fruit and pick up a pack of TP..   NO TP available, and people were carting out 4, 5, 6 'cases' of bottled water each.  I guess they don't have indoor plumbing where they live!!  LOL

Got my salmon, fruit and got the TP at the local grocery store HEB.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.2.40  sandy-2021492  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.37    2 weeks ago

My hygienist's husband is a nurse.  He was penalized by the hospital for taking off sick - do it enough, and they threaten to fire you.  Welcome to healthcare in America.

I used to volunteer as an EMT.  And yeah, the career EMTs showed up sick, because sometimes too many of them were sick for all of the sick ones to take the day off.  They stay home, and somebody's granny doesnt get CPR, or somebody's house burns down (here, the EMTs are also firefighters).

Patients aren't especially forgiving of the sick health care provider who cancels their appointment, either.  One of my patients yelled at my receptionist for calling to reschedule his dental cleaning when I was in the hospital, hemorrhaging from a miscarriage.  Again, welcome to healthcare in America.

Health care workers aren't allowed to get sick.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.42  KDMichigan  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.2.40    2 weeks ago

Good for you. That is not my expirence.

I will state it again quite clearly, If you are contagious and you go to work and expose it to others you are plain and simply a fucking asshole. 

 
 
 
charger 383
1.2.43  charger 383  replied to  WallyW @1.2    2 weeks ago

ALL OF YOU,  ARGUE THE POINTS AS MUCH AS YOU WANT BUT STOP THE INSULTS

thanks Charger 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.2.44  sandy-2021492  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.42    2 weeks ago

Tell it to the hospital administrators who make the rules.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.45  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.37    2 weeks ago
How could a person who works in the medical field be so selfish?

How could a person who is supposed to be leading this country be so selfish? 

Update: This Interim Guidance was updated on March 7, 2020 to make the following changes:
    • Updating recommendations regarding HCP contact tracing, monitoring, and work restrictions in selected circumstances. These include allowances for asymptomatic HCP who have had an exposure to a COVID-19 patient to continue to work after options to improve staffing have been exhausted and in consultation with their occupational health program. (See Additional Considerations and Recommendations at the end of the document)

So that means for the DAYS that a HCP can still go to work if asymptomatic but can still transmit the disease. 

    • Removed requirement under “self monitoring with delegated supervision” for healthcare facilities to actively verify absence of fever and respiratory symptoms when healthcare personnel (HCP) report for work. This is now optional.
    • Simplified risk exposure categories based on most common scenarios with focus on presence/absence of source control measures; use of personal protective equipment (PPE) by HCP; and degree of contact with the patient (i.e., prolonged versus brief)

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-risk-assesment-hcp.html

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.46  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.23    2 weeks ago
READ the sentence S L O W L Y for comprehension KD. 

Why don't you just try comprehending instead of crying about Trump every fucking day.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.47  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.2.45    2 weeks ago
How could a person who is supposed to be leading this country be so selfish? 

What actually does Trump have to do with assholes going to work sick? 

I understand that most Democrats need the big Government to tell them how to do everything but there is a class of us that has common sense.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.48  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @1.2.47    2 weeks ago
What actually does Trump have to do with assholes going to work sick?

Trump is glad handing the whole fucking leadership after being directly exposed to people that have tested positive. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.49  MrFrost  replied to  1stwarrior @1.2.6    2 weeks ago

Yea, that one was making the rounds on Twitter. Have to admit it did make me chuckle.

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Worst president and administration since our country's inception

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1  arkpdx  replied to  lady in black @2    2 weeks ago

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lady in black
2.1.1  lady in black  replied to  arkpdx @2.1    2 weeks ago

Nope, Crooked donnie is the WORST president this country has EVER had

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  lady in black @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Not by a long shot! Mr. President Peanut was and still is the worst ever closely followed by BHO

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.3  lady in black  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Um, nope, Crooked donnie is the worst of the worst of the worst in the history of this country

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.4  arkpdx  replied to  lady in black @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Well I guess I will chalk it up as you exercising your right to be wrong

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.5  arkpdx  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

Deleted

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.6  lady in black  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

I guess i'll chalk it that you are just plain wrong.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.7  gooseisgone  replied to  lady in black @2.1.3    2 weeks ago
donnie is the worst

Prove it!!!!!!!

