CDC suggests nurses use bandanas, scarves during face mask shortage

  
Via:  larry-hampton  •  2 months ago  •  93 comments

CDC suggests nurses use bandanas, scarves during face mask shortage
CDC acknowledges recommendations are out of step with U.S. standards of care

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As the national shortage of face masks becomes severe, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says nurses can use bandanas and scarves as makeshift masks when caring for COVID-19 patients — although it’s unclear whether they would protect medical workers. 

The CDC says that option should be used “as a last resort” and only when the hospital nearly depletes its supply and experiences a crush of COVID-19 patients, reaching “crisis capacity.” The CDC acknowledges that its recommendations are out of step with standards of care in the United States.

Nurses and other health care providers can “use homemade masks (e.g., bandana, scarf) for care of patients with COVID-19,” the  CDC website now reads . The agency says in the next sentence that the homemade masks’ capability to protect health care providers against the coronavirus-caused disease “is unknown.”


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Larry Hampton
1  seeder  Larry Hampton    2 months ago

The change comes just one week after the CDC downgraded its guidance around the use of N95 masks, also referred to as “respirators,” that can filter out viruses like the one that causes COVID-19. The agency began recommending that nurses use surgical masks, which don’t provide a barrier to airborne viruses but do shield against droplets.

But surgical masks also have started to be depleted from hospital shelves. The updated CDC guidance last week recommending that nurses wear surgical masks dramatically drained supply, according to Mark Parkinson, president of the American Health Care Association and National Center for Assisted Living, an association of thousands of nursing homes and other health care facilities.

“The CDC guidance came out telling people not to use N95 masks. That helps with the supply of N95s, but it puts a greater burden on the supply of surgical masks,” Parkinson said in a call with reporters Wednesday.

 
 
 
Kavika
2  Kavika     2 months ago

FUBAR

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3  Nerm_L    2 months ago

So, why aren't the respirators being disinfected and reused? 

Come on, folks, this isn't business as usual.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.1  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 months ago

They do reuse them.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2  MUVA  replied to  Nerm_L @3    2 months ago

Why isn’t there a stock pile in place in case there was a pandemic?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @3.2    2 months ago

There is but they just only released it. It takes a specific order. Still not enough for the size of this country.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.2  Nerm_L  replied to  MUVA @3.2    2 months ago
Why isn’t there a stock pile in place in case there was a pandemic?

There is a stockpile.  But the stockpile is in the garbage.  Reclaim them.

We have to overcome the 'business as usual' thinking of use once and discard.  I realize businesses have promoted the idea that resources are disposable because they're cheap; it's how they keep their factories running.   But this isn't business as usual.  It may cost more to disinfect and reuse the respirators but that's the resource that's available.  That's the stockpile that's available.

Hospitals don't discard ventilators after they are used.  The ventilators are disinfected and reused.  The sheets on beds are reused.  But that decision is based on cost; it's cheaper to reuse those resources than discard them.  If it's possible to disinfect and reuse other resources then its certainly possible to disinfect and reuse respirators; disinfection is a proven method.  Don't let accountants place medical personnel at risk.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.3  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.2    2 months ago

Again Nerm, they do reuse respirators. Any of them that can be sterilized, refitted with new filters, or otherwise made clean again, are reused.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.3    2 months ago
Again Nerm, they do reuse respirators. Any of them that can be sterilized, refitted with new filters, or otherwise made clean again, are reused.

Then why the shortage?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.5  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.4    2 months ago

Simple supply and demand.

The demand is higher than the supply by many multiples. There are hospitals in the US that have already used an entire 6 months supply in days.

Btw, it's the same with doctors, nurses, technicians...etc. Simply not enough to go around.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.5    2 months ago
Simple supply and demand.

The demand is higher than the supply by many multiples. There are hospitals in the US that have already used an entire 6 months supply in days.

Btw, it's the same with doctors, nurses, technicians...etc. Simply not enough to go around.

So, medical personnel burned through a six month supply in six weeks.  That six month supply is in the garbage.  Harvest that resource.

There isn't any way to maintain a sufficiently large stockpile when medical personnel discard the resource as such a rate.  If a six month stockpile is depleted in six weeks then a stockpile of a 2 year supply would only last six months.  And based on the history of pandemics in the United States that 2 year stockpile would only be needed every 100 years.

The problem isn't lack of a stockpile, the problem is standard operating procedures that burned through the supply so quickly.  

