Independents Go Decisively For Biden As New Poll Shows Democrat With Huge Lead

  

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By:  john-russell  •  2 months ago  •  65 comments

Independents Go Decisively For Biden As New Poll Shows Democrat With Huge Lead
He also has a poor score on his handling of the coronavirus epidemic in the US, with 41% of Americans approving of the way he has handled the virus outbreak, and 56% disapproving. 

A new Quinnipiac poll shows Joe Biden with an 11 point lead nationally.  The first thing that catches the eye is that Democrats and Republicans in the poll cancel each other out. 

" Democrats go to Biden 88 - 5 percent, Republicans go to Trump 87 - 8 percent"

Independents account for the 11 point advantage to Biden

"independents go to Biden 47 - 36 percent."

Trump also gets low grades on overall approval, with 42% approving of the way he is acting as president and 53% disapproving. 

He also has a poor score on his handling of the coronavirus epidemic in the US, with 41% of Americans approving of the way he has handled the virus outbreak, and 56% disapproving. 


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago
May 20, 2020 - Biden Holds 11 Point Lead As Trump Approval On Coronavirus Dips, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Almost Half Say Second Wave Of Coronavirus 'very Likely' In Fall quinnipiacpoll-horizontal-hex-full-color

Former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Trump 50 - 39 percent in a head-to-head matchup in the election for president, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll of registered voters released today. That's up from the 49 - 41 percent lead Biden held in an April 8th national poll, but the change is within the margin of error. Democrats go to Biden 88 - 5 percent, Republicans go to Trump 87 - 8 percent, and independents go to Biden 47 - 36 percent.

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"What does the 11 point Biden lead tell us? At best for Team Trump, it says voter confidence in President Trump is shaky. At worst for them, as coronavirus cases rise, Trump's judgement is questioned - and November looms," said Quinnipiac University Polling Analyst Tim Malloy.

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TRUMP JOB APPROVALS

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More than two months into the coronavirus crisis in the U.S., President Trump's job approval rating ticks lower. 42 percent of voters approve of the job President Trump is doing, while 53 percent disapprove. That's compared to a 45 - 51 percent job approval rating he received in April, his highest ever.

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On the president's response to the coronavirus, 41 percent of voters approve and 56 percent disapprove. That is down from a 46 - 51 percent approval rating in April.

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On the president's handling of the economy, 50 percent approve while 47 percent disapprove, compared to a 51 - 44 percent approval in April.

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On his handling of healthcare, although underwater, the president receives his highest approval rating ever, a negative 41 - 54 percent. In April he received a negative 39 - 54 percent approval.

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TRUMP VS. BIDEN
Voters are split on who they think would do a better job handling the economy, with 48 percent saying Biden and 47 percent saying Trump. In April, Trump led Biden on this question 49 - 44 percent.

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Voters also say 57 - 37 percent that Biden would do a better job than Trump handling health care compared to 53 - 40 percent in April.

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Biden outscores Trump on honesty, good leadership skills, and caring about average Americans. Voters say:

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  • Biden is honest 47 - 41 percent, while Trump is not honest 62 - 34 percent;
  • Biden has good leadership skills 51 - 40 percent, while Trump does not 58 - 40 percent;
  • Biden cares about average Americans 61 - 30 percent, while Trump does not 56 - 42 percent.
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FAVORABILITY RATINGS

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Today, Biden receives a slightly positive 45 - 41 percent favorability rating, but this is not significantly changed from his split 43 - 43 percent favorability rating in April. President Trump has a negative 40 - 55 percent favorability rating, compared to a negative 41 - 52 percent favorability rating in April.

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Separately, voters were asked about sexual assault allegations leveled against Biden by a former Senate staffer in the 1990's. In recent weeks, Biden has publicly denied the allegations made by Tara Reade. Asked which do you tend to believe most, 28 percent say the accusation made by Tara Reade, 28 percent say the denial made by Joe Biden, and 38 percent say they haven't heard enough about it.

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CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE

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By a sixteen-point margin, 55 - 39 percent, voters say they think Biden would do a better job than President Trump handling the response to the coronavirus.

