China Lied And People Died: Chinese Scientists Destroyed Wuhan Coronavirus Evidence in December

  
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China Lied And People Died: Chinese Scientists Destroyed Wuhan Coronavirus Evidence in December

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The Chinese are to blame for this Wuhan coronavirus pandemic. Their containment methods were laughable, their officials refused to inform the public, and people died. They allowed Wuhan to celebrate Chinese New Year, exposing potentially tens of thousands to the disease. Some five million left the city before they enacted a quarantine. And now we’re hearing that they knew about human transmissions.   The Wall Street Journal ’s piece on how this whole international fiasco began   all but places the blame   where it should rightfully be directed: China



It was on Dec. 10 that Wei Guixian, a seafood merchant in this city’s Hua’nan market, first started to feel sick. Thinking she was getting a cold, she walked to a small local clinic to get some treatment and then went back to work.

Eight days later, the 57-year-old was barely conscious in a hospital bed, one of the first suspected cases in a coronavirus epidemic that has paralyzed China and gripped the global economy. The virus has spread around the world and sickened more than 100,000.

For almost three weeks, doctors struggled to connect the dots between Ms. Wei and other early cases, many of them Hua’nan vendors. Patient after patient reported similar symptoms, but many, like her, visited small, poorly resourced clinics and hospitals. Some patients balked at paying for chest scans; others, including Ms. Wei, refused to be transferred to bigger facilities that were better-equipped to identify infectious diseases.

When doctors did finally establish the Hua’nan link in late December, they quarantined Ms. Wei and others like her and raised the alarm to their superiors. But they were prevented by Chinese authorities from alerting their peers, let alone the public.

One of the first doctors to alert Chinese authorities was criticized for “spreading rumors” after sharing with a former medical-school classmate a test result showing a patient had a coronavirus. Another doctor had to write a self-criticism letter saying his warnings “had a negative impact.”

And now, there are reports that Chinese scientists destroyed evidence about the virus back in December (via   The Times UK ):


Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak. Censors have been rapidly deleting the report from the Chinese internet.

Those who do slam the Chinese government’s antics   vanish , as National Review’s Jim Geraghty noted, among other things. One doctor in Wuhan tried to raise the red flags about this virus in December and the state came down on her (via   Business Insider ):


 A Wuhan doctor said she wishes she could rewind the clock to December when she first sounded the alarm about a new pneumonia-like virus — only to back away after being reprimanded by Chinese officials.

Ai Fen, director of Wuhan Central Hospital's emergency department, told Chinese magazine People that a colleague sent her a diagnostic report in late December of a worrying infection that mirrored severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), according to the South China Morning Post.

Ai shared a picture of the report on a WeChat group on December 30, and then its members circulated that photo more widely. Whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang, 34, who was silenced by Chinese officials and then died of the COVID-19 virus, was part of that group. 

Ai said she also gave hospital authorities a heads-up about the virus.

"I even grabbed our hospital respiratory department director, who happened to be passing my office, and told him that one of his patients was confirmed to have been infected with a SARS-like virus," Ai said to People magazine, the Post reported.

[…]

…doctors were not allowed to report cases that they encountered.

"It's fairly easy to fill out the disease reporting form," a doctor told Caixin. "When we get cases of hepatitis B or other severe infectious diseases, we can make a diagnosis directly on the computer, fill in the infectious disease report in a pop-up window and just click OK." But "to do that, a diagnosis must be made," the doctor said.

A law enforcement official visited the hospital on January 12, Caixin reported, and told medical staff that the infectious disease forms could only be completed and submitted with guidance from experts at the city and provincial levels.

The next day, Wang Wenyong, who leads infectious disease control at Wuhan's Jianghan district disease control center, told Wuhan Central hospital to alter a suspected coronavirus report to say that patients were suffering from other illnesses.

