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Drivers swarm Michigan capital to protest coronavirus lockdown measures

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  heartland-american  •  4 years ago  •  478 comments

By:   Andrew O’Reilly

Drivers swarm Michigan capital to protest coronavirus lockdown measures
the governor is turning Michigan into a “nanny state” and impeding their civil liberties. “Quarantine is when you restrict movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people,” Meshawn Maddock, an organizer of “Operation Gridlock” with the Michigan Conservative Coalition, told Fox News. “Every person has learned a harsh lesson about social distancing. We don’t need a nanny state to tell people how to be careful.”

These protests hopefully are just the beginning.  End the nanny state.  Stop the dystopia regarding movement and religious observances. Open up the economy now.  Uphold the constitution!  


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Hundreds of cars, trucks and SUVs descended on Michigan’s state capital Wednesday afternoon as part of a noisy protest against Democratic Gov.  Gretchen Whitmer ’s social-distancing restrictions that critics say have gone too far.

Dubbed “Operation Gridlock” and organized by the Michigan Conservative Coalition, the protest did just that – creating bumper-to-bumper traffic throughout downtown Lansing as demonstrators blasted their horns, waved Americans flags and hoisted placards deriding Whitmer’s orders and demanding that she reopen the state’s economy.

The lockdown measures are meant to curb the spread of the  coronavirus outbreak, but Whitmer has gone further than some other governors -- and the backlash in Michigan is among the most heated in the country.

“Let’s start with the fact that some counties have no or very few COVID cases and yet are totally shut down,” Rosanne Ponkowski, president of the Michigan Conservative Coalition, said in a statement. “When did a one-size solution solve everyone’s local issues? Governor Whitmer will put you out of business before allowing mere citizens to be responsible for their own behavior.  That is madness.”

Whitmer announced over the weekend an expansion to her state’s stay-at-home orders, which among other things prohibits residents from visiting family or friends with exceptions for providing care, bans public and private gatherings regardless of size or family ties, and places restrictions on what types of businesses may operate and in what capacity.

Michigan has the fourth-largest number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the United States, with more 27,000 being reported as of Wednesday afternoon, according to the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University.

The orders, which are in place until at least May 1, quickly drew criticism from conservative Republicans in the state, who argue that the governor is turning Michigan into a “nanny state” and impeding their civil liberties.

“Quarantine is when you restrict movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people,” Meshawn Maddock, an organizer of “Operation Gridlock” with the Michigan Conservative Coalition, told Fox News. “Every person has learned a harsh lesson about social distancing. We don’t need a nanny state to tell people how to be careful.”


Whitmer – who had to issue clarifications to her orders, most notably when someone tweeted a picture from Walmart saying that children’s car seats were “non-essential” items – has so far remained steady in her resolve that Michigan needs to stick to strict stay-at-home measures in order to tackle the virus. She has also recognized, however, that residents have a right to protest under the Constitution, but asked demonstrators to do so safely.

“Everyone has a right to protest and speak up. We recognize that some people are angry and frustrated, and that’s okay,” Whitmer’s office said Wednesday in a statement. “The Governor will always defend everyone’s rights to free speech. We just ask those who choose to protest these orders to do so in a manner that doesn’t put their health or the health of our first responders at risk.”

The organizers of “Operation Gridlock” have asked anyone participating in Wednesday’s protest to “[d]isplay signs, make noise and be disruptive, but stay in your vehicle so that the ‘Whitmer police’ cannot say you are ignoring the 'social distancing' order.” They have also asked people not to carpool “because gas is cheap” and warned them to not drink too much liquids because they will not be able to access any public restrooms.

“We can get this rally done and stay within the social distancing guidelines,” Marian Sheridan, a co-founder of the Michigan Conservative Coalition, said in a statement.  “Citizens are frankly tired of being treated like babies. As adults, we now know what needs to be done to stay safe. We also believe the liberal attack on the economy is becoming a serious threat right now.  Join us in Lansing. We need to stop the madness and Whitmer needs a plan to re-open Michigan’s economy before it is too late.”


“Operation Gridlock” is just one of a number of demonstrations of civil disobedience around the country by Americans upset with their state’s stay-at-home orders amid the pandemic. While the contagion has sickened more than 610,000 people in the U.S. and killed over 26,000 people, protesters from North Carolina to Wyoming said they’ve been just as concerned with the economic and financial impact from shutdowns – echoing President Trump’s complaint that “the cure” could be worse than the virus.

Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter who  has been sounding the alarm  about what he believes are flawed models dictating the aggressive strategy, drew attention to the protests in North Carolina, as well as a social media uproar in Michigan.

“As someone wrote me, people in [Michigan] know when you lose jobs, they don’t come back,” he tweeted.

As for unemployment, some 16.8 million Americans have lost their jobs in the last three weeks – meaning one in 10 working Americans was out of a job.

The figures collectively constituted the largest and fastest string of job losses in records dating to 1948. By contrast, during the Great Recession, it took 44 weeks — roughly 10 months — for unemployment claims to go as high as they now have in less than a month.

Last Thursday, dozens of protesters carrying placards and wearing Guy Fawkes masks ignored Ohio’s social-distancing guidelines to demonstrate on the steps of the state’s capital building in Columbus against Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, and his administration’s handling of the outbreak. Demonstrators held signs reading “Open Ohio,” “Quarantine worse than virus,” and “Social distancing or social conditioning. We do not consent.”

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A car at the "Operation Gridlock" protest in Lansing, Mich. Photo: Grady Trimble/FBN


In Wyoming, about 20 gathered last week in a park in Casper to protest the government-mandated measures to slow the spread of the coronavirus and let people go back to work, while a Facebook group called “ReOpen NC” has brought in over 21,000 members since it launched last Tuesday; it’s planning to gather in protest later this week.

“We are losing our small businesses, which are the backbone of our economy,” the group wrote on its page. “The shutdown is not warranted, nor sustainable for our area. The vulnerable can be isolated or protected in other ways, without sacrificing our entire state economy.”

While a full reopening of the U.S. economy appears to be a long way off as the country continues to battle the world’s largest outbreak of the novel coronavirus, there are signs that some states are making plans to get things at least partially up-and-running sometime in the near future.

The governors of California, Oregon and Washington announced Monday an agreement for reopening their states’ economies and controlling COVID-19 into the future. Those three states, which recorded some of the earliest cases of the coronavirus and were expected to be hard hit by the pathogen, have defied expectations and so far seen far fewer cases of the disease than expected. 

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A car in the "Operation Gridlock" protest in Lansing, Mich. Photo: Grady Trimble/FBN


The governors said health outcomes and science, not politics, would drive decision-making. Any modifications to each state’s stay-at-home order will be grounded in a comprehensive understanding of the health impacts of COVID-19, they added, saying no large-scale reopening will take place until metrics reflected a significant decline in the spread of the virus.

A number of states in the Northeast – including New York, which has been the epicenter of the COVID-19 pandemic in the U.S. – announced a similar plan on Monday.

The Associated Press contributed to this report. 


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

“Quarantine is when you restrict movement of sick people. Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people,” Meshawn Maddock, an organizer of “Operation Gridlock” with the Michigan Conservative Coalition, told Fox News. “Every person has learned a harsh lesson about social distancing. We don’t need a nanny state to tell people how to be careful.”

Whitmer – who had to issue clarifications to her orders, most notably when someone tweeted a picture from Walmart saying that children’s car seats were “non-essential” items – has so far remained steady in her resolve that Michigan needs to stick to strict stay-at-home measures in order to tackle the virus. She has also recognized, however, that residents have a right to protest under the Constitution, but asked demonstrators to do so safely.

“Everyone has a right to protest and speak up. We recognize that some people are angry and frustrated, and that’s okay,” Whitmer’s office said Wednesday in a statement. “The Governor will always defend everyone’s rights to free speech. We just ask those who choose to protest these orders to do so in a manner that doesn’t put their health or the health of our first responders at risk.”

The organizers of “Operation Gridlock” have asked anyone participating in Wednesday’s protest to “[d]isplay signs, make noise and be disruptive, but stay in your vehicle so that the ‘Whitmer police’ cannot say you are ignoring the 'social distancing' order.” They have also asked people not to carpool “because gas is cheap” and warned them to not drink too much liquids because they will not be able to access any public restrooms.

“We can get this rally done and stay within the social distancing guidelines,” Marian Sheridan, a co-founder of the Michigan Conservative Coalition, said in a statement.  “Citizens are frankly tired of being treated like babies. As adults, we now know what needs to be done to stay safe. We also believe the liberal attack on the economy is becoming a serious threat right now.  Join us in Lansing. We need to stop the madness and Whitmer needs a plan to re-open Michigan’s economy before it is too late.”

“Operation Gridlock” is just one of a number of demonstrations of civil disobedience around the country by Americans upset with their state’s stay-at-home orders amid the pandemic. While the contagion has sickened more than 610,000 people in the U.S. and killed over 26,000 people, protesters from North Carolina to Wyoming said they’ve been just as concerned with the economic and financial impact from shutdowns – echoing President Trump’s complaint that “the cure” could be worse than the virus.

Alex Berenson, a former New York Times reporter who  has been sounding the alarm  about what he believes are flawed models dictating the aggressive strategy, drew attention to the protests in North Carolina, as well as a social media uproar in Michigan.

“As someone wrote me, people in [Michigan] know when you lose jobs, they don’t come back,” he tweeted.

As for unemployment, some 16.8 million Americans have lost their jobs in the last three weeks – meaning one in 10 working Americans was out of a job.

The figures collectively constituted the largest and fastest string of job losses in records dating to 1948. By contrast, during the Great Recession, it took 44 weeks — roughly 10 months — for unemployment claims to go as high as they now have in less than a month.

Last Thursday, dozens of protesters carrying placards and wearing Guy Fawkes masks ignored Ohio’s social-distancing guidelines to demonstrate on the steps of the state’s capital building in Columbus against Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, and his administration’s handling of the outbreak. Demonstrators held signs reading “Open Ohio,” “Quarantine worse than virus,” and “Social distancing or social conditioning. We do not consent.”

Michigan-Protest2.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

I suppose that Michigan having the highest coronavirus death rate in the country might have something to do with it. Good for her.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago

It’s almost all contained in the Detroit metro area.  No reason to punish the rest of the state that’s likely going to be released to resume economic activity on May 1st.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    4 years ago

Shhhh. Don't hit them with facts.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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1.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago

Yeah 90% of the cases are in 3 counties. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.4  devangelical  replied to  cjcold @1.1    4 years ago

check out the impotent tea party morons strutting around with their phallic symbols... bwah ha ha

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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1.1.5  KDMichigan  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    4 years ago

The ANTIFA pussies should have been there, they would have fit right in with their masks. I guess they figured finding a old lady to accost in that crowd was minimal though.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    4 years ago

All studs when compared to milk toast progressives screaming at the sky from their safe spaces.

What a bunch of babies  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.1.7  Sparty On  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.5    4 years ago

Not warm enough to venture out of grandmas basement yet.    

They are still carb loading on Spaghetti O’s

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @1.1.4    4 years ago

Conservative activist Meshawn Maddock said Thursday that thousands of protesters rallied to "peacefully protest" Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's lockdown, calling for the governor to figure out how to put people “back to work safely" amid the coronavirus outbreak.

“I thank God that we have President Trump at the helm of this ship of America because with leaders like Governor Whitmer, we’re lost,” the Michigan Conservative Coalition Chairwoman told “Fox & Friends."

