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Is It Okay When Trump Attacks Jews?

  

Category:  News & Politics

By:  perrie-halpern  •  4 years ago  •  282 comments

Is It Okay When Trump Attacks Jews?
“There are some people that should stay quiet, because they understand. As there are those that should stay quiet, because they don't understand. Some things are better left unsaid or voiced.” ― Anthony Liccione


I am not going to defend the comment that Biden made to the black community. It was wrong and indefensible. And although he did apologize, only the black community can say whether or not they feel it was good enough. I am not black. I will not speak for them. 

What I do find amusing but expected is the faux outrage from the white Republican community. They have no idea of what a comment like that actually means to blacks. They are just making it political fodder to try and bring down their political opponent. This is standard operating practice for partisan politics. 

But the thing is, Donald Trump made a similar remark to the Jewish community, that they seem to have conveniently forgotten. I will remind you:

I am a Jew so I can talk about this. Who the hell is he to tell me what qualifies me as a Jew? That I am either unintelligent or a or a traitor  to Jews if I vote Democrat. He can't. He is totally out of line, because being Jewish by injection doesn't count. So I don't care that his daughter converted to Judaism or that his grandchildren are being raised as Jews, he himself has zero right to speak for Jews. He has not lived his life as a Jew. He has no idea of what the Jewish community has endured over the centuries. And footnote, no apology given for that remark. 

And if you think I am being unfair, before he was president and before his daughter converted, he made this comment t o Jack O’Donnell is the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino

"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else." 

Where do you start with a comment like that? Not only is it racist against blacks (and maybe that is what Biden was referring to), it is also one of the worst antisemitic tropes. The short sleazy money counting Jew. And don't tell me it was meant as a compliment. It wasn't. 

So please, save the faux outrage at Biden if you are a white person. It's not for you to say. Only the black community can discuss this. You should all be quiet right now. Trump is no better. 


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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 years ago

I will not defend Biden's words. That is not for me to decide. I am not black. 

But before you go throwing stones and glasshouses, think again. Because Trump's comments about Jews have been just as bad.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 years ago

It looks like the remarks by Biden and Trump are simply political BS, and they cancel each other out.

I think Trump is more accepting of Jews and blacks in general than Biden could ever be. The track record of the Democrats regarding blacks is dreadful going back decades. Promises made and never delivered.

But I also wonder why the widespread criticism and slander of Christians on this site on a daily basis is not also condemned?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 years ago
It looks like the remarks by Biden and Trump are simply political BS, and they cancel each other out.

Not sure about that. But the hysteria over Bidens comments by white folks is a bit much given Trump's past. 

I think Trump is more accepting of Jews and blacks in general than Biden could ever be. The track record of the Democrats regarding blacks is dreadful going back decades. Promises made and never delivered.

Read his record below here 5.1.9   and then say that to me. I think not.  

But I also wonder why the widespread criticism and slander of Christians on this site on a daily basis is not also condemned?

OK this is off-topic and meta. Could you please write me up your complaint in Metafied and I will be glad to discuss this with you. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 years ago

Good question.  

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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1.3  Drakkonis  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 years ago
I will not defend Biden's words. That is not for me to decide. I am not black.

Speaking for myself, I tend to think what one's color is has little to do with whether the statement was bad or not. Anyone of any race should be able to identify something stupid. That statement, and the one by Trump, is stupid no matter the color. And, to my mind, color or ethnicity, in and of themselves, isn't what makes those statements derogatory. It is the idea that because one may be (insert color or ethnicity here) then you cannot be an individual with your own ideas, values and beliefs but, rather, have to conform to some sort of established ideal imposed from either within or without one's (insert color or ethnicity here). 

Put another way, I don't think those statements are racially offensive. I think they are individually offensive (offensive to an individual), regardless of race or ethnicity. If someone stated that because I am white I have to feel a certain way I wouldn't feel racially offended. I would feel offended as an individual who was trying to be pigeonholed simply on the basis of my skin color. Everyone should be offended by that and you don't need to be a member of any particular race or ethnicity to understand it is a stupid statement to make. 

So, don't worry about defending Biden's (or Trump's, for those worried about that) because they aren't defensible. Not even black people (or Jews) can defend them. Because if they try to, then they themselves are saying every black person (or Jew) who conforms (or doesn't) isn't really being loyal to what it means to be black (or a Jew). No one has the right to make such a judgement for anyone else. 

Anyway, that's how I see it. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
1.3.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    4 years ago

Anyway, that's how I see it. 

as you make a judgement , and be it your own, have you still not been judgemental, as i know not of any, who can be 100% impartial without bias, cause we all buy ass, one way or another, Know ?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.3.2  Drakkonis  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.3.1    4 years ago

Yes, I am making a judgement about what was said. Why? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.3.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    4 years ago

Drakk,

I get your point and I appreciate what you are trying to say. Some comments are very stupid. What I (as an indie) didn't like is freaking out about Biden while ignoring Trumps equally offensive comments. I would not defend either. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
1.3.4  Drakkonis  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.3    4 years ago
What I (as an indie) didn't like is freaking out about Biden while ignoring Trumps equally offensive comments.

I hear you and agree. Like being in grade school, sometimes. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.3.5  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.4    4 years ago
I hear you and agree. Like being in grade school, sometimes. 

I agree, and you are saying this to a teacher so excellent comparison. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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1.3.6  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.3    4 years ago
I would not defend either. 

But you felt the need to post this in defense of Biden in your own words.

Just like last election you have two awful choices, I'm not choosing Biden.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.3.7  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @1.3.6    4 years ago
But you felt the need to post this in defense of Biden in your own words.

Please refer to the opening sentences and tell me if they sound like a defense of Biden. 

Just like last election you have two awful choices, I'm not choosing Biden.

Yup. I have no idea who you voted for in the last election. I voted third party. This time around I guess we are going to split ways, if for no other reason than Biden couldn't be worse than Trump and at worst we can change again in another 4 years.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.3.8  XXJefferson51  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3    4 years ago

The whole article is a great big whataboutism to try to deflect some attention away from Biden for his ludicrous comment and say, but Trump!  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.3.9  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.8    4 years ago

No one should buy into your biased commentary. You could not get closer to Trump in intent on this thread if you were using his White House communications apparatus. Joe can use some distraction from his gaffe, as it resides in each of us to determine how much weight or impact to the man's character to apply. You don't get to do that. You won't get to do it.

