In unprecedented move, Treasury orders Trump’s name printed on stimulus checks
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.
The unprecedented decision, finalized late Monday, means that when recipients open the $1,200 paper checks the IRS is scheduled to begin sending to 70 million Americans in coming days, “President Donald J. Trump” will appear on the left side of the payment.
It will be the first time a president’s name appears on an IRS disbursement, whether a routine refund or one of the handful of checks the government has issued to taxpayers in recent decades either to stimulate a down economy or share the dividends of a strong one.
Treasury officials disputed that the checks would be delayed.
While some people receiving the checks — the centerpiece of the U.S. government’s economic relief package to stave of the effects of the coronavirus pandemic — may not care, or observe, whose name appears on them, the decision is another sign of Trump’s effort to cast his response to the pandemic in political terms.
Trump had privately suggested to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who oversees the IRS, to allow the president to formally sign the checks, according to three administration officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.
But the president is not an authorized signer for legal disbursements by the U.S. Treasury. It is standard practice for a civil servant to sign checks issued by the Treasury Department to ensure that government payments are nonpartisan.
The checks will instead bear Trump’s name in the memo line, below a line that reads, “Economic Impact Payment,” the administration officials said.
The IRS will mail the checks to people for whom it does not have banking information. Many of them have low incomes.
The checks will carry the signature of an official with the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, the Treasury Department division that prints the checks. The checks will follow direct deposits issued in recent days to the bank accounts of about 80 million people. Those payments do not include Trump’s name.
The decision to have the paper checks bear Trump’s name, in the works for weeks, according to a Treasury official, was announced early Tuesday to the IRS’s information technology team. The team, working from home, is now racing to implement a programming change that two senior IRS officials said will probably lead to a delay in issuing the first batch of paper checks. They are scheduled to be sent Thursday to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service for printing and issuing.
Computer code must be changed to include the president’s name, and the system must be tested, these officials said. “Any last minute request like this will create a downstream snarl that will result in a delay,” said Chad Hooper, a quality-control manager who serves as national president of the IRS’s Professional Managers Association.
A Treasury Department representative, however, denied any delay and said the plan all along was to issue the checks next week.
“Economic Impact Payment checks are scheduled to go out on time and exactly as planned—there is absolutely no delay whatsoever,” the representative said in a written statement. She said this was a faster process than the stimulus checks the George W. Bush administration issued in 2008 to head off a looming recession.
“In fact, we expect the first checks to be in the mail early next week which is well in advance of when the first checks went out in 2008 and well in advance of initial estimates,” the statement said.
An IRS representative referred questions to the Treasury Department.
The paper checks are scheduled to be issued at a rate of 5 million each week until September, starting with the lowest-income taxpayers.
Trump has repeatedly called the legislation “a Trump administration initiative” and placed himself singularly at the center of what the government is doing to help Americans during the coronavirus response — taking full credit.
About six months before he faces reelection, with his campaign on pause because the virus has prevented him from holding the rallies that are popular with his base, the checks provide Trump with a new form of retail politics. A check provides a touchable, bread-and-butter symbol to taxpayers right in their mailboxes.
But to critics and some IRS employees, many of whom started to learn of the decision on Tuesday, the presence of Trump’s name on the checks reeks of partisanship in a corner of the government that touches all Americans and has, since the Nixon era, steadfastly steered clear of politics. After President Richard Nixon targeted a wide range of “enemy” groups for tax audits, including civil rights groups, reporters and prominent Democrats, Congress enacted laws to ensure that the agency conducts itself apolitically.
“Taxes are supposed to be nonpolitical, and it’s that simple,” said Nina Olson, who stepped down last fall after an 18-year tenure as the National Taxpayer Advocate, leading an arm of the IRS that helps individual taxpayers resolve tax problems, manages clinics for low-income taxpayers and advises the agency on service issues.
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Honesty requires us to remind everyone that Donald Trump is a piece of shit.
Last week Trump was asked if his name was going to appear on the checks. He lied and said he had never thought of anything like that. This is would not be being done if it was not Trump's desire and command.
From your "story" link...................