The Chinese knew. They tried to arrogantly suffocate this news with a pillow. They kept medical staff in the dark. They strong-armed doctors who tried to save lives and do the right thing. Like all authoritarian governments, disasters of this scale cannot be allowed to happen. Look how long it took the Soviets to realize that Chernobyl was, uh, a HUGE problem. The same applies here. China didn’t want to look weak, powerless, and ineffective in a massive public health situation. They thought if they ignored it, it would go away. It didn’t. And now they’ve unleashed this mess onto the world.   It was them



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The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    3 months ago

The Communist government is rounding up doctors and citizens who spoke out about the government's handling of this virus. People are disappearing.

The Chinese Government cannot and should not ever be trusted. They are an abhorrent group of people and they do horrible things to their own population.

Fuck Communism and Fuck the Chinese Government! They are a cancer on this planet.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1    3 months ago

That's it Fish - TELL IT LIKE IT IS!

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
1.1.1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1    3 months ago

It's really disgusting that our Media cowers to these animals. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.2  Heartland American  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1.1.1    3 months ago

And they kicked out the American reporters who got the info out of that fine country controlled by an overtly evil regime who wouldn’t cower before those animals

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2  MUVA  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1    3 months ago

Time to kick them out of the WTO send the back to where they were in the 80’s.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
1.2.1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  MUVA @1.2    3 months ago

Their human rights track record is disgusting. Kick them out!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  MUVA @1.2    3 months ago
Time to kick them out of the WTO

Funny how the WTO seems to work hand & foot with China

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @1.2    3 months ago

Good luck with kicking them out of the WTO...... US Corporations will never support it, thus Republicans will never support it.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.4  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.3    3 months ago

No remember all republicans are low wage workers and democrats are the smart successful ones are you telling me that is a lie.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @1.2.4    3 months ago

Go study up on the topic yourself.... It took me all of five minutes to pull up the passage by congress, pushed by corporations, and signed by Slick Willie.  Then with the export of 5.8 million American manufacturing jobs from 2000-2008, the deal was done.  American corporations have no loyalty to America.... only it's shareholders.   

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.6  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.5    3 months ago

I have forgotten more about the subject than you know.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.2.7  Heartland American  replied to  MUVA @1.2    3 months ago

their leader wants to go back to the 1960’s.  

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.2.8  Freedom Warrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.3    2 months ago

What the fuck you talking about there’s plenty of Republicans here ready to go to war with China over this

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3  gooseisgone  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1    3 months ago

I've been in a discussion with another poster about the possibility this virus came from their Bio Lab in China.  He thinks I am a conspiracy nut.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.3.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3    3 months ago

We have a few pinko commie sympathizers on this site. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.2  Ozzwald  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3    3 months ago
I've been in a discussion with another poster about the possibility this virus came from their Bio Lab in China.

Easy to show you are not one.  Post your evidence that supports your belief.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.4  Ozzwald  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3.3    3 months ago
Here you go Oz.....enjoy.

Have you seen the sources you're referencing?  I'll give you kudos for having some links, but conspiracy sites are not terribly convincing.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.3.5  Heartland American  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.4    3 months ago

Those are not conspiracy sites.  Newsmax and Washington Times in particular are very good news sources.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Heartland American @1.3.5    3 months ago
Newsmax and Washington Times in particular are very good news sources.

No, they're really not.  They publish conspiracy theories, they just don't CREATE those theories like some of the others in your comment.

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gooseisgone
1.3.7  gooseisgone  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.4    3 months ago
but conspiracy sites are not terribly convincing.

So I guess the New York Times and Washington Post just to name a few are conspiracy sites for pushing the Russian Collusion for 3 years. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.8  Ozzwald  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3.7    3 months ago

So I guess the New York Times and Washington Post just to name a few are conspiracy sites for pushing the Russian Collusion for 3 years. 

Wow!  Can you go any further off topic?  If you can't substantiate your current claims, deflect!

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
1.3.9  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.8    3 months ago
Wow!  Can you go any further off topic? 

