Is It Okay When Trump Attacks Jews?

  

Category:  News & Politics

By:  perrie-halpern  •  4 months ago  •  282 comments

Is It Okay When Trump Attacks Jews?
“There are some people that should stay quiet, because they understand. As there are those that should stay quiet, because they don't understand. Some things are better left unsaid or voiced.” ― Anthony Liccione


I am not going to defend the comment that Biden made to the black community. It was wrong and indefensible. And although he did apologize, only the black community can say whether or not they feel it was good enough. I am not black. I will not speak for them. 

What I do find amusing but expected is the faux outrage from the white Republican community. They have no idea of what a comment like that actually means to blacks. They are just making it political fodder to try and bring down their political opponent. This is standard operating practice for partisan politics. 

But the thing is, Donald Trump made a similar remark to the Jewish community, that they seem to have conveniently forgotten. I will remind you:

I am a Jew so I can talk about this. Who the hell is he to tell me what qualifies me as a Jew? That I am either unintelligent or a or a traitor  to Jews if I vote Democrat. He can't. He is totally out of line, because being Jewish by injection doesn't count. So I don't care that his daughter converted to Judaism or that his grandchildren are being raised as Jews, he himself has zero right to speak for Jews. He has not lived his life as a Jew. He has no idea of what the Jewish community has endured over the centuries. And footnote, no apology given for that remark. 

And if you think I am being unfair, before he was president and before his daughter converted, he made this comment t o Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino

"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else." 

Where do you start with a comment like that? Not only is it racist against blacks (and maybe that is what Biden was referring to), it is also one of the worst antisemitic tropes. The short sleazy money counting Jew. And don't tell me it was meant as a compliment. It wasn't. 

So please, save the faux outrage at Biden if you are a white person. It's not for you to say. Only the black community can discuss this. You should all be quiet right now. Trump is no better. 


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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 months ago

I will not defend Biden's words. That is not for me to decide. I am not black. 

But before you go throwing stones and glasshouses, think again. Because Trump's comments about Jews have been just as bad.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago

It looks like the remarks by Biden and Trump are simply political BS, and they cancel each other out.

I think Trump is more accepting of Jews and blacks in general than Biden could ever be. The track record of the Democrats regarding blacks is dreadful going back decades. Promises made and never delivered.

But I also wonder why the widespread criticism and slander of Christians on this site on a daily basis is not also condemned?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 months ago
It looks like the remarks by Biden and Trump are simply political BS, and they cancel each other out.

Not sure about that. But the hysteria over Bidens comments by white folks is a bit much given Trump's past. 

I think Trump is more accepting of Jews and blacks in general than Biden could ever be. The track record of the Democrats regarding blacks is dreadful going back decades. Promises made and never delivered.

Read his record below here 5.1.9   and then say that to me. I think not.  

But I also wonder why the widespread criticism and slander of Christians on this site on a daily basis is not also condemned?

OK this is off-topic and meta. Could you please write me up your complaint in Metafied and I will be glad to discuss this with you. 

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.2  MAGA  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 months ago

Good question.  

 
 
 
Suz
1.2  Suz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago

You're Jewish?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Suz @1.2    4 months ago

Yup and Indian. I thought you knew that about me Suz. We've known each other for so long. I guess I just never talked about it on the vine or here much. German Jewish to be quite exact. 

 
 
 
Suz
1.2.2  Suz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.1    4 months ago

Are we still good?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Suz @1.2.2    4 months ago

Of course we are luv! 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.3  Drakkonis  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago
I will not defend Biden's words. That is not for me to decide. I am not black.

Speaking for myself, I tend to think what one's color is has little to do with whether the statement was bad or not. Anyone of any race should be able to identify something stupid. That statement, and the one by Trump, is stupid no matter the color. And, to my mind, color or ethnicity, in and of themselves, isn't what makes those statements derogatory. It is the idea that because one may be (insert color or ethnicity here) then you cannot be an individual with your own ideas, values and beliefs but, rather, have to conform to some sort of established ideal imposed from either within or without one's (insert color or ethnicity here). 

Put another way, I don't think those statements are racially offensive. I think they are individually offensive (offensive to an individual), regardless of race or ethnicity. If someone stated that because I am white I have to feel a certain way I wouldn't feel racially offended. I would feel offended as an individual who was trying to be pigeonholed simply on the basis of my skin color. Everyone should be offended by that and you don't need to be a member of any particular race or ethnicity to understand it is a stupid statement to make. 

So, don't worry about defending Biden's (or Trump's, for those worried about that) because they aren't defensible. Not even black people (or Jews) can defend them. Because if they try to, then they themselves are saying every black person (or Jew) who conforms (or doesn't) isn't really being loyal to what it means to be black (or a Jew). No one has the right to make such a judgement for anyone else. 

Anyway, that's how I see it. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.3.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    4 months ago

Anyway, that's how I see it. 

as you make a judgement , and be it your own, have you still not been judgemental, as i know not of any, who can be 100% impartial without bias, cause we all buy ass, one way or another, Know ?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.3.2  Drakkonis  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.3.1    4 months ago

Yes, I am making a judgement about what was said. Why? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    4 months ago

Drakk,

I get your point and I appreciate what you are trying to say. Some comments are very stupid. What I (as an indie) didn't like is freaking out about Biden while ignoring Trumps equally offensive comments. I would not defend either. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
1.3.4  Drakkonis  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.3    4 months ago
What I (as an indie) didn't like is freaking out about Biden while ignoring Trumps equally offensive comments.

I hear you and agree. Like being in grade school, sometimes. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.5  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.4    4 months ago
I hear you and agree. Like being in grade school, sometimes. 

I agree, and you are saying this to a teacher so excellent comparison. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.3.6  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.3    4 months ago
I would not defend either. 

But you felt the need to post this in defense of Biden in your own words.

Just like last election you have two awful choices, I'm not choosing Biden.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.7  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @1.3.6    4 months ago
But you felt the need to post this in defense of Biden in your own words.

Please refer to the opening sentences and tell me if they sound like a defense of Biden. 

Just like last election you have two awful choices, I'm not choosing Biden.

Yup. I have no idea who you voted for in the last election. I voted third party. This time around I guess we are going to split ways, if for no other reason than Biden couldn't be worse than Trump and at worst we can change again in another 4 years.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.3.8  MAGA  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    4 months ago

The whole article is a great big whataboutism to try to deflect some attention away from Biden for his ludicrous comment and say, but Trump!  

 
 
 
CB
1.3.9  CB   replied to  MAGA @1.3.8    4 months ago

No one should buy into your biased commentary. You could not get closer to Trump in intent on this thread if you were using his White House communications apparatus. Joe can use some distraction from his gaffe, as it resides in each of us to determine how much weight or impact to the man's character to apply. You don't get to do that. You won't get to do it.

And finally, you can't get Donald Trump to be quiet long enough for anybody to give him the benefit of doubt. BTW, would you like to render any apology on behalf of Donald Trump to this group?

 
 
 
MAGA
1.3.10  MAGA  replied to  CB @1.3.9    4 months ago

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MAGA
1.3.11  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @1.3.10    4 months ago

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igknorantzrulz
1.3.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.2    4 months ago

Yes, I am making a judgement about what was said. Why? 

due to the fact it occurs after X ,in my alpha beta soup kitchen ware i cook books never read, get paid like a chairperson ,under the table of elements every now and then, like periodically with an exclaimed point....what was mine ....

oh yea, i think we were on the same Page Jimi, but i'm onto a nother Novel 

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TTGA
1.4  TTGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago
I will not defend Biden's words.

BUT TRUMP is a method of deflection and deflection is a form of defense.  Therefore, you are defending Biden..

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.4.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TTGA @1.4    4 months ago

That is not a deflection when people think they have the high ground with Biden, but accept it from their President while he is the president. Deflection would be if I was referring back to G.W. Bush, who actually was a nice decent man and never would have made those remarks. 

 
 
 
MAGA
1.4.2  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.1    4 months ago

I’m not Jewish but have extended family that are and I’m a big time supporter of Israel.  I like all the things President Trump has done regarding Israel.  The way things are trending in Israel and in the democrat party, one day it will be very hard for American Jews to support both.  Thus the emergence of conservative Jewish Republicans in America and among Americans living and working in Israel.  When an election is very close in Florida American Jewish expats from Israel can tip the total to the Republican.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.4.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @1.4.2    4 months ago

I am not surprised you are a big-time supporter of Israel. How else can "End Times" come?

The way things are trending in Israel and in the democrat party, one day it will be very hard for American Jews to support both.

Four people in a party hardly is a trend. What do you actually think that this is the first time that either party has had antisemites in them? Think again. There is no conflict of conscience. 

Thus the emergence of conservative Jewish Republicans in America

There have always been Republican Jews. This is not a new thing. 

and among Americans living and working in Israel.

????

When an election is very close in Florida American Jewish expats from Israel can tip the total to the Republican.  

How many expat from Israel live in Florida compared to NY? Well in Florida there are about 9,500 and in NY there are 30,200. So I doubt they make a dent in Florida politics And what makes you think they are all Republican? But in any case, it matters little since Jews only make up 2% of the population, so I doubt it really makes any difference.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.4.4  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.3    4 months ago

When the whole state of Florida was decided by 500 votes it makes a difference

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Thomas
1.4.5  Thomas  replied to  MAGA @1.4.2    4 months ago
I’m not Jewish but have extended family that are and I’m a big time supporter of Israel.

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Vic Eldred
1.4.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.4.5    4 months ago

removed for context

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.4.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.6    4 months ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 months ago
But before you go throwing stones and glasshouses

Who are the white folks who are doing that?


Because Trump's comments about Jews have been just as bad.

So every time Biden makes a bad comment, you are going to look for a bad comment from Donald Trump?  I believe that is called "Whataboutism" and btw it is a highly partisan tactic. I really don't think you should get involved with it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5    4 months ago

whataboutism don't you like ?

the J       token  is missed whence not mispokken 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
2  Release The Kraken    4 months ago

I think your article did a fantastic job. If you vote for Trump, you ain't Jewish.

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I mean half the democrat caucus supports BDS and the squad openly admits their antisemitism. I'd vote for Biden because I certainly wouldn't want to support that.

but Trump and Nazis and stuff.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    4 months ago
think your article did a fantastic job. If you vote for Trump, you ain't Jewish.

Now don't put words in my mouth. I never said that. But nice try.

I mean half the democrat caucus supports BDS

Prove that please. 

the squad openly admits their antisemitism.

No they lie about it and they are only 3 people. 

I'd vote for Biden because I certainly wouldn't want to support that.

Biden doesn't support that.

but Trump and Nazis and stuff.

Now, now, now... Godwin's rule!! You lose, LOL.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
2.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1    4 months ago

No one put words in your mouth, I am method acting my way to a vote for Creepy Joe.