And finally, you can't get Donald Trump to be quiet long enough for anybody to give him the benefit of doubt. BTW, would you like to render any apology on behalf of Donald Trump to this group?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3.10  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @1.3.9    4 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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1.3.11  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3.10    4 years ago

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igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
1.3.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drakkonis @1.3.2    4 years ago

Yes, I am making a judgement about what was said. Why? 

due to the fact it occurs after X ,in my alpha beta soup kitchen ware i cook books never read, get paid like a chairperson ,under the table of elements every now and then, like periodically with an exclaimed point....what was mine ....

oh yea, i think we were on the same Page Jimi, but i'm onto a nother Novel 

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til we r broken

n2oh so many slivers of livers scared of chickens too insecure like a Fox Fed starving head start 

to 

Finish

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
1.4  TTGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 years ago
I will not defend Biden's words.

BUT TRUMP is a method of deflection and deflection is a form of defense.  Therefore, you are defending Biden..

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.4.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TTGA @1.4    4 years ago

That is not a deflection when people think they have the high ground with Biden, but accept it from their President while he is the president. Deflection would be if I was referring back to G.W. Bush, who actually was a nice decent man and never would have made those remarks. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.4.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.1    4 years ago

I’m not Jewish but have extended family that are and I’m a big time supporter of Israel.  I like all the things President Trump has done regarding Israel.  The way things are trending in Israel and in the democrat party, one day it will be very hard for American Jews to support both.  Thus the emergence of conservative Jewish Republicans in America and among Americans living and working in Israel.  When an election is very close in Florida American Jewish expats from Israel can tip the total to the Republican.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.4.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.4.2    4 years ago

I am not surprised you are a big-time supporter of Israel. How else can "End Times" come?

The way things are trending in Israel and in the democrat party, one day it will be very hard for American Jews to support both.

Four people in a party hardly is a trend. What do you actually think that this is the first time that either party has had antisemites in them? Think again. There is no conflict of conscience. 

Thus the emergence of conservative Jewish Republicans in America

There have always been Republican Jews. This is not a new thing. 

and among Americans living and working in Israel.

????

When an election is very close in Florida American Jewish expats from Israel can tip the total to the Republican.  

How many expat from Israel live in Florida compared to NY? Well in Florida there are about 9,500 and in NY there are 30,200. So I doubt they make a dent in Florida politics And what makes you think they are all Republican? But in any case, it matters little since Jews only make up 2% of the population, so I doubt it really makes any difference.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.4.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.3    4 years ago

When the whole state of Florida was decided by 500 votes it makes a difference

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Thomas
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1.4.5  Thomas  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.4.2    4 years ago
I’m not Jewish but have extended family that are and I’m a big time supporter of Israel.

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.4.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thomas @1.4.5    4 years ago

removed for context

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.4.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.4.6    4 years ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    4 years ago
But before you go throwing stones and glasshouses

Who are the white folks who are doing that?


Because Trump's comments about Jews have been just as bad.

So every time Biden makes a bad comment, you are going to look for a bad comment from Donald Trump?  I believe that is called "Whataboutism" and btw it is a highly partisan tactic. I really don't think you should get involved with it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
1.5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5    4 years ago

whataboutism don't you like ?

the J       token  is missed whence not mispokken 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3  JBB    4 years ago

Due to gaffs Biden's support by blacks is only 97%! 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JBB @3    4 years ago

I think who he now picks as a running mate might come into the equation though. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
3.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    4 years ago

and that, was wrong

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.1.1    4 years ago

I totally agree. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
3.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.2    4 years ago

I totally agree. 

with who...?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
4  Paula Bartholomew    4 years ago

Biden has a long way to go before he can catch up with the amount of oral diarrhea that has been spewed by Trump.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    4 years ago

everything that ever comes out of Biden’s mouth🤮is oral diarrhea 💩

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
4.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago

everything that ever comes out of Biden’s mouth🤮is oral diarrhea 💩

is that from  the never ending runz onscentences ?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6  CB    4 years ago

Biden was wrong to say it. Biden has been around long enough to understand nuances in communication. However, such statements are not the basis of public policy, nor do they inform us about the man who delivers them. I mean I can point to plenty people in my life, who make me blush by some curse words in the wrong setting - me included - however, I do not write them off for having a 'moment.' In this case, take the measure of the man!

I love Joe Biden's speedy apology. Joe Biden made a mistake. In that, he did not 'know' his audience in Charlemagne the God.  It is clear to me from looking at the interview, Charlemagne was on a whole other level of discussion with this 'elder' statesman.

It is something that Trump does not  supply. Because if Trump could utter remorse he could reach back to the Central Park Five, five black and Latino males, whom he wrote an open letter calling for the death penalty regarding in 1989. It's 2019, the men are free n 2019, and he won't capitulate his statement.

In the final analysis, neither Biden or Trump, both elder statesmen to differing degrees should have the life experiences enough to know not to presume on other people cultures—especially in a public setting. If the statement falls flat in private, the audience and onlookers are limited, but sitting "exposed' on a platform before God and mankind. . . . It's lacks good commonsense all around!

More later.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
7  igknorantzrulz    4 years ago

i don't recall the same posters being so upset when Trump informed Jews of how they were basically 'STUPID' 

cause i know, they would NEVER be hypocritical on anything Trump related...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
7.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7    4 years ago

He also claimed blacks were born inherently lazy.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8  CB    4 years ago

Programming Note:

On Sunday, May 24, 2020 10:00 AM EST /  Charlamagne the God will be on AM Joy!

Either Joe Biden will be approved or he will be deep-sixed by these two power-player intellectuals, including Joy Reed, in the marketplace where ideas are exchanged.

Be there or be square!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
8.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  CB @8    4 years ago

Good to know CB, Thanks! 

 
 
 
Baron Creek
Junior Quiet
9  Baron Creek    4 years ago

Nothing more than old school politics. This is about attempting to have voters consider all the time required, going to and from the polling stations on a Tuesday... given the questionable slate of candidates.