Didn't say he didn't want his name on them. He said "sign them". Tricky wording by the "source" no?
If tRump hadn't disassembled the pandemic response team that President Obama put in place and ignored all warnings about covid 19 things wouldn't be so FUBAR would they? There wouldn't have been a need for this stimulus
Sorry but that dog won't hunt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-didnt-warn-public-of-likely-pandemic-for-6-key-days/ar-BB12DU9q?li=BBnb7Kz#image=BB12DU9q_1|1
And the first US case was in Washington State on January 22nd.
I know you say you don't read links so I posted the relevant part of the article.
You're welcome
I didn't read your post either other than to scroll through so no thank you.
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I prefer truth and facts over tRump ass kisser comments.
Actually it's time to put you and him on ignore.
Toodles
Annnnnd we have a [ runner...........(Deleted). But you be you. ]
Red, bolded, and enlarged just in case you missed that part
Obviously you didn't read what he actually said............
Black, bolded, and enlarged in case you missed his ACTUAL words in reply..........he didn't say he didn't want his name on them. He said he didn't want to sign them. It was a nice twist by the author though.
I did read that part, What does his not wanting to actually sign them have to do with having his name on the actual checks themselves?
Hint....NOT A GODDAMNED THING
Can't think of an instance when I believed Trump about anything.
Exactly! He can deny wanting to have his name on those checks but I think he DID want his name on them. His ego is on over drive these days
Lol, what difference does that make? The jackass LIES about EVERYTHING. And of course he wanted his name on the checks, to say anything else is ludicrous - he literally wants his name on everything (except responsibility). Why do you believe a pathological liar? And don't expect anybody else to. Especially when his actions are exactly what he always does - Trump Trump Trump. He loves seeing his name and wants to make sure everybody else does too, even if they have to wait longer for their help.
Well he did say republicans will lose if people are able to mail in their vote
If the fucking question was do you want your name on the checks, he would have said no......he figured the only way to do that was to sign them so he said no he didn't want to sign them. SMMFH
you don't make any sense
I can explain it but I can't make you understand it. sorry.
You're not explaining anything except in some Just Jim's world language.
Buzz off
Why Vote-by-Mail Could be a Legal Nightmare in November
But while absentee ballots can help keep people safe and expand voting access, they come with a drawback: a greater chance of litigation. Simply put, there are more things that can go wrong with vote-by-mail compared with in-precinct voting. And history shows that a major fight over an election’s outcome is more likely to come in the form of challenges to absentee ballots.
This doesn’t mean states shouldn’t make the shift to vote-by-mail. But in addition to hiring and training enough staff to be able to handle new procedures and ordering enough supplies and equipment, states — and Congress — must prepare for the increased risk of disputes over the results of the November election.
What can go so wrong with absentee voting? When you go to a neighborhood polling place, you meet face-to-face with a poll worker who signs you in and then lets you cast a ballot that immediately joins the pool of ballots to be counted after the polls close. True, there might be a problem when you interact with the poll worker: For example, a question about your signature compared with the one in the poll book. But those problems usually can be sorted out as part of the face-to-face interaction. Once you’ve satisfied the poll worker that you are qualified to vote and you get an ordinary ballot to cast, you no longer can become unqualified or your ballot left uncounted.
By contrast, voting by mail requires additional steps, all of which are susceptible to problems that do not exist when voting in person. First, the voter needs to get the absentee ballot in time to send it back by the required deadline. Administrative delay at the local election office, or a postal problem, can cause the voter not to receive the ballot with enough time for its return. This has turned out to be a serious problem in Wisconsin’s current primary, prompting litigation in federal court. The same could easily happen in November.
What’s more, although some states deem an absentee ballot eligible if it is postmarked by Election Day, other states require the absentee ballot to arrive at the local election office by then. In the latter states, there is a real risk that a voter who mails an absentee ballot will have it disqualified if it arrives too late. In 2018, more than a quarter — 27 percent — of absentee ballots that were rejected across the country were disqualified for this reason; in Florida, the rate was even higher, at least one-third.
