At the same time Trump was calling the virus concerns a hoax, a key US senator was telling a private business group that things would get bad
On Feb 27 Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Richard Burr was telling a private North Carolina business group
"One thing I can tell you about this, it is much more aggressive, in terms of transmission, than anything we have seen in recent history. It's probably more akin to the 1918 pandemic."
That same day President Trump was telling the American people
"It's going to disappear. One day, like a miracle, it could disappear. From our shores , it could get worse before it gets better, it could maybe go away. We'll see what happens.
The next day, Feb 28, Trump told the American people that the virus concern was a Democratic hoax.
"Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, “How’s President Trump doing?” They go, “Oh, not good, not good.” They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. "
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Richard Burr has expertise on pandemics.
The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act of 2019 (S. 1379) was introduced in the Senate by Richard Burr on May 8, 2019 . On May 15, the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions passed the bill by unanimous consent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemic_and_All-Hazards_Preparedness_and_Advancing_Innovation_Act
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related
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/19/818192535/burr-recording-sparks-questions-about-private-comments-on-covid-19
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-charleston-south-carolina-rally-transcript-february-28-2020
https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/trump-offers-coronavirus-update-one-day-it-will-be-like-a-miracle-it-will-disappear/
Richard Burr didnt tell the people of this country or his own state that the situation would get bad, he told a private business group of supporters.
Burr seems to have known, through his understanding of pandemics as the chairman of the Senate committee that deals with that topic, what the situation was. But the president of the United States did not. Trump wanted to put the topic under the carpet.
Trump, Liar in Chief, had made light of the entire affair until Monday's speech. HIS economy, as he has ALWAYS stated, was going to take a serious hit, so rather than accept it, as thinking people KNOW it's not actually all his fault, as presidents can only impact the economy so much, he chose to LIE, as usual, so as to downplay the seriousness of the Corona Virus. Advising the opposite of what the Experts were saying.
Now he claims he knew it was a pandemic befoew WHO ...
i'm thinking Cindi Lew told him.
Cindy Lew Who from WHOville.
Then, as his Hands grew 10 times the size of his 100 size too small pair, finally grew,
a pear, and stated the Truth for once, leaving him attempting
to show that he truly did care, while i don't
Be leave he does.
What a friiggin Loser potUS !
Now we will be called "haters".
And fake news hucksters seeing as how Burr clearly warned the American people back on Feb. 7th.
good
lol.
Based on your comment, you clearly didn't actually READ the Feb. 7th Op/Ed.
Burr 'clearly' had some pretty high expectations of HHS's preparedness and competency. In hindsight, I can't imagine that he or Alexander would say that the HHS has lived up to it's mandate.
Here is an interesting statement from the Op/Ed:
GREAT! Now we know who's is responsible for this debacle. Of course, nobody in the general public knows who the fuck he is nor has any of us seen this guy in any of the press conferences that they've held.
The truth is what it is regarding that.
All the sources used here are questionable at best to neutral observers as well as conservatives.
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This was in an op ed from Burr on Feb. 7th.
Americans are rightfully concerned about the coronavirus -- there are 12 confirmed cases of this new infectious disease in the United States, and the ability of the virus to rapidly spread in China, where it has infected more than 24,300 people and left 491 dead, is alarming.
That op-ed is pro administration spin.
In other words, it’s the truth. Trump’s critics on this issue are nothing more than useful idiot mouthpieces of the Chinese Communist Party.
tRumo is branding himself the "War Time " President". Yes, in the fashion of Benito Mussolini except less competent.
So, John...I've asked you many, many times in the past to post one seed that you have seeded over the years that is anti Trump that has come out to be true, and so far you have yet to be able to do it.
Think you can do it now?
I'm not frightened for my self. Even though I am over 60, I have full faith I would get through a bout with this and come out on the other side.
I am scared for the future of this country. We need much better leadership.
I've done so many times.
Bugsy, I dont care what you think. Do you understand that?
From the team of "Experts" - the CDC -
U.S. Influenza cases 10/1/19 - 3/19/20 - Affected - 36,000,000 - 51,000,000; deaths - 22,000 - 55,000
Coronavirus cases 10/1/19 - 3/19/20 - Affected - 8,317; deaths - 140
Quite a bit of difference, ya think?
Since I've already had the flu for six weeks - I ain't too worried.
Nice choice of dates for comparison, there. You think maybe including, what, almost 4 months before coronavirus was reported in the US, maybe skewed the results just a bit?
Maybe you ought to be worried that you've had the flu for six weeks. Get well soon.