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https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3661

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

You just love those pathetic unreliable polls, don't you John?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    2 months ago
You just love those pathetic unreliable polls, don't you John?

They have to hang their hats on something.  The babbling fool Hidin' Biden quarantined in his basement is most certainly nothing to crow about.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

I call BS on this! I am a registered Independent,who cannot stand Joe Biden and I place zero faith in any political polls. This is hillarious! You quote a result from a poll that comes from Quinnipiac University, that is known to be blatantly left leaning and you try to sell their results as gospel. Nice try John but no cigar.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    2 months ago

Fox News has a new poll showing Biden up be 8 pts nationally. 

What is your complaint about Fox News? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    2 months ago

Take note, I said "...any political polls". That includes Fox News!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago

If Biden is old, senile , incompetent, a perv, and corrupt,  how is it that independents are so decisively choosing him over Trump? 

Independents are the most objective and careful about the candidates, right?   And they reject Trump. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

Trump IS old, senile, incompetent, a perv, and corrupt so at least it is a level playing ground for both candidates.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1    2 months ago

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Gazoo
2.2  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

“Independents are the most objective and careful about the candidates, right?”

This independent is voting for Trump. Thank you for the complement btw.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

Very simple answer John. They are not!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3  XDm9mm    2 months ago

Remember these?

Poll
Trump
Clinton
Other
Undecided
Spread
Nov 4 – Nov 6, 2016
799 Likely Voters
43 46 5 6 Clinton +3
Nov 2 – Nov 6, 2016
2,195 Likely Voters
39 44 9 8 Clinton +5
Nov 2 – Nov 6, 2016
1,426 Likely Voters
43 47 5 5 Clinton +4
Oct 31 – Nov 6, 2016
1,625 Likely Voters
46 49 5 Clinton +3
Oct 31 – Nov 6, 2016
70,194 Likely Voters
44 51 5 Clinton +7
Nov 1 – Nov 3, 2016
940 Likely Voters
44 46 8 2 Clinton +2
Oct 28 – Nov 1, 2016
1,333 Likely Voters
44 47 5 5 Clinton +3

Source:  https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

So much for polls.  

Trump/Pence 2020.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @3    2 months ago

This is not 2016. 

Independents have had 4 years to observe Trump in office. It has been a nightmare. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 months ago
This is not 2016. 

Well hot damn, now that's a very astute observation.

Independents have had 4 years to observe Trump in office. It has been a nightmare. 

Here's a clue JR.  I'm actually one of those Independents you rave about.  I don't bow on bended knee to either party.  Having said that, I've had 3 1/2 years to watch the Democrats rant and rave tilting at windmills with myriad unproved accusations culminating in an impeachment that was based on, well political bullshit.

Now with this latest Communist China initiated global pandemic screwing not only the United States but the world, the Democrats are trying to blame President Trump for the actions, or rather lack of actions and transparency of the Communist Chinese and what that action has done to this country.

Have no fear JR.  I feel confident your polls will, like those in 2016 greatly disappoint you.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    2 months ago

People who are obsessed with communism and socialism are not likely "independents". 

2016 is irrelevant now. People have seen Trump in action, and are appalled. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    2 months ago
2016 is irrelevant now. People have seen Trump in action, and are appalled

Polls were and are still irrelevant.  Yet there are some who continue to put their fair in them.

People who are obsessed with communism and socialism are not likely "independents".

Who is obsessed?  I simply despise the Communist dogma, and socialism has failed wherever it has been attempted.

I'm simply a firm believer in self reliance.  If you want what I have, work for it like I did.  Simply don't ask me to bring you up to the level I worked for just because you think you're in some way entitled to it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    2 months ago

I'm one of those independents that John is talking about. So my question to you is who did you vote for in the last election? Or are you one of those "independents" that are really right-leaning libertarians? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    2 months ago
I'm one of those independents that John is talking about.

Good for you.  We all know you don't like and likely never did like Trump, so, what is your point?