Maddock said that residents “feels oppressed” to be in Michigan right now and are not making extraordinary demands.

"What we are really asking for is for her to stop talking about what is essential and non-essential and just start looking at what is safe and what is unsafe. We know there are certain businesses and workers that should be able to safely get back to work right now," said Maddock. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.2    4 years ago

What facts?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.10  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.8    4 years ago
"peacefully protest"

that explains their apparent need to be armed.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.9    4 years ago

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @1.1.10    4 years ago

That’s what we have a 2nd amendment for.  To protect against tyranny.  They are protesting the closing of federally declared essential service gun stores and manufacturers 

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.13  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.12    4 years ago
That’s what we have a 2nd amendment for.  To protect against tyranny.

yeah, I know. I anticipate getting both hands dirty if a certain religious cult is successful in legislating their warped version of morality in a secular government.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.14  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    4 years ago

Wonder how many citizens of Detroit would just love to get the fuck out of Dodge? (old joke)

Were I asymptomatic in Detroit, I'd have packed up the truck and headed to the outback long ago.

Since I already live in the outback and have a well stocked larder (except for beer and smokes which I'll be making a run for tomorrow) I'm not worried too much about running out of supplies. Maybe this could even be a good excuse to give up smoking and drinking.

As an ex-paramedic, have all the masks, gloves, alcohol wipes and medical jump kits I'll need for any run to town. Have been stocking up for years (and yes, the brown Epi. still works. Don't toss it!). When I was working had to buy my own gloves by the case anyway as my hands are freakishly large. Still have a third of a case all sealed and fitting my 3x+ hands.

Fortunately still have 3 boxes of face masks specifically made for knapping flint and silicate rock back when I took anthropology for a minor and focused on lithics (making stone arrowheads, knives and spears). These are not near as effective as n95 as they are not designed for virus sized particles, but flint dust is very small, invasive and killed many tribes' best arrowhead craftsmen.   

By the time you need a thing, it's probably too late to get it. Thankfully I was a Boy Scout and took being prepared to heart.

We've been sparring for many years now since even before your Palin infatuation. CornHusker4Palin wasn't it?  As I recall you were at the Heartland Institute before I had even heard of it. Had to do the research to find out that you worked for the most far right wing propaganda mill ever.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.13    4 years ago

You seem really, really scared of that. What is your fear based on, since what you seem to fear hasn't happened?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.15    4 years ago

scared of people that have imaginary friends they can't prove exist, or think the 2nd amendment is their exclusive right? hardly.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.16    4 years ago
scared of people that have imaginary friends they can't prove exist, or think the 2nd amendment is their exclusive right? hardly. 

Then why all the senseless whining about what you think those folks may do?

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.18  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.17    4 years ago

it's what they're trying to do now, but it won't work...

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.19  bugsy  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.3    4 years ago
Yeah 90% of the cases are in 3 counties. 

Kinda the same in Florida. Most of the cases are in democrat run counties...Broward, Palm Beach and Miami/ Dade. 

What happened was when Cuomo shut down New York, many New York, New Jersey and Connecticut residents fled to those counties because most people that live there are from those three states and the people fleeing those states have relatives there.

The rest of the state has fairly low numbers. The city I live in will be opening the beaches and parks this afternoon on a restricted basis, essentially only during non congregation for sunbathing times, but more for 1 or 2 people activities such as biking and swimming.

I think for the most part Governor DeSantis and our mayor has done a fantastic job keeping these numbers down, hence the ability to do what we are doing today, but because of what I mentioned above, south Florida should stay shut down for a while longer, maybe into late May..

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.20  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    4 years ago
It’s almost all contained in the Detroit metro area.

And of course that means that there's no way it can spread to other parts of the state. 

The good news is that, fortunately:

1. This particular virus is not particularly contagious compared to others.

2. And fortunately, people in the Detroit area never (or hardly ever) travel to other parts of the state. (No business connections outside Detroit-- no family, none!, No other reason to leave the Detroit area. No reasons to ever drive through other parts of the state to travel to adjacent states...None!)

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.21  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.1    4 years ago
It’s almost all contained in the Detroit metro area.

And of course that means that there's no way it can spread to other parts of the state. 

The good news is that, fortunately:

1. This particular virus is not particularly contagious compared to others.

2. And fortunately, people in the Detroit area never (or hardly ever) travel to other parts of the state. (No business connections outside Detroit-- no family, none!, No other reason to leave the Detroit area. No reasons to ever drive through other parts of the state to travel to adjacent states...None!)

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1.18    4 years ago

So you are getting yourself all worked up over things you imagine may happen.

Good plan, worry about what MAY happen, and don't worry about what is really happening.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.23  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.22    4 years ago

Kinda like how they claim you said something then try to argue the "whatever it was" against you.

Is that a new chapter in the rules for radical handbook or has that one been there for a while, just not widely used until recently?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @1.1.23    4 years ago
Kinda like how they claim you said something then try to argue the "whatever it was" against you. 

Seen that many, many times. Some seem to love to do it and can't debate otherwise!

Is that a new chapter in the rules for radical handbook or has that one been there for a while, just not widely used until recently?

Not sure, but I have noticed the increase when TDS began showing up!

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.25  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.1.8    4 years ago

What's unsafe is those morons standing shoulder to shoulder on the statehouse steps. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.1.26  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.24    4 years ago
Some seem to love to do it and can't debate otherwise!

What I like is when they had their asses handed to them, they continue to respond to others on the same thread, but refuse to respond to the person they had been "debating" originally.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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1.1.27  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @1.1.25    4 years ago
What's unsafe is those morons standing shoulder to shoulder on the statehouse steps. 

Hey Dulay, where is your faux rage at protesters now? Please enlighten us in all your wisdom how it changed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2  Tessylo    4 years ago

So these stupid morons are protesting common sense?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @2    4 years ago

Yeah right.    

You can go out and buy a lotto ticket but you can’t buy paint.    Union organizers are considered essential but I can’t cross the road and check on my neighbor.    I can drive to buy a bottle of booze but I can’t drive ten minutes in the same zip code to check on a vacation home.

Etc, etc, this is only common sense in crazy for cocoa puffs land.    Total batshit crazyville

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @2.1    4 years ago

Please recall your governor!  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    4 years ago

Probably won’t need to.   She’ll probably be shotgun Joes running mate.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @2.1.2    4 years ago

That’s scary .  Do you really think Sleepy Perv Joe would want her on the ticket if her state is in open rebellion against her?  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.3    4 years ago

Yes, because he is stupid enough and desperate enough to think she will win Michigan for him.

We are counting the days until we can vote her out of office and send her packing to CA to be with her mentor Jennifer Granholm.

 
 
 
bccrane
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2.1.5  bccrane  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.4    4 years ago
desperate enough to think she will win Michigan for him.

Well there is this problem, do you vote for Trump and keep Jennifer Whitmer, or do you vote for Biden to get Gretchen Granholm out of the state.  I talked to people from Arkansas, when Bill Clinton first ran, he was so disliked that they voted for him to get him out of Arkansas.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2    4 years ago

People were already using common sense.  The added orders are nothing but a power grab by a tyrannical governor.  This needs to happen everywhere when governors and mayors go too far and when governors are too slow to reopen their states economies in full or in part.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2    4 years ago

Lock 🔒 her up!  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.3.1  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3    4 years ago

Said Michael Flynn, hahahahhahahahahahahahahah,

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.1    4 years ago

Please stay on topic which is the protesting against the over reaching of government power tyranny vs we the people. They did chant lock her up at the protest rally today.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.3.3  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.2    4 years ago

I responded directly to your "Lock her up" comment.

Was your comment "off topic" ???

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.3    4 years ago

The comment was in the context of today’s protest against the idiot governor of Michigan and what people of the state were saying about   her.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.3    4 years ago

"Imagine this. She's a governor who is keeping abortion clinics open, but she bans the sale of the American flag. To me, that pretty much sums her up."  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.3.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.5    4 years ago
She's a governor who is keeping abortion clinics open, but she bans the sale of the American flag

Well if Detroit indeed holds the strings for this puppet, she probably sees the American flag as offensive to some people in that area. Think about that one for a minute keeping in mind the concentration of those who may find it so...........

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.6    4 years ago
 She's a governor who is keeping abortion clinics open, but she bans the sale of the American flag. 

You both are making this claim. I would like to see proof of this, especially the part that she is banning the sale of the American flag.  The clinics are probably open, but I am not even sure about that. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @2.3.8    4 years ago
If the areas holding those products are cordoned off per the government dictate, they are effectively banned.

Thank you for your honesty. There is a big difference between saying she is banning the sale of the flag and actually banning the sale of the flag. Maybe, just like in NY, they don't have the personnel to work the whole floor and it is as simple as that. I am sure if there was a big rush on the American flag, they would move it. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3.10  cjcold  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.2    4 years ago

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cjcold
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2.3.11  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @2.3.10    4 years ago

It also seems that far right wing fascists are going to trash anybody who would possibly be Biden's VP. [DELETED]

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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2.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @2    4 years ago
protesting common sense?

Common sense coming from who?

I take it yet again you didn't read the article but as Democrats so often do you stuck to the headline?

 
 
 
Krishna
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2.5  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @2    4 years ago
So these stupid morons are protesting common sense?

Yup. 

That's what these sorts of stupid morons do!

(That's why they're called "stupid morons")

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4  Paula Bartholomew    4 years ago

Tyranny is when you restrict the movement of healthy people

Does this moron understand that even if a person is asymptomatic, they can still infect others?  I guess she missed history class the day Typhoid Mary was covered.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    4 years ago

that’s what masks and social distancing are for.  This is the beginning of the resistance to mayors and governors who use this crisis to let their powers go to their heads and become petty tyrants.  President Trump has used minimal powers in orchestrating our response to this.  He has all sorts of powers he could be using but is simply backing up the states using theirs as the founders intended.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5  Tacos!    4 years ago

I get the frustration. And some of the measures that different jurisdictions are taking may be poorly targeted. Ok. Maybe some adjustments can be made?

But do protesting people understand that healthy people with no symptoms pass the disease on to others? The data shows that as many as half of the infected people never show symptoms, but are contagious all the same. That makes them just as dangerous as sick people. That's why healthy and sick alike are being quarantined.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @5    4 years ago

She could have simply kept the original orders going until May 1, as the legislature agreed to.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    4 years ago

Maybe she is doing what her medical experts are telling her to do. There is no such thing as a specific date during a pandemic. You have to see where you are and where you are going. And as tocos said, seemingly healthy people are spreading the disease. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.1    4 years ago

Then she could have asked the legislature to extend her original lock down beyond May 1st if her experts thought it warranted as May 1 gets closer. Instead because the legislature only gave her 23 days instead of 70, she retaliated by attacking the people who elected the legislature majority. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.2    4 years ago

Do you know as a fact that she went to the legislator with all the facts and they still said May 1 no matter what? Does anyone know exactly what went down, or is everyone just guessing? Maybe what we have is a failure to communicate.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.3    4 years ago

Ask Sparty. He lives there and I have no reason not to believe him.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.3    4 years ago

By DAVID EGGERT, Associated Press

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — The Republican-led Michigan Legislature on Tuesday lengthened Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s coronavirus emergency declaration by 23 days, through April, rather than adopt the 70-day extension that she had sought.