Thanks John - yeah, the flu is gone - just an occasional nose dribble - but, hell, it's "winter" down here in NM and the flowers are starting to bloom, so I'll get restocked on allergy stuff. What a life, eh?
The CDC website just breaks it down starting 1 Oct - beginning of the fiscal year I guess.
I get it. It's just not a very good comparison. A more valid one would compare flu deaths from the same date as when coronavirus was first reported, which was January 20th, IIRC.
Actually 1st... You should be more concerned now after having the flu. Your immune system is being taxed, and might bring less than it's best if it had to fight a war on two fronts.
Secondly, there are viral treatments for most strains of flu and your body has some previous immunity to fight it. (the fact that having it for six weeks, and you're still functioning supports my point.)
This is a new virus, and nobody has an immunity to it from what I understand. Secondly, and most critical is that it has a respiratory facet that can become viral pneumonia that seems to be deadly.
I'd like to think you're going to be here to keep calling me a liberal-pinko, and if I can help in your clarity of thought to accomplish that my friend, then I will.
Think about it, screw the political talking points, stay smart like I know your are, and stay healty!
Fly..
Fly my friend - as usual, great points.
But, you know I always like to look outside the envelope, so here's another caveat. Went to my Cardiologist last Friday to see when I needed to be scheduled for my annual nuclear stress test and 90 minute CT chest scan. I hate going to this person - and I also love it - 'cause there's always "something else" that needs to be done.
Well, after the EKG, a lot of chest pounding/listening and pulse taking, she sat back in her chair with a very, very strong look of disbelief. I looked at her and said "wassup" and she just shook her head. "Ya know W2, you amaze and concern me. You are in remarkably good condition considering what we've put you through. That being said, I don't wanna see you for another year and that'll be just for an office visit. Concerned? How did you survive your attack and how have you survived the flu for six weeks? Also, keep doing that golf thingy like you are 'cause, obviously, it's helping."
Told her it's 'cause I'm Chickasaw and we just don't quit and that I've never made a hole-in-one, to which she gave out a huge belly laugh. "Well, keep it up and we'll see ya next year."
With fingers crossed and bow at the ready - gonna be here to piss a lotta folks on NT off for a long time and to keep our wonderful banter continually flowing.
Thanks Fly.
Wait till you get my bill...…!
Speaking of bills - heard an interesting fact yesterday. Did you know that there are more airplanes in the ocean than there are ships in the sky?
Who woulda known, eh?
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I posted something yesterday that stated that the coronavirus was first detected in the US in mid January, so from then to now, with 150 deaths, it is averaged at 2.5 deaths a day.
In contrast, the flu started in August. With that in mind, there have been an estimated 10000 deaths from then to early February, an estimated 230 days. The DAILY death rate of the flu virus is about 50 people.
A big difference,.
I hope it continues to stay so low. I fear that it won't.
But Italy's experience is vastly different; I believe they are up to 350 deaths per day?
41,000 cases that we know of, 3400 deaths confirmed. That's over 8%.
That's what we need to avoid.
So do I. I believe that our government has done a good job of keeping this to the best minimum they can, from federal to local. One exception is DeBlasio complaining that the federal government is not doing enough for NYC.
I think he needs to do 2 things. 1. Look at his own actions and when he first took action and 2. He should go to Cuomo first before he cries about fed help.
....more airplanes in the ocean than there are ships in the sky?
Oh gravity...... Thou art a heartless bitch!
It makes total sense. How's your health today 1st?
Going to the driving range this morning - got a tournament tomorrow. Glad to get outta da house 'cause Granma, Ma-in-law, wife and 8 cats is DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!
In other words - doing great Fly - thanks for asking.
BTW - didn't you say you're stateside for some reason?
Yep..... Moved back from Germany in early December after eight years between Finland and Germany. Happy to be back. We miss our friends there, the food, and of course the beer, but we're home now.
Home is now in Illinois, but working out of a plant in Connecticut.
Good luck with the little white ball! May the Golf gods be with you!
(8 cats.....! What, are you keeping them around for times of famine, or is that what the ma-in-law is for?/s)
Glad you're back and safe - don't be a stranger.
Nobody stranger than me and you know it. I keep telling you... I'm one of the few they would let off the boat!
Stay healthy my friend! and..... "Be the ball!"
Likewiae. And in addition, I am taking practical, concrete steps to build up my immune system.
55-56% of the public supports the President and his handling of this issue. It’s time for the people of the country to unite in our conflict with this Chinese import Wuhan virus.