I seeded the article and so there really is no topic. I just wanted to say that I feel a connection to all of you on Newstalkers and I love you all.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.8    3 months ago

I think that statement is relevant to the article. China lied and the American biased media is marching with them:

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https://twitter.com/MZHemingway/status/1240667709731409924

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.10    3 months ago
I think that statement is relevant to the article.

But not to the comment string.

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.3.12  Heartland American  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.11    2 months ago

Many in the mainstream media here in the U.S are siding with Chinese propaganda to blame Trump for the Coronavirus. Political cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2020.

06-wuhan-li-600a-600x429.jpg See more Branco toons  HERE

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.13  Krishna  replied to  gooseisgone @1.3    2 months ago
He thinks I am a conspiracy nut.

Well... are you?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.14  Ozzwald  replied to  Heartland American @1.3.12    2 months ago
Many in the mainstream media here in the U.S are siding with Chinese propaganda to blame Trump for the Coronavirus.

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Freedom Warrior
1.3.15  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Ozzwald @1.3.4    2 months ago

Even if they didn’t manufacture it they unleashed it upon the world for everybody to suffer and we will hold them accountable along with anybody who supports them.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.16  Ozzwald  replied to  Freedom Warrior @1.3.15    2 months ago
Even if they didn’t manufacture it they unleashed it upon the world for everybody to suffer and we will hold them accountable along with anybody who supports them.

Are you claiming that China purposely infected the rest of the world?  Would you care to explain their motive?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.3.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @1.3.13    2 months ago

Maybe it is time for a vote.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.3.18  gooseisgone  replied to  Krishna @1.3.13    2 months ago
Well... are you?

Maybe......I do know the Chinese were not forthcoming about how serious this virus was and had they been honest from the onset we would not be in the "WORLD" crisis we find ourselves in currently.  So I must ask why? 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1    3 months ago

Exactly how much time have you spent in the PRC?

The government is everything there.  They keep the people oblivious because they totally control the message and the information.  Nothing will happen to that changes out the government there until is a lack of jobs, or a lack of food.  The government controls the military which has shown it will kill it's own citizens when told to.

Talk to Buzz about this as he can back me up on things there.  I spent seven months on a project, he's spent years.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
1.4.1  Jasper2529  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4    3 months ago

I recommend leaving him out of this. As far as I know, he's a permanent resident and under watchful eyes, if you know what I mean. Just sayin'.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Jasper2529 @1.4.1    3 months ago

That is true,  don't want to compromise Buzz, but given my seven months there, it was like the government just keeps them pacified with nothing but positive, vanilla, news.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.3  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.2    3 months ago
nothing but positive, vanilla, news.  

AKA, Communist Chinese Peoples Liberation Army lies.

Got it!!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4.4  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4    2 months ago
Talk to Buzz about this as he can back me up on things there.  I spent seven months on a project, he's spent years.

Well, then their biased (after spending all that time there). You should watch more mainstream media if you want the actual FACTS-- their reporters who report on China have never been there, so they have no false bias.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.5  squiggy  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1    3 months ago

Wait until the North Korean story leaks. There should be one mountain hermit left to tell it.

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.6  Kathleen  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @1    2 months ago

Agreed, the more I learn, the more this makes me angry. I kind of knew, but it’s coming out even more. Sickness, death and now the crippling around the globe because these bastards covered this up. 

 
 
 
Krishna
1.6.1  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @1.6    2 months ago
Sickness, death and now the crippling around the globe because these bastards covered this up. 

Yup-- and they weren th'te only ones!

Kellyanne Conway said it was contained.

And Rush Limbaugh said is was just like the common cold, 

And Pence said he and Trump still shake hands.

All aimed at getting to believe it was no big deal--- and there's no need to take those precautions!

 
 
 
Kathleen
1.6.2  Kathleen  replied to  Krishna @1.6.1    2 months ago

Who cares what they said, no one would think it would ever come to this. 