Plus I want to never work again and just get a check. Liking the PPP, it's the life for me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.1.1    4 months ago

Totally off topic... love the cheap shot "Creepy Joe" and the rest of it has no relevance. But I like you, so I'll let the comment stand. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.4  bugsy  replied to    4 months ago

I don't think she can stop someone else from swooping in and doing the dirty work.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.5  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    4 months ago
Is that the way it works? If you like someone an off-topic comment stands, if you don't it gets deleted,. That seems to be the way all the monitors operate.

Ummm.. no. I could flag it for off-topic by seeder and have it removed by another mod, but I don't mind an off-topic comment here and there and that was a joke. And if it got flagged by someone else and I didn't want it gone, I would have it restored. The seeder does have the right to do that.

But now you have gone meta, and one or two comments are OK, but I don't want my article derailed. But your comment may stand, too! 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.6  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bugsy @2.1.4    4 months ago
I don't think she can stop someone else from swooping in and doing the dirty work.

Oh yes I can. And no more meta please. It will be removed from this point.

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1.7  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1    4 months ago

poor trumpski, his supporters march in charlottesville chanting "jews will not replace us" after trump's daughter has done exactly that...

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.9  MUVA  replied to  devangelical @2.1.7    4 months ago
 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.10  MAGA  replied to    4 months ago

Not all of them...

 
 
 
JBB
3  JBB    4 months ago

Due to gaffs Biden's support by blacks is only 97%! 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @3    4 months ago

I think who he now picks as a running mate might come into the equation though. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    4 months ago

and that, was wrong

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.1    4 months ago

I totally agree. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.2    4 months ago

I totally agree. 

with who...?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4  Paula Bartholomew    4 months ago

Biden has a long way to go before he can catch up with the amount of oral diarrhea that has been spewed by Trump.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1  MAGA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    4 months ago

everything that ever comes out of Biden’s mouth🤮is oral diarrhea 💩

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MAGA @4.1    4 months ago

everything that ever comes out of Biden’s mouth🤮is oral diarrhea 💩

is that from  the never ending runz onscentences ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5  XDm9mm    4 months ago

Maybe this might help PH.

Former Trump employee John R. O’Donnell wrote a book. In it, he claimed that Trump once talked about Jews and black people, describing the Jews as greedy and black people as lazy. “I’ve got black accountants at the Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza,” Trump reportedly said. “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else.” Trump went on to say that laziness is a trait in Blacks. “It really is, I believe that,” he said. “It’s not something they can control … Don’t you agree?”

There is a CLAIM as opposed to a video of someone actually making the comments.

And of course we all know that people that write 'Kiss and tell' books are always so squeaky clean and honest. /s/

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5    4 months ago

My dear XDM,

So, my video has no credence then? Who is Donald Trump to tell Jews how to vote? Is it not the same thing that Biden did?

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    4 months ago

What is the time mark where he makes the ok symbol? I think i missed it?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.1    4 months ago

No, but there was him explaining to Jews how to be Jews or be thrown out of tribe, so to speak.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.3  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.2    4 months ago

I mean they did name a neighborhood and a street after him in Israel. That gives him honorary Jewish status plus his kid is Jewish. (I think the Palestinians names a neighborhood after Obama making him an honorary terrorist)

It's like Bill Clinton claiming to be the first black president, I'm good with that. Oh and he likes to eat the McDonalds Bacon Egg and Cheese on a Bagel not a biscuit so what does that tell you? (not sure about the bacon but who knows maybe they use turkey bacon on it for his honorary status)

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.4  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.3    4 months ago

Yes he did good for Israel. He also did it for the Evangelical Christians. It gets him votes while they get closer to "End Times".

And by the same token, Joe was a big part of the civil rights movement. 

It doesn't make Joe black, or Trump Jewish. 

Now Clinton may be black. He plays a mean sax. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.5  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.4    4 months ago
and by the same token, Joe was a big part of the civil rights movement.

I do remember, he had a lot of friends that were segregationists. Good point.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.6  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.5    4 months ago
I do remember, he had a lot of friends that were segregationists.

Oh please. Stop inventing fiction. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.7  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.6    4 months ago

Forgive me, not sure where I heard that:

Joe Biden didn't just compromise with segregationists. He fought for their cause in schools, experts say.
Joe Biden helped give America the language that is still used to oppose school integration today, legislative and education history experts say.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/joe-biden-didn-t-just-compromise-segregationists-he-fought-their-n1021626

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/joe-biden-busing-letters-2020/index.html

Democrats Blast Biden For Recalling 'Civil' Relationship With Segregationists

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/19/734103488/democrats-blast-biden-for-recalling-civil-relationship-with-segregationists

Joe Biden loses support of top campaign fundraiser in Bay Area after comments on segregationists and Hyde amendment

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/28/biden-loses-support-of-top-financier-after-segregationist-comments.html

They must be pretending to really like one another? What was I thinking?

512

Here is a hint? The guy on the left is a racist, segregationist bigot, and the guy on the right is joe

Now it almost looks like these two are involved?

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.9  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.7    4 months ago

More than half our congress friendly with Segregationists back in the day. Sadly it was part of business. We should recall actual Segregationists in congress were from both parties, as your photo essay well shows. 

But just another diversion. 

We could talk about these items in Trumps background:

1973:  The US Department of Justice — under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations —  sued  the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found  evidence  that Trump had refused to rent to black tenants and lied to black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations.

1989:  In a controversial case that’s been characterized as a modern-day lynching, four black teenagers and one Latino teenager — the “Central Park Five” — were accused of attacking and raping a jogger in New York City. Trump immediately took charge in the case, running  an ad in local papers  demanding, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” The teens’ convictions were later vacated after they spent  seven to 13 years in prison , and the city paid $41 million in a settlement to the teens. But Trump in October 2016  said  he still believes they’re guilty, despite the DNA evidence to the contrary.

1992:  The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino  had to pay a $200,000 fine  because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices.

1993:  In congressional testimony, Trump  said  that some Native American reservations operating casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

2000:  In opposition to a casino proposed by the St. Regis Mohawk tribe, which he saw as a financial threat to his casinos in Atlantic City, Trump secretly ran a  series of ads  suggesting the tribe had a “record of criminal activity [that] is well documented.”

(btw.. being Indian, I found that really disgusting)

2005:  Trump  publicly pitched  what was essentially  The Apprentice: White People vs. Black People . He  said  he “wasn’t particularly happy” with the most recent season of his show, so he was considering “an idea that is fairly controversial — creating a team of successful African Americans versus a team of successful whites. Whether people like that idea or not, it is somewhat reflective of our very vicious world.”

2011:  Trump played a  big role  in pushing false rumors that Obama — the country’s first black president — was not born in the US. He even sent investigators to Hawaii to  look into Obama’s birth certificate . Obama later released his birth certificate, calling Trump a  ”carnival barker.”  (The  research  has found a strong correlation between “birtherism,” as this conspiracy theory is called, and racism.) 

Again, this is what I find so amusing about white Republicans being so upset about Biden. Look who they voted for.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.10  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    4 months ago
The reason Clinton took to playing the sax was he thought it was pronounced SEXOPHONE.

Maybe? LOL!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    4 months ago
So, my video has no credence then? Who is Donald Trump to tell Jews how to vote? Is it not the same thing that Biden did?

Oh, are you speaking about him chastising Jews that voted for Jew haters?   If you don't understand that, my dear PH, what would you like?  Maybe you would prefer he invite Louis Farrakhan to host a Passover Seder? 

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.12  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.9    4 months ago

In the 2000 case, Trump et all were fined $250,000 by the NY lobbying commission for his lies and false ads against Native American (Mohawk). At that time it was the largest fine ever issued by the commission. 

The FBI investigated Trump's claims and found no basis for the claims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/06/nyregion/trump-and-others-accept-fines-for-ads-in-opposition-to-casinos.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.9    4 months ago

If the right persists with this silly accusation against Biden , look for the Lincoln Project and others to create ads laying out all of Trump's racial transgressions. And it wont be pretty. 

Bidens comments to the black interviewer were a little grimace inducing, but thats about it.   The interviewer did not bat an eye when Biden says "you're not black", so obviously "Charlemagne tha God" didnt see the phrase as a big deal.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.14  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    4 months ago

That is not what he said. He made a blanket statement.

"I think Jewish people that vote for a Democrat — I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty," 

And while I despise "The Squad" the whole Democratic is not them, and they all don't support them. Your couched comment about Louis Farrakhan is pretty insulting. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.3    4 months ago
"That gives him honorary Jewish status..."

No it doesn't, but I'll bet that if he really wanted to convert there would be a lineup of people wanting to circumcise him (with a chain saw), although from what I've read one could accomplish the task with tweezers. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.16  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.4    4 months ago
Clinton may be black. He plays a mean sax. 

Clinton is a White man who loves himself some black people, in my opinion. He gave Black citizens an opening in Washington, D.C. And for that, he is loved. For the Monica Lewinsky/Oval office/infidelity he is despised—for landing chest deep in a stereotype.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.17  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.4    4 months ago

Now then, when I saw the video of Trump (in the article) in real-time; I was offended. And, . . .maybe a woman/women can recognize the sentiment of regret they get when 'some' man does something incredibly nice and then comes knocking with a 'proportional' repayment demand of some kind. That, happened to me once—I lied and I didn't pay! (I remember it fondly now.)

I refused an opportunity to be 'pimped.'

Joe Biden, too long in politics and public life, is trying to claim the biggest prize of his endeavorings, and still he can't help himself with off-putting comments like this one. No one group is anything. It is a sorry generalization to open up or end a conversation. I mean if and only if everybody knew what it took to make me, us, all of us, 'swing open' automatically—could life be interesting?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.18  CB   replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.7    4 months ago

When I was in the military, my best 'bud' in mixed conversation called some black males we passed by 'Colored.'  Shocking, but true. I loved that guy 'richly.' And, he (platonically) loved him some "CB." He had love in his heart and sometimes it got caught up in his head and personal background.

But, why rehash the past? Life was/is properly complex, dynamic, and interchangeable, eh? Biden is every bit allowed to be the sum total of the people who "did right by him" as I am free to have a hard time explaining my deep and abiding affection for my long gone Alabama friend.

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I will tell you this as well. I faced this question 'straight-on' pun intended, when Proposition Eight passed in California. Though, I was homosexual, Christian, and a conservative (at the time conservative), the night of same-sex marriage passage into state law I had a decision to make as to where I would personally draw the line:

Would I turn on homosexuals and support a conservative viewpoint which 'platformed' as professing
and practicing homosexuals should not ever be allowed to escape their 'captivity' through social acceptance and the prize of marriage?

No! I could not become that type of a believer. It was not for me. To this day, I remain celebate, but I will not renounce not even before God the memories and the times I had with my 'fellows' for those years I was with them.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.1.19  Kathleen  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.7    4 months ago

Wow, Biden was really young once.. lol

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.20  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @5.1.17    4 months ago
I mean if and only if everybody knew what it took to make me, us, all of us, 'swing open' automatically—could life be interesting?