At their first session in three weeks, mask-wearing lawmakers kept distance from each other as they approved the shorter extension by voice vote, after undergoing screening steps to enter the Senate and House chambers. Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist II, who presides over the Senate, wore an “Everybody Vs COVID-19” shirt.

Senate leaders later announced a bipartisan work group that will recommend to Whitmer how to reopen parts of the economy as long as proper social-distancing procedures are followed. She is expected to extend her stay-at-home order beyond April 13 soon.

Whitmer's original emergency declaration is the basis for roughly 30 executive orders, including those closing businesses and prohibiting large gatherings. Michigan had nearly 19,000 confirmed COVID-19 cases as of Tuesday with 845 deaths.

Republicans said they had to act Tuesday or else Whitmer's emergency declaration would expire under the terms of a 1976 law requiring legislative authorization to continue governor-issued emergencies or disasters. Whitmer did not disagree, at least as it relates to ensuring health care workers and first responders are protected from legal liability during the virus outbreak.

But she noted that a 1945 law, also cited in her declarations and orders, gives a governor broad emergency powers without any legislative oversight. Democrats, who accused the GOP of “political posturing,” said legislators did not need to vote until April 29 because Whitmer issued a new order last week that also includes a disaster declaration.

Whitmer said she disagreed with Republicans' refusal to extend the emergency beyond April but “that's their decision. They can come back as much as they want to, even though it's contrary to all of the best practices that our medical professionals and epidemiologists are telling them. I do worry about their safety.”

Two lawmakers have tested positive for COVID-19, the disease caused by the virus, while a third has died of suspected COVID-19.

Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, a Clarklake Republican, said it was unnecessary to extend the emergency by 70 days into June, noting that legislators could later decide to continue it for longer. He also said agreeing to a 70-day extension of the emergency declaration could have inadvertently left the public with the impression that the stay-home order would also last into June.

“Doing it in a stepped, incremental way makes more sense,” Shirkey said.

For most people, the coronavirus causes mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough that clear up in two to three weeks. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia, or death.

By April 17, senators from both parties will make recommendations to the governor on transitioning people back to work. Republicans told reporters there is evidence that employees can be just as safe on the job as at home, and some businesses — like lawn-service companies — can operate safely with no risk, while other operations, such as a rock concert, must remain a no-no for now.

“I believe we will identify businesses and commercial activities even as early as next week that with very little change and very little effort, they can be deemed safe and begin to slowly ramp up economic activity in Michigan and do it in a safe way,” Shirkey said.

Also Tuesday, House Democratic Leader Christine Greig of Farmington Hills urged GOP leaders to let members meet remotely and electronically for session and committee hearings.

“This is the time for the Legislature to lead, not shut down because we’re not using the communication tools designed just for this purpose,” she said.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/best-states/michigan/articles/2020-04-07/michigan-legislature-to-extend-emergency-declaration%3fcontext=amp

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.3    4 years ago

I can’t cross the street and check on a neighbor?    C’mon Perrie.    

We don’t need Gretchen’s nanny state to hold our hands.     Maybe they do in Detroit but most of MIchigan certainly doesn’t.

Her move is draconian by any measure in this country.    More like something you would expect in China.    Nothing much “common sense” about it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.4    4 years ago

Well, if you don't know, then you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions. I am asking Sparty. I want to hear from someone who actually lives there. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.6    4 years ago
I can’t cross the street and check on a neighbor?    C’mon Perrie.  

What does that mean? Would you actually be arrested or are you being asked not to? In NY, we can check on a neighbor, but we are asked to do so with caution.

We don’t need Gretchen’s nanny state to hold our hands.

Please stop with the hyperbole with the nanny state thing. I want to know what she actually did to what region. What did she do to your region and how is she enforcing it?

Her move is draconian by any measure in this country.    More like something you would expect in China.

Please explain exactly what she is doing and how she is enforcing this. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    4 years ago

After the donkey  Cuomo tanked the stock market by locking down his state past May 1 its time to take protests there too.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.9    4 years ago

Our Gov is actually showing that this policy works. The curve is not only flattening but looks like it is coming down. And our Gov explains daily why he is doing what he is doing and takes questions from the press, even combative ones. That is why the people of NY are doing what he asks us to do. 

And stop with the childish name calling. Be civil in a discussion please. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.11  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.10    4 years ago
ur Gov is actually showing that this policy works.

If it's working in NY, then every other state is performing spectacularly. The NY metro area has accounted for more than half the deaths in the country.  What was eventually implemented in NYC is neccessary for NYC but it's really not the same policy needed in rural Nebraska.  Urban areas typically need stricter measures than rural areas. We shouldn't be treating areas within individaul  states, let alone a massive and diverse country with a one size fits all policy.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.11    4 years ago

Sean, 

First of all, I never said that what was good for NYC was necessary for rural Nebraska. I have been talking about Mich which is a large urban area. And I totally agree that we should be treating this by state. But remember, if our urban areas don't contain this disease, it will eventually spread. Anyone who doesn't get this truly doesn't understand how a pandemic works. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.1.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.12    4 years ago

ve been talking about Mich which is a large urban area.

But it's really not. It has urban areas (which are being hard hit and should be shut down) and a lot of extremely rural areas. The UP of Michigan doesn't need the same rules as Detroit.   People in the UP should be able to check on neighbors  and family members without worrying about getting a ticket. 

ur urban areas don't contain this disease, it will eventually spread. 

It will spread, but it will spread slower  in areas with lower population density. Absent a vaccine, it's unlikely the disease will ever go away, so those parts of the country where the risk is lower should be trying to do as much as they safely can. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.13    4 years ago

Sean,

We have the same situation in NY. In fact, most of the state is rural. We have the same common sense rules upstate as we do downstate. And we can check on neighbors and I don't see how you can stop someone from doing that. I am trying to get to the bottom of what is actually going on in the state. Are people actually getting tickets for checking on neighbors out of Detroit? Has that actually happened?

It will spread, but it will spread slower  in areas with lower population density. Absent a vaccine, it's unlikely the disease will ever go away, so those parts of the country where the risk is lower should be trying to do as much as they safely can. 

I totally agree. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    4 years ago
What does that mean? Would you actually be arrested or are you being asked not to? In NY, we can check on a neighbor, but we are asked to do so with caution.

Her latest executive orders make that technically illegal.    She thinks we need our hand held to make sure we do it safely.   She is wrong.    See below.

Please stop with the hyperbole with the nanny state thing. 

Its not hyperbole as pointed out above.    And as far as your other question A good friend is in charge of a local law enforcement department.    Her executive orders allow ticketing and penalties for actions that oppose her orders.    I don’t think many departments will enforce the ridiculous ones but are you in the habit of intentionally breaking the law? 

Yeah, me either.

Her move is draconian by any measure in this country.    More like something you would expect in China.

Please explain exactly what she is doing and how she is enforcing this.

What difference does that make?     Again, are you in the habit of intentionally breaking the law?

She made the changes.    Do you think she was just kidding?

I am amazed by your attitude on this.    You clearly don’t understand or are being intentionally obtuse about how wrong some of the rules are she laid out for most of the state.

Very surprising .....

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.15    4 years ago

I just finished fertilizing my yard.    Two people stopped and asked me where I got the fertilizer.    I played stupid and asked them what they meant.    Both said they recently tried to buy some and were refused

Absolutely ridiculous.

By the way I had bought the Scotts four step program before the latest draconian measures were in enacted

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.17  Tacos!  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1    4 years ago

I think it's a dynamic situation that can require swift action. Today, it might seem like we can continue on with the status quo for another month. Then in a couple of days, we get a spike in the numbers and decide we need to act right away. Waiting for the legislature to get it together may take too long.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.7    4 years ago

In 5.1.3 I suggested you ask Sparty because he lives there and then in 5.4 I seeded an AP article from there and you give me that.  Why attack me for posting an article that had all the relevant facts? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.10    4 years ago

Like 5.7?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.15    4 years ago

Sparty,

I am not being intentionally obtuse. I just find it hard to believe. I mean I live in the hardest hit state, and we don't have those restrictions on us. Of course I am not in the habit of breaking the law and if that is what she is doing, she is wrong, unless there is a reason like social spreading. And maybe she looked at what happened here in NY. We had it contained to the city, and then the more affluent city people decided to flee to the Hamptons. Now the Hamptons have it, and it was all because we are not restricted to the degree that you are talking about. Sadly, people don't have common sense or consideration for the fellow man, and do what is best for them. 

I looked at this article. Is it wrong?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.17    4 years ago

Tacos, 

I have to agree with you. From what I read in the local Mich papers, that seems to be the case. I know first hand, being a New Yorker, how quickly covid tests. I can honestly say, that it makes me nervous to go out and get food and supplies. My kids who both live in the city ( I am a country mouse), feel the same way. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.19    4 years ago

I did ask Sparty. 

Why attack me for posting an article that had all the relevant facts? 

First of all, I didn't attack you. The point of this site is to debate and discuss. Your article is very partisan and I am trying to bet to the bottom line. For me, as a New Yorker, I find the reaction in Mich odd, but if it was brought about because of wacky laws, I can understand. That being said, from what I have read in the Mich papers, your article does not explain what is going on well. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.24  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.21    4 years ago

That pretty much sums it up.  

I know several LEO departments are not refusing compliance but are looking the other way a lot.   In other words, not ticketing anyone except for the most egregious violations of the truly common sense components of the published rules.

Her rules started out good and reasonable.   And as noted, she didn't drop the hammer until her 70 day additional recommendation was shot down by congress.   FYI, she is a Democrat and our house and senate are both Republican controlled.

Think that had anything to do with it?
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It's pure political BS in my mind.   At least the unreasonable components of it are.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.24    4 years ago

OK now we are getting somewhere.

And as noted, she didn't drop the hammer until her 70 day additional recommendation was shot down by congress.

What exactly was her 70 day additional recommendation? Did she say she wanted an additional 70 days and could re-evaluate along the way, or did she just say she wanted 70 days period? Gov. Cuomo has been evaluating day to day. He is aiming for a May 15th opening, but he has warned if the curve changes, so could that date. Is that what she was basically saying or did she say a flat 70 days no matter what.

FYI, she is a Democrat and our house and senate are both Republican controlled. Think that had anything to do with it?

Maybe, maybe not. Her house and senate could have been just as hostile to her and she is lashing out. Without knowing what she was actually asking for I am not sure. I don't think it's smart for her to lash out, but if her original request was 70 days and to re-evaluate along the way, then I also think that your house and senate were wrong, too, because that puts the public safety at risk and you guys don't want to be another NY. They all could be acting out in political grand standing. That is what I am trying to understand. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.26  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.25    4 years ago
OK now we are getting somewhere.

That information has been posted more than once here already.

What exactly was her 70 day additional recommendation? Did she say she wanted an additional 70 days and could re-evaluate along the way, or did she just say she wanted 70 days period? Gov. Cuomo has been evaluating day to day. He is aiming for a May 15th opening, but he has warned if the curve changes, so could that date. Is that what she was basically saying or did she say a flat 70 days no matter what.

I don't really know the entire genesis of it for sure.   My understanding was on or around April 7th she wanted to keep the ALREADY EXISTING executive orders on for another 70 day.   So like until mid July.   The compromise as noted earlier was 23 days until April 30th AND she tacked on all the new rules.

FYI, she is a Democrat and our house and senate are both Republican controlled. Think that had anything to do with it?
Maybe, maybe not. Her house and senate could have been just as hostile to her and she is lashing out.

