Tara Reade Assault Allegation: Democrats' Frustration Mounts as Biden Remains Silent

  
Via:  texan1211  •  4 weeks ago  •  177 comments

By:   Lisa Lerer and Sydney Ember (MSN)

Tara Reade Assault Allegation: Democrats' Frustration Mounts as Biden Remains Silent
Activists and women's rights advocates have urged Mr. Biden to address a former aide's allegation that he sexually assaulted her. His lack of response has angered them.

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For more than three weeks, progressive activists and women's rights advocates debated how to handle an allegation of sexual assault against Joseph R. Biden Jr. The conversations weren't easy, nor were the politics: Mr. Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, faced one allegation; his opponent, President Trump, at leasta dozen.

© Saul Loeb/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. at a news conference in Wilmington, Del., last month. He has yet to discuss the sexual assault allegation against him or be asked about it in an interview.

Finally, several of the women's groups prepared a public letter that praised Mr. Biden's work as an "outspoken champion for survivors of sexual violence" but also pushed him to address the allegation from Tara Reade, a former aide who worked in Mr. Biden's Senate office in the early 1990s.

"Vice President Biden has the opportunity, right now, to model how to take serious allegations seriously," the draft letter said. "The weight of our expectations matches the magnitude of the office he seeks."

Then Mr. Biden's team heard about the advocates' effort. According to people involved in the discussions, the group put the letter on hold as it began pressuring Biden advisers to push the candidate to make a statement himself before the end of April, which is Sexual Assault Awareness Month. Along with liberal organizers, they urged him to acknowledge the importance of survivors and the need for systemic change around issues of sexism and assault.

Nearly two weeks later, Mr. Biden and his campaign have yet to make that statement, and the advocates have not released their letter. The Biden campaign has said little publicly beyond saying that women deserve to be heard and insisting that the allegation is not true; privately, Biden advisers have circulated talking points urging supporters to deny that the incident occurred.

As two more women have come forward to corroborate part of Ms. Reade's allegation, the Biden campaign is facing attacks from the right and increasing pressure from the left to address the issue. And liberal activists find themselves in a tense standoff with a candidate they want to support but who they say has made little attempt to show leadership on an issue that resonates deeply with their party's base.

"It's difficult for survivors to see that a woman who has more corroborating sources than most survivors have in similar situations is being tossed aside and actively being weaponized by cynical political actors," said Shaunna Thomas, a founder of UltraViolet, a women's rights advocacy group that is involved in the effort to push the campaign. "It would be an incredible moment of leadership for Joe Biden to show up."

Since Ms. Reade spoke out in March with her allegation — that Mr. Biden penetrated her with his fingers in a Senate building in 1993 — his aides and advisers have denied it, saying it is "untrue." They have remained unconcerned about any significant political blowback from Ms. Reade's accusation, according to people who have spoken with the campaign, who insisted on anonymity to discuss private conversations.

Top Biden aides are telling allies that they do not see the allegation resonating with voters in a measurable way, these people say. They're confident that the allegation will not shake voters' perceptions of Mr. Biden's character as a devoted father and husband, with family ties forged through deep tragedies. They also believe that voters will view the allegation with great skepticism.

A Biden campaign spokesman declined to comment for this article on Wednesday. A Biden adviser said that the campaign was talking to activists and that Mr. Biden considered their views important.

The Biden campaign talking points, which were first reported by BuzzFeed News, instruct supporters to describe the candidate as a "fierce advocate for women" who has never faced any "complaint, allegation, hint or rumor of any impropriety or inappropriate conduct." The talking points also inaccurately suggested that an investigation by The New York Times this month found that "this incident did not happen."

In a statement issued Wednesday, The Times noted that the investigation "made no conclusion either way."

One person who received a version of these talking points said it was pulled back by the campaign several hours later because the campaign was revising its strategy. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose the private communication.

Mr. Biden has yet to be asked about the allegation in an interview. In a joint appearance with Hillary Clinton that was livestreamed on his website on Tuesday, he discussed domestic violence, economic challenges facing women and the stresses of the coronavirus pandemic. No mention was made of Ms. Reade or her specific allegation.

"Violence against women is a huge problem, and especially right now," he said. Ending violence against women has "been one of the leading causes of my life," he added.

His campaign on Tuesday also released plans to support women during the coronavirus crisis that included proposals to help victims of domestic violence.

In recent months, Mr. Biden has taken steps that appear to show he understands how a commitment to representation and equity might resonate with women, who make up the majority of voters for Democratic candidates. He has pledged to pick a woman as a running mate and nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court.

Yet as he seeks to unite the Democratic Party after the primaries and pivot to a general election against Mr. Trump, Ms. Reade's allegation remains a subject of intense discussion in the political world.

Republicans and the Trump campaign are already using the accusation to undercut Mr. Biden and the Democratic Party as hypocritical on issues of gender equity. Some in the party's liberal wing have seized on Ms. Reade's account, saying she should be heard and using her allegation to argue that Mr. Biden is not the party's strongest possible nominee — a tactic that Biden backers fear could hamper their ability to build Democratic enthusiasm around his bid.

© Max Whittaker for The New York Times Tara Reade worked for Mr. Biden as an aide in his Senate office in the early 1990s. She came forward with her new allegation in March. "It can't appear that she is being ignored," said Nina Turner, a former national campaign co-chair for Senator Bernie Sanders, Mr. Biden's last rival for the nomination. "If we want to keep our credibility as a party, then we will have to agree that this allegation and any allegation should be vetted in the public."

Apart from the discussions with the campaign, some progressive activists have been debating how to respond to the allegation, a conversation that has intensified in recent days.

"Joe Biden himself needs to respond directly," said Yvette Simpson, the chief executive of Democracy for America, a progressive advocacy organization, which plans to back the Democratic nominee. "While it is absolutely essential that we defeat Donald Trump in November, trying to manage the response through women surrogates and emailed talking points doesn't cut it in 2020 — especially if Democrats want to continue to be the party that values, supports, elevates, hears and believes women."

There has been no public polling on how voters are viewing the specific allegation, though surveys show that among voters who dislike both candidates, significantly more prefer Mr. Biden.

Tresa Undem, a pollster who specializes in surveys on gender issues, said that so far the allegation hasn't dampened support for Mr. Biden among Democrats. But that could change quickly, she said, depending on how Mr. Biden and his campaign handle the evolving situation.