It sure would be! 

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.21  Kavika   replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.7    4 months ago

Thurmond was a 6-time Republican senator. So it seems that the republicans accepted the racist. Well, old Strom did leave the Democratic party in 1964 because the Dems supported the Civil Rights Act and passed it.

Here is a photo of the racist POS having a friendly meeting with the great Ronald Reagan.

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.22  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.7    4 months ago

Your last photo is very interesting. What I see is a Republican and a Democrat doing business together. I thought that only Dems were segregationist bigots?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.23  MAGA  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.3    4 months ago

I think that in Israel’s Golan Heights area they named a new town after him.  It’s odd watching American Jews such as the seeded article’s author attacking the most pro Israel President ever.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.24  Split Personality  replied to  Kavika @5.1.21    4 months ago

Strom was my Senator for at least 6 years of my life.

Not because of my vote or approval.

Mind you, Donald Trump won one election and was sort of an enigma.

Strom won 6 or 7 elections for the Senate, 1 for Governor and 1 for SC Senate, all based on a position of racism

and segregation, that although he became more moderate during his later years, he never ever renounced. 

The hypocrisy was astounding, but no more so than Thomas Jefferson.

After Thurmond's death in 2003, his mixed race daughter Essie Mae Washington

published an autobiography in 2005;

A Memoir by the Daughter of Strom Thurmond , which was nominated for the National Book Award and a Pulitzer Prize .

Strom never publicly acknowledged his daughter, although he supported her financially and paid her college tuition.

Ironically, Essie Mae was granted membership in the United Daughters of the Confederacy, based on Strom's ancestors, all of whom fought for the South.

To my neighbors, Strom = the Confederate flag.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.25  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @5.1.23    4 months ago

He is pro Israel does not make someone pro Jewish. He was always pro-Israel, but because of the evangelical Christians and because Bibi likes him and he loves it when people like him.. Making comments like he has in the past is hardly being pro-Jewish. 

Btw, Truman is considered to be the most pro Isreal President. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.26  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.20    4 months ago

Apparently, some version of this phrase is a fait accompli in politics for people of a certain age:

In 2016, Madeline Albright:

And you have to help Hillary Clinton—[she] will always be there for you. And just remember, there's a special place in Hell for women who don't help each other."

Septuagenarian Clinton Surrogate Message To Young Women: Vote Clinton Or Go To Hell

 
 
 
CB
5.1.27  CB   replied to  MAGA @5.1.23    4 months ago
It’s odd watching American Jews such as the seeded article’s author attacking the most pro Israel President ever.  

Concurrently, it is interesting to watch you make a likened mistake as Biden's 'ain't black' to Charlamagne tha God above. Jews are as diverse as Christians, apparently. Stereotypes don't work. Talking matters and other issues out with people does.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.28  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @5.1.27    4 months ago

Excellent response CB! You totally get it 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.29  Release The Kraken  replied to  Kavika @5.1.21    4 months ago

Don't worry Joe's carefully selecting a VP pick to hide his racism.

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KDMichigan
5.1.30  KDMichigan  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.29    4 months ago

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Kavika
5.1.31  Kavika   replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.29    4 months ago

I'm not worried at all, why would I be when we have you an expert on racism leading the way on NT with all things racist. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.32  CB   replied to  Release The Kraken @5.1.29    4 months ago

My friend, why do you care who and what Joe's VP pick is or about? Is Trump not interesting enough to the people for a proper win?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5    4 months ago

Donald Trump did one of the most racist things that has ever been done in presidential politics. He questioned the eligibility of the nations first black president to hold the office, AFTER the first black president had already been in office for 2 years. 

Trump will never get the black vote , or even any part of it.  In the latest poll Trump gets three percent of the black vote. 

Any "like" that Trump has for Jews is based on his need to placate evangelical Christians, who tend to think of the Jews as fodder for their end of times fantasies. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.1  MUVA  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2    4 months ago

Really and all the slave owner presidents get a pass.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  MUVA @5.2.1    4 months ago

Try and make sense. Or maybe you just didnt explain yourself very well. 

 
 
 
MAGA
5.2.3  MAGA  replied to  MUVA @5.2.1    4 months ago

Democrats usually do get a pass for stuff like that.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  MUVA @5.2.1    4 months ago

Retribution tends to take place among the living or very recent;y deceased.

You are way too late to punish the Founding Fathers and other slave owners of the past for their sins.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.5  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.4    4 months ago

I hope I get my 30 acres and a mule soon,

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MUVA @5.2.5    4 months ago

how about 29, and a Jack Ass

but the only windows i do, are decorated with pretty young ladies danglin out the window, cause she wanted to hang out, the window was like improv, which is all i don't know how to undo, so i adou, till Don E does Marie A favor, so he still ooooo's her o ne, just for fun i dangled a fine young damsel out the window, but her hair wasn't long enough, i'm glad neither of our feat   smelled    or touched on grounds for a divorce, to witch a replied, Honey, we can't afford a hoarse raspy throat, like that of a GTO T boned buy a steaked out officer on loan from the blood banks of a red river runnin through her hands, like hair

cut cuticles as cute as icicles swung on by those who mite stalagnotite that not which individually wrapped too, like a personal person, in charge of personnel people too shy to admit

it

in a private public physical properties not in adherence to sticking to slippery correlations from flowering coronations of Corona Nations malleable Barbi wired cause of Ken and his Ken Dew mountain Lion bout boundaries queened like a frosty one gettin mugged inn and around the valley of the doll house to scale, if for sail phished from the pounded, till a bloody metric could be equated to British accents for accidental hygienists with dirty mouths Fed from some guy Fred who worked at the place Fed Ex laxed in 

attitude adjusted cause busted for being abreast of incoherent events sold out to the no bid contract signed anonymously arouind a pole positioned ex Patriot missile interceptor , with eyes of fire,

,

sorry Muva, i haven't parataken in burnt offerings as of late, as i am social distantanscingingndancing my way like Frankly, out of this square i painted by a number of shapeless shapes, decorating my cake of soap scum, to smoke screen in the windows washed to increase the draft beer fogging up my fog lights, toutin a fog horn that sounded after the David Bouyie struck the boat, and rocked me till bell rung as it was on

call

waiting to get call waiting, till the establishment hired a real dumb waiter that impatiently brought me back down till earth crashed into me   like that Buoyancy

Boo E  .   

think, what i started to say is i haven't smoked lately, and have thus burnt out my creativity, like i was wholesome like whole wheat water before more holes are added creating Holy water for a bapDismal dull a fare not of the heart broken, buy a mole hill of play doe , gathered into a gelatinous mountain, where broke was a hip cat who slipped a disc, turned up the back wards spoken out frontal lobotomy given, as second prize fight in Irish Sons of Setters getting Set on settling down the other side of the mtn where a slipped disc was thrown like a girthed flat Stanley

pourcestLayne  Staley

who OD'd on

Cialus in Chainz weighed

him down with burdens that laid him 

.

OUT   

all apologies for any that was silly enuff to suffer through my tributaries of triathlons      put on trial till tribulations are partially paid in full bloom

 
 
 
CB
6  CB     4 months ago

Biden was wrong to say it. Biden has been around long enough to understand nuances in communication. However, such statements are not the basis of public policy, nor do they inform us about the man who delivers them. I mean I can point to plenty people in my life, who make me blush by some curse words in the wrong setting - me included - however, I do not write them off for having a 'moment.' In this case, take the measure of the man!

I love Joe Biden's speedy apology. Joe Biden made a mistake. In that, he did not 'know' his audience in Charlemagne the God.  It is clear to me from looking at the interview, Charlemagne was on a whole other level of discussion with this 'elder' statesman.

It is something that Trump does not  supply. Because if Trump could utter remorse he could reach back to the Central Park Five, five black and Latino males, whom he wrote an open letter calling for the death penalty regarding in 1989. It's 2019, the men are free n 2019, and he won't capitulate his statement.

In the final analysis, neither Biden or Trump, both elder statesmen to differing degrees should have the life experiences enough to know not to presume on other people cultures—especially in a public setting. If the statement falls flat in private, the audience and onlookers are limited, but sitting "exposed' on a platform before God and mankind. . . . It's lacks good commonsense all around!

More later.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
7  igknorantzrulz    4 months ago

i don't recall the same posters being so upset when Trump informed Jews of how they were basically 'STUPID' 

cause i know, they would NEVER be hypocritical on anything Trump related...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7    4 months ago

He also claimed blacks were born inherently lazy.

 
 
 
CB
8  CB     4 months ago

Programming Note:

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:00 AM EST /  Charlamagne the God will be on AM Joy!

Either Joe Biden will be approved or he will be deep-sixed by these two power-player intellectuals, including Joy Reed, in the marketplace where ideas are exchanged.

Be there or be square!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @8    4 months ago

Good to know CB, Thanks! 

 
 
 
Baron Creek
9  Baron Creek    4 months ago

Nothing more than old school politics. This is about attempting to have voters consider all the time required, going to and from the polling stations on a Tuesday... given the questionable slate of candidates.

We are rapidly approaching the age when we can pick up the ballot from the mail box, vote at our kitchen tables and put it back in the mailbox... all at our convenience.  For some politicos, that can be downright scary as hell, imo.

or a trader to Jews

Traitor or freudian slip?jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Baron Creek @9    4 months ago

Baron,

You are 100% correct that this is nothing more than old school politics.

or a trader to Jews

Traitor or freudian slip? jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

LOL, Good one! No actually it was my autocorrect. But nice catch... I kept fixing it and it just kept reverting back. OK will try again. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
10  Steve Ott    4 months ago

What Donald Trump has said about Jews

"But Trump has said something far, far worse than even what the most bad-faith critics of Omar accused her of saying. In a speech before the Republican Jewish Coalition in April, he said that recently reelected Benjamin Netanyahu was " your prime minister ." Instead of implying dual loyalty, he all but said Jews aren't actually Americans at all, because they have single loyalty to Israel. As Josh Marshall writes , it's "as though American Jews are somehow an expat community of Israelis resident in the United States." (The conservatives who had a purple-faced screaming fit about Omar mysteriously didn't raise a fuss about this.)"

Graham berated Democrats because they only wanted power. Well, the Republicans have the power of the Senate, and to retain that power, have become pitiful sycophants.

So no, it isn't okay when Trump attacks Jews.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Steve Ott @10    4 months ago

Hi Steve,

Never heard that story before today. Not the first time Jews have had their loyalty to America questioned. Just wonderful to know that was implied by our President. I wonder what he says to his grandchildren? Gee, sorry you aren't really American, but I love you anyway. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
10.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1    4 months ago
Gee, sorry you aren't really American, but I love you anyway. 

LOL. I'm not sure he truly loves anyone but himself, but that would be the best he could do.

If you read the story though, there are three other areas he has spoken on. That was just the first.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
10.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Steve Ott @10.1.1    4 months ago

Now his racism is no longer limited to African Americans and Jews, you can add the Chinese to the list. 