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.7  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.6    2 months ago

Again, any respirators that can be cleaned and reused, are. 

When you say "harvest" do you mean pull from the garbage? Are you saying not to throw away used equipment that cannot be cleaned? If that is what you mean then you haven't a clue how microorganism and protection from such, works.

Having worked in Hospital labs and ER's for over 25 years (Lab Technologist), I can tell you that those pieces of personal protective equipment are life saving, and many of them are done once they are used. To attempt to reuse them, no matter the cleaning technique, is unsafe and guaranteed to fail. 

Are you suggesting that medical professionals put themselves, their patients and families at risk? That risk will turn to tragedy in no time flat, if they reuse stuff that isn't safe to use in that way.

Yes, the issue is lack of stock, not irresponsible usage. Saying such is either ignorant, or ignoring the reality of our present situation. 

If it makes you feel safer though, by all means, go down to your local hospital and pull some old surgery masks out of the garbage, and wear them.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.7    2 months ago
When you say "harvest" do you mean pull from the garbage? Are you saying not to throw away used equipment that cannot be cleaned? If that is what you mean then you haven't a clue how microorganism and protection from such, works.

Why can't they be disinfected?  Do they degrade under ultraviolet light?  Aren't they resistant to alcohol?  If alcohol based hand sanitizer doesn't work then why is it being used?

Current reports are that the COVID-19 virus remains active on porous surfaces for a matter of hours.  Time, alone, would do most of the work of disinfecting the masks.

Standard operating procedure is to dispose of masks between patients.  Instead of disposing of the mask, collect them for reuse later.

Having worked in Hospital labs and ER's for over 25 years (Lab Technologist), I can tell you that those pieces of personal protective equipment are life saving, and many of them are done once they are used. To attempt to reuse them, no matter the cleaning technique, is unsafe and guaranteed to fail. 

Having been certified for HAZMAT work with level A protection don't try to bullshit me about safety gear.  Yes, safety gear can be life saving as long as the gear is used properly.  And, yes, safety gear can be cleaned and reused, it's done all the time.  Having to piss in your boot doesn't mean you throw the boot away.  

If it makes you feel safer though, by all means, go down to your local hospital and pull some old surgery masks out of the garbage, and wear them.

And that is why medical personnel are not very bright concerning safety and protection.  That's why we repeatedly see hospitals playing catch-up when an infection begins to spread in the facility.  That's why hospitals are currently overwhelmed with so few patients.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @3.2    2 months ago

I heard today that one of the auto manufacturers are now assembling respirators instead of cars to help out.  I bought the cutest little mask today made from fabric.  I am using it when I ride my scooter to keep my face warm.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.10  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.8    2 months ago

The ones that can be disinfected are being cleaned. Gp ahead and try and disinfect a piece of equipment that isn't supposed to be and see what happens.  The sterilization process itself, ruins much of the material that it is built outta, rendering it unsafe. Yes, alcohol, and other cleansers will retard the capabilities of the materials.You try and clean a surgical mask and/or it falls apart/mis-shapes. Try and clean a non-reusable respirator with chemicals and it degrades the material making it unreliable. Try and sterilize a non-reusable respirator with heat and it melts. Just how do you plan on sterilizing these masks and respirators? If it could be done, it would be done. 

And that is why medical personnel are not very bright concerning safety and protection.  That's why we repeatedly see hospitals playing catch-up when an infection begins to spread in the facility.  That's why hospitals are currently overwhelmed with so few patients.

What are you talking about?! I was being facetious in case you didn't notice. First you said this was being done by accountants. Now you are saying that hospitals are being overwhelmed because the medical professionals are not bright or concerned for safety?  Ppphhhhttt; that's ridiculous. But go ahead and blame the medical community if it distracts from rump's failures.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.10    2 months ago

If I'm not mistaken I believe most of those N95 and surgical masks are made out of paper.

Respirators made from rubber are easily cleaned after each use, but these are respirators used by painters and other workers who are exposed to vapors and particles.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.12  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.8    2 months ago

And, yes, safety gear can be cleaned and reused, it's done all the time.

Have you done that Nerm? How have you accomplished this? Have you followed regulations and safety protocols in doing so? Have you done official work with that equipment? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.13  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.12    2 months ago
Have you done that Nerm? How have you accomplished this? Have you followed regulations and safety protocols in doing so? Have you done official work with that equipment? 