"If the election was held today, I don't think he'd lose any support," she said. "But this is a huge deal that's not going away. The story is going to be on the hypocrisy, and that is the No. 1 thing voters loathe."

Among Republicans, the years of allegations against Mr. Trump have inflicted little damage with his base. He has been accused of sexualassault and misconduct by more than a dozen women, who have described behavior that went far beyond the allegation against Mr. Biden. He has repeatedly denigrated women over their appearance and intellect. The "Access Hollywood'' tape, in which he boasted about grabbing women's genitals, was released just weeks before his victory in the 2016 election.

In recent years, Democrats have sought to confront current and past misconduct in their own ranks and spoken bluntly about racial and gender inequalities.

Already, the allegation against Mr. Biden has caused top female allies — including several widely considered to be vice-presidential prospects, like Stacey Abrams of Georgia and Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota — to face questioning about whether they stand with Mr. Biden after the allegation. Privately, some female Democrats are growing frustrated with being put in the position of answering for Mr. Biden when he has remained silent, and male progressive leaders, even outspoken allies in combating sexual assault, have not been pressured to address this point.

Many have publicly defended him, including Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, who helped lead the effort to push Al Franken, the former Minnesota senator, to resign over sexual harassment accusations in 2017. "I stand by Vice President Biden," Ms. Gillibrand said on a conference call, adding there needed to be "space for all women to come forward to speak their truth, to be heard."

Last year, Ms. Reade was one of eight women who came forward to say Mr. Biden had kissed, hugged or touched them in ways that made them feel uncomfortable, but she did not raise the assault allegation then.

In an interview on Tuesday, Ms. Reade described herself as disappointed with the response from the Biden campaign, saying it had not contacted her. Ms. Reade backed Mr. Sanders in the primary race and does not plan to vote in the general election. She told The Times that politics were not the reason she came forward with her allegation, saying she did not want to be used by the Trump campaign.

"Sexual assault and sexual harassment in the workplace is a huge gender, institutionalized problem in our country, and the fact that they are not addressing my allegations head-on and dealing with the corroborating evidence is simply a testimony to the hypocrisy," she said. "There is no partisanship with sexual assault and harassment. It is an equal opportunity offender."

Last week, The Intercept published a transcript of a call that aired on a Larry King program between a woman living in California and Mr. King. The woman was seeking advice about what her daughter could do about "problems" she had while working for a "prominent senator" but did not specifically mention sexual assault or harassment. Ms. Reade has previously said her mother, who has since died, called into the program after she told her about her experience.

© Lucy Nicholson/Reuters Polling over the past four years shows that the #MeToo movement has reshaped how Democratic voters think about sexual misconduct, gender inequality and representation in government. Two women also came forward in an article this week in Business Insider to corroborate parts of Ms. Reade's account.

One of the women, Lynda LaCasse, a former neighbor of Ms. Reade's, said in an interview with The Times on Tuesday that Ms. Reade told her around 1995 about her encounter with Mr. Biden. Ms. LaCasse said she and Ms. Reade had been discussing their experiences with abuse and violence when Ms. Reade mentioned Mr. Biden.

"She said that he put her up against the wall and he put his hand up her skirt and he put his fingers inside her," Ms. LaCasse said, adding that Ms. Reade "was devastated. She sounded really upset. She was crying."

Ms. LaCasse, who is now 60 and lives in Oregon, said she was a Democrat and supported Mr. Biden. But she said she wanted to come forward because "that doesn't take away from what happened."

The second woman, Lorraine Sanchez, a former colleague of Ms. Reade's in the mid-1990s, said she recalled Ms. Reade describing an incident of harassment by her former boss. She provided a statement outlining her account to The Times.

Former Senator Barbara Boxer of California, who has endorsed Mr. Biden, said in an interview that she thought the campaign had handled Ms. Reade's allegation "well" and that it had "done everything that they can do." She said the Biden campaign had not given her talking points.

"If they ask me my advice," she said, "it would be keep on doing what they're doing."

Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman contributed reporting, and Kitty Bennett contributed research.


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Texan1211
1  seeder  Texan1211    4 weeks ago

Et tu, NYTimes?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @1    4 weeks ago

Sorry I didn't include this originally, I didn't know it was required now.

TRUMP IS NOT THE TOPIC HERE.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1    3 weeks ago

It appears that the gop/republicans/tRump supporters are really scared of Mr. Biden's chances.

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They appear to be scared shitless.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.3.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    3 weeks ago
It appears that the gop/republicans/tRump supporters are really scared of Mr. Biden's chances.

Seems it is the Democrats growing frustrated with old Joe.

Read the article, it explains it perfectly.

Democrats should be worried what falls out of Biden's mouth next.

Or who else will come forward.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.1    3 weeks ago

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Sean Treacy
2  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Not a single media person has asked him about this. 

Six weeks of pressure from alternative media and Fox has finally gained this story the slightest bit of traction six weeks after her published interview.  

Contrast that with Blasey Ford's story, where the media immediately pounced and framed it so Kavanaugh had to prove his innocence of of an ever evolving occurrence that took place at some unknown  point in the past, at some unknowm location.  The media's posture has gone from  "Believe all women" to ignore all accusers of Democrats and provide as much cover as possible for Democrats, in a year and a half.

It's actually probably a  good thing the MSM is so over the top in its bias that no can really take it seriously at this point.  The disparity in treatment  between Blasey Ford and Reade is just too vast to ignore. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    4 weeks ago
Not a single media person has asked him about this. 

In today's America, not surprising, is it?

It's actually probably a  good thing the MSM is so over the top in its bias that no can really take it seriously at this point.  The disparity in treatment  between Blasey Ford and Reade is just too vast to ignore. 

And yet, they will ignore it as long as they can get away with it. Which kind of seems indefinitely, just as long as the Kool-Aid drinkers keep partaking.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    4 weeks ago

It's actually probably a  good thing the MSM is so over the top in its bias that no can really take it seriously at this point.  The disparity in treatment  between Blasey Ford and Reade is just too vast to ignore. 

Sorta like the disparity in treatment of how TaDumpsters a tempt ta Defend the admitted LYING CHILD,

and ACCUSED MOLESTER and RAPIST , of Children/TEENS & Women

to

a KNOWN WOMENS' RIGHTS and Domestic Violence Advocate

.

I'll AGREE  it " is so over the top in its bias that no one can really take it seriously at this point."

.