I don’t give a shit what they said... you can bring that up all you want, and make it political, but that does not change the fact of where it got started and covered up.

 
 
 
bccrane
1.6.3  bccrane  replied to  Kathleen @1.6.2    2 months ago

Talk about making something political, you should see how the Italian press is attacking and vilifying their president, Sergio Mattarella, for how out of hand the corvid19 virus became in Italy.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.6.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @1.6.1    2 months ago

You could not pay me to shake hands with either of them, CV fears or not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2  Vic Eldred    3 months ago

They will defend the government of China rather than rally around this President. What traitors!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

I have been reading this thread and I have not read anything here that is defending China, Vic. I think we all know what a horrible dictatorship they are. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1    2 months ago

You did see the Washington Post tweet I linked in Post #1.3.10?  As for comments, you don't have to go far around NT to find them.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

Some of the press is.... not surprising.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @2.2    2 months ago
Some of the press is.... not surprising

Well, Sean Hannity actually said the Virus was "a hoax"-- what is he trying to get the American people to believe?

(I saw it live on Fox as he said it...so unless you're convinced that some evil Socialist like AOC or Mike Bloomberg or Hillary Clinton have hacked Fox news-- Sean hannity's comment was totally disgusting. What a sleazebag!!!)

Sure, Communist China is a police stae-- their actions are consistant with the type of propaganda and other totalitarian actions they've taken in the past..

But I was surprised to see how trump and the entire Trump Crime family went out of their way to minimize it (until recently when they've had so much blowback they started toactually tell the truth now from time to time!e

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.2  Kathleen  replied to  Krishna @2.2.1    2 months ago

I am talking about all of the press and the Chinese Government, will you please stop making this political?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2.2.3  Larry Hampton  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.2    2 months ago

So it's ok if our administration lied and misinformed the American Public about the coronavirus for months, but not the Chinese government to do the same?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @2.2.1    2 months ago

Trump also called it hoax.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.5  Kathleen  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.3    2 months ago

How do you feel about how the Chinese government handled this first?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2.2.6  Larry Hampton  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.5    2 months ago

The Chinese government should for sure be held responsible for their actions; they did the same thing they have done before, covered it up and lied. 

In the same way, the US government should be held responsible for their own deceit and disinformation about the virus.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.7  Kathleen  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.6    2 months ago

I wouldn’t consider it deceit, it would be more like not realizing exactly what we were dealing with because it came from another country.  I think it was more of not understanding what this was. You can not compare our government to China’s with this situation at all. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2.2.8  Larry Hampton  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.7    2 months ago

rump said the virus was under control-that is a lie.

He said anybody that needed a test could get one-that is a lie.

He said that everyone returning from Europe would be tested at the airport-that is a lie

He said we would soon have a vaccine-that is a lie

There are more lies...would you care for me to list more?

We need accurate and timely information to battle this virus. Lies lead to more sickness and death.

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.9  Kathleen  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.8    2 months ago

You are making this too political for your agenda. I expected that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.8    2 months ago

Larry some people are die hard deniers that Trump is dysfunctional. 

The water is over the dam on that.  We have to defeat Trumpism at the ballot box in November. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2.2.11  Larry Hampton  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.9    2 months ago

I don't know how to explain this to you, but a pandemic requires a political solution. We cannot hope to get through this with as few deaths as possible without leadership taking up responsibility. 

As far as your expectations are concerned, perhaps you should attempt to embark upon conversation to learn something, rather than to have preconceptions affirmed. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.12  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.10    2 months ago

Hatred obsession is worse.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @2.2.12    2 months ago

Nobody is obsessed. The man doesnt belong in office. 

Why do you have such low standards for the presidency? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
2.2.14  Kathleen  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.11    2 months ago

Actually, you don’t have to explain a thing to me, I already know the way these things go. I think we are all doing what we can as a society right now. Time to move on from the R’s verses the D’s and fight this virus as a country in whole.  If you don’t agree with that, I have nothing more to add

 
 
 
Freewill
2.2.15  Freewill  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.4    2 months ago
Trump also called it hoax.