Yes.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.14  Nerm_L  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.11    2 months ago
If I'm not mistaken I believe most of those N95 and surgical masks are made out of paper.

No, that's not true for an N95.  The mask, itself, provides an airtight seal if properly fitted.  The mask, itself, is not permeable.  The mask must be water proof to provide adequate protection; otherwise sweat would compromise the mask and the airtight seal.  The air intake is through a small filter fitted into the mask.  That's why it's called a respirator.

The mask and filter must also withstand non-aggressive organics, such as alcohol.  Otherwise the mask could not be used in a medical environment.  Pouring alcohol through the filter will disinfect the filter without damaging it; that's a requirement.  And alcohol evaporates without leaving a residue.  Alcohol would degrade the rubber bands used to attach the respirator to the face.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.15  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.13    2 months ago

In your esteemed expertise then, how are you assured of the efficacy? How do you know they are safe? Have they been fully investigated for such? Have the places you used this equipment been notified that the hazmat team is not in compliance?

As well, what respirators are you referring to? How exactly have you bypassed manufacturers recommendations and state/federal regulations to do so? This is information that the medical community desperately needs. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.16  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.14    2 months ago

How do you know all this and people in our nation's hospitals do not? 

I tend to be suspect of people who claim knowledge that masses of people in a relevant field do not have. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.15    2 months ago

One important addition to your respiratory protection plan should be  reuse  of  N95  respirators during a shortage. The OSHA directive indicates that a  respirator can  be  reused  as long as it "maintains its structural and functional integrity and the filter material is not physically damaged or soiled."

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.18  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.17    2 months ago

That is exactly what hospitals and ER’s all over the country are doing. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.14    2 months ago

If it's not made out of paper what is it made out of?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.20  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.16    2 months ago
How do you know all this and people in our nation's hospitals do not?  I tend to be suspect of people who claim knowledge that masses of people in a relevant field do not have. 

Because my life depended upon knowing.  How many time have you been required to undergo weekly blood tests?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.21  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.8    2 months ago
Standard operating procedure is to dispose of masks between patients.  Instead of disposing of the mask, collect them for reuse later.

SOP has become, put the respirator on and do not take it off until the end of your shift. Medical employees have been following proper procedure and hospital policy. Remember, these are FITTED masks, not made to remove and put back on. The elastic bands stretch out and don't allow for a proper fit over time. 

 
 
 
squiggy
3.2.22  squiggy  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.14    2 months ago

I've worked with all of these people, at some point.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.23  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.20    2 months ago

That only means that you haven’t contracted an illness. That could be because exposure was low, there was nothing there, you were exposed but it didn’t show on testing, or pure luck. It does not mean at all that the equipment is safe. You have no idea how the respirators would work with coronavirus. Where is the testing and research to prove that (besides your considerable “experience”). 
Again, if you are using (reusing) masks/respirators, which ones are you speaking about? How do you make them usable again, and how do you get past regulatory practices to do such. The medical community needs that information!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.24  r.t..b...  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.23    2 months ago
Where is the testing

We have the factories, personnel, and distribution elements ready to roll...make it priority number one and tell us the truth as to when and where we can expect arrival to begin widespread testing. Everything else is meaningless at this point, as everything else is determined by the data that can only be garnered through the testing procedure.

'We'll see what happens' is neither an adequate answer nor a comfort to a country whose lives are now turned upside down.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.20    2 months ago
Because my life depended upon knowing. 

Thats not what I asked you, or more accurately, only part of what I asked you. 

You claim knowledge about these masks that the nation's hospitals, which use them on a regular basis, do not have. 

Don't you see the incongruity in that claim? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.26  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.23    2 months ago
You have no idea how the respirators would work with coronavirus.

Then how is it known that N95 respirators are effective?  Maybe an N99 is needed.  Maybe cartridge respirators are needed.  Maybe a positive pressure mask is needed.

N95 respirators specifically designed to be reusable are also available.  Are reusable N95 respirators less effective than disposable N95 respirators?  Are hospital staff prohibited from using a reusable N95 respirator?  How would disinfecting a reusable N95 respirator be any different than disinfecting a disposable N95 respirator?

Here is an example of a reusable N95 respirator.

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Again, if you are using (reusing) masks/respirators, which ones are you speaking about? How do you make them usable again, and how do you get past regulatory practices to do such. The medical community needs that information!