Even if an absentee ballot arrives on time, it can be rejected for a variety of other reasons. Every absentee ballot must be submitted inside a special envelope, and on that envelope, the voter must provide essential information: name, address, signature and often additional identification (like a driver’s license number). Absentee ballots are routinely invalidated because of innocent clerical errors voters make in filling out the envelopes. Sometimes the voter doesn’t even do anything wrong, but an employee in the local election office innocently misreads what the voter has written.
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Funny thing, its the gop who used absentee ballots more in the past. All that concern about perfection may just backfire on them when all those old republicans who vote absentee get thrown out in the frenzy. They never consider the unintended consequences.
My link didn't break it down to Republican v. Democrat. It just brought up the issues that will occur come November, if "Mail-in" is the only way that will be allowed.
It's like calling in to a company and all you get is a computer voice, when you want to speak with a person. Do you think Ballot counters are actually gonna call every individual, person by person, if they find a discrepancy in their "Mail-In" ballot ?
It makes one wonder why the gop never had a problem with absentee ballots when they were using them more than the dems. Now everybody wants them and suddenly the gop think fraud is involved. Why? Did the gop do that in the past? That's the usual way it goes, blame dems for exactly what they are doing.
Yup, if they're blaming us for something, they are guilty of it.
It's called projection
really? Freedomwire and Sean Robertson.
nothing biased about that site /s
Bullshit CK
All true.
Yes and ONE of them was the US.
You're welcome.
If 6 days were 'key' what should be label the WHOLE fucking month of February that Trump dragged his feet?
And February had an extra day this year
.and yes it was key. Did you read the part about the "community" .........
So yes, that six days meant a hell of a lot while they were parading their citizens to the slaughter unbeknownst to the citizens........and dare I say, the rest of the world. Had they made it public and WHO involved, there would have been a hell of a lot more preparation on all levels. They set the stage for this to be spread instead of nipping it in the bud. How many people did those 3,000 plus infect do you think? And how many of the people there went there from the US and other countries to celebrate "their" Lunar New Year celebration and then return to the country where they were either permanently or temporarily living?
I am sure you have link to back up that claim.
Here is a link proving that adsentee ballot abuse is real; among other types of voter fraud.
I thought that the memo went out about the WHO being in China's hip pocket. So what would WHO's involvement accomplish?
The US government should easily be able to answer your question. Unfortunately, since we don't have enough testing and very little contact tracing and surveillance, we may not know if they were infected, who they had contact with or where the hell they've been. If however they had gone into South Korea, those answers would be readily available since they implemented ALL of that on Jan 3rd, as did many other countries.
Deadly inept incompetent bumbling moron 'president'
No measures were put in place here in Maryland until March.
Now, Mr Potato Head has cut funding to the WHO. What a maroon.
I wonder how many of his supporters won't cash the checks because they now have their very own Trump signature to pay homage to.
Maybe if Trump had taken the early intel seriously instead of turning a blind eye and decrying CV as a Dem Hoax, a lot of people would be alive today.
That's what I've been saying also Paula again and again and again and again and again and again and again
Along with not disassembling the pandemic response team that President Obama put in place
Add in that he just defunded the WHO and you have the poster boy for FUBAR.
Probably not as many who won't cash them because, well, TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!
let's see if any of the Trump haters actually walk the walk.
Key phrase.
Get a clue.
Trump used a mail in ballot when he voted . But he doesn't want us to do it. And he claims rights that governors hold.. since he can't read and has no clue about our system of government.
The GOP used to be the party of State's rights. Now they're the party of rolling on their bellies, and throwing away every principle and moral they ever had. Cheering on our becoming a dictatorship..Just to have Trump up their ass.
It's nice to know my nickname (which, by the way I've had since I was 4 years old) is so popular. LOL
I hope you know I didn't mean anything towards you, Buzz. I wanted to say something else, but I'm this close <> to getting a suspension so I tempered my temper
That's what I have been saying too Paula, again and again and again and again and again and again and again
FUBAR
Of COURSE I knew - I was only kidding you.
Oh they'll cash them.
They'll use some of that money to buy themselves a tRumpy bear.