We are rapidly approaching the age when we can pick up the ballot from the mail box, vote at our kitchen tables and put it back in the mailbox... all at our convenience.  For some politicos, that can be downright scary as hell, imo.

or a trader to Jews

Traitor or freudian slip?jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Baron Creek @9    4 years ago

Baron,

You are 100% correct that this is nothing more than old school politics.

or a trader to Jews

Traitor or freudian slip? jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

LOL, Good one! No actually it was my autocorrect. But nice catch... I kept fixing it and it just kept reverting back. OK will try again. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Quiet
10  Steve Ott    4 years ago

What Donald Trump has said about Jews

"But Trump has said something far, far worse than even what the most bad-faith critics of Omar accused her of saying. In a speech before the Republican Jewish Coalition in April, he said that recently reelected Benjamin Netanyahu was " your prime minister ." Instead of implying dual loyalty, he all but said Jews aren't actually Americans at all, because they have single loyalty to Israel. As Josh Marshall writes , it's "as though American Jews are somehow an expat community of Israelis resident in the United States." (The conservatives who had a purple-faced screaming fit about Omar mysteriously didn't raise a fuss about this.)"

Graham berated Democrats because they only wanted power. Well, the Republicans have the power of the Senate, and to retain that power, have become pitiful sycophants.

So no, it isn't okay when Trump attacks Jews.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
10.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Steve Ott @10    4 years ago

Hi Steve,

Never heard that story before today. Not the first time Jews have had their loyalty to America questioned. Just wonderful to know that was implied by our President. I wonder what he says to his grandchildren? Gee, sorry you aren't really American, but I love you anyway. 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
Professor Quiet
10.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1    4 years ago
Gee, sorry you aren't really American, but I love you anyway. 

LOL. I'm not sure he truly loves anyone but himself, but that would be the best he could do.

If you read the story though, there are three other areas he has spoken on. That was just the first.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
10.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Steve Ott @10.1.1    4 years ago

Now his racism is no longer limited to African Americans and Jews, you can add the Chinese to the list. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
10.1.3  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1    4 years ago

For those of us who do not see the "offending" video. Here is it in all its inappropriateness. 

Donald Trump tells US Jews Netanyahu is ‘your prime minister’

Note: Once again there was the 'pimping' aspect 'folded-in' and orally stated by Trump. As he thinks I did you 'guys and gals' a favor, by doing Netanyahu a favor. Thus, implying there is supposed to be an incoming reward.. Nevermind, the fact that deals are usually struck and written out, before any activity/ies are brokered.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
11  Kavika     4 years ago

I can't defend what Biden said. That would be for blacks to decide for themselves. 

What is interesting is what Trump has said over his public life about Jews, American Indians, Muslims etc..

No outrage over it? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @11    4 years ago

You know Kavika, it is partisans that defend the undefendable. As an Indie, I can't. But I do hate the hypocrisy of outrage about Biden, when Trump's history is every bit as bad if not worse. 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    4 years ago

meh,  it's an election year, they have to make some type of effort to get the votes of black people. there won't be as many elderly votes from nursing homes for them to harvest this year and that deficit needs to be filled. I actually heard some token du jour on FOX still touting trump's record on black employment numbers, while apparently unaware of the current unemployment numbers nationwide. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.2  CB  replied to  devangelical @11.1.1    4 years ago

And there exist the implied insult to seniors of all kinds. We are opening the door and letting the virus 'out' into the pastures. . . . You, seniors! Can be purged by this a coronavirus if you are not so equipped for herd immunity.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
11.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @11    4 years ago

....and now Chinese.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

but but Trump....

For four years we've been bombarded with how terrible a person Trump  is and how unfit he was for office, now the Biden cheerleaders are happy to cite him as an example.  Biden's the same as Trump, and suddenly that's okay.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
12.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    4 years ago

Sean,

What about all the hit pieces about Biden? This is one where white people get faux outrage. We all know that Biden's comment was totally inappropriate, and yes but Trump, because you can't accept the same bad behavior while trying to denounce the other. That is political hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
12.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1    4 years ago
What about all the hit pieces about Biden

He said this barely  24 hour ago. It's not a "hit piece" just because it's critical of Biden.  

what's funny is how often, when  Biden is criticized, you drag up a  story  from months or years ago about Trump to play the "what about" card.  This isn't a fresh story. There's no reason for it be brought today up except to deflect attention from actual news about Biden.  

The next time Trump lies, should a Trump supporter seed an old article pointing out how Biden lied about his family being killed by a drunk driver? Or getting caught plagiarizing in law school? Or plagiarizing speeches during his former campaigns for the Presidency?  Is that what this site is about?

because you can't accept the same bad behavior while trying to denounce the other. That is political hypocrisy. 

Seems to be what you've been doing with Biden for quite a while now.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
12.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.1.1    4 years ago
He said this barely  24 hour ago. It's not a "hit piece" just because it's critical of Biden.  

Reread my opening comments. I was critical about Biden too. 

what's funny is how often, when  Biden is criticized, you drag up a  story  from months or years ago about Trump to play the "what about" card.  This isn't a fresh story. There's no reason for it be brought today up except to deflect attention from actual news about Biden.  

It doesn't matter how old a story is, if Trump is tweeting about it, while making similar remarks within his presidency. That is what I originally wrote about. 

because you can't accept the same bad behavior while trying to denounce the other. That is political hypocrisy.  Seems to be what you've been doing with Biden for quite a while now.  

No it is not. It would be if I was making excuses for Biden's behavior, but clearly in my article I didn't. But the President and other members of his party can't be outraged by something Trump has done himself, within his presidency. It would only be hypocrisy if I gave Biden a pass, which I didn't do.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1.3  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1.2    4 years ago

A conservative's out there somewhere 'twisting in the wind' for Donald's sake. If poetry is any good, a new Trump lie or misstatement will be thrown on the pile in three, two, on—. . . .

Biden will have apologized; it will have been accepted; but, Trump will see the need to lie and misstate and it will not be accepted by the general public. . . .