C'mon Perrie.   My comment wasn't defending either side and yet you gravitated to accusations towards the Reps.  

Partisan politics doesn't happen unless both sides are participating at some level but i find it telling that her original rules were okay if she got 70 days but then they weren't when she got only 23.

That sound reasonable to you?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.26    4 years ago
C'mon Perrie.   My comment wasn't defending either side and yet you gravitated towards accusations towards the Reps.  

No, I didn't. You said:

FYI, she is a Democrat and our house and senate are both Republican controlled. Think that had anything to do with it?

So, that kind of reads like it was her fault. I have no dog in this fight.

OK that aside, I found out what the issue was. The 70 days was a wait and see order and she wanted to extend the current ‘Stay Home, Stay Safe’ order.”, which the rest of your legislator said no to. They wanted a shorter period without the  ‘Stay Home, Stay Safe’ order.”

So what we have here, are both parties being not being reasonable. I am unsure why they can't say, we will hope to open on this date, but if we can't we will extend like we are doing in NY. 

Honestly, I think her request was reasonable, but her reaction to not getting it is unreasonable. 

btw, here are the two articles I was reading. You might find them very interesting since this is your home state:

Also this is the latest in what she is planning to do:

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.28  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.27    4 years ago

Yeah, we should stop discussing this now.   I don't agree with you in the least on much of this and i really don't feel like fighting with you

Suffice it to say I'm living it in Michigan and you're not.   You couldn't hope to understand it in that regard.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.28    4 years ago

Fair enough. I don't want to fight either, although I don't see that we are really differing that much. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.30  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.29    4 years ago

On March 16th the governor of Michigan closed the bars restaurants and schools. I believe it was the same day the same was done in Illinois. It was the day before St Patricks Day. New York came a few days later. 

So we are at the 30 day point for many of the state shutdowns. A couple came earlier, California and Washington I think, and some came later.  But its been one month. 

One month to stay inside except for exercise and grocery and pharmacy runs is too much to ask to save tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of American lives? 

Are people that selfish that they have to go fishing or go putter around the gun store or the hardware store at this time?  And if people really need tools they can buy all the tools they want online. 

Last night the political pundit Steve Schmidt was on a show. He flat out predicted we are headed straight for massive civil unrest, led by the militias, Bundyites, crackpots and other "freedom lovers with guns" who are some of the people who created the traffic jam in front of hospitals in Michigan the other day. 

Places in the US are going to be doing social distancing for the rest of this year. 

Are we going to have a civil war over this? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.31  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.30    4 years ago

Like is the norm in much of the country, densely populated cities are driving the bus and like usual it's ludicrous to think they will be the same as more rural areas.   They never will be similar in instances like this.

Its ludicrous that one can go kayaking but not motor boating in Michigan.

It's ludicrous that one can buy booze and lotto tickets but they can't buy seed or flowers for their lawn in Michigan

It's ludicrous that one can't just take a drive for no reason in Michigan.

I could keep going but what's the point ................

Whitmer has gone too far with her revised rules.   Way to far.   I can't see it any other way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.32  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.31    4 years ago

A lot of things in this world are ludicrous. Governing millions of people with diverse interests is not simple. 

I think the states should give a date. We're opening on May 15, June 1st, whatever, but give a set day.  And then stick to it UNLESS the infection rate goes UP in that state. 

A set date will slow down some of these complaints. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.33  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.23    4 years ago

Are you talking the seed article or the AP article in this thread I was referring to?  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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5.1.34  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.32    4 years ago

One size does not fit all John and it’s ludicrous to expect that it would

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.3  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @5    4 years ago
But do protesting people understand that healthy people with no symptoms pass the disease on to others?

Of course not!

(That's why they blindly support anything Trump wants..)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6    4 years ago

The crowds were chanting “lock her up” and now she’s threatening to extend her current shutdown longer because of the protests.  It’s on.  Don’t tread on us!  It’s time to put the petty tyrants in their place and take a stand for the constitution.  

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    4 years ago

Call Ted Nugent, he's originally a Michigander.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.1    4 years ago

Ask Sparty or KDMich what is going on there.  They are members here who live there. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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6.1.3  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    4 years ago

You could have fooled me. You seem to know all about it,

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.3    4 years ago

See 5.1.5.  This kind of resistance is starting in other states as well.  I was active in the Tea Party a decade or so ago and these new protests are awesome and are right on.  I’ll do the same here if our governor tries to slow walk the restarting of the economy in safe areas of California.   

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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6.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    4 years ago
The crowds were chanting “lock her up” and now she’s threatening to extend her current shutdown longer because of the protests.

That is totally untrue, and if you watched your own video, it even says that she supports their rights to protest. That comment is nothing but political antagonism. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Breaking...Pennsylvania legislators override Pa. governor new stay at home order.  The rebellion begins...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7    4 years ago

Obviously they value money over people.

It's insane to relax any regulations at this point.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @7.1    4 years ago
Obviously they value money over people.

I doubt that's true. I think everybody is trying to make the best decisions they can. However, I think we do want the economy running as much as it can so that the people who need to stay home can do it.

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @7.1    4 years ago
Obviously they value money over people.

And probably some of Trump's "base" believes everything he says..without question!

(If he said "jump out of a firve story window onto the concrete sidewalk, you will survive" many of them would unquestionably jump...)

 
 
 
Krishna
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7.2  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7    4 years ago
.Pennsylvania legislators override Pa. governor new stay at home order.  The rebellion begins...

Give it a week or so..

When more and more of their friends and relatives suddenly get the virus ("for no apparent reason") things may change a bit...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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7.2.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Krishna @7.2    4 years ago
When more and more of their friends and relatives suddenly get the virus ("for no apparent reason") things may change a bit...

Here is a shocker, the virus isn't going anywhere. Especially when you have dumbass people in the cities having block parties. let natural selection run it's course.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @7.2.1    4 years ago

Funny, no one on Long Island is having block parties, and yet my high school friend died. Maybe when someone you care about dies, your attitude might change. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.2.3    4 years ago

We all know that story. They all got arrested. But thanks for finding a story about the smallest number of Long Islanders. My friend was not at any party. They don't even know how he got it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8  Buzz of the Orient    4 years ago

1.  Since there is a two week incubation period during which there are no symptoms so a person would not know they are infected, but during that period they will still spread the virus.

2.  Strictly following the guidelines worked where I live, where everything is now returning to normal, because NOBODY tried to be a rebel, and people are STILL wearing masks and keeping social distances.  No new cases in my city of 32 million for more than a month.  Let's see where telling the contagious disease experts to shove it up their ass gets the American population, which has already succeeded in making the numbers of infections and deaths in America astronomical (beyond primitive societies) because of ignorant resistence. 

Contrary to Kris Kristofferson's song, Freedom's just another word for SOMETHING you may lose - your health or your life. 

I really shook my head when I read a comment on this site by someone who wrote that they would rather lose their life to covid-19 than live in a Communist country.  Wow!!!  Good thing I'm not scared of Communism (even though I'm not a Communist). 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    4 years ago

Michigan already had a lockdown order.  It was set to expire April 7.  The governor went to the legislature asking for a 70 day extension.  It was already bending the curve down of the disease in the state. They gave her 23 days until May 1st saying she could make another request later if there was a need. She instead of accepting the will of the legislature, retaliated and listed a whole series of restrictions almost all aimed at rural areas with few or no cases of the disease.  Hers is a pure power play and when those happen we intend to defy them to their faces because we are Americans and we can.  We don’t have to worry about getting run over in the streets by tanks for free speech here

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1    4 years ago

Okay, touchee.  I guess one cheap shot deserves another.  But it's America. She has the freedom be make a power play.  She has the freedom to be nuts.  Does it really take a car cavalcade to control her, or is she as powerful as Xi Jinping is in China?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1    4 years ago

Yep, that is it in a nutshell.

Her actions are simply a mean spirited political move aimed at areas that didn’t vote for her.    Which is most of Michigan by the way.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.1    4 years ago

Well Buzz, in the US we have this little thing called freedom of assembly.     You might remember that from your time in Canada.     I know that’s a strange concept in China but it is normal in most of the free world.

Whitmer is simply being called out for bad leadership but she doesn’t really care.    She’s only target fixated on a VP nod from Biden.    Nothing more, nothing less.    It’s shameful the way she is treating the citizens she is supposed to be serving.    

Shameful indeed.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.1    4 years ago

We have a right to protest are bat shit crazy politicians. Sorry if you don't like it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.3    4 years ago

You have the vote.  Vote her out.  If she's a nut case in the first place, how did she get elected?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.5    4 years ago

Politics.    She’s a Dem and we are coming off eight years of a Rep Gov.    There is a natural ebb and flow to these things.

That said, I don’t know about the people who did vote for her but my crystal ball was in the repair shop.    Who knew she would go nuts on this one.    Her original restrictions were fine then she went full retard with her latest ones.

Who knew?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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8.1.7  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.6    4 years ago
   Who knew she would go nuts on this one.

the left will always use a crisis to relieve us of our rights.... simple.

thank god hillary was not president,  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to    4 years ago

Oh yes I DO have the vote. I can vote with an absentee ballot for Canadian federal and Ontario government elections.  I'm entirely apolitical in China so I don't give a damn if I can't vote here - I'm not a Chinese citizen anyway. only a guest using a renewable visa. so the CCP is not my "adopted" government - I'm just a visitor.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.1.15  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.5    4 years ago

You do realize we have to wait for the next election cycle for Michigan governor right. It is not like we can hold elections whenever we feel like it. 

So allow us to exercise our Constitutional right of free assembly to let this loon we don't appreciate her.

Funny how certain people only get upset when protests happen against people with a D behind their name.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.12    4 years ago

I'm not a permanent resident in China.  The visa issued to me is described as a "visitor to family" (my Chinese wife is my "family"), and it regularly expires, requiring me to continually renew it. Note the word "visitor" in the visa.  No foreigner is EVER given Chinese citizenship - the closest to citizenship they can get is a green card (and even it expires in 10 years or the qualification for it ends earlier), and I have never qualified for one, even though I originally came here on a visa granted to "foreign experts" in order to teach, but because of my age I can no longer qualify for such a visa. 

Your opinion about those things is just opinion, and IMO the opinions stated on NT about China by those who do not know the actual facts about China but rely on misinformation or just plain ignorance or intentional derision is why I am having to constantly try to set those things straight.  What it comes down to is that the constant bullshit posted by some members that implies that I'm a "commie sympathizer" or "comrade" is nothing but pure intentional harrassment, and notwithstanding that I will not stop posting the truth. 

 
 
 
lib50
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8.1.17  lib50  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.16    4 years ago

Wow, Buzz, I can't believe how many people here are going after you without even knowing or understanding living life as an ex-pat  I've learned a lot from your posts, especially recently and appreciate your perspective.  Keep posting and thanks.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.19  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.18    4 years ago
So you're too old to qualify for permanent resident status.

Again you're wrong.  My advanced age prevented me from getting a working visa - there is no such thing as "permanent" resident status for a foreigner.  NO visas for foreigners are "permanent".  

Of course I'm fully aware of the Tank Man situation.  Does your govenment desire a revolution?   Does it encourage it?   Welll, neither does the Chinese government. 

Oh, I just realized, your government DOES encourage revolution, as long as it's elsewhere, like Hong Kong for instance. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.20  Sparty On  replied to  lib50 @8.1.17    4 years ago

You call it going after him.    I call it a difference of opinion.    Adults can disagree with each other without calling each other a SOB.