So my question to you is who did you vote for in the last election? Or are you one of those "independents" that are really right-leaning libertarians? 

In the last election, I voted for Cruz as I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for Wacko BETO, and I voted for Hurd against Jones.

BETO was/is so far left he makes Sanders look like a Conservative and Jones couldn't keep her stories straight.

IF you're speaking of the 2016 Presidential election, I voted for Trump as the much lesser of two evils.  At least with Trump there was a modicum of an outsider telling the status quo politicians to pound sand.   

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.6  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.4    2 months ago

Saying you are a independent then having a belief system of a leftist is false dichotomy I can say anything it doesn’t make it true.I see it all the time one will say I’m independent then be for open borders, higher taxes, taxing wealth, Medicare for all, then be against school choice, religious freedom, personal responsibility.I would say calling ones self a independent means very little today it is just something to say in place of personal conviction.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.5    2 months ago
Good for you.  We all know you don't like and likely never did like Trump, so, what is your point?

Because real independents vote both sides of the political fence and comments like these: 

I simply despise the Communist dogma, and socialism has failed wherever it has been attempted.

Indicates to me that you wouldn't vote for a dem ever. Am I wrong?

And yes I don't like Trump, but I didn't like Hillary either. It didn't matter to me what party they were in. It mattered who they were and what they stood for on the issues. 

IF you're speaking of the 2016 Presidential election, I voted for Trump as the much lesser of two evils.  At least with Trump there was a modicum of an outsider telling the status quo politicians to pound sand.   

I was talking about the 2016 election, but so far you kind of proved my point. Both Dems had an issue, but a guy who never governed and had no experience (and it often shows) appealed to you. 

I on the other hand, have voted for both Repub and Dems for Pres, but last time the two were so awful to me, I voted 3rd party. 

But lets go back to this comment:

Good for you.  We all know you don't like and likely never did like Trump, so, what is your point?

Your right, I didn't like Trump. But there have been presidents that I didn't vote for the first time and then voted for them the second time, or the other way around. Trump could have proven himself to be a good pres and I would have voted for him. But instead he actually turned out to be worse than expected, IMHO. That is what a true independent does. We have many indpendents here, and we all talk about this. You can't be an independent if you have not crossed party lines on a regular basis and from what you have said, it does not seem like you have. Am I wrong?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @3.1.6    2 months ago
Saying you are a independent then having a belief system of a leftist is false dichotomy I can say anything it doesn’t make it true.

Who are you talking about? Not me. 

I see it all the time one will say I’m independent then be for open borders, higher taxes, taxing wealth, Medicare for all, then be against school choice, religious freedom, personal responsibility.I would say calling ones self a independent means very little today it is just something to say in place of personal conviction.

Independent means you take different stances on different things. You listed a whole pile of issues that I personally vary on. And saying that independents lack personal conviction is a good way to get them to vote against you, not for you.. or didn't you see how well that worked out with the word "deplorables".

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.9  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.7    2 months ago

How can you be a independent and vote  for a democrat or leftist as I call them now? There  is no way I would vote for a democrat now because of their policies they push they are so far from democrats of years passed  they should just change their party name to the socialist leftist party.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.10  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.7    2 months ago
Good for you.  We all know you don't like and likely never did like Trump, so, what is your point?

Because real independents vote both sides of the political fence and comments like these: 

I simply despise the Communist dogma, and socialism has failed wherever it has been attempted.

Indicates to me that you wouldn't vote for a dem ever. Am I wrong?

You most certainly are.  So much for that theory.

And yes I don't like Trump, but I didn't like Hillary either. It didn't matter to me what party they were in. It mattered who they were and what they stood for on the issues. 
IF you're speaking of the 2016 Presidential election, I voted for Trump as the much lesser of two evils.  At least with Trump there was a modicum of an outsider telling the status quo politicians to pound sand.   

I was talking about the 2016 election, but so far you kind of proved my point.

Both Dems had an issue, but a guy who never governed and had no experience (and it often shows) appealed to you. 

Yeah both Dems were bat shit crazy.   One wanted to take my guns and the other who knows, since she didn't know what she wanted or stood for.