I hope all the democrats who receive these paper checks destroy them because Trumps name is on it.
Jesus would be so proud of you.
What surprises me, taking his narcissism and desperate attempts to secure re-election into account, is that he didn't also have his facial image imprinted on them like the former POTUSes on paper currency.
Bite your tongue! Somebody on his staff might read that and you'll have gone and given him nifty ideas, and folks will be waiting on their checks until this time next year.
Just what former POTUS did that?]
Did you misunderstand my comment?
$10 says he tried his damnedest.
Hamilton wasn't a president, but you're not a US citizen so I don't expect you to know that. Ben Franklin is on the $100 bill but he wasn't a US president, either.
sucker bet
No, I didn't know that, but then how are you on Canadian Prime Minisrers? (Actually, all Canadian bank notes only have the Queen's image.) I guess I shoiuld have just posted the dollar and the five dollar bills.. There was a two dollar bill at one time, and I understand there are certain suspicions about them - people would tear off a corner of them.
Now I knew that all Canadian bank notes have the Queen on them.
As far as PMs...hmmmm....I can remember Pierre Trudeau (Justin's Papa), Stephen Harper, and....that's all my memory will allow right now.
The 2 dollar bill had a picture of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, I think. Let's let Wiki do some explaining:
I probably did misunderstand. I have been running on fumes for 2 weeks repainting my kitchen so I am a little loopy. I finally took a long much needed nap today. Apologies.
No harm done.
Trump is a Narcissist for the ages.
The way he requires all to kowtow toward him just to feed his ego and his total lack of understanding about anything outside of his personal interest is just astounding.
Holding up desperate peoples lifelines just to put his name on their checks is another blatant example of his disgusting, self licking personality.
Fortunately we can turn him into another Ozymandias as soon as November 2020.
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Ozymandias
By Percy Bysshe Shelley
I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said -
“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . .
Near them, on the sand, Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
I got a post card from tRump about Covid19, it had his name on it. Went in the trash. Didn't even read it
My stimulus was directly deposited in my account. I guess I'll have to pay taxes on that too.
No you don't have to pay taxes on [ that...........deleted.. ]
I hadn't read that yet [Deleted]
Plus I wasn't talking to you
So you must only listen to tRump and fox 'news'
Article was from Forbes....
I rely on the daily noon briefings from my governor. He puts out very useful information and stats and does not need his ego stroked to do his job, unlike Trump.
Man, I'll bet that took you a whole 5-10 seconds to look up on the internet!
As we both live in So Cal we have the same governor, and I agree with your comment about him. He has done a great job thus far, in spite of the extremely hot plates he was handed with no padded hand mitts to handle them.
He has done what even the President refuses to do...listen to the experts and puts the people in Calif. first to save lives and keep the Covid-19 from spreading so wildly.
Trump knows his name will be sh*t do to his arrogance in delaying necessary action in the beginning. So now he is looking for some name saving by writing his name on all the checks, further delaying getting them to the people who are in desperate need of them, thus putting himself first and not the people as he should.
My stimulus was direct deposited onto my checking account. Thankfully, I won't have to see his name on a check, which he thinks will make him famous.
In spite of his name on a check, history will not treat him kindly as a President of the USA. Nor will the Creator.
Everyone, stay on topic.
The topic is trump's name appearing on the stimulus checks. I am going to start flagging off topic comments.
How many other presidents have issued stimulus checks to individuals?
MSM is calling this "unprecedented", thus the obvious question is what precedent?
The precedent of having POTUS's name on the paper checks.
It will be the first time a president’s name appears on an IRS disbursement, whether a routine refund or one of the handful of checks the government has issued to taxpayers in recent decades either to stimulate a down economy or share the dividends of a strong one.
Dissembling the subject.
Wrong!
These are stimulus checks for individuals. That has no precedent.
It is the first time individuals are getting a stimulus check!
I remember getting a 600 dollar check after 9/11. That was Pres Bush. Remember him?
No, Larry, I'm hitting it right between the eyes - that's the reason for the rapid fire response.