My exchange with Buzz is proof of that.    I respect Buzz’s opinion and I think he respects mine.    We simply don’t agree with each other.    Which is really no biggie in the end.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  lib50 @8.1.17    4 years ago

Thank you so much lib50.  Your encouragement means so much to me.  It's a hard battle I'm forced to endure here, but I won't succumb to ignorance and xenophobia. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1.22  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.20    4 years ago

Yes, Sparty On, as I've already said to you, I appreciate our civil discussions.  I resent those who feel they gain points by insulting and taunting, but members with open minds can see that those who do so are admitting their failure.

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.2    4 years ago

Really? Which of her Executive orders targets specific areas that didn't vote for her? Please list them...

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.24  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.18    4 years ago
YOUR facts about China are what the STATE CONTROLLED MEDIA permit you to know. 

It may behoove you to recognize that since Buzz has access to NT, he's probably capable of accessing the vast majority of media that you and I have. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.25  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.23    4 years ago

3.1.17

Virtually all 79 of those counties.    Most of which didn’t vote her in and she knows it.    She is pandering to the 3 or 4 most populous counties in the state that did.

I don’t expect you to agree but then again what you know about it.    You don’t live here ..... do you?

 
 
 
Kavika
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8.1.26  Kavika   replied to  Sparty On @8.1.25    4 years ago

I thought one of the more interesting things in the election was that she won 9 counties that Trump had won in 2016.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.27  Sparty On  replied to  Kavika @8.1.26    4 years ago

Wouldn’t read much into it.    She replaced a two term Republican.    More or less unheard of for a party to get three in a row in Michigan

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.28  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.25    4 years ago
Virtually all 79 of those counties.    Most of which didn’t vote her in and she knows it.    She is pandering to the 3 or 4 most populous counties in the state that did.

I didn't ask you to cite the number of counties Sparty. I asked you to cite the SPECIFIC Executive orders that are "aimed at areas that didn’t vote for her' as you claimed. 

Since you failed to do so and instead deflected, I'll presume that you're comment was unfounded or more plainly, BULLSHIT. 

I don’t expect you to agree but then again what you know about it.    You don’t live here ..... do you?

This isn't about a 'difference of opinion' Sparty, it's about documented FACTS. The Executive orders that your Governor has signed throughout the COVID-19 crisis are readily available for all to see online. 

I live within 4 miles of the MI boarder but unlike you I felt it wise to keep up to date on the restrictions in MI. I travel in and out of MI on a regular basis for business and pleasure. 2 of my long time clients are in Berrien County and my in-laws live in Niles. On Tuesday I did a security check of a clients 'beach house' in Union Pier, they are quarantined in Grand Rapids were they live and own multiple restaurants. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.29  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.27    4 years ago
More or less unheard of for a party to get three in a row in Michigan

Especially after he knowingly poisons his citizens. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.30  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.28    4 years ago
I didn't ask you to cite the number of counties Sparty. I asked you to cite the SPECIFIC Executive orders that are "aimed at areas that didn’t vote for her' as you claimed. 

Lol, called that one.    The “specific” executive orders have been covered here extensively by myself and others.    Strange that someone allegedly so well read wouldn’t have made the connection.    

Since you failed to do so and instead deflected, I'll presume that you're comment was unfounded or more plainly, BULLSHIT. 

Now I know I’m on the right track if you think it’s bullshit.    Not that I needed the affirmation as I already call it that you would. So predictable.

I don’t expect you to agree but then again what you know about it.    You don’t live here ..... do you?

This isn't about a 'difference of opinion' Sparty, it's about documented FACTS. The Executive orders that your Governor has signed throughout the COVID-19 crisis are readily available for all to see online. 

I live within 4 miles of the MI boarder but unlike you I felt it wise to keep up to date on the restrictions in MI. I travel in and out of MI on a regular basis for business and pleasure. 2 of my long time clients are in Berrien County and my in-laws live in Niles. On Tuesday I did a security check of a clients 'beach house' in Union Pier, they are quarantinedin Grand Rapids were they live and own multiple restaurants. 

Thanks for affirming the ludicrous nature of that order.    People from out of state can come into the state to check a vacation home but MICHIGAN residents can’t.

Absolutely ridiculous.    Guess you didn’t read that one eh?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.31  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.29    4 years ago

Poisoning really compliments of the Democrat management of Flint and other formerly nice areas in southern Michigan that Democrat rule ran into the ground decades ago.

Only reason the state became involved with Flint in the first place was because decades of inept democrat management.

Try to sell that snake oil to someone who doesn’t know better

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.32  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.30    4 years ago
Lol, called that one.    The “specific” executive orders have been covered here extensively by myself and others.    Strange that someone allegedly so well read wouldn’t have made the connection.  

Yet you're STILL incapable of citing even ONE that is "aimed at areas that didn’t vote for her' as you claimed.

Still failing. 

Now I know I’m on the right track if you think it’s bullshit.    Not that I needed the affirmation as I already call it that you would. So predictable.

I cite it as bullshit because it is and you haven't provided ANY evidence to refute that characterization. 

Your deflection and denial is SO predictable. 

Thanks for affirming the ludicrous nature of that order.    People from out of state can come into the state to check a vacation home but MICHIGAN residents can’t.

Actually the order states that Michigan residents can't travel to 'vacation rentals'. After April 10, they were prohibited from traveling from one RESIDENCE to another. If you have a 'vacation home' that you are worried about, and don't have ME to check it for you, I suggest you call your local LEOs and ask them to do a security check. 

Absolutely ridiculous.    Guess you didn’t read that one eh?

I guess YOU didn't read the part that allows businesses to conduct 'basic operations' that 'ensure security'. I am the registered 'emergency contact' for both the security companies and the Sheriff's Dept for 2 properties in Michigan and another dozen in Indiana. If there are issues with those properties, the security company or the LEOs call ME. On a 2 AM emergency call from the local PD I can go reset the alarm system, that is keeping neighbors awake, in less than an hour. The security company would take a day or more. I can also access the property and turn off the water main if there has been damage to the pipes, or call in a trusted subcontractor to tarp a roof that's been damaged by a storm or, or, or...

That's the SERVICE that I offer to over a dozen property owners that do not live close enough to their property to assess the issue and act in an emergency. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.33  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.32    4 years ago

Lol .... your rationalizations just get better and better.    Registered emergency contact eh?     Hilarious.

I’d try to explain the rest to you but there is no point.     Suffice it to say that once again you wrong on all counts.    Completely wrong.    SOSDD.

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.34  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.33    4 years ago
Registered emergency contact eh?     Hilarious.

Yes Sparty, those are the people like ME who are TRUSTED by wealthy people, the kind that have Picasso etchings in their dens and go to Italy with their dog for the winter, to maintain and manage their property. I'm not surprised that you are unaware of the existence of my specialty since you have no use for it. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.35  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @8.1.34    4 years ago

Are we supposed to be impressed? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.36  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.34    4 years ago
my specialty

That explains a lot.

Most Americans specialty first and foremost is taking care of theirs and their own.   And they chaff when their government tells they can't do that but a third party from another state can do it.   What ludicrous concept to have in the USA.

And I'm not surprised in the least that the veracity of any of that continues to elude you since you appear to have no use for most Americans reality.

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.37  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1.35    4 years ago

Since I could not care less about your opinion of me, NO. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
8.1.38  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.36    4 years ago
That explains a lot.
Most Americans specialty first and foremost is taking care of theirs and their own.  

Really Sparty? Is that YOUR business model? 

And they chaff when their government tells they can't do that but a third party from another state can do it. What ludicrous concept to have in the USA.

I have already debunked your BS about Michigan residents not being able to check on their own properties. Just stop. 

And I'm not surprised in the least that the veracity of any of that continues to elude you since you appear to have no use for most Americans reality.

Blather on Sparty.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.39  It Is ME  replied to  Dulay @8.1.38    4 years ago
I have already debunked your BS about Michigan residents not being able to check on their own properties. Just stop. 

Actually....you made Sparty on's case ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

8.1.32  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @ 8.1.30  

"Actually the order states that Michigan residents can't travel to 'vacation rentals'. After April 10, they were prohibited from traveling from one RESIDENCE to another."

Of course….we all know that if you live in a "residence" …… you don't need to travel to check on it. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.40  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.38    4 years ago
Really Sparty? Is that YOUR business model? 

Not just mine, most Amercians.   We take pride in caring of our own stuff because we can.   Unlike elitists who have to hire the unwashed masses to do it for them.   Don't get me wrong though.   I'm all for the jobs they are giving the unwashed masses.   People have to work somewhere.   Even if they have to work for dicks.

You've debunked exactly jack-shit.

And its nothing new that you claim that you have.

SOP considering.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.41  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.39    4 years ago

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.42  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.41    4 years ago
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

That's a "for sure" ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.43  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.40    4 years ago

Sad comments from someone who just lamented the partisan sniping back and forth ...

 
 
 
Sparty On
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8.1.44  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.43    4 years ago

Nah but i understand how YOU might think that.

Elitism has no party boundaries.   Just as many elitist pricks on the right as there is on the left.

And then there are the majority of us in the middle with a "bad" business model .....

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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8.1.45  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @8.1.38    4 years ago
I have already debunked your BS about Michigan residents not being able to check on their own properties.

You did? Maybe it would behoove you to read the bitches EO's

Between two residences in this state, through April 10, 2020. After that date, travel between two residences is not permitted. 
 

Enjoy

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.46  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.40    4 years ago
Not just mine, most Amercians.   We take pride in caring of our own stuff because we can.   Unlike elitists who have to hire the unwashed masses to do it for them.   Don't get me wrong though.   I'm all for the jobs they are giving the unwashed masses.   

So your 'business model' is to view people with money to pay you for your services as 'elitists' and yourself as a member of the 'unwashed masses'. Pretty sad existence. 

MOST Americans pay others to perform services. Electricians, Plumbers, Landscapers, Mechanics, Tax preparers, Painters, Contractors, Lawyers, Accountants, Hair Stylists; the list goes on and on. 

I for one do not view ANY of those professionals as 'the unwashed masses'. In fact, I don't view ANYONE that way. But you be you Sparty. 

People have to work somewhere.   Even if they have to work for dicks.

I'm self employed and none of my clients are 'dicks'. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1.47  Sparty On  replied to  Dulay @8.1.46    4 years ago

Lol .... you are piece of work Dulay ..... no doubt about that.

I've hammered enough here so i'll leave you with one last thought that i've repeated at least a half a dozen times here.   Although i don't know why since it clearly isn't penetrating the needed brain housing group ............

Allowing out of state "service contractors" to come into Michigan. to check on a Michigan home and not allowing the in state owners to do it themselves, is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.   Totally ludicrous.

Anyone who feels that something like that is reasonable, has to be about one tilt away from having the cheese slip completely off their cracker.

You have wonderful day now ya hear and i hope it all works out for you and your wife with her work.

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.48  Dulay  replied to  Sparty On @8.1.47    4 years ago
Allowing out of state "service contractors" to come into Michigan. to check on a Michigan home and not allowing the in state owners to do it themselves, is one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.   Totally ludicrous.

I'll repeat ONE MORE TIME, there is NO restriction of Michiganders to check on their own property. Y'all are just not allowed to move from one resident to another. 