 
 
 
CB
10.1.3  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1    4 months ago

For those of us who do not see the "offending" video. Here is it in all its inappropriateness. 

Donald Trump tells US Jews Netanyahu is ‘your prime minister’

Note: Once again there was the 'pimping' aspect 'folded-in' and orally stated by Trump. As he thinks I did you 'guys and gals' a favor, by doing Netanyahu a favor. Thus, implying there is supposed to be an incoming reward.. Nevermind, the fact that deals are usually struck and written out, before any activity/ies are brokered.

 
 
 
Kavika
11  Kavika     4 months ago

I can't defend what Biden said. That would be for blacks to decide for themselves. 

What is interesting is what Trump has said over his public life about Jews, American Indians, Muslims etc..

No outrage over it? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @11    4 months ago

You know Kavika, it is partisans that defend the undefendable. As an Indie, I can't. But I do hate the hypocrisy of outrage about Biden, when Trump's history is every bit as bad if not worse. 

 
 
 
devangelical
11.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    4 months ago

meh,  it's an election year, they have to make some type of effort to get the votes of black people. there won't be as many elderly votes from nursing homes for them to harvest this year and that deficit needs to be filled. I actually heard some token du jour on FOX still touting trump's record on black employment numbers, while apparently unaware of the current unemployment numbers nationwide. 

 
 
 
CB
11.1.2  CB   replied to  devangelical @11.1.1    4 months ago

And there exist the implied insult to seniors of all kinds. We are opening the door and letting the virus 'out' into the pastures. . . . You, seniors! Can be purged by this a coronavirus if you are not so equipped for herd immunity.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @11    4 months ago

....and now Chinese.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

but but Trump....

For four years we've been bombarded with how terrible a person Trump  is and how unfit he was for office, now the Biden cheerleaders are happy to cite him as an example.  Biden's the same as Trump, and suddenly that's okay.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    4 months ago

Sean,

What about all the hit pieces about Biden? This is one where white people get faux outrage. We all know that Biden's comment was totally inappropriate, and yes but Trump, because you can't accept the same bad behavior while trying to denounce the other. That is political hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1    4 months ago
What about all the hit pieces about Biden

He said this barely  24 hour ago. It's not a "hit piece" just because it's critical of Biden.  

what's funny is how often, when  Biden is criticized, you drag up a  story  from months or years ago about Trump to play the "what about" card.  This isn't a fresh story. There's no reason for it be brought today up except to deflect attention from actual news about Biden.  

The next time Trump lies, should a Trump supporter seed an old article pointing out how Biden lied about his family being killed by a drunk driver? Or getting caught plagiarizing in law school? Or plagiarizing speeches during his former campaigns for the Presidency?  Is that what this site is about?

because you can't accept the same bad behavior while trying to denounce the other. That is political hypocrisy. 

Seems to be what you've been doing with Biden for quite a while now.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.1    4 months ago
He said this barely  24 hour ago. It's not a "hit piece" just because it's critical of Biden.  

Reread my opening comments. I was critical about Biden too. 

what's funny is how often, when  Biden is criticized, you drag up a  story  from months or years ago about Trump to play the "what about" card.  This isn't a fresh story. There's no reason for it be brought today up except to deflect attention from actual news about Biden.  

It doesn't matter how old a story is, if Trump is tweeting about it, while making similar remarks within his presidency. That is what I originally wrote about. 

because you can't accept the same bad behavior while trying to denounce the other. That is political hypocrisy.  Seems to be what you've been doing with Biden for quite a while now.  

No it is not. It would be if I was making excuses for Biden's behavior, but clearly in my article I didn't. But the President and other members of his party can't be outraged by something Trump has done himself, within his presidency. It would only be hypocrisy if I gave Biden a pass, which I didn't do.

 
 
 
CB
12.1.3  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.2    4 months ago

A conservative's out there somewhere 'twisting in the wind' for Donald's sake. If poetry is any good, a new Trump lie or misstatement will be thrown on the pile in three, two, on—. . . .

Biden will have apologized; it will have been accepted; but, Trump will see the need to lie and misstate and it will not be accepted by the general public. . . .

 
 
 
CB
12.2  CB   replied to  Sean Treacy @12    4 months ago
Biden's the same as Trump

In somebody's shattered dreams. And with what lens? Start reviewing Trump lies and misleading statements in office. Those lies are not gaffes. False equivalency.

 
 
 
CB
12.3  CB   replied to  Sean Treacy @12    4 months ago
For four years we've been bombarded with how terrible a person Trump  is and how unfit he was for office

Deny you would have Trump be anybody other than what he is as president. Go ahead, make me a list here of the differences in this Trump and your alternative Trump:

  1. Here.
  2. Here.

You can try to equivocate. You can try to crucify Biden. It still remains: There is little to no significant 'daylight' shining between you and Trump. He is a dream president who you are forbidden to criticize publicly in any way that matters. I just proved it.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
13  Freedom Warrior    4 months ago

Bull fucking shit!   I’m gonna lay this out as clearly as possible. NO ONE I mean absolutely fucking NO ONE can tell me what I am allowed to think about anything, particularly because of someone’s race or ethnicity. 

Color me incredulous that anyone could consider themselves justified in making such nonsensical remarks.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freedom Warrior @13    4 months ago

Well then I hope you denounce all the racist remarks that came Trump's mouth so that you are fair. You can get a shortlist here: 5.1.9 .

 
 
 
devangelical
13.2  devangelical  replied to  Freedom Warrior @13    4 months ago

I agree. trump's attitude towards jews has been known for decades. [Deleted]

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.2.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  devangelical @13.2    4 months ago

Only Trump knows for sure. I know he didn't show up for his grandson's Bris (ritual circumcision).

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
13.2.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.2.1    4 months ago
I know he didn't show up for his grandson's Bris

How nice.  I would love to have known his 'excuse'.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
13.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @13.2.2    4 months ago

He was afraid that the baby's winky was bigger than his and his ego could not handle that.

 
 
 
Tacos!
14  Tacos!    4 months ago
I am a Jew so I can talk about this.

You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality. You also don't get to speak for everyone else with that quality. And you don't exclude other people from commenting.

Your experience as a Jew, as black, or whatever, might have given you opportunity to for relevant experience you can speak to, but this stuff about "You're not black/jewish/whatever, so you can't talk" is just a way to shut people up who might say something you disagree with.

Sites like this invite comments from all kinds of people on all kinds of subjects. Or do they?

To the topic:

People may not like this, but there is a certain logic in suggesting that some people - and I must stress "some" - within a certain group (e.g. black, jewish, laborers, military, elderly, etc.) might have certain priorities in an election and that those priorities might determine their votes. That's fair.

But you could have all of those categories in a single person. If so, almost anything could be driving your vote. Everyone has to forego something they might want when they vote. Everyone has different priorities, but those priorities aren't the same for all members of all groups.

And that's kind of where Trump was going when he said what he did about jews. He didn't say "you're not jewish if you don't vote for me." He said voting for Democrats showed lack of knowledge or disloyalty. That, at least, invites debate. Reasonable people can disagree about whether American jews should be politically pro-israel (or pro- a certain regime in Israel, or pro-a certain policy) or not. But he didn't say "you can't be a jew."

Biden said that if you might not vote for him, "you ain't black." That attacks a person's identity directly, so I can see why some people would be particularly offended.

I find it interesting that people are in the position of saying "But Trump did the same thing only worse." That's a pretty sorry state of affairs, isn't it? Trump was supposed to be so clearly and obviously unfit for office because he's completely unlike anyone else. But that's not true, it seems.

It turns out he may be only arguably slightly worse than the alternative and in the same ways. Virtually everything Trump is criticized for can be found in Biden. But we're supposed to be inspired to vote for Biden because he may do these bad things slightly less often?

 
 
 
TᵢG
14.1  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 months ago
You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality.

In a sense one does have such permission.   Society (our society at least) holds that an individual of a particular demographic has the right to speak (with some granted authority) on that demographic.   An indigenous individual (aka Native American) implicitly (through our culture) has the right to speak of indigenous people, practices, etc.   An African American (aka person of color) has the right to speak of their history, culture, etc.   Jews have the right to opine on their ethnicity, religious views, history, etc.  That is, we grant credibility (to some degree) to each individual when speaking of an aspect of their culture, history, etc.

You also don't get to speak for everyone else with that quality. And you don't exclude other people from commenting.

Of course not.   Nobody can speak for everyone else.   But one can put forth one's opinion on fellows in the cultural aspect in question.   A Cherokee certainly has the right to speak of what s/he holds as true for Cherokees in general.   That is not necessarily speaking for everyone else;  it may simply be an opinion on a group coming from a member of that group.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @14.1    4 months ago

Well said Tig. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
14.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  TᵢG @14.1    4 months ago

What she jrSmiley_115_smiley_image.png said.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.1.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14.1.2    4 months ago

LMAO!!!!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 months ago

Tacos,

Both those statements question a person's identity if they don't vote for a specific party. It is just that plain and simple. Anyone trying to say that it is different is not being honest about those comments.  

You as a person who is not black or Jewish can talk about it, but to say you get the outrage to those comments you don't get to do. Personally I feel both comments suck, but I can't claim to know how black people feel and you can't get to tell me as a Jewish person how I feel. 

You get to have a discussion among yourselves and hopefully you can be honest that both comments should have never been said. 

It really is that simple.

 
 
 
Tacos!
14.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.2    4 months ago
It is just that plain and simple. Anyone trying to say that it is different is not being honest

It's not that plain and simple, and you don't get to say they aren't being honest any more than Biden gets to say they aren't black. If someone says different from you, it doesn't mean they are dishonest. It means they disagree with you.

I can't claim to know how black people feel and you can't get to tell me as a Jewish person how I feel. 

No one in either scenario (Trump or Biden) was trying to tell people how they feel. They were trying to tell them how they should feel. Very different. Trying to convince people that they should prioritize certain interests and vote on those priorities is basic politics.

to say you get the outrage to those comments you don't get to do

I'm sorry, but you just don't get to police the opinions people have. People are entitled to their feelings and opinions on any topic, no matter who they are.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @14.2.1    4 months ago
It's not that plain and simple, and you don't get to say they aren't being honest any more than Biden gets to say they aren't black. If someone says different from you, it doesn't mean they are dishonest. It means they disagree with you.

Of course they are not being honest. Being honest is being able to see two people doing the same thing and calling them out for it. It's not a matter of seeing things differently. It is there in black and white. A fact. If I look up at the sky and say it is blue, and someone else says otherwise, it is not an opinion to be disagreed with.

No one in either scenario (Trump or Biden) was trying to tell people how they feel. They were trying to tell them how theyshouldfeel. Very different. Trying to convince people that they should prioritize certain interests and vote on those priorities is basic politics.