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.8  lady in black  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.7    2 weeks ago

He proves it every time he opens his mouth

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.9  gooseisgone  replied to  lady in black @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

That what I thought. 

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.10  lady in black  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.9    2 weeks ago

He had his head in his ass and thought it was nothing, now stocks are in the toilet along with many people's livelihoods here in NYS.

Keep making excuses for the dumb fuck that occupies the whitehouse

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.12  gooseisgone  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.11    2 weeks ago

Ha,Ha, Ha, that's a good one !!!!!!!!       Carter...…….and No Regan!  Business Insider just went to the same status as of The Onion.

 
 
 
Dulay
3  Dulay    2 weeks ago

All I can say is that back in the day, my drug dealer would have given me a much better 'cocktail' to have me prepped for that address than Trump's did. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4  It Is ME    2 weeks ago

Sensationalized "Names" with a Number Attached, really do "Cause" Panic !

My "Corona Virus"  was no different than my other "Corona Viruses" over the years. I still "Blow My Nose" as much as I did in 1988 !

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @4    2 weeks ago

89691417_1252818324922854_81723433270609

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 weeks ago

Buying your toilet paper from China, I see.

 
 
 
lady in black
5  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Another republican looney tunes idiot:

Comment from article I wanted to share - Falwell thinks the deadly virus was invented by Muslim Bolsheviks in Benghazi, who were hired by Obama and Hillary, who then imported it to the US and stored barrels of it in the basement of the same pizza place where they run their child porn ring. Subsequently they had black NFL players spread the virus all around the country.

https://news.yahoo.com/during-fox-friends-interview-jerry-143630950.html?.tsrc=jtc_news_index

During 'Fox & Friends' interview, Jerry Falwell Jr. suggests the coronavirus is a plot to hurt Trump and says Liberty University will continue to hold in-person classes

In the same segment, Falwell falsely claimed that the media is overhyping the threat of COVID-19 specifically to hurt Trump and suggested that the virus is a bioweapon concocted by North Korea.

"It's just strange to me how so many are overreacting. The H1N1 virus in 2009 killed 17,000 people, it was the flu also I think, and there was not the same level of hype. You just didn't see it on the news 24/7 and it makes you wonder if there's a political reason for that," Falwell said.

Falwell said that media coverage of the virus is a plot specifically to take out Trump, saying: "Impeachment didn't work, the Mueller report didn't work, article 25 didn't work, maybe this is their next attempt to get Trump."

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @5    2 weeks ago
The H1N1 virus in 2009 killed 17,000 people, it was the flu also I think, and there was not the same level of hype.

Because, Mr Falwell, it is an influenza but many people get a flu shot every year. While the flu shot may not have prevented people from getting H1N1, it did probably lessen the severity of the disease. I bet if you go back and look at the 17,000 who died, most of them didn't get a flu shot or already had underlying conditions.

My point is....there is no vaccine for COVID-19. It is much more contagious and lethal than the flu. It's on the news 24/7 because people want to and need to be informed

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    2 weeks ago
already had underlying conditions.

As, it seems, the case is now. And this one, for the most part, leaves kids alone. That's one participation "trophy" they don't want

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1    2 weeks ago

I'm 71 and have never had a flu shot nor will I ever poison my body with one.  Holistic health using natural means is the way our bodies were designed.

I also have not had the flu in more than 35 years

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

Who cares?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

89434088_828876924266665_423012528567405

 
 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.5  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.4    one week ago

Prayer is far better than trusting the medical community who kill 100s of thousands every year

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.5    one week ago

Prayer is far better than trusting the medical community who kill 100s of thousands every year

And how many do they save from certain death? More than "100's of thousands". 

In comparison? How many people have been cured of disease from prayer alone? 

None. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
6  MrFrost    2 weeks ago

Hannity is so deep in denial and deflection for Dear Leader he was even dragging 20 year old Bill Clinton stories up. Dude is flat out pathetic. 

 
 
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