Oh and AGAIN, Michiganders can also call LEO's to check on their other property if it's out of town.

My clients that live in Illinois aren't coming to their Indiana homes either. There are a lot of 'empty' weekend homes that local Sheriffs are patrolling 24/7. Neighbors are keeping an eye out for homes that they know are empty. Hell, one of my neighbors went to stay with her sister for the duration so I do a walk around checking doors and outbuildings on a daily basis. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    4 years ago
No shove it up their ass gets the American population, which has already succeeded in making the numbers of infections and deaths in America astronomical (beyond primitive societies) because of ignorant resistence. .

What a vile (and inaccurate) thing to say. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.2.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  XDm9mm @8.2.1    4 years ago

 He is after all a VISITOR in China and can disappear or be deported by looking at the wrong thing at the wrong time

I get that.  But there's a difference between not saying anything and actively promoting anti-Amerivan propaganda.  There's no need for anyone to actively promote CCP talking points on this site. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
8.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2    4 years ago
because of ignorant resistence. .

What ignorant resistence is that Buzz?  Perhaps you are reading Chinese propaganda?

Actually American citizens have been praised by leading scientist and doctors for their cooperation and compliance during the pandemic.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sunshine @8.2.3    4 years ago

I wasn't referring to the doctors and scientists, Sunshine, I was referring to the people who are resisting the needed safety procedures and endangering the lives of others, and the government figures who are encouraging that. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.2    4 years ago

Your continuing ignorant accusations are really becoming tiresome, and as I'm now determining, other members are beginning to see that.themselves.

I post what I think, and I don't use or require the CCP to guide me, so I don't recite what they might say, but what I determine to be correct using my own life experiences.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
12  evilone    4 years ago

They are as free to protest clogging streets as were those in Minneapolis were protesting unjustified police shootings. You know those ones the Trump Humpers said they would run over if they had the chance. I also feel if anyone is dumb enough to congregate (I know most of these particular people were in cars, but others like in Ohio were not) they deserve whatever fate hands them. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
12.1  Ronin2  replied to  evilone @12    4 years ago

You do know the governor has shut down most of Michigan right? Clogging the streets- what a fucking joke. Exactly who the hell were they blocking besides each other?

Unlike the moronic left that like to shut down highways and city streets during rush hour. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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14  KDMichigan    4 years ago

Whitmer was being interviewed by Creepy Joe yesterday during the rally...

256

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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14.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @14    4 years ago

So really this isn't an article about any actual facts, but just more political hackery. Gotchya. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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14.1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.1    4 years ago

300,000 people say it is actual facts. I am not allowed to go to a job and work by myself. I am not allowed to jump in my boat and go fishing. I am not allowed to buy paint to paint my bathroom walls. I am not allowed to buy seeds to plant for my garden. Is that enough overreach for you? I just had a woman call me wanting me to replace her deck. when I told her I couldn't because I'm not paying the thousand dollar fine if some Nazi turns me in she said she would call someone else. Guess what, you can not buy the lumber to replace her deck. the lumber yards will not sell to you for new construction. So don't tell me it is political hackery Perrie.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @14.1.1    4 years ago

We’re just a bunch of country hicks whose opinions don’t matter to the secular progressive urban elites...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @14.1.1    4 years ago
I am not allowed to go to a job and work by myself.

How? Please explain?

I am not allowed to jump in my boat and go fishing.

Yet I just read that it's not all boats but motor boats that are prohibited. 

I am not allowed to buy paint to paint my bathroom walls. I am not allowed to buy seeds to plant for my garden.

Sure you can if you have paint and seed at home. What you can't do is go into a part of a store that sells those supplies. And as I said earlier, maybe that has to do with personnel. No one has answered that question for me. 

As for the lumber situation do you have the personnel to sell? Is it actually banned to sell lumber from lumber yards? 

And btw, throwing around the Nazi word I find offensive since I don't see you being taken away to death camps. Godwin's rule. 

Also what I was referring to was the dumb meme that had nothing to do with this article and shows me that this is politically motivated. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @14.1.2    4 years ago

Do not put words into my mouth and do not call me a secular progressive urban elites. I never called anyone a hick and as far as I am concerned I live in the country.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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14.1.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.1.3    4 years ago
How? Please explain?

What is to explain? It is decreed that renovations are unnecessary, period.

Yet I just read that it's not all boats but motor boats that are prohibited. 

And? You can gas up your car to go to the park to take a walk but I can't gas up my boat. Do you think her decree has pissed people off? remember what state you are talking about.

 And as I said earlier, maybe that has to do with personnel.

Well then its up to the stores to establish safe guidelines like they have already done here. It is not the personnel. It is her mandate. Peoples livelihood depends on spring sales.

Is it actually banned to sell lumber from lumber yards? 

The personnel is there. I can call in a order, a person loads it on a truck. It gets dumped on the job. 90% of the time I am not even there for a lumber delivery. Again, her mandate. Oh and FYI the lumber companies have not laid off there employees. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @14.1.5    4 years ago

KD,

I have read your post and it leads me to want to read the actual decree since none of it makes sense and I don't see how it could be beneficial to either the state, or her re-election. In fact, the gas thing just sounds nuts. There has to be more to this than that. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @14.1.6    4 years ago
From what I've heard, out of state people don't have the same restrictions.  THEY can go to their lake cabins, but residents can't.

That is a simple one to answer. You can't stop interstate highways, so people from out of the state can come in. For that very reason, I don't see how they can stop in staters from doing the same. What happens when they try? Are there blockades all over the state on every road, including back roads? That is why I am not getting this. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
14.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.1.3    4 years ago
I am not allowed to buy paint to paint my bathroom walls. I am not allowed to buy seeds to plant for my garden.

Give me your address and I'll buy paint and seeds online and send them to you. 

Oh nevermind. You could do that for yourself. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.1.4    4 years ago

That post wasn’t directed to or at you.   It was in response to KD’s post about the effects of the idiot urban Michigan governor on rural people.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @14.1.10    4 years ago

Why should he even be put in that position?  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
14.2  Sparty On  replied to  KDMichigan @14    4 years ago

I wonder if her hair smells like jasmine.

😬

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
14.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  KDMichigan @14    4 years ago

Least he didn't just straight up rape her or grab her pussy like Trump would have.

 
 
 
bugsy
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14.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @14.3    4 years ago

When did he do that? Please be specific with charges that were filed and the dates he was found guilty.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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14.3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bugsy @14.3.1    4 years ago

There are no such events.  Just a ridiculous whataboutism to derail the conversation from the dictatorial god complex governor of Michigan and her ridiculous control freak power trip.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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15  devangelical    4 years ago
the liberal attack on the economy is becoming a serious threat right now

... while attempts to reassign blame for WH foot dragging at the onset of the covfefe virus continue

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @15    4 years ago

There was no WH foot dragging regarding the Communist China caused Wuhan lab virus.  

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.1  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1    4 years ago

That is a LIE.  Trump didn't follow the intel and he didn't  do anything to mitigate what was coming here.From medical equipment to economic damage, he golfed, held rallies and lied about what he had been told. You are pulling 'lab virus' out of your ass as well, its not true, a stupid conspiracy theory.

Andersen assembled a team of evolutionary biologists and virologists, including Garry, from several countries to analyze the virus for clues that it could have been human-made, or grown in and accidentally released from a lab.

“We said, ‘Let’s take this theory — of which there are multiple different versions — that the virus has a non-natural origin … as a serious potential hypothesis,’ ” Andersen says.

Meeting via Slack and other virtual portals, the researchers analyzed the virus’s genetic makeup, or RNA sequence, for clues about its origin.

It was clear “almost overnight” that the virus wasn’t human-made, Andersen says. Anyone hoping to create a virus would need to work with already known viruses and engineer them to have desired properties.

But the SARS-CoV-2 virus has components that differ from those of previously known viruses, so they had to come from an unknown virus or viruses in nature. “Genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone,” Andersen and colleagues write in the study.

“This is not a virus somebody would have conceived of and cobbled together. It has too many distinct features, some of which are counterintuitive,” Garry says. “You wouldn’t do this if you were trying to make a more deadly virus.”
 
 
 
Ronin2
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15.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @15.1.1    4 years ago

So that is Trump. What country was prepared for this. Anyone in Europe? How about Russia? The Middle East? Asia? Come on answer the question.

Then explain the shit Democrats gave Trump for his limited travel ban out of China before the pandemic was declared. 

Then tell us all the great plans the Democrats have for combating this pandemic, the economic recovery, and preventing it from happening again. Hint, they don't have shit outside of blaming Trump. As if replacing Trump with Biden will suddenly make China a responsible country for the next time. Will have the US better prepared for the next pandemic. Or will make the economy suddenly recover.

At least Trump is keeping the light shining on China and WHO. Democrats just want to forgive, forget, and cover things up until next time.

 
 
 
lib50
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15.1.4  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1.3    4 years ago

Most countries weren't prepared and could have done better.  I'm American and have one of the  worst leaders.  You know who has done better?  Countries with women leaders. 

In the global fight against the Coronavirus, New Zealand and Germany are notable exceptions, with the former having almost completely “squashed” the virus after recording only one death, and the latter experiencing nowhere near the level of suffering that’s occurring in France, Italy, Spain, Russia, the Netherlands and the UK.

New Zealand and Germany are also notable for the fact that both have female leaders – Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Chancellor Angela Merkel, an all too rare reality in the sphere of international politics.

Ardern’s handling of the crisis has been described as a “ masterclass ” in political leadership, with Professor Michael Baker – one of the world’s leading epidemiologists – describing New Zealand as a “huge standout as the only Western country that’s got an elimination goal” for the virus, while Merkel has been lauded for pulling out the “bazooka ” against the threat.

In Taiwan, early intervention measures have controlled the coronavirus pandemic so successfully that it is now exporting millions of face masks to help the European Union and others.

Germany has overseen the largest-scale coronavirus testing program in Europe, conducting 350,000 tests each week, detecting the virus early enough to isolate and treat patients effectively.
In New Zealand, the prime minister took early action to shut down tourism and impose a month-long lockdown on the entire country, limiting coronavirus casualties to just nine deaths. ..................
Four of the five Nordic countries are led by women. Their countries each have lower death rates from coronavirus compared to the rest of Europe. For example, Finland's Prime Minister, 34-year-old Sanna Marin, is the world's youngest leader but she has an 85% approval rating among Finns for her preparedness for the pandemic, with only 59 deaths in a population of 5.5 million.
Trump screwed it up.  Boris screwed it up. Italy screwed it up.
But TRUMP is OUR screw up.
 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.5  Sparty On  replied to  lib50 @15.1.4    4 years ago

Yes, our woman leader in Michigan is doing a fine job. /S

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.7  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @15.1.6    4 years ago

Excuses, excuses.  The dear leader can't lead and Trumpers go off and throw blame into the fan hoping it will stick anywhere but on the person who is supposed to be the leader of the UNITED States.  Fuckwit has flipflopped more than a pancake breakfast.  He doesn't want to do anything because he thinks he can dodge responsibility.  He can't, he is the top and the buck stops with him whether he likes it or not.  Meantime, the BAGGERS (yep, its the same folk who brought us the teabagging racists who dogged Obama for 8 years) are back trying to defend Trump by attacking a gov trying to keep her citizens alive. It would serve all those protesters right to infect each other and spread it to their loved ones over their hometowns.  And be denied treatment since they asked for it.  How does that sound?  I hope they don't, that would be a disaster.  But I bet someone has a Boris moment.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.10  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @15.1.8    4 years ago

The truth hurts, XD.  I'm reading posts and watching protests from people who think culling the herd is a good idea to get the economy going.  I'm reflecting Trump's and the gops own ideas!   Are you trying to deny that now?  Don't come at me with horror when I hold the mirror up to what you and others here are saying today about acceptable death levels vs economy. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.11  lib50  replied to  Release The Kraken @15.1.9    4 years ago

Never happen as long as you can't handle women with balls.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.15  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @15.1.14    4 years ago

A GOP Indiana lawmaker said it’s time for officials to “put on our big boy and big girl pants” and reopen the coronavirus-ravaged US economy — even if it means more Americans will die .