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.2  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    4 years ago
Biden's the same as Trump

In somebody's shattered dreams. And with what lens? Start reviewing Trump lies and misleading statements in office. Those lies are not gaffes. False equivalency.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.3  CB  replied to  Sean Treacy @12    4 years ago
For four years we've been bombarded with how terrible a person Trump  is and how unfit he was for office

Deny you would have Trump be anybody other than what he is as president. Go ahead, make me a list here of the differences in this Trump and your alternative Trump:

  1. Here.
  2. Here.

You can try to equivocate. You can try to crucify Biden. It still remains: There is little to no significant 'daylight' shining between you and Trump. He is a dream president who you are forbidden to criticize publicly in any way that matters. I just proved it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
14  Tacos!    4 years ago
I am a Jew so I can talk about this.

You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality. You also don't get to speak for everyone else with that quality. And you don't exclude other people from commenting.

Your experience as a Jew, as black, or whatever, might have given you opportunity to for relevant experience you can speak to, but this stuff about "You're not black/jewish/whatever, so you can't talk" is just a way to shut people up who might say something you disagree with.

Sites like this invite comments from all kinds of people on all kinds of subjects. Or do they?

To the topic:

People may not like this, but there is a certain logic in suggesting that some people - and I must stress "some" - within a certain group (e.g. black, jewish, laborers, military, elderly, etc.) might have certain priorities in an election and that those priorities might determine their votes. That's fair.

But you could have all of those categories in a single person. If so, almost anything could be driving your vote. Everyone has to forego something they might want when they vote. Everyone has different priorities, but those priorities aren't the same for all members of all groups.

And that's kind of where Trump was going when he said what he did about jews. He didn't say "you're not jewish if you don't vote for me." He said voting for Democrats showed lack of knowledge or disloyalty. That, at least, invites debate. Reasonable people can disagree about whether American jews should be politically pro-israel (or pro- a certain regime in Israel, or pro-a certain policy) or not. But he didn't say "you can't be a jew."

Biden said that if you might not vote for him, "you ain't black." That attacks a person's identity directly, so I can see why some people would be particularly offended.

I find it interesting that people are in the position of saying "But Trump did the same thing only worse." That's a pretty sorry state of affairs, isn't it? Trump was supposed to be so clearly and obviously unfit for office because he's completely unlike anyone else. But that's not true, it seems.

It turns out he may be only arguably slightly worse than the alternative and in the same ways. Virtually everything Trump is criticized for can be found in Biden. But we're supposed to be inspired to vote for Biden because he may do these bad things slightly less often?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
14.1  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 years ago
You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality.

In a sense one does have such permission.   Society (our society at least) holds that an individual of a particular demographic has the right to speak (with some granted authority) on that demographic.   An indigenous individual (aka Native American) implicitly (through our culture) has the right to speak of indigenous people, practices, etc.   An African American (aka person of color) has the right to speak of their history, culture, etc.   Jews have the right to opine on their ethnicity, religious views, history, etc.  That is, we grant credibility (to some degree) to each individual when speaking of an aspect of their culture, history, etc.

You also don't get to speak for everyone else with that quality. And you don't exclude other people from commenting.

Of course not.   Nobody can speak for everyone else.   But one can put forth one's opinion on fellows in the cultural aspect in question.   A Cherokee certainly has the right to speak of what s/he holds as true for Cherokees in general.   That is not necessarily speaking for everyone else;  it may simply be an opinion on a group coming from a member of that group.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @14.1    4 years ago

Well said Tig. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
14.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  TᵢG @14.1    4 years ago

What she jrSmiley_115_smiley_image.png said.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @14.1.2    4 years ago

LMAO!!!!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 years ago

Tacos,

Both those statements question a person's identity if they don't vote for a specific party. It is just that plain and simple. Anyone trying to say that it is different is not being honest about those comments.  

You as a person who is not black or Jewish can talk about it, but to say you get the outrage to those comments you don't get to do. Personally I feel both comments suck, but I can't claim to know how black people feel and you can't get to tell me as a Jewish person how I feel. 

You get to have a discussion among yourselves and hopefully you can be honest that both comments should have never been said. 

It really is that simple.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
14.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.2    4 years ago
It is just that plain and simple. Anyone trying to say that it is different is not being honest

It's not that plain and simple, and you don't get to say they aren't being honest any more than Biden gets to say they aren't black. If someone says different from you, it doesn't mean they are dishonest. It means they disagree with you.

I can't claim to know how black people feel and you can't get to tell me as a Jewish person how I feel. 

No one in either scenario (Trump or Biden) was trying to tell people how they feel. They were trying to tell them how they should feel. Very different. Trying to convince people that they should prioritize certain interests and vote on those priorities is basic politics.

to say you get the outrage to those comments you don't get to do

I'm sorry, but you just don't get to police the opinions people have. People are entitled to their feelings and opinions on any topic, no matter who they are.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @14.2.1    4 years ago
It's not that plain and simple, and you don't get to say they aren't being honest any more than Biden gets to say they aren't black. If someone says different from you, it doesn't mean they are dishonest. It means they disagree with you.

Of course they are not being honest. Being honest is being able to see two people doing the same thing and calling them out for it. It's not a matter of seeing things differently. It is there in black and white. A fact. If I look up at the sky and say it is blue, and someone else says otherwise, it is not an opinion to be disagreed with.

No one in either scenario (Trump or Biden) was trying to tell people how they feel. They were trying to tell them how theyshouldfeel. Very different. Trying to convince people that they should prioritize certain interests and vote on those priorities is basic politics.

People who have no shared experiences with you are trying to tell you how to feel and act, and that isn't arrogance? I'm sorry but I don't see how that is basic politics.

to say you get the outrage to those comments you don't get to do I'm sorry, but you just don't get to police the opinions people have. People are entitled to their feelings and opinions on any topic, no matter who they are.

OK let me rephrase. You can have any opinion you like, on any topic, but it will hold little to no weight than those it actually affects. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
14.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 years ago

you can't be, even close to serious, we hope....

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
14.4  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 years ago
You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality.