I on the other hand, have voted for both Repub and Dems for Pres, but last time the two were so awful to me, I voted 3rd party. 

Good for you.  I hate to waste my vote like that in protest, but you're more than welcome to. 

But lets go back to this comment:

Good for you.  We all know you don't like and likely never did like Trump, so, what is your point?

Your right, I didn't like Trump. But there have been presidents that I didn't vote for the first time and then voted for them the second time, or the other way around. Trump could have proven himself to be a good pres and I would have voted for him. But instead he actually turned out to be worse than expected, IMHO. That is what a true independent does. We have many indpendents here, and we all talk about this. You can't be an independent if you have not crossed party lines on a regular basis and from what you have said, it does not seem like you have. Am I wrong?

Yeppers you sure as shit are wrong.   Unfortunately, the Democrats are going further and further left on a damn near daily basis.  There are no more Democrats like Kennedy as sleazy as he was, but he at least entertained the ideas of the opposition and more often than not compromised with the opposition.

Oh, you might not like what Trump had accomplished and I KNOW you didn't like the tax break the VAST majority of Americans got because it hurt you personally.  But, Trump is the best thing the American experiment has had come along in a long time.  He actually believes in AMERICA and not some global 'village' to take control.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.11  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.8    2 months ago

The things I listened are  leftist staples if you believe in any of them you are leftist light at the very least.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
3.1.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    2 months ago
2016 is irrelevant now. People have seen Trump in action, and are appalled. 

1.  You COMPLETELY missed the point of #3.  (Just to catch you up, XD is providing you proof that the polls are rarely correct.  He also used a leftist blogger site to provide you the information.)

2.  Seems that the only people who are appalled are the same people that started crying in 2016 and haven't stopped since.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @3.1.9    2 months ago
How can you be a independent and vote  for a democrat or leftist as I call them now?

That is your opinion. I am voting to get the asshat out of the White House and although I don't love Biden, he's no leftist. 

There  is no way I would vote for a democrat now because of their policies they push they are so far from democrats of years passed  they should just change their party name to the socialist leftist party.

I can see that there are leftist in the democratic party, just like I can see ultra-nationalist in your republican party. Neither appeals to me. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.14  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.13    2 months ago

Every idea he espouses is a leftist idea basically open borders, taxing wealth, punitive taxes on success he with his whole party have gone off the rails.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.15  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.13    2 months ago

Your view of more conservative people is that of a left winger and has nothing to do with the truth and says all I have to  hear call yourself what ever you like the truth is ringing in he air.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.10    2 months ago
You most certainly are.  So much for that theory.

Then explain yourself. That is what I asked for.

I on the other hand, have voted for both Repub and Dems for Pres, but last time the two were so awful to me, I voted 3rd party.  Good for you.  I hate to waste my vote like that in protest, but you're more than welcome to. 

That was not the question. The question was when was the last time you crossed party lines. 

Yeppers you sure as shit are wrong.   Unfortunately, the Democrats are going further and further left on a damn near daily basis.  There are no more Democrats like Kennedy as sleazy as he was, but he at least entertained the ideas of the opposition and more often than not compromised with the opposition.

How so? Give me an example. Like for instance, Bill Clinton was very much like Kennedy in every sense. He could work with both parties. Did you vote for him? He was no leftist. 

Oh, you might not like what Trump had accomplished and I KNOW you didn't like the tax break the VAST majority of Americans got because it hurt you personally.  But, Trump is the best thing the American experiment has had come along in a long time.  He actually believes in AMERICA and not some global 'village' to take control.

Your darn right I didn't like the taxes and neither will most Americans when the 4-year adjustments shake out. They will be exactly where they were. I also don't like what he has done with corporate bailouts, our actual environment (like waterways now having more mercury poured into them as a benefit to corporations. Yes, the economy was very good, but the ball was rolling already. And believe it or not, I believe in America first, too, but our economics are not isolated. This pandemic proved it. All the PPE that was allowed to be produced cheaply by American companies, all the meds that the Chinese ransom us with because it was done cheaper in China. That is what happens when you let big business go rampant. Nice to know that my Zantac had toxins in it, while US distributors made big $$ off of it.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @3.1.15    2 months ago
Your view of more conservative people is that of a left winger and has nothing to do with the truth and says all I have to  hear call yourself what ever you like the truth is ringing in he air.