When Biden's lawyer starts admitting he paid PLAYMATES 

and PORNSTARS             $130,000.00 a pop,  so to speak, to SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STAY QUIET,

get back to USA ll , 

cause the ADMITTED         PUSSY GRABBER IN CHIEF DESERVES NO SPECIAL TREATMENT OR FORGIVENESS WHEN IT COMES TO ETHICS AND MORALS AND PLAIN OLE COMMON DECENCY AND RESPECT OF WOMEN,

All of a sudden they are PRO WOMEN, and Women's rights, while excusing the PIG in CHIEF...?

Hippocritical clowns leaving none below them...?

Respect the womens' right to accuse, but circumstances suggest she's confused.

I'd bet she's been handsomely rewarded for smearing bidens name, AS

It's not $400,000.00 MILLION in threatened withholding of desperately needed military aid as she is in a war with RUSSIA, but to all who refuse to see it, it is the

SAME DAMN KINDA THING

AND BEHAVIOR tRUMPERS EXPECT FROM THEIR 

ANNOINTED KING AND SAVIOR

.

like Trumps trousers, PUT A SOCK INN IT ALREADY

i prfer Clinton gettin a little mutually agreed upon heady

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2    4 weeks ago

Please do come back when you can discuss the topic, which, much to your surprise, I'm sure, is NOT Trump.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2    4 weeks ago

All I have to say is creepy.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.3  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2    4 weeks ago

shooby dooby

clakity clak clak

popsicle stick

ernge jooce

Libs believe R next

D no

shaka lacka

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.2.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

yo go boy !

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.5  squiggy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2.2    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
2.2.6  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

I do believe only one person is fluent enough in gibberish to understand that!!

LOL!

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.7  squiggy  replied to  bugsy @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

Better call an ambulance.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.8  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  squiggy @2.2.7    4 weeks ago
Better call an ambulance.

No need to waste a valuable resource.

A WAHmbulance will suffice.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    4 weeks ago

You're right....and he gave me an atta boy!!

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.10  squiggy  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.8    4 weeks ago

No - Bugsy needs the ride. He understood! I'm scared for him.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.11  Jasper2529  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.11    4 weeks ago

384

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.13  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

Trump is off topic, Perrie.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.13    4 weeks ago

How convenient. You should post that at the beginning of the article. And btw, your article talks about Trump, which without an opening comment means he can be talked about.

 
 
 
pat wilson
2.2.15  pat wilson  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.11    4 weeks ago

Why has it only recently become a problem ?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.16  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

Immature whataboutism comments are so cute. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.17  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.14    4 weeks ago
How convenient. You should post that at the beginning of the article.

I wasn't aware I had to. I have had plenty of comments deleted as off topic without that disclaimer at the beginning of articles. If it is now a requirement, I will make sure I follow the rule in the future. But does that mean that now an author of an article is no longer allowed to determine the topic if they don't have that posted when the article is posted?

And speaking of convenience, wasn't it you who explicitly stated that children of elected officials were not allowed?

Thread removed. Children of elected officials are always not allowed.
 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2.18  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

Wow and I just got a post pulled for mentioning a elected officials children who is a adult.

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.19  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.18    4 weeks ago

I saw that, and quoted directly from it!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.2.20  1stwarrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

Perrie - that is Trump's daughter - in the one above, Joe picks EVERYBODY'S daughters - just not his.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.16    4 weeks ago

Nice work around with that insult. That isn't too cute. 

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.22  squiggy  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.19    4 weeks ago

There are millions of whites, millions of blacks, a few gazillion Asians but do you realize you need only 500 Indies for a race.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.23  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.12    4 weeks ago

So you are implying that Ivanka is a pervert.

Way to go!  That's a real winner.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.24  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.20    4 weeks ago
Perrie - that is Trump's daughter - in the one above, Joe picks EVERYBODY'S daughters - just not his.

Doesn't matter.

Trump and his family are clearly fair game here, while others are not.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.17    4 weeks ago

I'm not insulting Ivanka. This is about her dad. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.2.23    4 weeks ago
So you are implying that Ivanka is a pervert.

No, I am implying that her father is inappropriate with her. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.27  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.2.23    4 weeks ago
So you are implying that Ivanka is a pervert.

That is allowed because, well, TRUMP!!!!

But don't you dare try it with anyone else!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.27    4 weeks ago

No this is because of the utter BS about Biden, now that he is running. 

Funny how it never came out before then. In an over 40 year career. 

Anyone can look bad, with a little out of context photos, right? Didn't we decide that with the Indian and the boy with the Maga hat?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.20    4 weeks ago

1st,

I have another one that is everyone's daughter, too. 

You know, this used to be OK when men would kiss and cuddle kids. Now it's creepy? Give me a break. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.30  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.26    4 weeks ago

If that's the case then perhaps you should reconsider since you have no facts to support such an accusation of course. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.31  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.14    4 weeks ago
You should post that at the beginning of the article. 

As far as I know, there's nothing in CoC stating that a seeder must do this.

And btw, your article talks about Trump, which without an opening comment means he can be talked about.

One paragraph, Perrie. The article also fleetingly mentions Bernie Sanders, Barbara Boxer, and others, btw. 

Your comment 2.2.14 confirms that unpublished seeding "rules" are politically "flexible".

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.32  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.28    4 weeks ago
unny how it never came out before then. In an over 40 year career. 

Funny how it doesn't matter according to many of your cohorts.

 
 
 
squiggy
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.34  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.25    4 weeks ago
I'm not insulting Ivanka. This is about her dad. 

Your pictures included her.

Since the article mentioned Trump (briefly) and he is considered on topic by you, why can't we all assume that Ivanka, whose pictures appear above, is one of the subjects that you are insulting?

And if pictures of one politician's kid is not allowed, should all pictures of politician's kids be "never allowed"?

Or is that different?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.35  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.31    4 weeks ago

As we all know by now, the mere mention of someone's name does not make them the topic of any particular article.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.36  Freedom Warrior  replied to  squiggy @2.2.33    4 weeks ago

I would note that this is not the first time that information was provided in refutation of a similar comment.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.37  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.28    4 weeks ago
No this is because of the utter BS about Biden, now that he is running. 

It may well be. Maybe we should investigate further before passing judgment?

Funny how it never came out before then. In an over 40 year career. 

Maybe, maybe not. But what does that have to do with the article--Democrats feeling frustrated?

Anyone can look bad, with a little out of context photos, right? Didn't we decide that with the Indian and the boy with the Maga hat?