Sure you do, and you are doing it again...jrSmiley_85_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
14.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14    4 years ago

Oh, yes, a Jew CAN talk about something that might affect Jews, and just maybe the Jew's opinion might well be more valid because of the lifetime experiences that the Jew has had.  That is why, in the movie Gentleman's Agreement, the opinion of Dave Goldman (John Garfield) of what a Jew has experienced was taken seriously, and Phil Green (Gregory Peck) had to pretend to be a Jew in order to understand what a Jew experiences that differs from what a gentile would even comprehend.  When a Jew sees a sign that says "No Dogs or Jews Allowed", it has a little more effect on a Jew than it would have on a gentile, don't you think?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
14.5.1  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5    4 years ago
a Jew CAN talk about something that might affect Jews

Never said they couldn't. Don't even know why I would.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
14.5.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.1    4 years ago
"You don't get special permission (from where exactly anyway?) to talk about a subject because of some qualifying ethnicity or other quality."

Let's put it this way, they don't need "special permission" to be in a position of greater knowledge of their ethnicity or religion or race, and more sensitivity concerning it, than others.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
14.5.3  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5.2    4 years ago

I have had two basic problems with the policing of commentary. 

First, I object to the notion that if you aren't of a certain ancestry or ethnicity, you shouldn't comment on the topic. In a public forum, everyone gets to comment. If you want to have a private club or group where only people you get to talk, then set that up.

Second, is the notion that simply because you do possess that ancestry or ethnicity, you get to say that your opinion is more valid than the opinion of others.

they don't need "special permission" to be in a position of greater knowledge of their ethnicity or religion or race, and more sensitivity concerning it, than others

That's fine. You still have to argue it, though. You don't get to claim expertise solely on the basis of ethnicity. You can be Jewish or black and still not have lived life experiences relevant to generating the expertise you claim. You don't "know stuff" just because you're Jewish or Black.

So instead of trying to shut people up by citing your ethnicity, instead making a compelling argument of persuasion by citing and describing your experience.

There is irony - and hypocrisy - in this problem. A person might reasonably insist that they shouldn't be discriminated against because of their ethnicity, and I would support that. But here, a person is saying they should get special treatment because of their ethnicity. That I will not support.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
14.5.4  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.3    4 years ago
I object to the notion that if you aren't of a certain ancestry or ethnicity, you shouldn't comment on the topic.

I would object to that too.   We all have the right to comment on anything.  

Second, is the notion that simply because you do possess that ancestry or ethnicity, you get to say that your opinion is more valid than the opinion of others.

Society (our culture) grants a slight authority for people to speak of their own demographic.   You, for example, might hold that you are better informed about church activities than an individual who does not attend services.

So instead of trying to shut people up by citing your ethnicity, instead making a compelling argument of persuasion by citing and describing your experience.

Censorship is definitely not the way to go.   Really it just boils down to each interlocutor making a thoughtful argument based on facts and reason.   But, I will repeat, if the discussion topic is Judaism I personally will presume that my Jewish interlocutor might be more familiar with the topic and grant some small level of deference.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
14.5.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.3    4 years ago

Did I say only "certain" people were entitled to comment?  One gets expertise from experience, no matter their ethnicity or religion, and I think a Jewish kid gets a certain experience from being called a "dirty Jew" and beaten up, that a gentile might not experience.  Nobody asked for "special treatment", and what YOUR comment indicates is that YOU have a sensitivity that you are criticizing others for having. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
14.5.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.1    4 years ago
"First, I object to the notion that if you aren't of a certain ancestry or ethnicity, you shouldn't comment on the topic."

Who said you shouldn't comment?  

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
14.5.7  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5.5    4 years ago
Did I say only "certain" people were entitled to comment?

No, the writer of the seed is the one who made the comments that led to this line of discussion.

what YOUR comment indicates

It's evident that you may have misunderstood the thread.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
14.5.8  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.5.6    4 years ago
Who said you shouldn't comment?  

The author. I'll quote the passages that triggered me:

I am a Jew so I can talk about this.

He has no idea of what the Jewish community has endured over the centuries. 

So please, save the faux outrage at Biden if you are a white person. It's not for you to say. Only the black community can discuss this. You should all be quiet right now.
 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.5.9  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @14.5.8    4 years ago

I obviously meant for this to be discussed. Look at how many comments there are here. 

If you have something to say, then say it. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
16  KDMichigan    4 years ago

I love how deep you dig as a 'Indie' to support this guy. Talk about a institutionalized politician. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
16.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @16    4 years ago

He needs to be institutionalized.  He’s not all there.  He’s an empty suit, a complete puppet.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1    4 years ago
He needs to be institutionalized.  He’s not all there. 

Funny, I feel the same way about Trump.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
16.1.2  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1    4 years ago

Trump won't let us not experience him not being here. He simply won't shut up—daily. That man needs an understanding about boundaries, inclusion, and proper saturation.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
16.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.1    4 years ago
Funny, I feel the same way about Trump.

Most definitely right. Biden cannot begin to compare to the extreme lack of sanity that afflicts Trump. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
16.1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @16.1.2    4 years ago

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CB
Professor Principal
16.1.5  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1.4    4 years ago

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CB
Professor Principal
16.1.6  CB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @16.1.4    4 years ago

Yes! We already know there is no daylight between Donald Trump and Trump conservatives - which you are. When we see Trump we see you and vice-versa.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
16.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @16.1.5    4 years ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  CB @16.1.5    4 years ago

That is also a clear admission of willful intent to taunt;  the opposite of thoughtful discourse.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.8    4 years ago

It is defined that way isn't it?  Maybe not the ideal word. I would have chosen convert. That might even imply that the modern version of liberals could be open enough to reasonable persuasion. Oh, that is a stretch!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.9    4 years ago
It is defined that way isn't it?  Maybe not the ideal word. I would have chosen convert.

Which word are you referring to:  inflict?   If so, then I think it is indeed futile to attempt to convert liberals to be Trump supporters.   Just as it is futile to convert Trump supporters to vote for a liberal/progressive.

So if someone is here to:

HA @16.1.4We intend to inflict him upon you all 24/7/365 for 4 2/3 more years!  

That is an admission of intent to simply taunt.  

It would be much better to engage in thoughtful, civil discourse (with harsh disagreement) rather than taunt.   Do you agree?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.10    4 years ago
Which word are you referring to:  inflict?