People who have no shared experiences with you are trying to tell you how to feel and act, and that isn't arrogance? I'm sorry but I don't see how that is basic politics.

to say you get the outrage to those comments you don't get to do I'm sorry, but you just don't get to police the opinions people have. People are entitled to their feelings and opinions on any topic, no matter who they are.

OK let me rephrase. You can have any opinion you like, on any topic, but it will hold little to no weight than those it actually affects. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
14.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 months ago

you can't be, even close to serious, we hope....

 
 
 
Split Personality
14.4  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 months ago
You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality.

Sure you do, and you are doing it again...jrSmiley_85_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 months ago

Oh, yes, a Jew CAN talk about something that might affect Jews, and just maybe the Jew's opinion might well be more valid because of the lifetime experiences that the Jew has had.  That is why, in the movie Gentleman's Agreement, the opinion of Dave Goldman (John Garfield) of what a Jew has experienced was taken seriously, and Phil Green (Gregory Peck) had to pretend to be a Jew in order to understand what a Jew experiences that differs from what a gentile would even comprehend.  When a Jew sees a sign that says "No Dogs or Jews Allowed", it has a little more effect on a Jew than it would have on a gentile, don't you think?

 
 
 
Tacos!
14.5.1  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5    4 months ago
a Jew CAN talk about something that might affect Jews

Never said they couldn't. Don't even know why I would.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.5.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.1    4 months ago
"You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality."

Let's put it this way, they don't need "special permission" to be in a position of greater knowledge of their ethnicity or religion or race, and more sensitivity concerning it, than others.

 
 
 
Tacos!
14.5.3  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5.2    4 months ago

I have had two basic problems with the policing of commentary. 

First, I object to the notion that if you aren't of a certain ancestry or ethnicity, you shouldn't comment on the topic. In a public forum, everyone gets to comment. If you want to have a private club or group where only people you get to talk, then set that up.

Second, is the notion that simply because you do possess that ancestry or ethnicity, you get to say that your opinion is more valid than the opinion of others.

they don't need "special permission" to be in a position of greater knowledge of their ethnicity or religion or race, and more sensitivity concerning it, than others

That's fine. You still have to argue it, though. You don't get to claim expertise solely on the basis of ethnicity. You can be Jewish or black and still not have lived life experiences relevant to generating the expertise you claim. You don't "know stuff" just because you're Jewish or Black.

So instead of trying to shut people up by citing your ethnicity, instead making a compelling argument of persuasion by citing and describing your experience.

There is irony - and hypocrisy - in this problem. A person might reasonably insist that they shouldn't be discriminated against because of their ethnicity, and I would support that. But here, a person is saying they should get special treatment because of their ethnicity. That I will not support.

 
 
 
TᵢG
14.5.4  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.3    4 months ago
I object to the notion that if you aren't of a certain ancestry or ethnicity, you shouldn't comment on the topic.

I would object to that too.   We all have the right to comment on anything.  

Second, is the notion that simply because you do possess that ancestry or ethnicity, you get to say that your opinion is more valid than the opinion of others.

Society (our culture) grants a slight authority for people to speak of their own demographic.   You, for example, might hold that you are better informed about church activities than an individual who does not attend services.

So instead of trying to shut people up by citing your ethnicity, instead making a compelling argument of persuasion by citing and describing your experience.

Censorship is definitely not the way to go.   Really it just boils down to each interlocutor making a thoughtful argument based on facts and reason.   But, I will repeat, if the discussion topic is Judaism I personally will presume that my Jewish interlocutor might be more familiar with the topic and grant some small level of deference.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.5.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.3    4 months ago

Did I say only "certain" people were entitled to comment?  One gets expertise from experience, no matter their ethnicity or religion, and I think a Jewish kid gets a certain experience from being called a "dirty Jew" and beaten up, that a gentile might not experience.  Nobody asked for "special treatment", and what YOUR comment indicates is that YOU have a sensitivity that you are criticizing others for having. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.5.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.1    4 months ago
"First, I object to the notion that if you aren't of a certain ancestry or ethnicity, you shouldn't comment on the topic."

Who said you shouldn't comment?  

 
 
 
Tacos!
14.5.7  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5.5    4 months ago
Did I say only "certain" people were entitled to comment?

No, the writer of the seed is the one who made the comments that led to this line of discussion.

what YOUR comment indicates

It's evident that you may have misunderstood the thread.

 
 
 
Tacos!
14.5.8  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5.6    4 months ago
Who said you shouldn't comment?  

The author. I'll quote the passages that triggered me:

I am a Jew so I can talk about this.

He has no idea of what the Jewish community has endured over the centuries. 

So please, save the faux outrage at Biden if you are a white person. It's not for you to say. Only the black community can discuss this. You should all be quiet right now.
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
14.5.9  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.8    4 months ago

I obviously meant for this to be discussed. Look at how many comments there are here. 

If you have something to say, then say it. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
15  Kathleen    4 months ago

I think they are both assholes for talking like that.

This election is going to be a show for sure. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
15.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kathleen @15    4 months ago

Kathleen, you sure got that right.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
16  KDMichigan    4 months ago

I love how deep you dig as a 'Indie' to support this guy. Talk about a institutionalized politician. 

 
 
 
MAGA
16.1  MAGA  replied to  KDMichigan @16    4 months ago

He needs to be institutionalized.  He’s not all there.  He’s an empty suit, a complete puppet.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @16.1    4 months ago
He needs to be institutionalized.  He’s not all there. 

Funny, I feel the same way about Trump.

 
 
 
CB
16.1.2  CB   replied to  MAGA @16.1    4 months ago

Trump won't let us not experience him not being here. He simply won't shut up—daily. That man needs an understanding about boundaries, inclusion, and proper saturation.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
16.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.1    4 months ago
Funny, I feel the same way about Trump.

Most definitely right. Biden cannot begin to compare to the extreme lack of sanity that afflicts Trump. 

 
 
 
MAGA
16.1.4  MAGA  replied to  CB @16.1.2    4 months ago

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CB
16.1.5  CB   replied to  MAGA @16.1.4    4 months ago

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CB
16.1.6  CB   replied to  MAGA @16.1.4    4 months ago

Yes! We already know there is no daylight between Donald Trump and Trump conservatives - which you are. When we see Trump we see you and vice-versa.

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @16.1.5    4 months ago

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TᵢG
16.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  CB @16.1.5    4 months ago

That is also a clear admission of willful intent to taunt;  the opposite of thoughtful discourse.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.8    4 months ago

It is defined that way isn't it?  Maybe not the ideal word. I would have chosen convert. That might even imply that the modern version of liberals could be open enough to reasonable persuasion. Oh, that is a stretch!

 
 
 
TᵢG
16.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.9    4 months ago
It is defined that way isn't it?  Maybe not the ideal word. I would have chosen convert.

Which word are you referring to:  inflict?   If so, then I think it is indeed futile to attempt to convert liberals to be Trump supporters.   Just as it is futile to convert Trump supporters to vote for a liberal/progressive.

So if someone is here to:

HA @16.1.4We intend to inflict him upon you all 24/7/365 for 4 2/3 more years!  

That is an admission of intent to simply taunt.  

It would be much better to engage in thoughtful, civil discourse (with harsh disagreement) rather than taunt.   Do you agree?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.10    4 months ago
Which word are you referring to:  inflict?

Clearly!


That is an admission of intent to simply taunt.  

Then you didn't read Maybe not the ideal word. ?



Do you agree?

Better, yet thus far not very effective.

Do you agree?

 
 
 
TᵢG
16.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.11    4 months ago
Then you didn't read Maybe not the ideal word. ?

Why do you say that?   I read your entire comment and replied accordingly.  HA used the word 'taunt'.   Your preference of 'convert' does not change what he wrote.

Do you agree?

Yes, people seem to focus more on attacking each other personally, making use of intellectually dishonest tactics and being jerks than engaging in thoughtful discourse.   And it is possible to disagree harshly and not engage in such practices.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.13  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.11    4 months ago

Perhaps consider that statements such as these are not especially conducive to thoughtful, civil discourse.

That might even imply that the modern version of liberals could be open enough to reasonable persuasion. Oh, that is a stretch!

Insults rarely promote civility.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.12    4 months ago
Why do you say that? 

Because I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. I think he may have wanted to rephrase that. We all sometimes react quickly to a lot of provocation.


 And it is possible to disagree harshly and not engage in such practices.

It is a shame we don't see it more often. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.13    4 months ago
Insults rarely promote civility.

What we see on these pages coming from progressives (liberalism's replacement) fail to promote civility. You can't be uncivil and expect your opponent to be a gentleman. I know that seems to be the standard. It's a double standard!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.16  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.15    4 months ago

Frankly, we see it from conservatives, too.  It was right there in your comment.

To insult liberals (or progressives), but ignore the same behavior from conservatives, and engage in it oneself, is a double standard.

 
 
 
MUVA
16.1.17  MUVA  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.15    4 months ago

You hit the nail on the head some of the most vile people act as if their comments and insults don't count because they are progressive they care more you see.Virtue signaling from the left has become a art forum and claiming a double standard by some on the left is laughable. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.16    4 months ago
Frankly, we see it from conservatives, too. 

Really?  I don't see Conservatives calling people "racists" or "bigots" or "deplorables" or "clingers", do you?

How about entering into any & every conversation and calling the President a "crook?"

Are you sure, Sandra?

 
 
 
TᵢG
16.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.14    4 months ago
Because I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. I think he may have wanted to rephrase that. We all sometimes react quickly to a lot of provocation.

Me too.   So if HA were to come back and state that he did not mean that as a threat to taunt (and offered his true intent) I would accept that (until proven otherwise).   I make this statement quite a bit here on NT.   That is, when someone authors a comment one should give the author the means to correct misinterpretation.  If the correction is made upfront (after the misinterpretation) then the author's intent should be accepted.

But it is impractical to try to verify intent on every comment.   Indeed, when one offers a paraphrase and asks if that is what was meant, the response is typically snark.   So not only is it awkward and redundant, it is (it would seem) counterproductive.

Ergo, my approach is to read the words as written — plain reading of English and go with that unless the author clarifies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  MUVA @16.1.17    4 months ago
Virtue signaling from the left has become a art forum and claiming a double standard by some on the left is laughable. 

You bet!  It is we who have the moral high ground.

 
 
 
TᵢG
16.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.20    4 months ago

Some liberals might take that to mean that you consider them less moral than yourself.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.18    4 months ago

I've seen quite a few people calling Biden racist, and accusing the Democratic Party of being racist.

The President is fair game (as is Biden).

To insult liberals or progressives as a group is to insult the ones with whom one may be conversing.  If I were to insult all conservatives, I would not expect civility in return.  I therefore do not insult all conservatives.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.19    4 months ago
  That is, when someone authors a comment one should give the author the means to correct misinterpretation. 

In that regard, I have thought about that 10 minute gap we are given to correct a statement or spelling etc. Some use it for other reasons, but it is for the problem we are talking about that I think the ten minutes is a good idea. Emotion sometimes gets the better of us. I know I'm guilty of that.