This is an example of a disposable N95 respirator.

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Why can't a disposable respirator be treated in the same manner as a reusable respirator?  Obviously the disposable respirator cannot be reused as often as one designed to be reused.  But a disposable respirator must still be robust enough to withstand more than one use.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.27  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.26    2 months ago
Maybe an N99 is needed.  Maybe cartridge respirators are needed.  Maybe a positive pressure mask is needed.

We are passed the point of maybe's. Mobilize our industries on a 24/7 basis to develop and deliver whatever our medical professionals require. Effective leadership is the only maybe right now as we continue to wait for even the most basic equipment to be delivered and testing to be implemented. 

 
 
 
squiggy
3.2.28  squiggy  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.27    2 months ago
Mobilize our industries

What industries? The ones the medical community forsook for Pakistan, India and China? With what workers? The ones thrown in the labor heap and left to fend on ten bucks an hour? Those workers owe no more than a collective, "Fuck you."

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.29  Nerm_L  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.27    2 months ago
We are passed the point of maybe's. Mobilize our industries to develop and deliver whatever the medical professionals require. Effective leadership is the only maybe right now as we continue to wait for the basic equipment and testing to be delivered and implemented. 

Honeywell has already doubled capacity.  I haven't heard what 3M is planning to produce but, I believe, 3M's capacity is larger than Honeywell.  3M has announced they are converting production lines to N95 production.  GE is looking at how to begin converting their filter production to production of masks.  Manufacturing should be doubled or tripled by next week.  GE coming online will increase production further.

The respirators are coming.  Hospitals need to take measures to use (and reuse) available resources for the next few days.  

Reusing a disposal respirator is certainly going to provide more protection than a bandana.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.30  r.t..b...  replied to  squiggy @3.2.28    2 months ago
Those workers owe no more than a collective, "Fuck you."

That could be the saddest commentary yet in a month of disappointing dialogue.

We are still neighbors and I believe are still willing to do whatever is necessary to fight the scourge before us, if only we had some direction and leadership.

Tell us what is needed and how it is to be accomplished and it will get done. It amazes me that our greatest resource...our resiliency and collective pride in our country is left untapped for lack of a single voice able to energize and utilize that strength. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.31  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.29    2 months ago
Reusing a disposal respirator is certainly going to provide more protection than a bandana.

Think of it as reusing a disposable diaper or pad........

They are meant for a certain number of hours filtration and absorption.  Not reuse.

Every time a DR mask is removed to eat or wash up and then reapplied,

it looses elasticity, shape and function.

In less than a day they are loose fitting and stop functioning as protection, all the while absorbing sweat, skin oil and the dust and pathogens that they were meant to filter until normal breathing becomes a chore.

Like construction workers and cowhands all around the world, I'll use a bandana.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.32  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.31    2 months ago
Think of it as reusing a disposable diaper or pad........

That's just stupid.  Think of it as reusing a McDonald's straw.

Every time a DR mask is removed to eat or wash up and then reapplied, it looses elasticity, shape and function.

That is simply not correct.  The weak point are the elastic bands.  Medical tape can ensure the mask stays in place but it hurts like hell peeling it off.

In less than a day they are loose fitting and stop functioning as protection, all the while absorbing sweat, skin oil and the dust and pathogens that they were meant to filter until normal breathing becomes a chore.

So, whining is going to fix it?  Reusing a disposable respirator will provide more protection than a bandana.  You know a bandana is more like an N20, don't you?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.33  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.26    2 months ago

Well just looking at those respirators, aren’t they made from different material? That is a key indicator as to how they are to be treated. 
Btw, I spoke with colleagues in Bismarck, Minot, Fargo, Devils Lake, James Town, Fergus Falls, Dickinson and Williston yesterday and today, just to ask them about this particular topic. ALL of the facilities they work in have no disposable respirators, they work with only reusable ones. They made that move years ago as the typical surgical mask do the job needed usually, and if it they aren’t appropriate, they go to a reusable respirator. 
They don’t even use single use respirators anymore except in ambulances. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.34  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.33    2 months ago
Well just looking at those respirators, aren’t they made from different material? That is a key indicator as to how they are to be treated. 

Yeah, reusable and disposable respirators are made of different materials. 