This is what I wrote:

I can see that there are leftist in the democratic party, just like I can see ultra-nationalist in your republican party. Neither appeals to me. 

I think you need to reread before you go and make this personal.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @3.1.14    2 months ago
Every idea he espouses is a leftist idea basically open borders, taxing wealth, punitive taxes on success he with his whole party have gone off the rails.

Read again what I wrote:

How can you be a independent and vote  for a democrat or leftist as I call them now? That is your opinion. I am voting to get the asshat out of the White House and although I don't love Biden, he's no leftist. jrSmiley_114_smiley_image.png Me.
 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.19  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.16    2 months ago
You most certainly are.  So much for that theory.
Then explain yourself. That is what I asked for.

Do you want my entire voting history from when I first voted?   Sorry, but that's quite personal and the business of no one, period end of story.

I on the other hand, have voted for both Repub and Dems for Pres, but last time the two were so awful to me, I voted 3rd party.  Good for you.  I hate to waste my vote like that in protest, but you're more than welcome to. 
That was not the question. The question was when was the last time you crossed party lines. 

I'll give you one hint.  It was the husband of the last loser.  

Yeppers you sure as shit are wrong.   Unfortunately, the Democrats are going further and further left on a damn near daily basis.  There are no more Democrats like Kennedy as sleazy as he was, but he at least entertained the ideas of the opposition and more often than not compromised with the opposition.
How so? Give me an example. Like for instance, Bill Clinton was very much like Kennedy in every sense. He could work with both parties. Did you vote for him? He was no leftist. 

Asked and answered.  NEXT.

Oh, you might not like what Trump had accomplished and I KNOW you didn't like the tax break the VAST majority of Americans got because it hurt you personally.  But, Trump is the best thing the American experiment has had come along in a long time.  He actually believes in AMERICA and not some global 'village' to take control.
Your darn right I didn't like the taxes and neither will most Americans when the 4-year adjustments shake out.  They will be exactly where they were.

As they say, time will tell.  I tend to disagree.

I also don't like what he has done with corporate bailouts, our actual environment (like waterways now having more mercury poured into them as a benefit to corporations.

Like the bailouts corporations got from Obama?  Or are those ok?  

Yes, the economy was very good, but the ball was rolling already.

Yeah, but per everyone, it was the WEAKEST recovery in history, even with the trillions pumped into it.  But when people speak about the economy under Obama, they always seem to forget that the gains essentially flatlined when the FED stopped pumping 85 billion a month into the system in October 2014.   Then came November 2016 and on the ELECTION of Trump, hell the man hadn't even taken the oath of office, the market started an upward climb with NO FED help, in point of fact FED interference with rising interest rates and continued basically unabated until COVID.   But, don't take mt word for it, find the charts and check for yourself.

And believe it or not, I believe in America first, too, but our economics are not isolated.

Very true.  Our economics are not isolated, but they should NOT//NOT take a back seat to other nations to our detriment.

This pandemic proved it. All the PPE that was allowed to be produced cheaply by American companies,

And China bought up like a drunk in a liquor store buying everything in sight to essentiall corner the market and hold everyone hostage to them.

all the meds that the Chinese ransom us with because it was done cheaper in China.

That's a lesson Trump has been railing about for a long time.  Hell, there's even video of him back in I think it was 2011 speaking out about it.  So, was that the fault of Trump or the asswipes in Congress that promoted it and allowed it, Democrat and Republican alike?

That is what happens when you let big business go rampant. Nice to know that my Zantac had toxins in it, while US distributors made big $$ off of it.  

I really hate to break your bubble, but the DISTRIBUTORS did not manufacture the drug.  Can you spell COMMUNIST CHINA?  Put the blame where the blame belongs.  Squarely on the shoulders of our friend Communist China.