Nope.  Not a Trump fan either, but can we at least be factual?  From Snopes and just about any other source where reality matters:

What's True

During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

What's False

Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

 
 
 
Freewill
2.2.16  Freewill  replied to  Krishna @2.2.1    2 months ago
Well, Sean Hannity actually said the Virus was "a hoax"-- what is he trying to get the American people to believe?

Did he?  And you are certain he was calling the coronavirus a hoax, or did you listen to more than just the clip on Media Matters which was removed from the rest of the context of his show that day?  HERE is the first part of the show and then HERE is the second part containing the part where he used the word "hoax".  Please watch beginning to end and then you tell me if you really think he was calling the virus itself a hoax, or perhaps the many ways that the media and his rivals were trying to distort the President's reaction to the virus a hoax.

Biden calling the President's immediate reaction to stop travel from China "xenophobic"?  New York Times - "Call it Trumpvirus?"  "If you get sick you know who to blame?".  In Hannity's mind, if that ain't a hoax then what is it?  His rant that night was about " Media using coronavirus coverage as political weapon".  I'm pretty sure THAT is what we was referring to as the "hoax".  He clearly feels the virus is serious and listens to those who should know.  If one watches the full videos, and is being intellectually honest, not sure how one can arrive at any other conclusion.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    2 months ago

How is that different than Trump saying he trusts Putin over our own intelligence experts?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.3    2 months ago

Quote please?

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
3  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    3 months ago

Time to put America first, take back our manufacturing from these monsters. Any Chicom fan club pumper politicians need to hit the road.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @3    3 months ago

All the key technologies must be made here in the US. That would include Pharmaceutical ingredients.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
3.1.1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 months ago

Globalism sounded great until it didn't.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @3.1.1    3 months ago

Globalism: A short lived philosophy - Cheap prices and high taxes for the masses!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    3 months ago

Seriously...?  It's always going to be about cheap prices.  And now that the higher paying jobs for those with minimal education are gone, what choice do people have than to buy cheaper products to stretch their dollars further?

And before you start screaming at me, back in 2010, I had to shutter four plants, skid up the equipment so it could be moved to China, and put 800 Americans out on the streets.  Shortly after that I became number 801 in the unemployment line.  You want to be pissed at someone.... start with the corporations whom have no loyalty to the United States..... only their shareholders. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.3    3 months ago
You want to be pissed at someone....

Be pissed at the people that buy that shit.  Corporations answer to the desires of the people.  If they actually let them know they wanted American made products, made in American owned and operated factories, guess what.  they would get what they wanted.

With a few exceptions, everything I own, wear or use is American made.  I go out of my way to find the Made in the USA label, and more often than not, the price differential is NOT that great, then factor in the life expectancy of the American made product vs the Chinese made, and I come out ahead.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.1.5  squiggy  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    3 months ago

I can shop for the KD oil filter wrench first - or do it after I break a Chinese wrench, along with four knuckles.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.3    3 months ago
You want to be pissed at someone.... start with the corporations whom have no loyalty to the United States..... only their shareholders. 

I agree...I'm more pissed at them!

Those with no loyalty!

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No sailor comments, please!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.7  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 months ago

You can smell the hormones from here....!

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
3.1.8  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.7    3 months ago

I'm pretty sure that does not smell very good.  If you take my fish out of the bowl and leave it out in the son for a day it would probably smell like that.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
3.1.9  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  squiggy @3.1.5    3 months ago

I need a new kn filter for my bike. Thank you for the reminder. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.3    2 months ago
You want to be pissed at someone.... start with the corporations whom have no loyalty to the United States..... only their shareholders. 