“It is policymakers’ decision to put on our big boy and big girl pants and say it is the lesser of these two evils,” Rep. Trey Hollingsworth told radio station WIBC-FM of Indianapolis.

“It is not zero evil, but it is the lesser of these two evils, and we intend to move forward in that direction. There is no zero harm choice here. We are going to have to look Americans in the eye and say, ‘We are making the best decisions for the most Americans possible’ and the answer to that to get Americans back to work, to get Americans back to their businesses.”

The two-term lawmaker, who has a reported net worth of $50.1 million, making him the 12th-richest member of Congress, acknowledged that people could suffer if the economy were to reopen too quickly, but asserted that the economic tailspin also has caused suffering...........................

Texas GOP Sen. John Cornyn agreed.

“I’m a big fan of Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx. I think they’ve done a great job,” he said, referring to Dr. Deborah Birx, another task force member.

“But their job is public health. We also need to realize that we can’t continue like this for a long time without there being enormous personal and economic consequences,” he said,

Republican talking points on the economic crisis caused by the coronavirus has taken a morbid turn over the past few days. Though early last week, the GOP dominated the messaging over welfare benefits that would have seemed unimaginable in February — benefits designed to encourage Americans to stay at home and reduce the risk of transmission — Trump and other Party leaders are now pushing to reopen the economy as early as next week despite public health experts’ advice that such an action would jeopardize millions of Americans before the country even faces the worst of the pandemic.

Trump’s push for a return for normalcy can be boiled down to his repeated call that “We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.” To help clarify the argument, Texas Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick went on Fox News on Monday night, where he suggested to Tucker Carlson that an America without social distancing — or a good chunk of the population over 65 — would be preferred to one in which Americans continue to protect each other by remaining at home:

“No one reached out to me and said, as a senior citizen, ‘Are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that all America loves for your children and grandchildren?’ And if that’s the exchange, I’m all in … I just think there’s lots of grandparents out there in this country like me — I have six grandchildren — that what we all care about and what we love more than anything are those children. I want to live smart and see through this. But I don’t want the whole country to be sacrificed and that’s what I see.”

It’s bad enough that most Americans think that 40,000 road deaths a year is just the price we pay for the freedom to go wherever we want whenever we want — but now that argument is being used by conservatives who want to abandon the health practices that can help us defeat the coronavirus.

President Trump was the latest Republican to trot out the argument that we may simply have to let vulnerable people die from COVID-19 so we don’t completely devastate our economy — and he did so by linking it to the falsity that traffic deaths are just the cost of keeping capitalism moving.

“And you look at automobile accidents, which are far greater than any numbers [of potential COVID-19 deaths] we’re talking about,” the president said at his March 23 press briefing . “That doesn’t mean we’re going to tell everybody no more driving of cars. We have to do things to get our country open.”

Republican Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana said in a Fox News ..

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Republican Sen. John Kennedy of Louisiana said in a Fox N ..

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lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.17  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @15.1.16    4 years ago

Come back when you understand not everything is literal.  Look up analogy.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.18  Sparty On  replied to  Release The Kraken @15.1.13    4 years ago

God I love NTers.    

Where people can debate if a woman with balls in still a man or man without balls is still a woman

Good times I tell you, good times .....

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
15.1.19  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @15.1.12    4 years ago

Actually, woman do have 'balls', they're just interior organs. Much better design for safety from damage. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.1.20  Thrawn 31  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1    4 years ago

So even though the WHO warned at the end of January that this shit was serious, and dip shit didn't even stop pretending it wasn't until late March, he didn't drag his ass all over the place?

Fuck Trump, the fact that the US is the epicenter for this is 100% on him. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1.21  lib50  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.18    4 years ago

You're welcome

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.22  Sparty On  replied to  lib50 @15.1.21    4 years ago

Come back when you understand not everything is literal.    Look up hyperbole.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1.23  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.22    4 years ago

They will say anything to divert attention away from the stupid vindictiveness of the governor of your state and her petty revenge because she couldn’t declare her power trip into the middle of July. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.24  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1.23    4 years ago

All anyone in Michigan is asking for is more common sense and logic.    People like Whitmer and her supports on operating largely on emotion, on bias and not reason.

Never a good thing

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
15.1.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.24    4 years ago

It's the liberal way. Feelings over intellect disguised as the latter.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.24    4 years ago

Has she shown any sign of coming to her senses if she has any and begun to relax any of her ludicrous restrictions and begin the process of reopening Michigan’s economy?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.27  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1.26    4 years ago

Nope, not that I’ve heard.   Prolly won’t happen until closer to the April 30th deadline if it does.

If the SOS is any indicator my drivers license renewal which is due late this month got extended to June 30th.    I think that’s the date she’s been target fixated on the entire time

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.27    4 years ago

I thought the legislature only gave her until April 30.  I can’t imagine them renewing any arrangement with that thing in the governors office after the present outrage.  People there should engage in outright open mocking defiance of-the excessive portions of the newest parts of her order.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.29  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1.28    4 years ago

They did.    

My point was the SOS is already using June 30th for the purposes of DL renewals that come due since this all started.

Thats pretty telling imo.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
15.1.30  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.29    4 years ago

I don't see why DL renewal is that hard. Here one can do it online. Not even have to go to the DMV. Also a choice for 4 or 8 years.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
15.1.31  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @15.1.30    4 years ago

I have renewed for 6 years for several years. Now we can renew online as well here in So Cal. I renewed my license in 2018, and it was the first time in several years that I have had to go to the DMV to renew it. Most of my renewals have been for 6 years, but, the most recent one is for only 5 years. No option on renewal dates.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1.32  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.29    4 years ago

It is. I thought I had it bad in California until I heard about what your governor dictator is doing.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.34  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @15.1.30    4 years ago

In Michigan, after doing two renewals indirectly, 8 years total, you are required to visit a SOS office.    Which makes total sense considering all the changes that can happen in 8 years.

Not that strange at all.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.35  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1.32    4 years ago

We all need our hands held in Michigan.    

Gov Whitmer is perfect for that job ....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1.36  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.35    4 years ago

Has she banned Nancy’s ice cream yet in your state?  😃

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.37  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.1.36    4 years ago

Lol, I wouldn’t even know where to get that but no worries.    

Culver’s is still open and that frozen custard is yummy enough for me and mine.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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15.1.38  KDMichigan  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.37    4 years ago

Slabtown was open, don't know about now. Peegeos wingies are really close to home though. Walking distance just in case Whitmer decides to shut down the gas stations next.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
15.1.39  Sparty On  replied to  KDMichigan @15.1.38    4 years ago

Been awhile since I’ve been there.    I heard it got sold.    

Still good food?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
15.1.40  KDMichigan  replied to  Sparty On @15.1.39    4 years ago

George sold it but now he is a employee. Same food, same employee's, same bar flies...jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.1.41  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @15.1.40    4 years ago

Just out of curiosity I was wondering if any of those from Michigan here are familiar with a sports oriented pro boards site AOL college football refugees?  Anyway I hope there will be a college football season with fans in the stands.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
15.2  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @15    4 years ago

Name one country, just one, that was prepared for this? Go ahead, we can wait while you dream up this non existent place. 

Trump received nothing but shit from Democrats for his partial travel ban with China. He would have received shit from both sides of the isle if he would have put a complete ban on everything, including goods, going in and out of China.

Of course the Chinese have no blame for lying about this disease; or letting it spread outside of the country. Nor does WHO that believed Chinese damn lies; and was overly slow to react. Once it left China it was too damn late for the rest of the world.

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!!

Thankfully Obama isn't at the helm- want to talk about slow reactions? Remember the H1N1 swine flu and his bullshit attitude? 

Of course Obama warned about another epidemic in 2014- and did jack shit of nothing to prepare for it.

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!!

When you have nothing worth of value to add scream Trump's name and pretend that it ends the argument.

Don't worry, those in power across the world haven't learned anything from this pandemic either. There will be a next one, and maybe it will be lethal enough to knock some sense into the morons in charge across the globe. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
15.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @15.2    4 years ago

Too much false information to address...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
15.2.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ronin2 @15.2    4 years ago
Name one country, just one, that was prepared for this? Go ahead, we can wait while you dream up this non existent place. 

South Korea. First reported case on the same day as the US, thus far 10.5k cases, 262 deaths. 

Trump received nothing but shit from Democrats for his partial travel ban with China. He would have received shit from both sides of the isle if he would have put a complete ban on everything, including goods, going in and out of China.

I gave himk shit for it because it was way too little, way too late. He did it after we already had community spread, thus it made virtually no difference. 
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @15.2.1    4 years ago

Such as?????

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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15.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @15.2.1    4 years ago

In other words it was all right on and you just can’t bring yourself to admit it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
15.2.5  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @15.2.4    4 years ago

No Xx. The vast majority of the comment has been debunked ad nauseam. If you don't know that, you haven't been reading many of the comments in your own fucking seeds for the last couple of weeks. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
16  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Fox News Hosts Rally Around Right Wing Stay-At-Home Order Protesters

Apr 16, 2020,

TOPLINE

Fox News media personalities Laura Ingraham, Jeanine Pirro and Tucker Carlson are coming out in support of protestors demonstrating against stay-at-home orders in states across the country, even as governors maintain the restrictions are slowing the spread and saving lives. 

AFP via Getty Images

KEY FACTS

Protests, most of them planned by conservative action groups, have broken out in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Utah, and North Carolina — with demonstrators picketing in front of state Capitol buildings, shouting at government officials, causing traffic jams —  railing against social distancing guidelines they say go too far. 

“Time to get your freedom back,” Ingraham, host of “The Ingraham Angle” on Fox News, tweeted Wednesday in response to a tweet showing people protesting against Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-at-home order, which drew thousands of people, the largest gathering so far.

Another Fox News host, Jeanine Pirro, said on Sean Hannity’s show that health officials “overblew” how many people were going to die from the virus and were now forcing people to stay home; she added that the “American spirit is too strong” to stay at home and that protests were going to happen “all over the country.”

Fox News host Tucker Carlson calledWhitmer “mindless and authoritarian” for instituting her state’s stay-at-home order and thanked the people protesting it: “Thank you for exercising your constitutionally protected rights as an American. Bless you.”

Governors in charge of the guidelines argue that the strict social distancing guidelines are necessary to slow the spread of the virus and save lives, even if the economy suffers and some civil liberties are curbed as a result; health officials have backed up these restrictions, and point to data showing that stay-at-home orders have lowered the rate of infection.  

Still, the protesters feel the orders should not come at the expense of business or certain freedoms; some have also criticized governors for deeming certain businesses essential, while leaving out others. 