 
 
 
MUVA
16.1.24  MUVA  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.23    4 months ago

You know as well as I most of the attacks on Trump are mained at the people that voted for him or NT members since Trump will never see a word posted here.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.22    4 months ago
I've seen quite a few people calling Biden racist, and accusing the Democratic Party of being racist.

You mean Biden just recently?  Like right on this very topic?  Wouldn't that be debatable?

Saying that blacks aren't black unless they vote for democrats?


The President is fair game (as is Biden).

Even when Biden isn't the topic?  Suppose everytime I came on I called Biden a senile moron - in every seed?


To insult liberals or progressives as a group is to insult the ones with whom one may be conversing. 

The day when "Trump supporters" are not defamed as a group on here is the day I'll consider offering progressives the same level of decency.


 
 
 
Kathleen
16.1.26  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.23    4 months ago

I can honestly say that I use it for spelling and grammar and still miss some things... lol

I have changed my mind and deleted things because I thought it was not nice.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @16.1.24    4 months ago

Biden will likely never see a word posted here, either.  Should we therefore assume that any insult to him (or Hillary, or Obama) are insults aimed at their supporters?

Or are they fair game, while Trump is somehow not?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.28  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @16.1.26    4 months ago
To insult liberals or progressives as a group is to insult the ones with whom one may be conversing. 

I think we used to have auto spell check on NV. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
16.1.29  TᵢG  replied to  MUVA @16.1.24    4 months ago
You know as well as I most of the attacks on Trump are mained [aimed] at the people that voted for him or NT members since Trump will never see a word posted here.

And what is your opinion regarding the attacks on Biden (and before that, the attacks on Sanders, Bloomberg, et. al.)?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.1.30  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @16.1.24    4 months ago
You know as well as I most of the attacks on Trump are mained at the people that voted for him or NT members since Trump will never see a word posted here.

But we get about 2000 visitors a day reading our articles. It makes a difference to them and that is who these discussions are for. They should never be to troll the other members. 

I just check and 32 nonmembers are reading this article. 

The point of me pointing this out, is to remind our members to always put forward their best argument. It is not so much for the members as it is for those who read here but don't comment. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.31  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.27    4 months ago
Or are they fair game, while Trump is somehow not?

Obviously, you have that backwards. The die has been cast, so to speak. For too long, people were allowed to go on tirades over Trump. They did it constantly and on every seed. Now you have people like me that will not forget it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.30    4 months ago

Perrie, you have the right answer.  


Let us always keep that in mind.

 
 
 
TᵢG
16.1.33  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.30    4 months ago

I agree.   Be thoughtful and make a case supported by facts and reason.   Most people recognize intellectual dishonesty and other ugly tactics.   But beyond that, debate tactics (games) are just noise.   They take away from the content value of the site.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.34  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.25    4 months ago
You mean Biden just recently?  Like right on this very topic?

@5.1.29

Don't worry Joe's carefully selecting a VP pick to hide his racism.
Saying that blacks aren't black unless they vote for democrats?

Do you see me defending that?

Even when Biden isn't the topic?

Please, Vic.  How often do we see an article in which Trump is the topic, but we get "but Obama" or "but Hillary would have been worse" in response?

The day when "Trump supporters" are not defamed as a group on here is the day I'll consider offering progressives the same level of decency.

So you insult, because they insult, but also claim to promote civility.  How does that work, exactly?

 
 
 
MUVA
16.1.35  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.27    4 months ago

The sheer amount of attacks on Trump supporters compared to that of the slime you mentioned is laughable. The amount articels calling Trump suporters nazi's, bigots, anti semitic ,Homophobic and so on dwarf anything coming for what you call right wing.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.1.36  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.25    4 months ago

Vic, 

This is my article. I actually wrote it. And the fact that you are kind of missing the point is disturbing to me. 

Look, I said in the opening that Biden was wrong for saying that. But on the other hand, you can't get all upset about it, it President Trump makes remarks like that, too. The only people who get to be upset about this are the people who it affects and it doesn't affect you. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.1.37  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.33    4 months ago
But beyond that, debate tactics (games) are just noise.   They take away from the content value of the site.

I totally agree and it really bothers me.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.38  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.31    4 months ago
For too long, people were allowed to go on tirades over Trump. They did it constantly and on every seed. Now you have people like me that will not forget it.

Of course they're allowed to go on tirades.  It's a discussion forum focused on politics.  What else would you expect?  Why do you take insults against Trump personally, but think that supporters of other politicians should not take insults against those politicians personally?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.1.39  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @16.1.35    4 months ago

MUVA,

The fact that you don't see that the attacks go both ways just amazes me. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
16.1.40  sandy-2021492  replied to  MUVA @16.1.35    4 months ago
The sheer amount of attacks on Trump supporters compared to that of the slime you mentioned is laughable.

Attacks on Trump are not attacks on his supporters, although those occur as well.  You really should learn to separate the two, and focus on the ones that are actually a problem (attacks on his supporters), rather than those which are not (attacks on Trump himself, which are not insulting to those with whom one is conversing).

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
16.1.41  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.39    4 months ago

Hold on, I'm seeding a Jesus lover article to watch some panties get in a bunch. It seems to always work.

BRB

jrSmiley_122_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.42  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.36    4 months ago
This is my article.

I know that.


And the fact that you are kind of missing the point is disturbing to me. 

I thought your point was it is hypocritical to attack Biden for his "you ain't black" comment without attacking Trump for his "Jews voting against themselves" remarks?
I am only pointing out that it is also hypocritical to make such a point only when Biden is the one under attack. Would you do the same for Trump?

 
 
 
MUVA
16.1.43  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.30    4 months ago

I would say calling memebers white nationlist and Nazi's or at least insinuate that is not a argument but a  personal insult and is used way too often on this site.  

 
 
 
MUVA
16.1.44  MUVA  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.40    4 months ago

Sure.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
16.1.45  KDMichigan  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.8    4 months ago
That is also a clear admission of willful intent to taunt;  the opposite of thoughtful discourse.

The fact that you are responding to a comment with a willful intent to taunt is Hillaryious. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
16.1.46  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.38    4 months ago
What else would you expect? 

I'd expect:

1) people to speak to seeds or articles. If I write an article on let's say "ballot harvesting", I don't expect nor want somebody coming on to simply call the President a name.

2) When the article does involve the President, I would expect people to have some fact based commentary beyond the President is "a scumbag."

3) I would expect that after being subjected to such vitriol a Trump supporter gets to respond in kind without being deleted. If you allow what I consider trolling, you really have no moral right to ticket the person who has been trolled. 


Why do you take insults against Trump personally, but think that supporters of other politicians should not take insults against those politicians personally?

I think you might be getting it. If I slammed Obama all day long, I would expect you to rail against Trump. Trolling begets more trolling!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
16.1.47  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.33    4 months ago

Trump posted this photo on his social media Saturday.

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What kind of "thoughtful" response would you recommend? 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
16.1.48  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @16.1.47    4 months ago

Is that an Extra from the Walking Dead?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.1.49  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.1.48    4 months ago

OK everyone, this has gone way off topic into Meta. Please stop or all comments will be removed. Thank you. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @16    4 months ago

OK, what makes an independent is being able to vote across party lines. I would prefer 3 or more parties but our two-party system has that locked up. I am sure you have voted for institutionalized politicians prior to Trump, since he is an anomaly. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
16.2.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.2    4 months ago

In all fairness I am an independent. I'd vote for a democrat if they could legalize cocaine and ecstasy and give me a check so I could sit on my couch and grow a gut while you pay for it.

I do occasionally vote for democrat judges. Although the last one I voted for decided to go lite on pedos and release a bunch of felons into the community who rinsed and repeated their crimes.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.2.1    4 months ago
In all fairness I am an independent. I'd vote for a democrat if they could legalize cocaine and ecstasy and give me a check so I could sit on my couch and grow a gut while you pay for it.

I'm pretty sure with that stereotype, that comment would indicate that you are a conservative, but other's mileage may vary. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
16.2.3  Release The Kraken  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.2.2    4 months ago

I just claim to be an independent so I can have a false sense of moral high ground.  It makes me feel good about me.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
16.2.4  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.2.3    4 months ago

Was that supposed to be a jab at NY? Not biting.

Most states have it written into their constitutions that they must have a balanced budget, and NY does to, and we do it. 

I think you are getting confused with state debt. That is a whole different animal. Almost every state has debt. 

Many state balanced-budget practices appear to have been developed from a limit on state debt by judicial interpretation or political consensus. The compilers have not attempted to trace judicial interpretation, but have included the debt-limitation language when state officials recommended doing so or when there was no other obvious constitutional or statutory source for the requirement. State constitutions as late as the Alaska State Constitution of 1956 allow the use of debt "for the purpose of repelling invasion, suppressing insurrection, defending the State in war...," in the words of the Alaska constitution. https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/state-constitutional-and-statutory-requirements-fo.aspx

Here is a chart by state. It is interactive. 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/debt-by-state/

And again:

This is off topic. No more off topic comment. Please stop devolving into off topic comments. They will be removed. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
16.2.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.2.3    4 months ago

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1stwarrior
17  1stwarrior    4 months ago

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Carry on.

[Take it to Metafied]

 
 
 
Sparty On
18  Sparty On    4 months ago

Progressive, partisan politics has brought much of this on.    Constantly attempting to force us into neat little voting blocks they can count on.     It’s FUBAR, very FUBAR.

You see it all the time here.     Conservatives aren’t as smart as liberals or liberals are all just bleeding hearts, etc, etc.    To me it usually boils down to one thing.

Haters gotta hate.    Usually it’s the small, petty little mind that uses these tactics.    Or the politician trying to manipulate your vote.

As far as Trumps comment on Jews here, the context was clearly towards support of the Jewish state and railing on those who didn’t support it.     Specifically comments made by some squad members and those who support some of the anti-Semitic rhetoric coming from them.     He clearly wasn’t talking to you Perrie.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
18.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @18    4 months ago

"i think any Jewish people, that vote for a Democrat, shows a total lack of knowledge, or great disloyalty", or something pretty close, as quote is to the best of my recollection.

Sounds to me like Trump thinks Jewish people are not intelligent enough to think for themselves, or he considers them disloyal to their Religion andor Heritage, if they could/would be so bold as to vote Democratic , when the vast majority of Jews in this country Are, and Already Vote, Democratic, so they aren't very bright according to Trump. Isn't Trumps' bud set to go on trial today in Israel ?

on anothr note, Happy Memorial Day to you and ALL THOSE ON NEWSTALKERS THAT SERVED.

Thank you all, for your Service

We've obviously got slightly different views on maybe a couple of things, but i appreciate your Service, and all those that have Served, especially, those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, they are indeed worthy of our RESPECT, today, and every day.   Thank YOU Vets!

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @18.1    4 months ago

Appreciate the sentiment ig, much thx.    Now I say this with no I’ll intent at all but for informational purposes only.