Amen brother.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 months ago

9mm,

I make a point and try to buy American for the most part, but out meds don't say, made in China. Most of Macys says "Made in China". Kind of hard to do when there is no supply. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.12  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.3    2 months ago
You want to be pissed at someone.... start with the corporations whom have no loyalty to the United States..... only their shareholders. 

And they do whatever they get away with. A while back cigarette companies said they did research proving that there were no ill effects from smoking. (Finally there were those huge lawsuits, and things changed a bit). 

Here's the sort of thing that was shown on TV just  a few decades ago:

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.13  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.4    2 months ago
With a few exceptions, everything I own, wear or use is American made

Do you own a cell phone? Computer? A car? Do any of those you own have all parts made in U.S.A.?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.1.14  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @3.1.1    2 months ago
Globalism sounded great until it didn't

it never sounded good.to begin with.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4  It Is ME    3 months ago

I read that the "First" young Doctor to "Spout the News" from over there, "Suddenly" ……  came down with the Virus.....and "Died". jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  It Is ME @4    3 months ago

Human life and safety is meaningless in the PRC.  If someone dies on the job, they have 1.4 billion others to fill the position.   I've watched stick welding done without a face shield.  I've watched a gasoline fired fork lift moving product in a warehouse with the exhaust making people sick.

People coming up missing is just swept under the rug

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
4.1.1  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1    3 months ago

The population needs to grow a pair and walk outside with a rake. Their Army would be overrun by their own population.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1    2 months ago
Human life and safety is meaningless in the PRC.  If someone dies on the job, they have 1.4 billion others to fill the position.   I've watched stick welding done without a face shield.  I've watched a gasoline fired fork lift moving product in a warehouse with the exhaust making people sick.

If Trump and the rest of the Trump Crime family had their way the same conditions would exist in the U.S.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @4.1.1    2 months ago

The population needs to grow a pair and walk outside with a rake.

You would think so, but all of their newspapers are reporting "good and happy news" all the time.  When the government decides it's in their interest to show they are doing things to fight corruption, then they release stories on public and military officials that have fallen out of favor and are made examples of for corruption.  The real corruption still lies at the top with old men that have attained their positions not because of being qualified, but because they have stronger political ties. 

Even all of the billboards and public notices are emblazoned with cute little aname cartoon art.  It is a form of "don't worry, be happy"  "Trust us to do what's in your best interest."  Marry this to what I see is a cultural superiority complex because they are older.  They believe that the rest of the world should respect them just because.

This is what I got out of my seven months on assignment there.

 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
4.1.4  Dean Moriarty  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.3    2 months ago

Hopefully Hong Kong protests will be a catalyst to shake them out of their slumber. We started to see some uprisings in China near the border not long ago in support of Hong Kong’s quest for democracy. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.1.5  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    2 months ago

That’s just an idiotic comment. I’m not gonna believe anything you say ever again. Make that permanent ignore

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    2 months ago
had their way the same conditions would exist in the U.S.

There is a reason why new diseases keep appearing in China:

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Think of the unsanitary conditions involved with live animals stacked on top of one another.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.1.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    2 months ago
Think of the unsanitary conditions involved with live animals stacked on top of one another.

yepp, that is the official story the communists gave us. which means it is a lie also.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
5  seeder  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"    3 months ago

China has been bribing VOX and several other liberal media outlets to run their state approved propaganda.

That's why so many of our liberals are fluffing their info

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @5    2 months ago

Really?

I wonder what the Chinese government's propaganda wing thinks about this Vox article?

China is perfecting a new method for suppressing dissent on the internet

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @5    2 months ago
That's why so many of our liberals are fluffing their info

We used to have one of their own we could have look into it & them, but he's long gone.

 
 
 
bbl-1
6  bbl-1    2 months ago

All jokes aside, if our INTEL was not aware of any of these accusations put forth in this 'article', then what are we paying them for. 

Or, would the truth be that our INTEL did inform the US Government and the leadership was either more involved in smearing certain people or simply did not believe the INTEL because it doesn't trust anything except itself?

 
 
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