Nobody can contest the point I just made - these payments are without precedent! MSM is part of the resistance. Another false claim!
Whatever you got - it wasn't a stimulus check!
Try again!
They confuse "Getting their own hard earned money back" from the IRS....with " EMERGENCY FUNDING" due to what Government forced on them (Loss of Jobs) !
For the Inept..… Normal Un-employment check wants….. is Self inflicted year in and year out.
This "Emergency Funding" isn't due to "Self infliction".
The point you’re trying to make, is not the point being made in this article, thus the dissembling.
Nobody is denying that the stimulus checks are unprecedented; what also makes them remarkable, and the point of this article, is that the narcissist in chief has decided his name must appear on them, even if it means some will have to go without for a while — just to stroke his ego.
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oh...you're right. He gave us some tax money back...which I got taxes on the following year. But that was right after he was sworn in and before 9/11
It's either Confusion or dishonesty. The fact remains - these specific payments are without precedent.
Actually it is
I'll go with ……."Dishonest" Alex.
It sucks always being right, but I happily bear the burden for the benefit of our readers.
Which wouldn't have been necessary if not for tRumps deadly mishandling
No need to get smarmy about it. All you had to do was say thank-you and move on. Or you could have said nothing at all
What's the "Deadly Part" he caused ?
Did he cough on someone or something ?
Some folks have that 'have to get the last word-itis' like tRump Denial Syndrome
Yes, that is correct, but it is also correct that It will be the first time a president’s name appears on an IRS disbursement. That is the topic, Vic, not that there are stimulus checks to be sent out to individuals.
Now...can you stick to the topic of what we're discussing?
Funny how on some folks seeds, they're deleted right away for goiing off topic
I guess the same rules don't apply to all
The article claims that the President's signature was "unprecedented." That is part of the topic. It is also very deceptive.
There is no precedent. PERIOD!
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It's John's seed. He can delete comments that are off-topic if he wants
Funny how some try to distort. Everything contained in an article is part of the topic.
Didn't someone inform me that Trump couldn't be declared off topic if his name was mentioned anywhere in the article?
You may have the last word now.
Toodles
It has been John's position that if it's in the article it's part of the topic. That is also Perrie's position!
Actually I was referring to Vic and his seeds
I wasn't talking to you. John did say to stick to the topic or he would flag them.
But was that comment beyond your comprehension, also?
that's why I stay away from Vic's seeds
I guess I'm a glutton for punishment
You would be WRONG.
You can call these checks different names BUT they were called stimulus checks by every one else.
Vic is attempting, rather dismally, to bamboozle and deflect. The true facts of this matter are so clear cut that it isnt possible to actually defend Trump on the merits.
So we get all this other nonsense.
Rather than flag all sorts of comments I am just going to lock the seed in a little while.
No, you see something stupid and you have to correct it.
Being far right has nothing to do with being correct.
That's a good idea. But I at least got a good jab in. That felt good
I hear ya! And it was a great one, by the way, definitely worth it.
Bull shit.
This isn't Vic's seed. It's Vic's target.
I know it isn't his seed but he sure acts like it is
Including the Treasury spokesperson quoted in the article.
AH-HA!
I knew we got a check from Bush besides the tax break one! Not my fault I have a spotty memory
Amazing isn't it?
Since when do you listen to anything CNN says?
2009 Stimulus Checks
In 2009, the Economic Stimulus Act sent out $14.2 billion in stimulus checks.6 7 The one-time payment went to recipients of Social Security, Supplemental Security Income, veterans, and railroad retirees.
The checks were part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Congress passed the ARRA to end the 2008 recession. The government’s goal was that recipients would immediately spend the checks. That would be a quick, direct way to jumpstart economic growth.
I think you're confused...
President George W. Bush signed the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 on February 13, 2008. He wanted the $168 billion economic stimulus package to prevent a looming recession. 1
The 2006 housing market slowdown had affected the economy. In September 2007, Libor rates began rising above the fed funds rate . Libor is the interest rate that banks charge each other for overnight, one-month, three-month, six-month, and one-year loans. It's the benchmark for bank rates all over the world.