Memorial day is for the fallen not the living.     Show those folks your appreciation on this day, go to a service if you can but a kind thought of appreciation is all it really takes.    Definitely.

Living Vets day is November 11th.     Marines like me tend to be crazy about Nov 10th as well ..... our birthday.

Thanking living Vets is great any day and is appreciated but I do prefer the attention goes we’re it belongs for this holiday.    To those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

Thanks again though, it is appreciated.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
18.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @18.1.1    4 months ago

Thanks again though, it is appreciated.

and i fully appreciate the correction on my clumsy correspondence, but hey, it's what i do.

Memorial Day, should sorta say what you did,

so to all of our fallen hero's, i am the one drinkin to, tres amigos put forth Whiskey, and i'll DRINK till i have to take the FIFTH, cause i have a Sixth Sense come the Seventh Day, Ate daze a weak in the Octagon of life, like a malignancy now benign, Ten X's more powerful than one, but add X, and your two shy of a bakers that dozen preheat his gross , cause it would be

lucky, if thirteen times out of four teens they listened to the fifteen with the permit to blow out sixteen candles on their seventeenth birth right where eight teens are required to do what three used to accomplish before oh 1900  ours or so it

is a given, but today ain't for the livin, so 

God Bless our Fallen,

cause you never know, when it will be our next heroes calling,

but i'm still gonna be wrong, and call all who've served ,  heroes in one way or anothers',

thank you all, fathers, sisters, mothers, brothers

Awoman   Amen

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @18.1.2    4 months ago

It’s all good.    The fallen do deserve all the attention on MD and every day really but this day is specifically theirs.    Thanking a Vet any day works as well.

Try to remember the lucky ones of us still taking sustenance on Nov 11th and if you to want piss off the other branches, wish a Marine a happy birthday on Nov 10th.    Most in the other branches don't have a clue when theirs is.    You’ll have a hard time finding a Marine who doesn’t know that.

Oorah!

 
 
 
Ender
18.2  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @18    4 months ago

I for one get sick of the, well your candidate did this, well your candidate did this...

People making excuses or ignoring flaws in their own horse while attacking for the same in another.

I always think, is this the best we can do? It is no longer about qualifications but showmanship.

It is all just pandering. Take donald and his decree that churches are essential services. Do I really think he cares about churches or the people that attend them? Hell no, just pandering to a demographic to lock in a vote.

I will just say, Biden may at times be a dumbass, but I would take that any day over a complete disgusting human being.

I would also take four years of relative calm and not getting much done than what we have now. The withdraw from any treaties we may have, the talk of restarting nuclear testing, the destruction of pollution controls, talk of more tax breaks for the wealthy, the talk of cutting social services...

I would definitely be happy not having to hear the leader of the free world calling people names, attacking his fellow countrymen (in other countries) and just acting like a complete asshole. I never in my life thought we would have a president that acts like a toddler, cannot take any criticism and whose only strong suit is putting down others on a social media platform.

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @18.2    4 months ago

And there it is.    It always becomes all about Trump for some.    

Trump has no filter.    Sometimes that’s a flaw, others it’s not.  The people who will say it is always a flaw are a huge part of the problem.    Specifically, the mass media and resist movement.    The clear bias being practiced by some in those groups is about as egregious as it can get.    The negative reporting against Trump has been persistent and copious.    A constant barrage if you will.

To put the entire blame for the negative nature of politics today on Trump’s inability to lie well like typical politicians, is disingenuous as hell imo.    I too wish some of his comments weren’t so sophomoric but in another breath I find it refreshing that he’s not lying to us like most politicians do regularly.     Most lie their asses off nonstop.    Not Trump, he thinks it and it comes squirting out without supposition for the most part.

Could he be more “Presidential?”    No doubt.     Should that be an excuse to attack him relentlessly and fan the fires of this political divide in an attempt to get rid of a duly elected POTUS?    Nope, not even ....

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.2  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 months ago

And yet quick to defend him. Do you actually think donald never lies? You actually think because he has no filter he is telling the truth? That is comical.

To act like poor donald is attacked relentlessly for no apparent reason is ignoring the ire he brings on himself.

Having no filter is not an excuse as some are trying to make it. That is akin to saying, well don't pay attention to my kid and his potty mouth. We taught him to be a free spirit.

Ridiculous.

I notice you get upset about him being attacked yet completely ignore all the attacks he makes himself.

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 months ago
And there it is.    It always becomes all about Trump for some.  

The Stupid thing about this article is.....Joey Boy coughs up "Racist" rants while running for President and the "Left" finds it to just be Just a Joe Thingy (Alzheimer's can do that to folks Ya know), and then the  "Left" tells themselves they MUST find something they find "Racist" by Trump, 10, 20 or 30 or so years ago, while he was still in "Private" practice. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

That should vindicate the Democrats Presidential Pick. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

The "Media Whores" are sure great at digging up "Old Stuff", when they don't like someone. Don't worry though.....they "Like Joey", so they won't be able to find …… ANYTHING about ANYTHING on Joey ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @18.2.2    4 months ago

Your response is more emotion than logic.    Clearly I’m not the one who is upset here.

My comment clearly had some criticism for Trump but because I wasn’t frothing at mouth with anger towards him, I guess you didn’t notice that.

Sad.

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 months ago

I know.    

One wonders if the disingenuousness is purposeful or if they can really be that obtuse.

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.5    4 months ago
purposeful

jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.7  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.4    4 months ago

And you are going to ignore everything I said and dismiss it as 'being emotional'.

I am not upset, just amazed at what people can close their eyes to.

As far as him being attacked, that is part of his shtick. He attacks people and then when they attack back he claims victim. Really odd and sad that people cannot see this.

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.8  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 months ago

And do you think you are not falling into political hands?

You are taking one statement and acting like it is the end all be all of totality.

Meanwhile turning a blind eye, if not making excuses to the same in ones own.

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.9  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.8    4 months ago
You are taking one statement and acting like it is the end all be all of totality.

But the "Left" ALWAYS tells us …… That's just Joe !

Seems to me...… "That's Just Joe"  would mean he's done this for YEARS, not just this one time !

You can only Excuse a Habitual Racist and a woman toucher for so long …… Right ?

Joe = Once you go White Dem.....you should never go back …. or one is not "Black" ?

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.10  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.9    4 months ago

I know you have to be smart enough to know the difference between gaffs of different topics or saying the same thing over and over...

You can only Excuse a Habitual Racist and a woman toucher for so long

Yet again, you accept these things in your own...

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.11  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.10    4 months ago
I know you have to be smart enough to know the difference between gaffs of different topics or saying the same thing over and over...

I do !

Joe says the same stupid shit thing, over and over.

Now what ?

At least he loves 7-11 "Dot Heads". jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.12  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.11    4 months ago

And donald says the same stupid shit over and over.

So now we get to decide and I think we know where we both stand.

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.13  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.12    4 months ago
And donald says the same stupid shit over and over.

Trump talks like Biden ?

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.14  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.13    4 months ago

Maybe Biden should start talking like donald.

Seems his followers love it.

Oh I forgot. Only donald is allowed to talk trash. Everyone else would be condemned for it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
18.2.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @18.2.14    4 months ago

Oh I forgot. Only donald is allowed to talk trash. Everyone else would be condemned for it.

is not that, the damn truth

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.16  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.14    4 months ago
Maybe Biden should start talking like donald. Seems his followers love it.

Tuning his racism down would work better for you ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

Trumps better than Joe ?

"Oh I forgot. Only donald is allowed to talk trash."

Haven't heard Trump talk Trash About a "Race".....have you ?

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.17  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.16    4 months ago

Inane questions abound?

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.18  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.17    4 months ago
Inane questions abound?

Reality ?

384

Still waiting to "See" a link to an actual Trump Racist Comment" !

"Illegal" isn't a "Race. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.19  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 months ago

Look everyone puts their foot in their mouth sometimes. But if you are going to accept it from one, you have to accept it from all.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.20  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 months ago
The Stupid thing about this article is.....Joey Boy coughs up "Racist" rants while running for President and the "Left" finds it to just be Just a Joe Thingy (Alzheimer's can do that to folks Ya know), and then the  "Left" tells themselves they MUST find something they find "Racist" by Trump, 10, 20 or 30 or so years ago, while he was still in "Private" practice.

I am the one who wrote this article. I am not "Left". I didn't give Biden a pass for his comment. But Trump who made the same kind of comment doesn't get a pass either. And please do not put words in my mouth. The word "Racist" was not said in that article. And btw, it doesn't matter how long ago someone made a comment, it was still made. 

And please be careful who you are calling a media whore, since I am the one who wrote the article. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.21  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.19    4 months ago
Look everyone puts their foot in their mouth sometimes. But if you are going to accept it from one, you have to accept it from all.

Really ?

Joe Biden = 36 years gaffing in politics

Donald Trump = 3.5 Years Gaffing? in Politics !

36 > 3.5

Shouldn't Trump be the one that you should except this "Foot-In-Mouth" issue From ?

The 36 years of "Accepting Joe", should, by now, make one Trump acceptable !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.22  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.11    4 months ago
Joe says the same stupid shit thing, over and over.

And so does Trump, but that doesn't bother you. Both bother me. 

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.23  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.18    4 months ago

Why should I? Anything would be dismissed. Likely falling on deaf ears but....

The Brookings Cafeteria podcast last week   discussed the role President Trump’s racist rhetoric has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior. It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.

First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers  have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate  that anti-immigrant sentiment , racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump. Trump’s much-discussed vote advantage with non-college-educated whites is misleading; when accounting for racism and sexism, the education gap among whites in the 2016 election returns to the typical levels of previous elections since 2000. Trump did not do especially well with non-college-educated whites, compared to other Republicans. He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-do-the-data-say/
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.24  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.16    4 months ago

Trump has. You want to ignore it and focus on Biden and then claim to be fair. Being fair is being able to acknowledge that. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.25  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.18    4 months ago

Actually read my article. It is in there. I don't think you want me to post an actual link to his history of racist comments. It would not bode well for you and that was not the point of my article. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.26  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.22    4 months ago
And so does Trump, but that doesn't bother you.

Joe is ALWAYS just a "Stand in" (ever wonder why?). Trump doesn't say anything more than "WE" ALL say...even if under ALL our breaths. If you "Think" otherwise....you're only fooling yourself, thus the NEED for Joe ! He's a "Fool" !

"Politically Pandering" over the Decades ….. "Nicey Talk" if you will.....has gotten us nothing but "The Need for a Trump" type as president. If things were sooooo GREAT, Hillary would be President !

When it gets to the point that a "Politician" wears the "Kissy Ring", and people agree they'll kiss it...… Thus Trump ! 

Joe Biden = "I don't work for you" !