I seem to remember a lot of comments from someone about the boy smirking disrespectfully.

So anyways, when are the children of elected officials allowed and when aren't they? 

I get confused because it seem rather arbitrary.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.38  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.21    4 weeks ago
Nice work around with that insult. That isn't too cute. 

I didn't "insult" you, Perrie. As is appropriate, I addressed your whataboutism comment with humor and sarcasm (see emojis). 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.39  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.31    4 weeks ago
You should post that at the beginning of the article. 
As far as I know, there's nothing in CoC stating that a seeder must do this.

From the CoC:

The author defines the topic and has the right to ask members to stay on topic (as defined) and not disrupt the article.

Hence why Vic always spells out his policies, or had you not noticed this?

For more information about this, go to the Red Box Rules group.

One paragraph, Perrie. The article also fleetingly mentions Bernie Sanders, Barbara Boxer, and others, btw.  Your comment 2.2.14 confirms that unpublished seeding "rules" are politically "flexible".

As long as the article mentions something it is in play. There is nothing "flexible" about the rules, as I just explained. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.40  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  squiggy @2.2.33    4 weeks ago

Squiggy, 

You know how it is. Once something is out there it always goes viral. That is the internet. I could do the same thing with Trump. Would it make it all true?

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
2.2.41  Larry Hampton  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.2.23    4 weeks ago

Her post infers that rump is the creep, not Ivanka.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.42  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.34    4 weeks ago

Yes, she is the victim here. The meme with Biden also includes children. Is it about them, or Biden?

And what I removed was a disgusting comment about Obama's daughter. But here everyone is using photos as proof. So I am just showing how that goes. In the photos, Ivanka isn't doing anything wrong. She is doing what her father posed her to do. 

Now if I made a sexual/nasty/inappropriate comment about Ivanka you would be right.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.43  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.39    4 weeks ago
As long as the article mentions something it is in play. There is nothing "flexible" about the rules, as I just explained. 

I wish to be crystal clear in the future.

So if an article mentions something, no matter how briefly or in what context, and the author has not put that disclaimer in the BEGINNING of the article, it is acceptable to comment on it?

Do I have it right now?

And children of elected officials are acceptable NEVER, or just sometimes?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.44  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.38    4 weeks ago
Immature whataboutism comments are so cute. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

Gee, I didn't realize that the word immature was not insulting, along with an emoji that says basically, blah blah blah. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.45  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.41    4 weeks ago

From well placed/taken pictures Larry. And that alone. What does one call that? A misquote is always "out of context". An opportune picture is called what? Out of focus?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.46  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.43    4 weeks ago
I wish to be crystal clear in the future. So if an articlementionssomething,no matterhow briefly or in what context, and the author hasnotput that disclaimer in the BEGINNING of the article, it is acceptable to comment on it?

If something is to be off topic, you must put it into your first comment, preferably in red so no one can miss it. 

And children of elected officials are acceptable NEVER, or just sometimes?

You can not insult the children of elected officials, ever. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.47  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.42    4 weeks ago
In the photos, Ivanka isn't doing anything wrong. She is doing what her father posed her to do. 

C'mon. That's her father for God's sake. Are any of the pictures with Biden's kids? Hell, even grand kids. Nope. Mr. Biden seems to be an equal opportunity ........ummmm..........."liberty taker" shall we say.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.48  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.42    4 weeks ago
Yes, she is the victim here. The meme with Biden also includes children. Is it about them, or Biden?

In all honesty, I think that is terribly weak when an article can mention something and that you consider that as a the topic. Your picture show Ivanka, so why not consider that the topic of your post?

No real difference to me, and I suspect many others feel the same way about it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.49  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.47    4 weeks ago

Jim,

Do you have daughters? I do. I don't have any of them with their father. You know why? It's inappropriate. End of story.

. Nope. Mr. Biden seems to be an equal opportunity ........ummmm..........."liberty taker" shall we say.

I have photos of Trump doing the same thing. Should I post them?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.50  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.48    4 weeks ago

Because the meme clearly makes it about Trump, not Ivanka. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.51  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.49    4 weeks ago
I don't have any of them with their father. You know why? It's inappropriate.

Yes I have two grown daughters. And that those pictures are "inappropriate" to some. Meh, to others. Your opinion is fine for you. Not everyone it seems.

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Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.52  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.49    4 weeks ago
I have photos of Trump doing the same thing. Should I post them?

Sure. Any with the "subject" cringing? And Biden does not do it just to children. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.53  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.50    4 weeks ago

The pictures clearly make it about her-she is in every one of them.

That's okay--I was just trying to determine exactly when it is okay to include children of elected officials and when it isn't.

Still isn't very clear, as it seems to be depending on who the elected official is or who posts it or what the author of the post tells us it is.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.54  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.51    4 weeks ago

Jim,

Simple question. Do you have photos of you and your daughters like that?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.55  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.54    4 weeks ago

Like what? Sitting on my lap and dancing to some music? Sitting beside me or on my lap while watching TV? Where did the Ivanka pictures go? How about giving me a kiss on the cheek? How about me holding her in her bathing suit about to throw her in the lake? 

I think I may have but not sure if my ex saved any pictures that included me.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.56  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.39    4 weeks ago
From the CoC:
The author defines the topic and has the right to ask members to stay on topic (as defined) and not disrupt the article.
Hence why Vic always spells out his policies, or had you not noticed this?

No need to be sarcastic, Perrie, and there's no need to bring Vic's group policies onto Texan's seed, IMO.

Yes, I know that Vic reminds people of the topic on each of his seeds - I was one of the first members. Since we're allegedly adults, should seeders/authors really have to do this? NO.

Per your CoC quote, there's no mention that an author MUST define the topic. 

For more information about this, go to the Red Box Rules group.

I have no idea what that is. I no longer have much interest in spending more time here than I already do, since I get tickets even though I comply with our CoC/ToS rules. Following someone else's rules would be a waste of my time.

As long as the article mentions something it is in play.

Ah, OK. Another "rule" that's not in CoC/ToS and I've never seen in 3 years here. When I seed again, I'll make sure to note that it's your rule. Thanks for the heads up, because it will be a great help.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.57  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.39    4 weeks ago
As long as the article mentions something it is in play. There is nothing "flexible" about the rules, as I just explained. 