Btw, I spoke with colleagues in Bismarck, Minot, Fargo, Devils Lake, James Town, Fergus Falls, Dickinson and Williston yesterday and today, just to ask them about this particular topic. ALL of the facilities they work in have no disposable respirators, they work with only reusable ones. They made that move years ago as the typical surgical mask do the job needed usually, and if it they aren’t appropriate, they go to a reusable respirator. They don’t even use single use respirators anymore except in ambulances.

So, what's the gripe?

Here's some new reporting by the New York Times: Coronavirus in N.Y.: ‘Deluge’ of Cases Begins Hitting Hospitals   (Unfortunately it's trapped behind a paywall.  Very public minded, aren't they?)  Here's the relevant passage:

"In the Bronx, doctors at Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center say they have only a few remaining ventilators for patients who need them to breathe. In Brooklyn, doctors at Kings County Hospital Center say they are so low on supplies that they are reusing masks for up to a week, slathering them with hand sanitizer between shifts ."

Apparently the hospitals agree with what I suggested; disinfect the respirators and reuse them.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.35  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.34    2 months ago

Yeah they are made outta different materials, different materials, some that can stand up to sanitation some that can’t. You do realize that the disposable one you pictured would NOT stand up to any sterilization whatsoever don’t you? It is made of paper that degrades and breaks down almost immediately. One use and breath moisture itself starts to make the unit unsafe and susceptible, vulnerable to infiltration. 
Is that the unit you think medical staff should use?

In a week or two you have half of your staff not only unable to give care; but, they themselves, and their family, also now need care. 

Apparently some hospitals are resorting to third world tactics, because our own leadership (rump) has been behind the eightball from the get go...all of his own choosing. rump, months ago, could have started the production of respirators. He decided ( and proclaimed) that he had it all under control, and that he wasn’t concerned. 

So, now, we have folks, just like you, who have decided that the problem is medical staff who do not want to put themselves or their loved ones at risk by using unsafe, illegal, and stupidly maintained pieces of safety equipment.

Also recognized is the fact that you STILL have not answered exactly how you personally have sterilized said equipment or bypassed medical, manufacturers, state and federal regulations to do so. If you have truly accomplished this, then the  medical services you seem to be so concerned about, desperately need that information. 
I wonder, “why is that”? 
You have continued to respond in our conversation, why won’t you answer that one seemingly simple, but oh so important, question?

 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.36  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @3.2.35    2 months ago
It is made of paper that degrades and breaks down almost immediately

No, that is incorrect.  The mask shell is made of polystyrene and the filter is made of polypropylene.  Paper is not used for any components.

3M™ Particulate Respirator 8210, N95 - Technical Specification Sheet (Link opens a PDF)

Apparently some hospitals are resorting to third world tactics, because our own leadership (rump) has been behind the eightball from the get go...all of his own choosing. rump, months ago, could have started the production of respirators. He decided ( and proclaimed) that he had it all under control, and that he wasn’t concerned.

That is not correct. Here is a timeline for the coronavirus outbreak:

Coronavirus Outbreak Timeline Fast Facts - CNN

Note that the Trump administration formed a task force to monitor and contain the spread of COVID-19 eighteen days after the first reported death in China.  The task force was formed eight days after the first COVID-19 case was confirmed in the United States. The task force was formed before the first death reported in the United States.

The first case of COVID-19 in the United States was confirmed January 21. The first death outside China was reported on February 2.  The first death in the United States was reported on February 29.  

The outbreak of an unidentified respiratory disease in Wuhan China was reported 10 weeks ago.  It's been less than three months since all this started.

Why didn't hospitals begin ordering supplies months ago?  I realize the rapidity of events is difficult to comprehend but the interconnected global community completely collapsed in less than nine weeks.

Maybe Trump could have begun closing the borders a couple of weeks sooner.  Maybe Trump could have formed the task force one week sooner.  But claiming that Trump could have done more months sooner is so ludicrous to justify questioning the claimant's credibility.

Facts are facts.  The Trump administrations' response has been rapid. 

What would Joe Biden do?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
3.2.37  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.36    2 months ago

And cannot be safely sterilized. If it can be done, how?
You still have not explained how you have bypassed safety regulations, and federal/state laws to have done so. You say that it is vitally important to reuse these respirators, and have done so yourself; but, have failed to explain how exactly you have done so.What is your methodology?  Do you not want to help the medical community explore and use this strategy in such a perilous situation? It is extremely important that we have all possible information. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.38  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.36    2 months ago
Facts are facts. 