BULLSHIT !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.27  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.21    4 months ago

It doesn't matter that Trump is new to politics, he had a life in the public domain and a lifetime of his comments count. His actions count. Same for Biden. See how that works?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.28  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.26    4 months ago

OK do not bring Hillary into this discussion. That is nothing more than a strawman.

You want to pretend that Trump's comment get a pass because he was not "Political" but he shouldn't. He has spent his life in the public spotlight, and once you do that, everything you do is on the table. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.29  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.27    4 months ago
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It Is ME
18.2.30  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.28    4 months ago
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Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.31  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.29    4 months ago

His comment was wrong. But you seem to forgive Trump for the same kind of comment. 

The rest of your comment is off topic. 

 
 
 
Ender
18.2.32  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.29    4 months ago
he isn't a "Newbie"

After four years of donald, neither is he.

Plus, I don't live in the city yet I knew of him for decades. He has always put himself in the spotlight.

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.33  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.32    4 months ago
After four years of donald, neither is he.

36 > 4 ..…. EVERY TIME !

 
 
 
It Is ME
18.2.34  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.31    4 months ago
His comment was wrong. But you seem to forgive Trump for the same kind of comment. 

No !

I look at "When" comments are made. Biden's running for President with his comments..... Trump wasn't, and ISN'T !

"The rest of your comment is off topic. "

YOUR reasoning ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.2.35  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.34    4 months ago
I look at "When" comments are made. Biden's running for President with his comments..... Trump wasn't, and ISN'T !

It doesn't matter when as long as it is about the office. Trump made one while he was president and Biden made one when he was running. They were both inappropriate and neither should be tolerated.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
18.2.36  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.35    4 months ago

On Saturday President* Trump posted something on HIS tweeter feed that referred to Hillary Clinton as a "skank" and another one that referred to Nancy Pelosi as a drunk with bad dentures and included a fake photo of Pelosi with two sets of eyebrows on each eye. 

It goes without saying this is intolerable behavior from the president of the United States.  Why is it do you think that so few people care that Trump has made our country into a laughingstock? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
18.2.37  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @18.2.36    4 months ago
It goes without saying this is intolerable behavior from the president of the United States. 

He is an embarrassment.   It demeans the office to have an occupant behaving like an obnoxious high-school student.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
18.2.38  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 months ago
 I too wish some of his comments weren’t so sophomoric but in another breath I find it refreshing that he’s not lying to us like most politicians do regularly.

I wish you were not serious. 

 
 
 
CB
18.2.39  CB   replied to  Ender @18.2    4 months ago

Just in case I missed it as I read further down to this "tremendous" thread, looking for a spot to interject this, I will just start at the beginning:

BRAVO! PERFECTO! "Maestro" Ender continue, please! We Are Giants!

 
 
 
CB
18.2.40  CB   replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 months ago
I find it refreshing that he’s not lying to us like most politicians do regularly.     Most lie their asses off nonstop.    Not Trump, he thinks it and it comes squirting out without supposition for the most part.

Your challenge should you choose to undertake it: Demonstrate without using rhetoric, the former presidents, loved or despised, who have dedicated fact-checkers who trail him/them around correcting 'the record.'

This should be easy for you, considering your quote above, "I find it refreshing. . . . "

 
 
 
CB
18.2.41  CB   replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 months ago

A politician's make-up is fair game. Joe Biden is not getting any pass from me on his 'hair-brained' comment. You can record that in your 'log' of statements by a liberal. Biden apologized immediately for his non-stellar moment.

Your guy does not do apologies; and like him looking in the mirror,  I surmise you don't do apologies either.

However, we are still counting the sick, dying, and dead who are heading towards the cliff to fall off from this Trump-led supporter-fed, "it ain't me" program of ignore the coronavirus/covid-19 event raging and re-raging in our country. 

Thus, above, I made the comparison of Biden's timely and significant apology to the lack of a Trump/supporter apology to the "Central Park Five" who Trump sought to see get the death penalty or 'rot' in Jail—so much so that on the strength of his hometown New York, he served to influence law and justice against them.

The "five" were exonerated, and received a New York City settlement for a wrong conviction. It would have been so easy for Trump to say he was wrong about them, if only in hindsight. He won't do it in 2016, and he won't do it today.

Therefore, please do miss us with your "poor Donald" never the instigator shtick.

Biden was wrong for misjudging the instance at the tail-end of an 18 minutes long interview (during which I have heard he was drilled hard and matched the procedure) and his audience of Charlemagne tha God and his listeners. Donald Trump, well. . . is you.

 
 
 
CB
18.2.42  CB   replied to  It Is ME @18.2.9    4 months ago

Trump's character is Trump's problem. Trump tries to compel liberals to forsake their ideas, drives, and politics through coercion, intrigue, and in yo face lies and misinformation. "Jump" your train of liberalism: hop aboard the Trump conservative Express. Kiss liberalism and progressivism the long goodbye. . . .

Joe's character is not his problem. Joe wants to help conservatives, liberals, and independents find some reasonable and respectable common ground for existing peacefully and if he dares—relatively doing so happily. Joe hopes we can all be our best selves together existing as components of a whole system.Therefore, his character is open to all, and not shielded by deceptive tendencies and actions.or extraordinary lies and misinformation.

 
 
 
CB
18.2.43  CB   replied to  It Is ME @18.2.21    4 months ago

Donald Trump gets no respite, because he came down the escalator intent on making enemies and 'taking names' and like a bull pitching its big head and horns left/right/center in a china shop.

You won't admit Trump has been lying daily and misinforming the citizenry as a daily 'ritual'—giving you plenty of 'crap' to come here and parse on a cyclic basis (that is when you feel up to it). You won't openly admit Trump and you Trump supporters want liberals and progressives to forsake their politics entirely; even as you supplant it with Trump conservatism.

We don't want or have any interest in being well, like you, a Trump conservative.

We don't need to argue Joe Biden with you. You do not have a 36 year record of Joe "gaffing." That is simply rhetoric. On the otherhand, should you have a valid record of 36 years (no opinion) of Biden gaffe; give it over here.

 
 
 
Sparty On
18.2.44  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @18.2.38    4 months ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
18.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @18    4 months ago

Good Morning Sparty,

For the sake of a decent conversation, I'm ignoring the usual talking points you made and I am going to try and explain. But I hope you were not talking about me, when you say haters got to hate and petty small minded tactics.

I am not a progressive but I am Jewish. And I have to tell you, that I had to think carefully before I actually admitted that on this site. I am well aware that antisemitism is still alive and well, and I have never discussed my background on the site before. I only shared it occasionally privately with people I have gotten to know. I didn't want who I was to interfere with what I do here. 

But then Biden made this comment and it brought up how I felt when Trump made that comment.  There is a cultural difference between blacks and Jews. Blacks have gotten used to being vocal about how they feel. Jews have learned to keep their displeasure about comments like that to themselves. History taught us to keep a low profile. 

But what you might have not been aware of, is that many Jewish publications discussed Trump's comment at the time. We were offended. He doesn't get to tell us who is or is not a Jew or who is or is not intelligent based on how he thinks we should vote. 

Neither does Biden for the black community. He was wrong, plain and simple. 

You talked about partisan politics. But when Trump made his remark, not a single article about it on the front page, but when Biden does, there is. Yeah I get it. There is an election in the balance so now anything to take down each other. That was why I was very careful to address the most current event (Biden's comment) first and then go onto Trump's. 

But here's is the thing. 

You defend Trump's comment and say that he was clearly supporting Israel and I would agree. But he made it also made it political. He drew a line in the sand with Jews that he does not get to decide for them. That is exactly what Biden did for blacks. Biden can't tell blacks that if they don't vote for him, they ain't black. Neither man belongs to these groups. They have no idea what it's like to be a member. They are two white Christian men that have lived totally different lives to any Jew, or to any black person.

 
 
 
CB
18.3.1  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.3    4 months ago

No one gets to 'own' a whole category of people (ignoring their liberty to choose, say, or act) by something they do or think is sufficient. That is hubris. And of the kind which never can be honorable. Biden goofed. And he got checked. Most significantly, he repented for it. And he allows repentance to alter his course on the matter in question.

Biden was 'checked.' He changed. Now those who want to throw him 'overboard' need to look for a new opportunity to do so.

 
 
 
It Is ME
19  It Is ME    4 months ago

The other thing I noticed from the article, was that the "Title" doesn't match the rant.

Title = "Is It Okay When Trump Attacks Jews?"

Sentence in Article = "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear  yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else." 

Wouldn't that be a "PRAISE" for Jewish people (Trusts), and an "ATTACK" on "Black" people (Distrusts) ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
19.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @19    4 months ago

Wouldn't that be a "PRAISE" for Jewish people (Trusts), and an "ATTACK" on "Black" people (Distrusts) ?

ever comment with the stereo playin in the background...? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
19.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @19.1    4 months ago
ever comment with the stereo playin in the background...? 

Could you turn your Stereo down.....I couldn't understand what you said.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
19.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @19    4 months ago
Sentence in Article="Black guys counting my money! I hate it.Theonlykind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear  yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else." 

Do you think that is not an insult to Jewish people? Do you think that all Jews are short, wearing  yarmulkes and sit around counting money?

And no, it is not trust that is being implied by that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
19.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.2    4 months ago
Do you think that is not an insult to Jewish people?

"I Hate it".....would be more insulting than saying short and yarmulkes wearers.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
19.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @19.2.1    4 months ago
"I Hate it".....would be more insulting than saying short and yarmulkes wearers.

So you are OK with really bad stereotypes? Those are the same ones that had Jews ran out of town and killed for centuries.

 
 
 
MUVA
19.2.3  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.2.2    4 months ago

I want to know how Louis Farrakhan is off topic?He is one of the biggest anti semites and a friend of Obama's and a democrat supporter.

 
 
 
CB
19.2.4  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.2.2    4 months ago

That you have to split hairs on this is part of the problem with people who whether come here to argue the indefensible and not simply let it ease by unmolested, is a portion of the problem with this. Trumpism simply shouts at others from its shallowness just beneath the surface of dilemmas, issues, and policies.

"It is Me," Trump's statement was an insult to black males who had the responsibility and job description to count casino money, because it devalued their education, abilities, and implied something negative against their personal characters; Trump's statement about the Jews played into a well-indulged stereotype that Jews are all about money, are involved in the getting of money though nuanced means, and especially into the hoarding of money. No Jewish person who simply wants to experience a normal life in this land would appreciate a characterization of their whole being as that of transactional and negotiable

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
19.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  It Is ME @19    4 months ago

Trump's comment is well depicted by the drawing at the top of the page.  I don't think of the words "counting my money" as having the dignity of using the word accountant. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
20  igknorantzrulz    4 months ago

huh ?

can't here U, i'm me somewhere else

keyboarding till it starts snowin, then im goin snowbordeing, but i'm rockin out, it's what i do, while typin, you shouldn't tri it sum times...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
22  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 months ago

Article is now reopened. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
22.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @22    4 months ago

Article is now reopened. 

now u tell me

 
 
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