In my experience everything has been flexible in the application of the rules. That's the very nature of the rules. As such, there is no substitute for the actual experience we have encountered.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.58  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Larry Hampton @2.2.41    4 weeks ago

Only if you want it to be.  That's the reality. Such is the nature of false narratives and those that promote them.

And by the way, keep this in mind in the future.  jrSmiley_14_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.59  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.46    4 weeks ago
You can not insult the children of elected officials, ever. 

Then why did you post comment 2.2.12 ? And don't say that you were only "insulting" Trump. Ivanka is a grown woman who happens to have been Trump's child in those photos.  Biden caresses and sniffs other men's children and wives.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.60  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.42    4 weeks ago
Yes, she is the victim here. The meme with Biden also includes children. Is it about them, or Biden?

Now THAT is a very good question.

Is the article I posted about Trump, or about Democrats growing frustration with the Biden campaign refusal to address the issue?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.61  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.56    4 weeks ago
and there's no need to bring Vic's group policies onto Texan's seed, IMO.

Saw just the other day (believe it or not and one of the regulars and the most avid Never Trumpers on the site) someone got chastised and ticketed for using someone's name who wasn't involved in the discussion.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.62  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.56    4 weeks ago
No need to be sarcastic, Perrie, and there's no need to bring Vic's group policies onto Texan's seed, IMO.

That was not sarcasm. That was the explanation and a question. 

Per your CoC quote, there's no mention that an author MUST define the topic. 

First of all, it is not MY CoC. It was voted on by the group. Second it is clearly in there:

The author defines the topic and has the right to ask members to stay on topic (as defined) and not disrupt the article.

We also have an entire group dedicated to this found here:

https://thenewstalkers.com/perrie-halpern/group/41/red-box-rules-protocol-discussions

As long as the article  mentions  something it is in play.
Ah, OK. Another "rule" that's not in CoC/ToS and I've never seen in 3 years here. When I seed again, I'll make sure to note that it's your rule. Thanks for the heads up, because it will be a great help.

Good. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.63  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.61    4 weeks ago
and there's no need to bring Vic's group policies onto Texan's seed, IMO.

That is not a group policy. That is a site policy.

Saw just the other day (believe it or not and one of the regulars and the most avid Never Trumpers on the site) someone got chastised and ticketed for using someone's name who wasn't involved in the discussion.

That is only done when the comment is derogatory. I was explaining and giving an example of how something should be done. It was a compliment to Vic. 

Are we done with playing this game of "Gotchya" with me?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.64  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.59    4 weeks ago
Then why did you post comment 2.2.12 ? And don't say that you were only "insulting" Trump. Ivanka is a grown woman who happens to have been Trump's child in those photos.  Biden caresses and sniffs other men's children and wives.

Yes, and those poses are very inappropriate. That thing can be deemed considered inappropriate even within a household, right? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.65  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.55    4 weeks ago
Like what? Sitting on my lap and dancing to some music? Sitting beside me or on my lap while watching TV? Where did the Ivanka pictures go? How about giving me a kiss on the cheek? How about me holding her in her bathing suit about to throw her in the lake? 

Sitting on your lap on your bed, stroking your face, posed?

I doubt it. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.66  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.49    4 weeks ago
Do you have daughters? I do. I don't have any of them with their father. You know why? It's inappropriate. End of story.

I have daughters and sons, Perrie. My wife took dozens of photos of me feeding and playing with them. We even have photos of my bathing them and reading to them. I guess some people consider that a father being engaged in his children's lives and care is sexually "inappropriate".

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.67  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.66    4 weeks ago

Oh please Jasper... I just can't...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.68  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.64    4 weeks ago
Yes, and those poses are very inappropriate. That thing can be deemed considered inappropriate even within a household, right? 

Rigid Puritans of the 17th century would have definitely considered a daughter sitting on her father's lap as inappropriate. However, we were born and reared in the 20th century and currently live in the 21st century. There are still small groups of people who adhere to the 17th century and believe that it's inappropriate for a father to take care of his children or show them affection. More's the pity. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.69  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.65    4 weeks ago
Sitting on your lap on your bed, stroking your face, posed?

Look up photos of JFK and Bush 41 with their children. Not all photos of fathers with their children or grandchildren are "dirty".

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.70  MUVA  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.53    4 weeks ago

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Jasper2529
2.2.71  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.67    4 weeks ago
Oh please Jasper... I just can't...

That's how I feel about yours and others' increasingly barbed comments to me, which is why I seed and comment less often.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.72  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.64    4 weeks ago
Yes, and those poses are very inappropriate.

Good, we're making progress since you agree that Biden's hugging and sniffing reluctant and unrelated children and women is inappropriate.

That thing can be deemed considered inappropriate even within a household, right? 

I'm not sure what you mean by "that thing". If you're now changing the goalposts to include sexual assault/rape of children and/or within a household, you've opened a very different topic that doesn't belong on Texan's seed.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.73  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.68    4 weeks ago
Look up photos of JFK and Bush 41 with their children. Not all photos of fathers with their children or grandchildren are "dirty".

Yeah you are right, They just don't look like this: 

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.74  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.71    4 weeks ago

I don't make barbed comments Jasper. Not my style.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.75  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.72    4 weeks ago
Good, we're making progress since you agree that Biden's hugging and sniffing reluctant and unrelated children and women is inappropriate.

As inappropriate as these:

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That thing can be deemed considered inappropriate even within a household, right? 
I'm not sure what you mean by "that thing".

Crossing personal boundaries. Inappropriate photos that border on the sexual. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2.76  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.74    4 weeks ago
I don't make barbed comments Jasper. Not my style.

Is this a barbed comment calling someone obnoxious?

removed for context

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MUVA
2.2.77  MUVA  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.76    4 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.78  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.76    4 weeks ago

You are right. That is a skirt. I will flag it for you and take my bumbs. What should we call it when you do things to annoy at least a third of the membership and have no value? Tell me, how should I have described it that wouldn't get me a ticket?

 
 
 
Freewill
2.2.79  Freewill  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.73    4 weeks ago
Yeah you are right, They just don't look like this: 

A daughter kissing her Dad while he is talking on the phone?  Oh the humanity!  (-: 

Ahh shit, now I'm gonna have to get rid of my family photo albums before I run for President....  (-:

Now the others in 2.2.75, yep, looks like Biden alright.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.2.80  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freewill @2.2.79    4 weeks ago

Hi Freewill, 

I am sure you don't have a pose like that with your daughter. On your bedroom bed, on his lap, prepubescent. I know Matt doesn't have any and he was very physically demonstrative with the girls. 