Facts are often biased.

The Trump administrations' response has been rapid. 

Facts are often just opinions.

What would Joe Biden do?

Nice deflection...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
3.2.39  Nerm_L  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.38    2 months ago
Nice deflection...

Yep, I agree.  Joe Biden is a deflection.  Bernie Sanders is soooooooo radical.

I mean, if Sanders was President, kids would start burning draft cards and bras, play music too loud, and pass around doobies.

Sure, what the country needs is The Man.  Mr. Conventional.  Even the right reverend John Birch would approve of Joe Biden.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Trump says "millions" of masks are being made as we speak. Too bad no one ever knows whether he is telling the truth or not. That in itself is reason to vote him out of office. 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago

Why wasn’t there millions in the system already just in case there was a pandemic like we are  having now.I looked at the mask we have in stock I sell mask 6800 and 7000 series mask full respirators.l removable cartridge.The cartridges have a expiration date but it is 4 years.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  MUVA @4.1    2 months ago
Why wasn’t there millions in the system already

First, it costs money to buy and store something.

Second, they go by statistical needs.   

Third, if they 'stockpile' millions, which later prove to be useless, you now have millions of useless pieces of PPE which need to be disposed of.

If you knew yesterday what you know today, would you have done something different yesterday?   Hindsight is always 20/20.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.2  MUVA  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    2 months ago

I talked to my rep from Land and sea the mask they are using could last in climate control warehouse for up to 6 years.The cartridges for my respirator can last up to 8 years if kept in the foil package they come and are kept in 105 f or below. 

 
 
 
squiggy
4.1.3  squiggy  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    2 months ago
First, it costs money to buy and store something.

Ah - the Just In Time monkey bares it's teeth. And the MBAs pocket the bonus.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 months ago

Still can't get a single mask mydamnself, which means I can't leave the house while on immunosuppressive chemotherapy.  Although I fully support the medical community having first dibs, I'm bored out of of my mind.  Or what's left of it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    2 months ago

I have a sister with MS that would like to be able to get one too.  They need to make these available to the public as well as medical professionals. 

Be careful Sister. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.2  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    2 months ago

Stay safe Sister!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.2.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Larry Hampton @5.2    2 months ago

I'm ok, Larry.  I really am.  When I start eating chocolate frosting straight from the can, which is my nutz-o-rama barometer... that will be the time to worry. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_114_smiley_image.png me.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.2.1    2 months ago

how about a cyber hug?

(((((Sister Mary Agnes))))

I know that won't keep you away from the frosting but now I got you thinking about cyber cooties.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.2.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.2    2 months ago
how about a cyber hug?

I'll take it!  

cyber cooties.

Ha!  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.2.3    2 months ago

just trying to lighten your mood

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
5.2.5  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.2.3    2 months ago

I'm trying to remain calm and uninfected so I can get some people pregnant after the corona-apocalypse.

Inspired by Rosie the Riveter, I have to do my part to rebuild this country. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
5.2.6  Snuffy  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.2.1    2 months ago
When I start eating chocolate frosting straight from the can

Wait...   This is wrong?   Well F*&^ ME!!!!   I thought that was just a normal way to end the day.  

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
5.2.7  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.6    2 months ago

I like to put a little chocolate frosting on toilet paper and leave it on the bathroom floor.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.6    2 months ago

Me too!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.2.9  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2.4    2 months ago

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The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
5.2.10  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.2.9    2 months ago

Would you like to see my hamster?

 
 
 
pat wilson
5.3  pat wilson  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    2 months ago

Hang in there and be safe !

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.3.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  pat wilson @5.3    2 months ago

Thanks, Pat.  I'm just bored and looking for mischief.  Any ideas?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.3.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3.1    2 months ago

Well - ya gotta phone - call someone and ask if their refrigerator is running.  If they say yeah, tell'm they better go catch it.

That'll keep ya busy for 'bout an hour or so.jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.3.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  1stwarrior @5.3.2    2 months ago
Well - ya gotta phone - call someone and ask if their refrigerator is running.

Hang on, I'll try it now.

*edit*  I just prank-texted a completely random number.  I received a reply that said, "No, but I have Prince Albert in a can."  True story.  

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.3.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3.3    2 months ago

Pop the top - I'll smoke it.