Clearly!


That is an admission of intent to simply taunt.  

Then you didn't read Maybe not the ideal word. ?



Do you agree?

Better, yet thus far not very effective.

Do you agree?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.11    4 years ago
Then you didn't read Maybe not the ideal word. ?

Why do you say that?   I read your entire comment and replied accordingly.  HA used the word 'taunt'.   Your preference of 'convert' does not change what he wrote.

Do you agree?

Yes, people seem to focus more on attacking each other personally, making use of intellectually dishonest tactics and being jerks than engaging in thoughtful discourse.   And it is possible to disagree harshly and not engage in such practices.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.13  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.11    4 years ago

Perhaps consider that statements such as these are not especially conducive to thoughtful, civil discourse.

That might even imply that the modern version of liberals could be open enough to reasonable persuasion. Oh, that is a stretch!

Insults rarely promote civility.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.12    4 years ago
Why do you say that? 

Because I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. I think he may have wanted to rephrase that. We all sometimes react quickly to a lot of provocation.


 And it is possible to disagree harshly and not engage in such practices.

It is a shame we don't see it more often. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.13    4 years ago
Insults rarely promote civility.

What we see on these pages coming from progressives (liberalism's replacement) fail to promote civility. You can't be uncivil and expect your opponent to be a gentleman. I know that seems to be the standard. It's a double standard!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.16  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.15    4 years ago

Frankly, we see it from conservatives, too.  It was right there in your comment.

To insult liberals (or progressives), but ignore the same behavior from conservatives, and engage in it oneself, is a double standard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.16    4 years ago
Frankly, we see it from conservatives, too. 

Really?  I don't see Conservatives calling people "racists" or "bigots" or "deplorables" or "clingers", do you?

How about entering into any & every conversation and calling the President a "crook?"

Are you sure, Sandra?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.14    4 years ago
Because I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt. I think he may have wanted to rephrase that. We all sometimes react quickly to a lot of provocation.

Me too.   So if HA were to come back and state that he did not mean that as a threat to taunt (and offered his true intent) I would accept that (until proven otherwise).   I make this statement quite a bit here on NT.   That is, when someone authors a comment one should give the author the means to correct misinterpretation.  If the correction is made upfront (after the misinterpretation) then the author's intent should be accepted.

But it is impractical to try to verify intent on every comment.   Indeed, when one offers a paraphrase and asks if that is what was meant, the response is typically snark.   So not only is it awkward and redundant, it is (it would seem) counterproductive.

Ergo, my approach is to read the words as written — plain reading of English and go with that unless the author clarifies.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.20  Vic Eldred  replied to    4 years ago
Virtue signaling from the left has become a art forum and claiming a double standard by some on the left is laughable. 

You bet!  It is we who have the moral high ground.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.21  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.20    4 years ago

Some liberals might take that to mean that you consider them less moral than yourself.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.18    4 years ago

I've seen quite a few people calling Biden racist, and accusing the Democratic Party of being racist.

The President is fair game (as is Biden).

To insult liberals or progressives as a group is to insult the ones with whom one may be conversing.  If I were to insult all conservatives, I would not expect civility in return.  I therefore do not insult all conservatives.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.19    4 years ago
  That is, when someone authors a comment one should give the author the means to correct misinterpretation. 

In that regard, I have thought about that 10 minute gap we are given to correct a statement or spelling etc. Some use it for other reasons, but it is for the problem we are talking about that I think the ten minutes is a good idea. Emotion sometimes gets the better of us. I know I'm guilty of that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.22    4 years ago
I've seen quite a few people calling Biden racist, and accusing the Democratic Party of being racist.

You mean Biden just recently?  Like right on this very topic?  Wouldn't that be debatable?

Saying that blacks aren't black unless they vote for democrats?


The President is fair game (as is Biden).

Even when Biden isn't the topic?  Suppose everytime I came on I called Biden a senile moron - in every seed?


To insult liberals or progressives as a group is to insult the ones with whom one may be conversing. 

The day when "Trump supporters" are not defamed as a group on here is the day I'll consider offering progressives the same level of decency.


 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

Biden will likely never see a word posted here, either.  Should we therefore assume that any insult to him (or Hillary, or Obama) are insults aimed at their supporters?

Or are they fair game, while Trump is somehow not?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.28  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @16.1.26    4 years ago
To insult liberals or progressives as a group is to insult the ones with whom one may be conversing. 

I think we used to have auto spell check on NV. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.29  TᵢG  replied to    4 years ago
You know as well as I most of the attacks on Trump are mained [aimed] at the people that voted for him or NT members since Trump will never see a word posted here.

And what is your opinion regarding the attacks on Biden (and before that, the attacks on Sanders, Bloomberg, et. al.)?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.1.30  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    4 years ago
You know as well as I most of the attacks on Trump are mained at the people that voted for him or NT members since Trump will never see a word posted here.

But we get about 2000 visitors a day reading our articles. It makes a difference to them and that is who these discussions are for. They should never be to troll the other members. 

I just check and 32 nonmembers are reading this article. 

The point of me pointing this out, is to remind our members to always put forward their best argument. It is not so much for the members as it is for those who read here but don't comment. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.31  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.27    4 years ago
Or are they fair game, while Trump is somehow not?

Obviously, you have that backwards. The die has been cast, so to speak. For too long, people were allowed to go on tirades over Trump. They did it constantly and on every seed. Now you have people like me that will not forget it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.30    4 years ago

Perrie, you have the right answer.  


Let us always keep that in mind.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16.1.33  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.30    4 years ago

I agree.   Be thoughtful and make a case supported by facts and reason.   Most people recognize intellectual dishonesty and other ugly tactics.   But beyond that, debate tactics (games) are just noise.   They take away from the content value of the site.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.34  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.25    4 years ago
You mean Biden just recently?  Like right on this very topic?

@5.1.29

Don't worry Joe's carefully selecting a VP pick to hide his racism.
Saying that blacks aren't black unless they vote for democrats?

Do you see me defending that?

Even when Biden isn't the topic?

Please, Vic.  How often do we see an article in which Trump is the topic, but we get "but Obama" or "but Hillary would have been worse" in response?