Rising Libor rates meant that banks were afraid to lend to each other. They had too many subprime mortgages on their books. Many held mortgage-backed securities that had become worthless. Bank reliance on derivatives to boost profits would lead to the 2008 financial crisis . In fact, derivatives were the major cause of the 2008 financial crisis.
Details
The package eliminated taxes on the first $6,000 of taxable income for individuals and the first $12,000 of income for couples. 1 A stimulus rebate check was mailed out to 130 million taxpayers, in amounts as follows:
Haven't you heard?
It's a game of partisan semantics.
Even in the same posts they offer as evidence that it was not a "stimulus" check, they define the tax rebates
as putting about $120 billion in the hands of individuals in the hope that they will spend it and boost a faltering U.S. economy.
If it sounds like a stimulus, is described as a stimulus and spending it actually helps the economy,
it's a stimulus.
Why the nattering nabobs are so quick to deny one republican President the honor over another Republican is beyond silly.
It's like they believe Trump closed the border, rebuilt the military and is the only one who can save the world from this pandemic.
Actually, I'm pretty sure W sent out individual stimulus checks.
Why then the signature? Even if it means delay?
Yup he did.
Past presidents have issued stimulus checks but never demanded that their signatures be put on them.
george bush.
IMO Vic locks his seeds so nobody can counter the nasty comments and accusations on them.
Seems to be a habit with him. Most of his seeds are not worth the time to comment in, unless you are in total agreement with his every comment. Otherwise, you will be issued Tickets and/or have your comments flagged by him.
All he wants is a echo chamber of his thoughts and beliefs. IMHO, he is welcome to it, I won't interrupt it.
Too funny! That was the first pee-my-pants laugh I've had in a while. Thank you!
LOL! And I was accused of wanting an echo chamber!
$24 trillion plus this 2 Trillion and more promised...
Yeah, I'm complaining too.
You notice how after having his repeated statement proven wrong multiple times, he has disappeared?
Thank you Buzz, I agree! Every time I go to respond to comments on his seeds they are locked, I usually never get back in after multiple times checking.
My problem is that I'm usually sleeping when he posts his seeds/articles, and when I wake I see them and comments on them that I know are wrong, or aimed at me, that I really need to answer, but by that time it's locked to comments. I once complained to him in a PN that I needed to reply to a false accusation, but to no avail. I think I'd be more content if I never bothered to read his article/seed posts.
Hopefully people will burn them in protest.
No way. That's my tax money, too
Actually it's not. It's borrowed money the government will never repay.
So if you got a stimulus check you will return it to the 'government"?
borrowed from whom?
Lol, none of them are returning those checks. They just want to bitch about everybody else.
The US Treasury.
Now that the conversation has gone off onto other details, I think I will take your advice and move on.
Enjoy your'e day
When I pay my taxes the check is made out to the, wait for it, US TREASURY .
As I got hit with a high tax amount, my check will indeed be going back to the government.
Challenge to all the Trump haters -
Post a picture of you tearing up your stimulus checks.
Mine goes direct deposit...to Mr Giggles bank account.
Challenge to all Trump sycophants-
Justify his narcissism.
Show us a President, other than Jimmy Carter, who wasn't a narcissist. It takes a pretty damned big ego to think they and they alone have all the answers. Why in the hell would anyone, other than someone who thinks he/she has all the answers, want that job and all the crap that comes with it.
Lol, I'm sure Trump is pissed he can't sign a direct deposit. But since you hate socialism you have to send yours back, right? And you are pissed at all the corporate welfare we are all paying for?
Which justifies Trump's level of narcissism HOW?
Ya, all of them lied. Still doesn't justify Trump's compulsive lying.
Save the whataboutism since it doesn't get even close to justifying the unjustifiable.
Look. You asked about his narcissism and now you want to move the fucking goal posts to compulsive lying?
I asked for one of you or your fellow travelers to JUSTIFY his narcissism. Instead of doing so, you asked me to cite a POTUS that wasn't a narcissist. That isn't a justification, that's deflection.