 
 
 
devangelical
5.3.5  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3.3    2 months ago

a bad idea in the era of caller ID, somebody told me so...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3.3    2 months ago

I don't suppose you have any pets, do you? You could always dress them up and take photos then humiliate the beasties on NT by posting them here

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
5.3.7  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.6    2 months ago

I don't want to think about my pets as we may have to eat one of them. We are all China now.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.3.8  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.6    2 months ago
You could always dress them up and take photos then humiliate the beasties on NT by posting them here

Your wish is my command.  

256

And make no mistake, that is her 'I'm going to kick your ass' look.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.3.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.3.8    2 months ago

Awww...she's sweet! Give her a doggo snack and she may be in a better mood

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    2 months ago

Stay away from everyone Sister Mary. My sister is in the same boat since she takes an immunosuppressant.

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
5.4.1  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.4    2 months ago

I tell people I have gonorrhea of the lip when i don't want to be bothered.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.4.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen" @5.4.1    2 months ago

Yeah. that would do it. I was going to post a pic, and grossed myself out.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    2 months ago
Still can't get a single mask mydamnself, which means I can't leave the house while on immunosuppressive chemotherapy. 

Keep an eye on the hardware stores.  We got one from the paint supply area days after this looked like it was going to turn.  They are currently sold out (at least they were 4 days ago), but their stock is being replenished.  Since they are not considered as "medical supplies" but work just as well with a 95 rating, they may last a little longer on the shelves.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.5.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ozzwald @5.5    2 months ago

They are back-ordered.  However, the department manager guy offered to let me borrow his son's Darth Vader bike helmet.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.5.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.5.1    2 months ago

People will then steer clear of you!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.5.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.5.1    2 months ago

However, the department manager guy offered to let me borrow his son's Darth Vader bike helmet.

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Cathar
6  Cathar    2 months ago

This is the GOP Kid Rock solution.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    2 months ago

"The CDC says that option should be used “as a last resort” and only when the hospital nearly depletes its supply and experiences a crush of COVID-19 patients, reaching “crisis capacity.” 

What the Heck. Not a bad idea at all. "Something" ..... can be better than …… "Nothing", especially when there are "Selfish Hoarders" in this world !

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1  devangelical  replied to  It Is ME @7    2 months ago

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It Is ME
7.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  devangelical @7.1    2 months ago
in that case, I recommend these items for trumpsters

Why ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.1    2 months ago
Why ?

Veiled death wishing....................................

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago

go stock up on a sense of humor...

 
 
 
The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"
7.1.4  The People's Fish, Still "Hand Of The Queen"  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.2    2 months ago

Checking his zipcode for abductions.....

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1.5  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @7.1    2 months ago

I can only imagine the number of emotional PN's to the RA that comment spawned. oops

 
 
 
zuksam
8  zuksam    2 months ago

I could make some nice masks with my sewing machine, I wonder if the CDC has any recommendations on what type of cloth would work best. If you make a bunch you could change masks every so often and then wash them all at the end of each day. Another idea they have some sweet Spiderman masks on Amazon for under 10 bucks that look a lot better than a bandana and have eye protection, they even have the black Spiderman. Just cut up some old T shirts to use as replaceable filters and slip them under the mask.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
8.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @8    2 months ago

try linen

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9  Paula Bartholomew    2 months ago

I have to wonder if the surviorists who are known for stockpiling are laughing their asses off at all of this panic buying.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9    2 months ago
I have to wonder if the surviorists who are known for stockpiling are laughing their asses off at all of this panic buying.

First, we're called "preppers".  We prepare for what we hope never happens.  Most are supplies for natural disaster situations, food, water, medicines, fuel etc., and the means to protect those supplies from others that believe what we've put away for family and friends is in some way theirs for the taking.

And while we're not laughing, we are amused at the panic we're seeing, especially from those that laugh at us.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    2 months ago

The issue I have with preppers is when things have deteriorated to the point where all this special preparation would be actually needed the society would have deteriorated to the point of extreme general chaos already.  The likelihood of that is tiny. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.1    2 months ago
The issue I have with preppers is when things have deteriorated to the point where all this special preparation would be actually needed the society would have deteriorated to the point of extreme general chaos already.

I guess you've never been a situation like those that survived Katrina experienced.  Yeah, there was such great government help available then right?   How about other NATURAL catastrophes where power and water sources have been been destroyed and normal routines been totally disrupted.   It needs not be nationally, but can easily be a fairly long term local situation.

 
 
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