Most people are not interested in your ceaseless pro-Trump propaganda.
Have you been praying for the virus to go away? Why hasnt it worked yet?
The golf courses here remain open but they are taking precautions such as only one person per cart.
Pretty much the same here. They've taken out the ball washers, turned off the water fountains, taken out the "Cans Only" trash receptacles, no food is distributed by the restaurant to the course, the Course Marshal's who carried a 5 gallon thermos has put those up, and no cups distributed by the cart personnel. They are also debating on the sales of drinks from the cart personnel or any type of snacks.
From the Op/Ed:
SURE IT DID.
Obviously it DID NOT ensure that we were prepared.
Demonstrably FALSE.
Ya, that's why Trump told governors to procure ventilators on their own and why nurses and doctors are using makeshift masks.
Today's CDC update: Total cases: 10,442 Total deaths: 150
Then whoever 'designed' it should be shot.
There are liars, damnable liars and then there is tRump [Deleted]
If anyone who just watched that disgraceful PC he held still support him, then they need to get psych tested because they are not playing with a full deck.
tRump keeps digging a hole that is burying him and the GOP. He LIED to the American people about Covid 19 and is now trying to brand himself as a War TIme President. Except he only thought of this three days ago. So much for him being a steward of our economy more like the Captain on the Titanic,
FACT CHECK: DID TRUMP CALL THE CORONAVIRUS A ‘HOAX’ AT HIS SOUTH CAROLINA RALLY?
Politico published an article claiming President Donald Trump called the novel coronavirus a “hoax” at his Feb. 28 campaign rally in South Carolina.
Verdict: False
Trump referred to the alleged “politicizing” of the coronavirus by Democrats as “their new hoax.” He did not refer to the coronavirus itself as a hoax. Throughout the speech, Trump reiterates his administration is taking the threat of the coronavirus seriously.
That truth won't matter one little bit to the TDS-infected folks.
None the less, it was Trump politicizing the virus.
Yes I remember that.
And let's not forget what Sean Hannity said (and for those wanting to deny it, I saw Hannity say it, live, on Faux News when it happened!)
The thing to remember the next time you listen to Trump speak is: He is doing this "Alt-Right" concept of being conservatively nasty, crude, and rude crafed with a line of plausible deniability.
It's a type of game Trump and his ALT Right conservatives partners are comfortable playing. He makes wildly stupid and outrageous statements and when the words are parsed, he always insist that the "other" innocuous meaning is the correct way to process his statements..Trump does it all the time, which are why his speeches are always mealymouthed and excessively wordy.
Taking it seriously, really? He still insists on shaking hands with people, him and Pense because that is what "politicians do".
And that is your problem with him?
I wish it were the only problem.
It seems Burr is not a patriot who wants to serve the people of the country by going public with his concerns and his experience. He turned out to be just another lousy republican.
Hogwash.
Hogwash? How so?
This too. Senator Burr, his wife and a few of his close friends dumped a bunch of stocks and other investments within a matter of days when he learned of the COVID19 trajectory probabilities.
All four of the senators need to be investigated for insider trading and charges brought if the evidence points to the same.
Yes and NOT by the Senate 'Ethics' Committee. The FTC should investigate. Loeffler's husband is the chairman of the NY Stock Exchange FFS.
No kidding. They would probably say, just don't do it again, mmnkay...
How convenient...
Thanks for mentioning that. I heard that on teh news this morning and was trying to connect him with this seed.
Pretty much what Trump said today when the only name he could remember was Diane Feinstein (D) whose assets are in a blind trust. Her husband made lots of trades recently.
Imahofe (R) says he never attended the Senate briefing and doesn't manage his stock portfolio.
Burr (R) (the fiercest opponent of the Stock Act of 2012) and his wife dumped 33 stocks.
Loeffler (R) a former international Exchange executive who is married to the current head of the New York Stock Exchange dumped $3million worth of stocks, potentially exposing both herself and her husband to regulatory and criminal investigations.
The POTUS dismissed the question of impropriety or investigations,
stating that they were all smart and honorable people...
This is not Diane's first rodeo with this. For shame.
Yes-- and if I'm not mistaken that story just broke yesterday. And there's a lot more going to be uncovered in the next few days (well, actually in the next few hours). This is news of major importance. Stay tuned...
This will be lost in the Trumpian flotsam of new crap every minute just like the Khashoggi assassination.
Besides, as a general rule republicans usually have a better chance of skating through things like this. Feinstein's husband did the sell offs, but don't be surprised if she is the one forced to testify under oath at the behest of the GOP inquisition.