But then, that's nothing new there anyway.  Lead in paint on children's toys, substandard building materials that turned moldy in peoples homes, and the list could go on, and on, and on, and on...   but hopefully you get the idea.

At least President Trump had the stones to take on China and start to open the eyes of the people to the monster and menace to not only America but the world that country is.  Hopefully, he'll have another four years to finish the job and hand it over to someone else who will continue the fight.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.19    2 months ago
Do you want my entire voting history from when I first voted?   Sorry, but that's quite personal and the business of no one, period end of story. I'll give you one hint.  It was the husband of the last loser.  

OK asked and answered.

As they say, time will tell.  I tend to disagree.

Fair enough!

Very true.  Our economics are not isolated, but they should NOT//NOT take a back seat to other nations to our detriment.

I totally agree. 

And China bought up like a drunk in a liquor store buying everything in sight to essentiall corner the market and hold everyone hostage to them.

I totally agree.

So, was that the fault of Trump or the asswipes in Congress that promoted it and allowed it, Democrat and Republican alike?

Because he spent the first part of his presidency making nice to China and he could have EOed a lot of this, like other things he wants to get done.

I really hate to break your bubble, but the DISTRIBUTORS did not manufacture the drug.  Can you spell COMMUNIST CHINA? 

You are making my point. Of course I knew that... I had said that just above. But the fact that we allowed essential goods to be produced by a country that has been known to do these things is what I am talking about. It was allowed so that big pharma could make a bigger bottom line, instead of producing it here in America. 

But then, that's nothing new there anyway.  Lead in paint on children's toys, substandard building materials that turned moldy in peoples homes, and the list could go on, and on, and on, and on...   but hopefully you get the idea.

That was my exact point! 

At least President Trump had the stones to take on China and start to open the eyes of the people to the monster and menace to not only America but the world that country is.

He only came to that conclusion during the pandemic. Well, maybe a bit before then, but not enough to change any policies in manufacturing here in the US. Remember he made a show of it, and then came to an "agreement". I don't want agreements with that government.

Hopefully, he'll have another four years to finish the job and hand it over to someone else who will continue the fight.

There we part ways.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.1    2 months ago

O'Donnell Republican bible - Do not criticize Trump, blame China, attack Biden. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 months ago

You are right. They've had four years to observe Trump in office, but don't make the mistake of thinking they want they want a leftist liberal Democrat to take his place! They don't. Comes down to lesser of evils.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4  It Is ME    2 months ago

Dems NEED Joe to stay boarded up. The Less he speaks, the better they can form the arguments FOR HIM. 

Joe's Okay with that.....so his "Handlers" say !

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.1  1stwarrior  replied to  It Is ME @4    2 months ago

One of the reasons Joe is staying hidden - 

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Trout Giggles
4.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1    2 months ago

ok...that's funny

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.2  dennis smith  replied to  1stwarrior @4.1    2 months ago

Another reason for Biden hiding is that those who respond to polls would have him trailing Trump after listening to what he is trying to say.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dennis smith @4.1.2    2 months ago

Dennis... news flash. Neither sound good in front of a mic.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.3    2 months ago
news flash. Neither sound good in front of a mic.

It will be interesting to watch a debate.   It will be a legal massacre of Hidin' Biden.  

 
 
 
cjcold
5  cjcold    2 months ago

This lifelong independent centrist voted for HW Bush the first time but not the second. His abandoning of the Kurds offended my sense of justice.

Since Fox, the tea party, Rush, Beck, the Heartland Institute and Trump took over the GOP, I imagine voting for a republican would be tantamount to treason in this environmental scientist's eyes.   

It's kind of hard for a gun owning, liberal leaning, Trump hating (and yes, I feel hatred for this bafoon who has intentionally divided the American people) centrist to ignore the ignorance and insanity that gushes from this WH.

Trump's every statement reminds me of a precocious 4 year old. By the time that DT was four years old he was demanding favors from his father's staff.

By the time Trump was 14 he was demanding sexual favors from his fathers staff and their children. (RAPE).