But yeah, 2.2.75 are very much akin. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.81  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.72    4 weeks ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "that thing". If you're now changing the goalposts to include sexual assault/rape of children and/or within a household, you've opened a very different topic that doesn't belong on Texan's seed.

Because I didn't put on the first post exactly what the topic is, everything is the topic now.

So blame me?

LOL

 
 
 
Jasper2529
2.2.82  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.81    4 weeks ago

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[As explained above by Perrie, Trump is mentioned in the seeded article, and therefore cannot be declared off topic.]

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.2.83  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.82    3 weeks ago

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Freedom Warrior
2.2.84  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.83    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
2.2.85  Tessylo  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.2.84    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
2.2.86  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.73    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
2.2.87  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.73    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
2.2.88  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.87    3 weeks ago

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Tessylo
2.2.89  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.88    3 weeks ago

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Jasper2529
3  Jasper2529    4 weeks ago

Very interesting that MSN and NYT have brought this to light and are criticizing their 2020 candidate.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jasper2529 @3    4 weeks ago

When this first broke six weeks ago, I thought this was the vehicle they’d use to dump Biden.  he’s obviously in  bad shape mentally and won the nomination simply by virtue of not being Sanders or Warren. 

Now they’ve waited too long and too many party leaders endorsed him after the allegations were made  public for the party to suddenly decide a rape allegation matters.  I still think there is a good chance he’ll  back out for “health reasons” but I’m sure the activists wish they handled it differently from the get go and pushed for him to step aside.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3.1.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1    4 weeks ago
 I still think there is a good chance he’ll  back out for “health reasons”

I think so, too. Biden was in bad mental shape while on the active campaign trail and now has to have his wife sitting next to him in their basement to help him compose a coherent sentence. The DNC has 186 days to find a viable candidate if it's going to kick Joe to the curb.

 
 
 
squiggy
4  squiggy    4 weeks ago

Trigger Warning: This article contains information and details about sexual assault and/or violence, which may be upsetting to survivors.

Sounds like a reality warning for TDS sufferers.

 
 
 
squiggy
5  squiggy    4 weeks ago

believe-all-women467.jpg

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
6.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  Larry Hampton @6    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
6.2  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Larry Hampton @6    4 weeks ago

I commend you on your exceptional deflecting abilities.

You have a future working on political campaigns with that kind of talent.

 
 
 
MUVA
6.2.1  MUVA  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2    4 weeks ago

Deflectors on full power.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7  KDMichigan    4 weeks ago

It's amazing how the TDS sufferers have to turn everything about Biden into Trump, They cried about accusations about President Trump 4 years ago and now to defend the Chomo Biden they cry about Trump again, Hillaryious. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
7.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  KDMichigan @7    4 weeks ago

What's even more stupid is that some are saying this is BS and only because he's running. THAT is the true irony CHOCK FULL of hypocrisy. Trumps bad deeds only came to light when he was running. How convenient.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1    4 weeks ago

Well you have to remember, before he was a Democrat funding Democrats and hanging out with Bill and Hillary. He was cool then.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

I see the same people who led the Kavanaugh witchhunt and cheered MSNBC as it dedictated it's entire programming schedule to pushing Blasey Ford's story now wants progressive host Christopher Hayes fired for the sin of discussing Reade's allegations on MSNBC.  

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/495448-firechrishayes-trends-after-msnbc-host-covers-biden-sexual-assault-allegations

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    4 weeks ago

Love it when the left starts to eat their own!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @8    4 weeks ago
I see the same people who led the Kavanaugh witchhunt and cheered MSNBC as it dedictated it's entire programming schedule to pushing Blasey Ford's story now wants progressive host Christopher Hayes fired for the sin of discussing Reade's allegations on MSNBC.  

Sean, 

It is only really me talking and I never did that to Kavanaugh. In fact, I said the opposite. I said it was getting dangerous to be a man and run for office these days. These allegations against Biden just further proves that.

When an article comes along that can earnestly discuss policy about Biden then we all might have an actual discussion. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
8.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2    4 weeks ago

My post wasn't directed at the people in this thread, or anyone on NT,  but rather the just pointing out the actual story I linked to, with  progressives are trying to get one of their own fired for even  simply discussing the allegations. 

I find the double standard between Kavanuagh and Biden and how people try to rationalize it fascinating. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.2.1    4 weeks ago
I find the double standard between Kavanuagh and Biden and how people try to rationalize it fascinating. 

Sean,

I don't find it fascinating. Pretty SOP when it comes to partisan politics. It is the aspect of politics that I dislike the most.

 
 
 
MUVA
8.2.3  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.2.2    4 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
9  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 weeks ago
It's amazing how the TDS sufferers have to turn everything about Biden into Trump, They cried about accusations about President Trump 4 years ago and now to defend the Chomo Biden they cry about Trump again, Hillaryious. 

What I find hilarious (that is the proper spelling), that all you got is this made up garbage about Biden that conveniently came out when he became the Democratic nominee. You don't have to have a made-up mental disorder, to see that once clearly. You just need eyes and brain.

What's even more stupid is that some are saying this is BS andonlybecause he's running. THAT is the true irony CHOCK FULL of hypocrisy. Trumps bad deedsonlycame to light when he was running. How convenient.

In this specific case, you have got to be kidding. He shot himself in the foot with the "Pussy" comment. Everything else has been out there for years. I can't help it if you guys didn't live in NY, so you didn't get the full exposure that we did.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
9.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9    4 weeks ago

Good thing about that is, the whole country isn't New York.............................

In this specific case, you have got to be kidding. He shot himself in the foot with the "Pussy" comment.

No. The media exposure and exploitation shot him in the foot.

Everything else has been out there for years.

And once again, didn't come out until he was running. 

I can't help it if you guys didn't live in NY, so you didn't get the full exposure that we did.

As I said, the whole country ISN'T New York

 
 
 
KDMichigan
9.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9    4 weeks ago
What I find hilarious (that is the proper spelling),

I find it Hillaryious that people get triggered on how I spell hilarious. You don't think spell check works. I spell it Hillaryious because I like to see the proglibs trigger over it.

Now you know.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @9.2    4 weeks ago

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Personally, it doesn't bother me, since I didn't vote for her. But I clearly understand the purpose of doing so and it's getting old.