I didn't ask a question about Trump's compulsive lying, I used it as an example. I can't help it if it went over your head.
I don't remember you posting that question anytime between 2009 and 2016.
Hypocrit?
The justification point, which obviously went over you head, was that he has to be a narcissist to have the job............the same as everyone except Carter.
After I gave justification in your reply. They all are narcissists and it doesn't stop at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue............look at Congress.
It seems that Jim isn't the only one that can't seem to get that the question was about TRUMP'S narcissism, which is on a level unseen in the office of the POTUS in our history.
Obtuse?
If that's your posit, it's weak sauce Jim.
As I pointed out and your didn't argue, Trump's level of narcissism is 'unique' and one man's narcissism doesn't justify another's.
One more time. You didn't say anything about unique in your first query.
And I am saying, the justification for his "unique" narcissism is the he IS POTUS and without that, he'd be borderline candyass. He has to believe in himself as all of them do and I don't know about you but I don't want another apology tour or Unicorn rancher with peace and love as his driving force. He cannot be anything BUT a narcissist in that position and cultivated it in his business past. He is the boss there, he is the boss in the White House.
Unprecedented? You nor I know of anything that was true in previous administrations as all we saw was what we were told to see in those personas. Trump is outlandish to be sure but I'd rather have that with a degree of toughness than Jimmy.
Are you quite done or are you going to drag this out further until you think you succeeded in a fucking gotcha? Here's a little something for you to ponder.
and for the most part, around here, you are perceived as what you display every day.
We understand that hatred of one man in the White House simply because he is not named Hillary.
You cannot slam one person out of 45 people for narcissism when the other 44 had the same thing, some more than others. You have to to be president of this country or you will get rolled by the opposition party.
Obama, by far, was more narcissist than any other president in modern times.
You and your fellow travelers can take THAT to the bank.
Your posit hangs on believing in ones self and narcissism are the same thing. They aren't.
Never listen to the JFK, Johnson or Nixon tapes? Read the letters of Jefferson or Adams or FDR. An American is only ignorant of the 'personas' of our past Presidents because they want to be.
Jimmy Carter has more 'toughness' in his little finger than Trump has in his whole obese body.
We understand that hatred of one man in the White House simply because he is not named Hillary.
Yes, that does seem to be your constant go to deflection.
There are LEVELS of narcissism and Trump's is off the charts.
Bullshit.
Nope, it had no value.
Jimmy Carter was tough but I think he lacked that ruthlessness that's necessary in a POTUS
Because it's the truth, not deflection. Just because far left loons don't like to be called out for it doesn't make it false.
"There are LEVELS of narcissism and Trump's is off the charts".
How about showing us those "level" charts and which levels are off it. Otherwise, your post is bullshit.
"Bullshit"
Your opinion. Means nothing in the real world, but it does look like my comment triggered you.Too bad.
"Nope, it had no value".
As does pretty much all of your posts.
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You have got to be the most contrary person I have ever met. Why in the hell do you find it necessary to pick apart a post because it may have some adjectives left out. Narcissism is over the top confidence in oneself. You sound rather insecure an always have to find a way to be right by continuing back and forth with little digs. If there is narcissism awards given at NT, there would be a two way tie. You figure out who the other one would be.
And no, I haven't lost the argument it's because I am tired of your ridiculous wear 'em down method of debate and discussion which is boorish at best.
You never take the time to think and see things as they are beyond the surface.
Have a good day and please do trot on......................
Utter delusional nonsense.
Trump pushed the head of a small country out if the way so he could get to the front of an international photo op.
He's not only a complete narcissist he's an embarrassing asshole as well.
Dont make me post a long list of Trump's asshole behavior.
How many other presidents required that their name appear on stimulus checks?
Why did he do that?
One could literally post all day about Trump's asshole, narcissistic behavior.
It is a sad drawback of NT, and I suppose other forums too, that people are allowed to post the sort of deluded nonsense you did and others are not allowed to excoriate it like it deserves.
The typical and expected strawman argument.
Next thing you know, you will have stated something (in their mind) and have to "defend" it against them!
Your opinion only, and like I told your fellow traveler above, it means nothing in the rel world.