Trump was born a thief, bully and rapist and never grew out of it. His parents sent him to a disciplinary school but he became head bully and preyed upon the younger and weaker there.

Likely due to his very tiny dick and his long time addiction to quack dick enlarging medicines and toys to increase his dick size, he endorses every and any quack/quick cure for COVID-19 to the detriment of the American people. 

This POS POTUS couldn't tell the truth if his life, or the lives of all Americans depended on it. 

Somehow or another, the truth nor compassion exists in Trumps world view.

 

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.1  dennis smith  replied to  cjcold @5    2 months ago

Trump's every statement reminds me of a precocious 4 year old. By the time that DT was four years old he was demanding favors from his father's staff.

By the time Trump was 14 he was demanding sexual favors from his fathers staff and their children. (RAPE).

Trump was born a thief, bully and rapist and never grew out of it. His parents sent him to a disciplinary school but he became head bully and preyed upon the younger and weaker there.

Likely due to his very tiny dick and his long time addiction to quack dick enlarging medicines and toys to increase his dick size, he endorses every and any quack/quick cure for COVID-19 to the detriment of the American people. 

Does your crystal ball tell you all this about Trump?

Your hatred for him has overwhelmed your ability to be rational.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  dennis smith @5.1    2 months ago

Is it just me, or do some on the left seem overly interested in Trump's genitalia?

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    2 months ago

No they are it’s not just you.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  dennis smith @5.1    2 months ago
Your hatred for him has overwhelmed your ability to be rational.

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XDm9mm
5.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.3    2 months ago

He'll be fine as long as he doesn't get to close to Hidin' Biden.  Then again, maybe Joe can take the wig home to sniff.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.3    2 months ago

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dennis smith
5.1.6  dennis smith  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    2 months ago

Some of them seem to be fixated on it.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2  MUVA  replied to  cjcold @5    2 months ago

You aren’t in the same hemisphere as a centrist you side with leftist dogma every time I would say nice try but it wasn’t.

 
 
 
badfish
6  badfish    2 months ago

John seeds the best polling, I remember the 2016 election. He seeded an article that she had a 107% chance of winning.

keep em coming John!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 months ago

Here is the latest polls from Real clear politics:

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_president/

"The Hill" does have them as a virtual tie. All the others have Biden well in the lead.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    2 months ago
"The Hill" does have them as a virtual tie. All the others have Biden well in the lead.

Is there a point to be made?   Here's 2016 if you're interested.

Forecast

President

Senate

By Natalie Jackson and Adam Hooper
Additional design by Alissa Scheller

Published Monday, Oct. 3, 2016 12:56 P.M. EDT

Updated Tuesday, Nov. 8, 2016, 12:43 A.M. EST

  • Clinton
    98.0%
  • Trump
    1.7%

Source:  https://elections.huffingtonpost.com/2016/forecast/president

So, 98% probability for Clinton vs less than 2% for Trump.

So much for those polls.   Hey, polls reminded me of TOLLS....   I have some bridges and tunnels in New York that I can sell real cheap.  Toll revenue is WAY down.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1    2 months ago

The election is still quite a way off, so a lot can happen. 

But let's revisit the last election. Had Clinton done her due diligence and actually went to those battleground states, she probably would have won. She actually did win the popular vote. You seem to forget that. So were the polls wrong? I think they were over confident. 

So much for those polls.   Hey, polls reminded me of TOLLS....   I have some bridges and tunnels in New York that I can sell real cheap.  Toll revenue is WAY down.

Is that supposed to bother me? It doesn't. And the good news is that I can actually see Manhattan from the top of Northern Blvd.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.1    2 months ago
The election is still quite a way off, so a lot can happen. 

Yeah, so why speak of polls that weren't right before and are dubious at best now?

But let's revisit the last election. Had Clinton done her due diligence and actually went to those battleground states, she probably would have won. She actually did win the popular vote. You seem to forget that. So were the polls wrong? I think they were over confident. 