The day when "Trump supporters" are not defamed as a group on here is the day I'll consider offering progressives the same level of decency.

So you insult, because they insult, but also claim to promote civility.  How does that work, exactly?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.1.36  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.25    4 years ago

Vic, 

This is my article. I actually wrote it. And the fact that you are kind of missing the point is disturbing to me. 

Look, I said in the opening that Biden was wrong for saying that. But on the other hand, you can't get all upset about it, it President Trump makes remarks like that, too. The only people who get to be upset about this are the people who it affects and it doesn't affect you. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.1.37  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.33    4 years ago
But beyond that, debate tactics (games) are just noise.   They take away from the content value of the site.

I totally agree and it really bothers me.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.38  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @16.1.31    4 years ago
For too long, people were allowed to go on tirades over Trump. They did it constantly and on every seed. Now you have people like me that will not forget it.

Of course they're allowed to go on tirades.  It's a discussion forum focused on politics.  What else would you expect?  Why do you take insults against Trump personally, but think that supporters of other politicians should not take insults against those politicians personally?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.1.39  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    4 years ago

MUVA,

The fact that you don't see that the attacks go both ways just amazes me. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.40  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago
The sheer amount of attacks on Trump supporters compared to that of the slime you mentioned is laughable.

Attacks on Trump are not attacks on his supporters, although those occur as well.  You really should learn to separate the two, and focus on the ones that are actually a problem (attacks on his supporters), rather than those which are not (attacks on Trump himself, which are not insulting to those with whom one is conversing).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.42  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @16.1.36    4 years ago
This is my article.

I know that.


And the fact that you are kind of missing the point is disturbing to me. 

I thought your point was it is hypocritical to attack Biden for his "you ain't black" comment without attacking Trump for his "Jews voting against themselves" remarks?
I am only pointing out that it is also hypocritical to make such a point only when Biden is the one under attack. Would you do the same for Trump?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Participates
16.1.45  KDMichigan  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.8    4 years ago
That is also a clear admission of willful intent to taunt;  the opposite of thoughtful discourse.

The fact that you are responding to a comment with a willful intent to taunt is Hillaryious. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
16.1.46  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.38    4 years ago
What else would you expect? 

I'd expect:

1) people to speak to seeds or articles. If I write an article on let's say "ballot harvesting", I don't expect nor want somebody coming on to simply call the President a name.

2) When the article does involve the President, I would expect people to have some fact based commentary beyond the President is "a scumbag."

3) I would expect that after being subjected to such vitriol a Trump supporter gets to respond in kind without being deleted. If you allow what I consider trolling, you really have no moral right to ticket the person who has been trolled. 


Why do you take insults against Trump personally, but think that supporters of other politicians should not take insults against those politicians personally?

I think you might be getting it. If I slammed Obama all day long, I would expect you to rail against Trump. Trolling begets more trolling!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
16.1.47  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @16.1.33    4 years ago

Trump posted this photo on his social media Saturday.

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What kind of "thoughtful" response would you recommend? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.1.49  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.1.48    4 years ago

OK everyone, this has gone way off topic into Meta. Please stop or all comments will be removed. Thank you. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @16    4 years ago

OK, what makes an independent is being able to vote across party lines. I would prefer 3 or more parties but our two-party system has that locked up. I am sure you have voted for institutionalized politicians prior to Trump, since he is an anomaly. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.2.1    4 years ago
In all fairness I am an independent. I'd vote for a democrat if they could legalize cocaine and ecstasy and give me a check so I could sit on my couch and grow a gut while you pay for it.

I'm pretty sure with that stereotype, that comment would indicate that you are a conservative, but other's mileage may vary. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
16.2.4  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.2.3    4 years ago

Was that supposed to be a jab at NY? Not biting.

Most states have it written into their constitutions that they must have a balanced budget, and NY does to, and we do it. 

I think you are getting confused with state debt. That is a whole different animal. Almost every state has debt. 

Many state balanced-budget practices appear to have been developed from a limit on state debt by judicial interpretation or political consensus. The compilers have not attempted to trace judicial interpretation, but have included the debt-limitation language when state officials recommended doing so or when there was no other obvious constitutional or statutory source for the requirement. State constitutions as late as the Alaska State Constitution of 1956 allow the use of debt "for the purpose of repelling invasion, suppressing insurrection, defending the State in war...," in the words of the Alaska constitution.

Here is a chart by state. It is interactive. 

And again:

This is off topic. No more off topic comment. Please stop devolving into off topic comments. They will be removed. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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16.2.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Release The Kraken @16.2.3    4 years ago

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1stwarrior
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17  1stwarrior    4 years ago

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Carry on.

[Take it to Metafied]

 
 
 
Sparty On
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18  Sparty On    4 years ago

Progressive, partisan politics has brought much of this on.    Constantly attempting to force us into neat little voting blocks they can count on.     It’s FUBAR, very FUBAR.

You see it all the time here.     Conservatives aren’t as smart as liberals or liberals are all just bleeding hearts, etc, etc.    To me it usually boils down to one thing.

Haters gotta hate.    Usually it’s the small, petty little mind that uses these tactics.    Or the politician trying to manipulate your vote.

As far as Trumps comment on Jews here, the context was clearly towards support of the Jewish state and railing on those who didn’t support it.     Specifically comments made by some squad members and those who support some of the anti-Semitic rhetoric coming from them.     He clearly wasn’t talking to you Perrie.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
18.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @18    4 years ago

"i think any Jewish people, that vote for a Democrat, shows a total lack of knowledge, or great disloyalty", or something pretty close, as quote is to the best of my recollection.

Sounds to me like Trump thinks Jewish people are not intelligent enough to think for themselves, or he considers them disloyal to their Religion andor Heritage, if they could/would be so bold as to vote Democratic , when the vast majority of Jews in this country Are, and Already Vote, Democratic, so they aren't very bright according to Trump. Isn't Trumps' bud set to go on trial today in Israel ?

on anothr note, Happy Memorial Day to you and ALL THOSE ON NEWSTALKERS THAT SERVED.