So now you know.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
9.2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.1    4 weeks ago
Personally, it doesn't bother me, since I didn't vote for her. But I clearly understand the purpose of doing so and it's getting old.

It bothered you enough to comment about it...

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @9.2.2    4 weeks ago

Yeah, and you know why. It is the purpose of doing so on the site. 

In days of 'Ol here, we removed the word "Teabagger" because it "triggered" our conservatives. Maybe we should do that again?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.4  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.3    4 weeks ago
In days of 'Ol here, we removed the word "Teabagger" because it "triggered" our conservatives. Maybe we should do that again?

Curious as to why it simply wasn't voted on?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.2.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @9.2.4    4 weeks ago

It was voted on. Still trying to play gotchya?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.6  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.2.5    4 weeks ago
It was voted on. 

Then why say it was removed because it triggered someone? Why not say it was removed because the members voted on it?

Still trying to play gotchya?

I would never do that when you hold all the power, Perrie.

 
 
 
squiggy
9.3  squiggy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9    4 weeks ago

 “I can't help it if you guys didn't live in NY, so you didn't get the full exposure that we did.”

NYers were incredibly defensive of Bloomberg, too - asif to be tutoring the dumbass farmers.

 
 
 
Veronica
9.3.1  Veronica  replied to  squiggy @9.3    4 weeks ago

You do realize that NY is more than NYC - we are a very agricultural productive state.

New York is a leading agricultural state, worth $5.75 billion in revenue 2017. Below is the latest data available, provided by USDA's National Agricultural Statistics Service, the NYS Department of Agriculture and Markets and Farm Credit East.

According to the USDA 2017 Ag Census, there were 33,438 farms in New York State and 6,866,171 acres in production.

Dairy and milk production accounts for nearly 26,000 jobs in New York State. Grain and oilseed farming employs nearly 15,500.  Veggie and melon farming is responsible for 7,750 jobs. New York farms employ around 55,000 people, in total according to USDA. All sectors of agriculture, including processing, are responsible for nearly 200,000 jobs in New York State.

New York's National Ranking in 2017

1st— yogurt, cottage cheese, sour cream

2nd— apples, snap peas, maple syrup, cabbage

3rd— dairy cows, milk production, grapes, and total Italian cheese

4th— corn silage and total cheese

5th— tart cherries, green peas and squash

https://www.nyfb.org/about/about-ny-ag

 
 
 
squiggy
9.3.2  squiggy  replied to  Veronica @9.3.1    4 weeks ago

“You now have more homeless people on fewer trains and you have fewer people to conduct outreach for the homeless people,” Cuomo said.

 
 
 
Veronica
9.3.3  Veronica  replied to  squiggy @9.3.2    4 weeks ago

And?

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.3.4  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @9.3.1    4 weeks ago

If you have time, please explain how your comment relates to the article.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 weeks ago
Good thing about that is, the whole country isn't New York.............................

Ooooo pot shots about where I live. I won't play that game.

In this specific case, you have got to be kidding. He shot himself in the foot with the "Pussy" comment.
No. The media exposure and exploitation shot him in the foot.

No his big mouth did it for him. The media just picked up on it. Should they not report a disgusting comment like that about a candidate? Isn't that what is going on here with Biden? Ironic, right?

Everything else has been out there for years.
And once again, didn't come out until he was running. 

And that is when things do come out. But Biden has been in the public eye for over 40 years and this BS just came out now.

I can't help it if you guys didn't live in NY, so you didn't get the full exposure that we did.
As I said, the whole country ISN'T New York

I realize that hence my comment. It was implied.

 
 
 
Veronica
10.1  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10    4 weeks ago

Funny how so many people bitch about NY - but don't seem to upset by taking our money.

https://www.money-rates.com/research-center/federal-income-taxes-by-state.htm

FEDERAL TAXES PAID BY STATE
RANK STATE FEDERAL TAXES PAID BY STATE
(in thousands)
1 California $234,499,671
2 New York $140,510,002
3 Texas $133,417,081
4 Florida $116,970,551
5 Illinois $67,180,388
6 New Jersey $62,812,657
7 Pennsylvania $59,450,829
8 Massachusetts $54,205,161
9 Washinton $45,090,597
10 Virginia $44,245,528
 
 
 
squiggy
10.1.1  squiggy  replied to  Veronica @10.1    4 weeks ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Veronica @10.1    4 weeks ago

Tell me about it. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Veronica @10.1    4 weeks ago
But Biden has been in the public eye for over 40 years and this BS just came out now.

It's a population and wealth thing...............SMH

 
 
 
squiggy
10.1.4  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @10.1.1    4 weeks ago

'Hyperventilating' is a pretty clear play on NYC's inability to produce a ventilator while touting it's prowess.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.5  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Veronica @10.1    4 weeks ago

If you have any time, please explain the relationship to your post about taxes and the article.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10    4 weeks ago
Ooooo pot shots about where I live. I won't play that game.

Not at all a pot shot. Please don't be so defensive. It was more of a reference to the 2016 election and the east and west coast thinking their votes should have counted more. That's it.

But Biden has been in the public eye for over 40 years and this BS just came out now.

So how long has Mr. Trump been in the public eye? Seems you and your "fellow travelers" (tee hee), by your implications, have had your eyes on him for quite some time. Just curious.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.3  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10    4 weeks ago

If you have time, please explain how your post relates to the article.

 
 
 
MUVA
11  MUVA    4 weeks ago

How much of that are you paying?I live in VA and pay about 80 grand year in income tax.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1  Veronica  replied to  MUVA @11    4 weeks ago

I pay my fair share of taxes.  I don't find loop holes to get out of paying taxes and pay in at tax time every year - I have never gotten back a refund...  But that is neither here or there - this is about people dumping on NY as if we are a welfare state and a drain on the US - we are not the drains.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Veronica @11.1    4 weeks ago

And don't forget that cap on property taxes that Trump gave us as payback for not voting for him. Add that to the taxes that we were paying already. 

And then he conveniently changed his primary address to Florida, to avoid paying the taxes. The regular Joe that he is has only 6 residences.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Veronica @11.1    4 weeks ago

I had to pay quarterlies and estimates this year haven’t received a refund since high school.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.1.3  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.1    4 weeks ago

It was about time they closed that loophole fair is fair Billy Jean told me to say that.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1.4  Veronica  replied to  MUVA @11.1.2    4 weeks ago

I don't expect to get a refund - think about how further ahead we would be to lowering the deficit if everyone paid taxes on their income with no loopholes & no refunds.  Just saying.  And again my issue is the total dumping on NY that is continual.