Coulda, woulda, shouddda.   YES the polls were wrong.  Hell going into ELECTION NIGHT they were proclaiming with 99% certainty that there WAS NO WAY Trump could gain the 270 electoral votes required to win.  Period end of story, that's all she wrote, Trump is Toast.   Hot diggity damn were they ever WRONG.  And to this day they still refuse to acknowledge that total destruction of the polling apparatus by a political neophyte.  He beat BOTH major political parties at their own game.

So much for those polls.   Hey, polls reminded me of TOLLS....   I have some bridges and tunnels in New York that I can sell real cheap.  Toll revenue is WAY down.
Is that supposed to bother me? It doesn't. And the good news is that I can actually see Manhattan from the top of Northern Blvd.

Good for you.  Manhattan looks good in my rearview mirror when I leave after visiting family that's still there.  And I enjoy the local view and don't need a Manhattan to make me fell good about where I live.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @7.1.2    2 months ago
The election is still quite a way off, so a lot can happen. 
Yeah, so why speak of polls that weren't right before and are dubious at best now?

Honestly, just to have a discussion. Polls have also been right, too. They were just not as awfully wrong as last time. Hence now I look at all the polls and the outlets they come from. 

Coulda, woulda, shouddda.   YES the polls were wrong.  Hell going into ELECTION NIGHT they were proclaiming with 99% certainty that there WAS NO WAY Trump could gain the 270 electoral votes required to win.  Period end of story, that's all she wrote, Trump is Toast.   Hot diggity damn were they ever WRONG.  And to this day they still refuse to acknowledge that total destruction of the polling apparatus by a political neophyte.  He beat BOTH major political parties at their own game.

Indeed he did. I can understand the shock across the board. He is truly a cult of personality. 

Good for you.  Manhattan looks good in my rearview mirror when I leave after visiting family that's still there.  And I enjoy the local view and don't need a Manhattan to make me fell good about where I live.

To each their own. I don't live in Manhattan. I live in the countryside. My point was about air quality and I actually do like looking at Manhattan since it is an amazing city, but I like seeing wildlife in the morning more.  

 
 
 
dennis smith
7.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.1    2 months ago

Do you think Biden campaign in person in those states?

 
 
 
Heartland American
7.1.5  Heartland American  replied to  dennis smith @7.1.4    2 months ago

Biden will campaign in his own basement if he can remember where it is!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dennis smith @7.1.4    2 months ago

He is still in the process of doing such things. If he doesn't campaign there, then he will be repeating the same errors that Clinton made. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Heartland American @7.1.5    2 months ago

What a totally unnecessary comment. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
7.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.1    2 months ago

With all due respect, should have, could have, would have does not win presidential elections nowadays. Also, popular vote does not win presidential elections either, Electoral College vote does but you know that already.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.8    2 months ago
Should have, could have, would have does not win presidential elections nowadays.

Ed,

That was never in question. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @7.1.8    2 months ago
Also, popular vote does not win presidential elections either, Electoral College vote does but you know that already.

You updated your comment and I didn't see this. 

Here is the thing. Of course I know that the Electoral College is how an election is won, but my point was, Hillary could have just as easily won, had she done her due diligence, which we all know she didn't do. She took the voters for granted and that cost her the election. 

What I find more interesting about this discussion is who calls themselves an independent, which actually does matter, since that is who we are talking about in this poll. 

If you constantly vote for one party, you are really not an independent. Independents tend to cross party lines all the time. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
7.1.11  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.10    2 months ago

My whole purpose as a Independent is that I have the freedom to choose the person I am voting for and not the party. There are plenty of good people on both sides of the aisle that I like, but unfortunately very few are in the top tier of their respective parties. I have been known to vote Democrat in the past and I may do so in the future. Nothing is written in stone.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.10    2 months ago
She took the voters for granted and that cost her the election. 

Much like Clinton screwed herself with her Deplorables comment,  I'm very seriously hoping that Biden has accomplished much the same with his 'You're not black" comment of earlier today.

Seriously, does the man have two brain cells to rub together or is his mental ability so degraded that even he doesn't know what he says any longer?

 
 
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