Crucial quote

“The reason we started this group wasn’t that we were against the quarantine. We’re not,” said Garrett Soldano, founder of a group protesting Michigan’s stay-at-home order, “Michiganders Against Excessive Quarantine” on Monday. “We were against our very constitutional rights taken away from us.”

Chief critic

Even as governors remain supportive of the right to protest, most rallies have escalated into mass in-person demonstrations, which threaten public safety and could cause the virus to spread. 

“We know that these rallies endanger people,” said Michigan Gov. Whitmer. “This kind of activity will put more people at risk. And sadly, it could prolong the amount of time we have to be in this posture.”

Big number

Almost 650,000 people have been infected by the coronavirus in the U.S., the most of any country in the world. 

Further reading

Protests draw thousands over state stay-at-home orders during coronavirus pandemic (USA Today)

Some in right-wing media egg on protests against stay-at-home orders (CNN)

Pro-Trump Group Gathers Thousands In Drive-By Protest Of Michigan’s Stay-At-Home Order (Forbes)

Opponents of Stay-at-Home Orders Organize Protests at State Capitols (New York Times). 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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16.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16    4 years ago

It’s time to pressure states to resume to roll out.  Governors with big urban areas not ready to end lockdown need to be pressured to let their people in areas that are ready to resume their lives.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
16.1.1  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1    4 years ago
It’s time to pressure states to resume to roll out.  Governors with big urban areas not ready to end lockdown need to be pressured to let their people in areas that are ready to resume their lives.

Excellent idea!

That will certainly help the virus spread more quickly!

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
16.2  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16    4 years ago
Fox News Hosts Rally Around Right Wing Stay-At-Home Order Protesters

What a bunch of Mucking Forons!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
16.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Krishna @16.2    4 years ago

You wanna see a moron?   Here's a real moron. 

WARNING, THIS CONTAINS VERY GRAPHIC VIOLENCE:

Natural selection at work

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
17  Sunshine    4 years ago

Well I am not mowing my lawn.  I would have a heart attack pushing a mower up the hills I have.  Maybe I will try and sue her dumbass.

What does she expect people to do?

Yeah, beer and cigs are fine to go out and buy but don't you touch those plants. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
17.1  Freefaller  replied to  Sunshine @17    4 years ago
Well I am not mowing my lawn.  I would have a heart attack pushing a mower up the hills I have.

Me neither except the heart attack would come from trying to push through 2 ft of snow.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @17.1    4 years ago

I mowed my lawn and whacked weeds in my yard and I got paint for a room in my house. I go to my moms house to check in on her and my brother.  I even get gas for my car sometimes so that I can get a  42 ounce super big gulp drink inside.  I buy things in Walmart that aren’t essential. I don’t hoard toilet paper or anti bacterial soap or eggs and milk.  

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
17.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  XXJefferson51 @17.1.1    4 years ago

You forgot to take your cigarette boat for a spin

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
17.1.3  Freefaller  replied to  XXJefferson51 @17.1.1    4 years ago

Is there some reason you think I care? I made a joke to Sunshine, your to do list is of no interest or relevance.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @17.1.3    4 years ago

The protests have happened in states with GOP governors as well. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @17.1.3    4 years ago

It’s all stuff I can do in liberal California that the dictator of Michigan said endangers people’s health. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @17.1.2    4 years ago

I had a 1966 Glasspar 16’ boat with a 60hp evinrude outboard engine but sold it recently.  

 
 
 
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17.1.7  Freefaller  replied to  XXJefferson51 @17.1.5    4 years ago

Yes I assure you it would be very difficult to mow a lawn covered in snow

 
 
 
Freefaller
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17.1.8  Freefaller  replied to  XXJefferson51 @17.1.4    4 years ago

Honestly I'm not sure I could even start my lawn mower in the current temps here

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @17.1.8    4 years ago

It’s been 80-85 degrees in the afternoon here in upstate California.  We are supposed to get rain Monday. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
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17.1.10  Freefaller  replied to  XXJefferson51 @17.1.9    4 years ago
It’s been 80-85 degrees in the afternoon here

LMAO you suck, although it has been getting nicer here it's supposed to warm up to 11 today with some low teens through next week.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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17.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Freefaller @17.1.10    4 years ago

It’s cooler today.  Low60’s and spring showers expected.  

 
 
 
Krishna
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18  Krishna    4 years ago
Obviously they value money over people.

And probably some of Trump's "base" believes everything he says..without question!

(If he said "jump out of a firve story window onto the concrete sidewalk, you will survive" many of them would unquestionably jump...)

 
 
 
Tessylo
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20  Tessylo    4 years ago

Nyet freedom warrior, nyet.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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21  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Americans' loss of privacy and liberty during the coronavirus pandemic is unprecedented. A conservative spokesman is cautioning Americans that those losses could be permanent.

States and local municipalities are telling churches they can't meet – and in some cases, that they can't even gather in the parking lot in separate cars. Kentucky's Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, has shuttered churches, closed public parks, and put in travel restrictions. In Michigan, Governor Gretchen Whitmer – also a Democrat – has banned sales of plants, seeds, and garden equipment; and she has micromanaged what kind of watercraft are allowed on lakes in her state. (See earlier story)

Gary Bauer of American Values says America has never seen such a massive power grab – but it's in line with the "progressive playbook," he adds.

"The forces in our society that want to restrict liberty – particularly religious liberty – always use a crisis to advance their agenda," he begins.

The motto of the left, he suggests, might well be "Give us an inch and we'll take a mile."

"Imagine if we had a liberal administration going right now – or if one gets in office in January of next year – how this [violation of liberties would] absolutely soar out of control because of a love of power and a love of big government. You get these traditional politicians back in and I think we've got something to be concerned about."

Jan Markell, founder and director
Olive Tree Ministries(in an interview with OneNewsNow.com)

"You might think, 'Well, this is just temporary. I'm going to give up this liberty just because of this brief emergency we're in," Bauer continues – then he warns: "That ends up becoming a precedent – and left-wing judges, who tend to make up law as they go, will take that precedent and use it to continue to deny you your liberty."

Bauer argues that the country needs to open up, get back to work, restart the economy, and reclaim the birthrights that Americans possess. "It will help us avoid what nobody wants," he concludes, "which is a complete collapse of the economic system – [and that's] possible if we keep going down the road that the left wants us to go down now."

Here's the plan, says Trump

On Thursday evening, President Donald Trump outlined a three-phase plan for reopening the American economy, having told governors (during a Thursday afternoon conference call) "You're going to call your own shots." Thus far, three separate "pacts" of governors – one in the Northeast, one on the West Coast, and one in the Midwest – have been formed to coordinate on reopening their state economies. Those three pacts comprise 17 states and are home to nearly half the U.S. population.

Dan Celia of Financial Issues Stewardship Ministries calls Trump's plan "a great start [and] a good plan." But its success, he argues, depends on how the governors respond.

"It's all going to come down to everybody following the rules and the governors picking the right time and not being too quick to get back," says Celia. "But every day this economy is shut down is going to probably add months to the recovery."

Celia argues the key component has to be testing, adding that that will make people feel more comfortable being out or at work.

"Abbott Laboratories announced that they are ramping up production on this quick test," he concludes. "They're going to get it out to corporate America, to corporations, to anybody who wants it to get tested. It's going to give consumers confidence to get back out and start shopping."  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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21.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @21    4 years ago

The people of Michigan should continue to protest. Her threat to extend is hollow as the legislature only authorized her emergency until April 30.  She’s powerless to extend it.  The people can use civil disobedience openly  as most law enforcement in most counties won’t enforce beyond what the CDC guidelines suggest.  What’s she going to do? Call out the national guard to try to enforce her will in the rural counties?  

 
 
 
Sparty On
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23  Sparty On    4 years ago

Dr Birx is speaking this morning towards what I’ve been saying about this epidemic for awhile.   That is to say we need to react in a microscopic (granular was the word she used) way not macroscopic.

Michigan is a great example of this.    The map tells the tale:

Hot spots clearly require more restriction than lesser affected areas.     One size does not fit all.   This is just one area where Whitmer is failing the people.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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23.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sparty On @23    4 years ago

That’s the failure of progressive left top down systems of rule over us.  There is no reason to hold the people of The Whole state of Michigan to one standard based on the needs in the Detroit area just as there is no reason to hold all of America hostage to the rules New York might justly need there.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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24  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

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Protesters gathered outside the home of Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Thursday -- the same day reports emerged that she plans to extend the state’s coronavirus stay-at-home order by two weeks until May 15.

The demonstration, dubbed “Operation Queen’s Castle,” featured an image of Whitmer wearing a crown, FOX 2 of Detroit reported.

“We wanted to send Gretchen Whitmer a message, we didn't want to surrender our liberties just for a little temporary safety,” Brian Pannebecker, who helped organize the protest, told the station.

WHITMER BACKTRACKS AFTER COVID-19 CONTRACT AWARDED TO DEM CONSULTANT WHO SAID TRUMP SHOULD 'GET CORONAVIRUS ASAP'

Meanwhile, the Michigan Legislature has scheduled a special session for Friday with the goal of creating an oversight committee to review Whitmer’s coronavirus orders and possibly strip her of some of her powers, the Detroit Free Press reported.

Critics have accused Whitmer, a 48-year-old first-term Democratic governor, of overstepping her authority with a series of measures intended to stem the spread of coronavirus in the state. April 9 revisions to her initial stay-at-home order included bans on visiting friends and relatives or traveling to vacation homes, and halts on sales of items such as furniture and gardening supplies.

In a podcast interview, she also said abortions should continue in the state during the virus outbreak because the procedures were part of "life-sustaining" health care for women.

In addition, Whitmer came under fire after a no-bid coronavirus-related state contract was awarded to a firm operated by a well-known Democratic consultantwho had written that President Trump should "get coronavirus ASAP." Whitmer’s office later acknowleged that the contract was awarded without adhering to normal protocols.

Michigan House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, explained the point of Friday’s planned session in a Twitter message.

“The House & Senate will convene tomorrow to create a special oversight committee on COVID-19 to examine our government’s response,” he wrote. “Michigan needs to handle this pandemic seriously yet properly. It’s what the people deserve, and we will see that it happens.”

In another tweet, Chatfield noted that marijuana, lottery tickets and alcohol had been declared "essential," while lawn care, construction and fishing in a motorized boat had been declared nonessential amid the outbreak.

On Monday, Whitmer said she would take a 10 percent cut to her $159,300 annual salary and her staffers would take cuts of 5 percent as the state grapples with the financial fallout of the coronavirus shutdowns. She also continued defending the orders she has issued.

“I know it’s not easy, but the price of losing loved ones is what’s at stake,” she said, noting that many people who contract the virus show no symptoms but can still spread it.

The theme of Thursday’s protest in Lansing, the state’s capital city, was that many Michiganders who are able to work should be able to do so, Pannebecker said.

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“Younger people, healthy people, without putting anybody else in danger, including ourselves, and others in danger, should be able to go back to work,”  Pannebecker told FOX 2.

The demonstration came eight days after a larger gathering outside the Statehouse called “Operation Gridlock.”

As of late Thursday, Michigan had more than 35,200 confirmed cases of the virus and nearly 3,000 deaths, the Detroit News reported.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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24.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @24    4 years ago

Way to go Michigan legislature! Take away her excessive powers and restore normal rights to the states citizens.  Way to go protesters.  Whether the statehouse or the governors mansion remind her that we the people will protest no matter her threats.  

 
 

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