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1.5  Veronica  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.1    4 weeks ago

Only 6?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Veronica @11.1    4 weeks ago

DAMN IT NO ONE IS DUMPING!! 

Get a grip you two. You are taking this WAAAAAY to personally. You think I like where I live being called backwoods? Rubes? Hillbillies? Racists? I sure as heyull don't get offended. I just laugh and consider that none of them live here anyway. 

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1.7  Veronica  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.6    4 weeks ago

Frankly, I was not talking about you, but whatever  - you tell us to get a grip - you are the one yelling.

I have NEVER said anything like you mentioned, but get a grip - it wasn't me.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.1    4 weeks ago
And don't forget that cap on property taxes that Trump gave us as payback for not voting for him. Add that to the taxes that we were paying already. 

And again damn it. That was the whole country there was no picking on anyone. See what I mean...............................think about it. Victims. SMMFH

As for the taxes you were already paying............who was it that was asking you to pay those exorbitant taxes? That's right.  

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1.9  Veronica  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.6    4 weeks ago
I sure as heyull don't get offended.

Your sentence before this one says you are offended.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Veronica @11.1.7    4 weeks ago
you tell us to get a grip - you are the one yelling.

Only because that is what some sometimes need as they get all wound up about something that is not occurring. I wasn't bouncing you or Perrie about anything to do with NY. Just stating fact and you get all emotional.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.11  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Veronica @11.1.9    4 weeks ago

No it doesn't. Please read it again. I said I didn't like it NOT that I was offended. As said, I find it quite humorous. 

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1.12  Veronica  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.11    4 weeks ago

WHY don't you like it?

 
 
 
Veronica
11.1.13  Veronica  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.10    4 weeks ago

Since you are the one yelling - I would say you are the emotional one. Nothing I said was emotional - they were FACTS.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.8    4 weeks ago
Victims. SMMFH

I mean really? Was that necessary? 

As for the taxes you were already paying............who was it that was asking you to pay those exorbitant taxes? That's right.  

No you tell me who?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.14    4 weeks ago

Why the state of New York. And victims is exactly what I meant. You made it sound like the limit on deductions was only New York "because they didn't vote for him". Perhaps not necessary but............

256

Have a good evening and please, take my posts as you will but there is no particular malice intended. I may discuss differently than you would like and for that.................what can I say. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1.15    4 weeks ago

Jim,

I didn't think you would answer me. It is because we pay school taxes in local school districts and not to a centralized state system, which makes our school systems among the best in the US. I know you thought it was our state tax, but actually that is hardly a pinch to us compared to our school taxes. And we counted on that refund to pay those. Trump knew that. He lived here. 

Anyway, have a good evening, too. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @11    4 weeks ago
How much of that are you paying?I live in VA and pay about 80 grand year in income tax.

Which means you make about $240,000 a year, so I think that seems kind of fair.

 
 
 
Kavika
11.2.1  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2    4 weeks ago

I didn't pay any federal or state income tax in 2019.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.2  MUVA  replied to  Kavika @11.2.1    4 weeks ago

Yes good for you keep your money I know you worked hard for.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.3  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2    4 weeks ago

I don’t like it but like my father in law said pay your taxes or government first then pay your employees then your self.

 
 
 
MUVA
11.2.4  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2    4 weeks ago

A little more or less  depending on profits.I have Board of directors to deal with my wife’s family or as we call them the leaches.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
11.2.5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.2    4 weeks ago
Which means you make about $240,000 a year, so I think that seems kind of fair.

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Kavika
11.2.6  Kavika   replied to  MUVA @11.2.2    4 weeks ago

The state was easy. Florida has no state tax. The fed was a different story but I also had some carry forward from last year...This was a real exception next year I'll be back to paying the feds. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12  seeder  Texan1211    4 weeks ago

Apparently, without the disclaimer at the start of the comment section, ANYTHING is considered the topic. It makes it easier to simply close the article than to continue to have some derail it.

For the record--so there is NO mistake--the article did not talk about politicians' kids, New York, taxes, etc.

And the fact that off topic flags were clearly ignored here makes it plain to see what is allowed and not allowed by ALL.

/s

[You flagged as off topic direct responses to other comments which you did not flag off topic.  If the response is off topic, then so is the comment to which that response was directed.  Same as comments were flagged as "taunting" when the flagged member was the target of similar comments.]

[Basically, if it's not allowed for one person, it's not allowed for anyone.]

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
12.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @12    4 weeks ago

That perhaps should have been done in a PN don't you think [deleted]

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1    4 weeks ago

Once Texan made it public and public explanation was required. And if you are going to admonish, you should be fair about it. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
12.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.1    4 weeks ago

Point made and taken. Thanks. I'll try harder.

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1.2    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
12.1.4  seeder  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @12.1    4 weeks ago
That perhaps should have been done in a PN don't you think

You're probably right. Must have let my frustration show!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
13  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    4 weeks ago

The seed is already a moot point, [ deleted ]

Biden Will Address Tara Reade’s Allegation on MSNBC on Friday  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
13.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @13    4 weeks ago

It will be fun to see most of the Republicans here try and find yet another reason to throw s*it at Biden even after he addresses the issue. They are never going to be satisfied, even if they get their wish it will not be good enough, and they will sling their s*it no matter what is said or done. It is who they are, just like Trump and his 2 y/o tantrums when he can't have it all his way. Even if it is against the best interests of the American people.

Thankfully, not all Republicans are that way, just those who kiss Trumps fat a$$. And we know who they are here.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
13.1.1  Larry Hampton  replied to  Raven Wing @13.1    4 weeks ago

The rats won’t be able to flee the ship fast enough when November rolls around. Many will simply lose,,,big time. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
13.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Larry Hampton @13.1.1    4 weeks ago

"Many will simply lose,,,big time"

Beats ALL of US having to lose with the LOSER in CHIEF.

 
 
 
squiggy
14  squiggy    4 weeks ago

"...find yet another reason to throw s*it at Biden even after he addresses the issue."

Please, share the script here. What will he say?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
14.1  1stwarrior  replied to  squiggy @14    4 weeks ago

256

And this is their never ending script.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15  seeder  Texan1211    3 weeks ago

Thanks to all who participated and tried at least to stay on topic.

The article makes clear what the topic is.

Article now locked.

 
 
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