"Trump pushed the head of a small country out if the way so he could get to the front of an international photo op."
Only in your mind. Just because you hate someone so badly it blinds you does not mean they do things you think they see them doing.
"He's not only a complete narcissist he's an embarrassing asshole as well".
Only in the minds of those afflicted with TDS and who can't accept their president is not named Hillary.
"Dont make me post a long list of Trump's asshole behavior".
I'm not making you do anything. You post bullshit seeds EVERY SINGLE DAY, so what's one more?
"How many other presidents required that their name appear on stimulus checks?
"Why did he do that? "
Well, being that there was only one other stimulus check sent out in the past, I guess the answer is none. Who cares why he did it, even if he did make it a "requirement"? Do you really think people who get checks really give a crap whose name is on it? Hell, no. They are probably going to go straight from the mailbox to the bank, then to the grocery store to buy things they need,
If you don't like a name that appears on the check, send it back, or give it to someone who deserves it.
"One could literally post all day about Trump's asshole, narcissistic behavior. "
How will that be different than the thousands of over bullshit seeds you post day in and day out?
"It is a sad drawback of NT, and I suppose other forums too, that people are allowed to post the sort of deluded nonsense you did and others are not allowed to excoriate it like it deserves".
Most everyone says the same about your posts.
Sorry to disappoint you....that won't happen here, so no picture to post. Although it would be such a good feeling and great fun to do, I won't get a check to tear up, as my stimulus amount was sent direct deposit to my checking account as it has been for years.
Bingo. No one I know of disputes that Carter is a good man and a good person, but I agree he wasn't a good President. He walked out of the WH and has worked almost literally every single day since then to give help to those who need help.
That's not the truth, but it is what you tell yourself to justify defending trump. Have at it if that is what makes you feel better.
Name one president that complained on a regular basis that he wasn't praised enough, (for any number of topics)? Trump. Trump is the correct answer. Trump has done it all the time and most recently he said that governors that don't don't treat him, "nicely" and, "praise him", will not get PPE and ventilators they require. Translation: He has no problems with Americans dying of corona virus JUST because the governor of that state didn't kiss his ass and inflate his ego.
Having a big ego is fine, but trump has literally caused hardship to Americans just because of his ego. That is NOT ok.
Let me put it another way. How would you feel if this pandemic happened under Obama, and Obama said, "If red states do not praise me and treat me nicely, they will not get the supplies they need." Are you suggesting that you would be ok with that? Hell, I think Obama was one of the best presidents we have ever had and *I* would be pissed if he said something like that. But trump does it and his supporters spin themselves into knots trying to justify it. You can't, so stop trying.
Trump uses his office to harm people he doesn't like, that's obvious. NY received just 2% of the supplies that were requested by the Governor, but Florida received 200% of the supplies THEY requested, can you explain or justify that? I can!
Trump is an ego driven POS with a god complex that only wants to help people that kiss his ass. PERIOD.
IMO, the addition of President Trump's name on the checks is much ado about nothing. It doesn't change the value of the check and doesn't impact it in any way. It's a small bit of free advertising in the political arena, much like President Trump leading the daily briefings for Covid-19. As some on the left were fond of stating a while back, elections have consequences. Trump is the president while the checks are going out... Not enough, IMO, to get upset over.
Some people simply don't have the common sense to look at it that way.
More's the pity.
Some people who regularly attend the Church of the Perpetually Offended will always find something to grouse about.
Wonder when we'll find a cure for that?
My guess is it won't be before January 2025 when Trump finishes his second term......unless another Republican is voted in....which is highly likely.
He just wants to slap himself on the back and complain when people don't praise him for giving them their own money. Stupid bastard thinks it's coming out of his own pocket.
Trump is a truly impressive idiot.
The worst type of idiot.
I am not eligible for a refund check so honestly I don't have a dog in this fight but trump is a narcissist, of course he wants his fucking name on the checks.
Why aren't you eligible?
I made too much.
Biggest douchebag move in history. If nothing else, Trump can claim the mantle of the most desperate attention whore of all time.