Thank you all, for your Service

We've obviously got slightly different views on maybe a couple of things, but i appreciate your Service, and all those that have Served, especially, those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, they are indeed worthy of our RESPECT, today, and every day.   Thank YOU Vets!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
18.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @18.1    4 years ago

Appreciate the sentiment ig, much thx.    Now I say this with no I’ll intent at all but for informational purposes only.

Memorial day is for the fallen not the living.     Show those folks your appreciation on this day, go to a service if you can but a kind thought of appreciation is all it really takes.    Definitely.

Living Vets day is November 11th.     Marines like me tend to be crazy about Nov 10th as well ..... our birthday.

Thanking living Vets is great any day and is appreciated but I do prefer the attention goes we’re it belongs for this holiday.    To those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

Thanks again though, it is appreciated.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
18.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @18.1.1    4 years ago

Thanks again though, it is appreciated.

and i fully appreciate the correction on my clumsy correspondence, but hey, it's what i do.

Memorial Day, should sorta say what you did,

so to all of our fallen hero's, i am the one drinkin to, tres amigos put forth Whiskey, and i'll DRINK till i have to take the FIFTH, cause i have a Sixth Sense come the Seventh Day, Ate daze a weak in the Octagon of life, like a malignancy now benign, Ten X's more powerful than one, but add X, and your two shy of a bakers that dozen preheat his gross , cause it would be

lucky, if thirteen times out of four teens they listened to the fifteen with the permit to blow out sixteen candles on their seventeenth birth right where eight teens are required to do what three used to accomplish before oh 1900  ours or so it

is a given, but today ain't for the livin, so 

God Bless our Fallen,

cause you never know, when it will be our next heroes calling,

but i'm still gonna be wrong, and call all who've served ,  heroes in one way or anothers',

thank you all, fathers, sisters, mothers, brothers

Awoman   Amen

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
18.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @18.1.2    4 years ago

It’s all good.    The fallen do deserve all the attention on MD and every day really but this day is specifically theirs.    Thanking a Vet any day works as well.

Try to remember the lucky ones of us still taking sustenance on Nov 11th and if you to want piss off the other branches, wish a Marine a happy birthday on Nov 10th.    Most in the other branches don't have a clue when theirs is.    You’ll have a hard time finding a Marine who doesn’t know that.

Oorah!

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @18    4 years ago

I for one get sick of the, well your candidate did this, well your candidate did this...

People making excuses or ignoring flaws in their own horse while attacking for the same in another.

I always think, is this the best we can do? It is no longer about qualifications but showmanship.

It is all just pandering. Take donald and his decree that churches are essential services. Do I really think he cares about churches or the people that attend them? Hell no, just pandering to a demographic to lock in a vote.

I will just say, Biden may at times be a dumbass, but I would take that any day over a complete disgusting human being.

I would also take four years of relative calm and not getting much done than what we have now. The withdraw from any treaties we may have, the talk of restarting nuclear testing, the destruction of pollution controls, talk of more tax breaks for the wealthy, the talk of cutting social services...

I would definitely be happy not having to hear the leader of the free world calling people names, attacking his fellow countrymen (in other countries) and just acting like a complete asshole. I never in my life thought we would have a president that acts like a toddler, cannot take any criticism and whose only strong suit is putting down others on a social media platform.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
18.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @18.2    4 years ago

And there it is.    It always becomes all about Trump for some.    

Trump has no filter.    Sometimes that’s a flaw, others it’s not.  The people who will say it is always a flaw are a huge part of the problem.    Specifically, the mass media and resist movement.    The clear bias being practiced by some in those groups is about as egregious as it can get.    The negative reporting against Trump has been persistent and copious.    A constant barrage if you will.

To put the entire blame for the negative nature of politics today on Trump’s inability to lie well like typical politicians, is disingenuous as hell imo.    I too wish some of his comments weren’t so sophomoric but in another breath I find it refreshing that he’s not lying to us like most politicians do regularly.     Most lie their asses off nonstop.    Not Trump, he thinks it and it comes squirting out without supposition for the most part.

Could he be more “Presidential?”    No doubt.     Should that be an excuse to attack him relentlessly and fan the fires of this political divide in an attempt to get rid of a duly elected POTUS?    Nope, not even ....

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.2  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 years ago

And yet quick to defend him. Do you actually think donald never lies? You actually think because he has no filter he is telling the truth? That is comical.

To act like poor donald is attacked relentlessly for no apparent reason is ignoring the ire he brings on himself.

Having no filter is not an excuse as some are trying to make it. That is akin to saying, well don't pay attention to my kid and his potty mouth. We taught him to be a free spirit.

Ridiculous.

I notice you get upset about him being attacked yet completely ignore all the attacks he makes himself.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 years ago
And there it is.    It always becomes all about Trump for some.  

The Stupid thing about this article is.....Joey Boy coughs up "Racist" rants while running for President and the "Left" finds it to just be Just a Joe Thingy (Alzheimer's can do that to folks Ya know), and then the  "Left" tells themselves they MUST find something they find "Racist" by Trump, 10, 20 or 30 or so years ago, while he was still in "Private" practice. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

That should vindicate the Democrats Presidential Pick. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

The "Media Whores" are sure great at digging up "Old Stuff", when they don't like someone. Don't worry though.....they "Like Joey", so they won't be able to find …… ANYTHING about ANYTHING on Joey ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
18.2.4  Sparty On  replied to  Ender @18.2.2    4 years ago

Your response is more emotion than logic.    Clearly I’m not the one who is upset here.

My comment clearly had some criticism for Trump but because I wasn’t frothing at mouth with anger towards him, I guess you didn’t notice that.

Sad.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
18.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 years ago

I know.    

One wonders if the disingenuousness is purposeful or if they can really be that obtuse.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.6  It Is ME  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.5    4 years ago
purposeful

jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.7  Ender  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.4    4 years ago

And you are going to ignore everything I said and dismiss it as 'being emotional'.

I am not upset, just amazed at what people can close their eyes to.

As far as him being attacked, that is part of his shtick. He attacks people and then when they attack back he claims victim. Really odd and sad that people cannot see this.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.8  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 years ago

And do you think you are not falling into political hands?

You are taking one statement and acting like it is the end all be all of totality.

Meanwhile turning a blind eye, if not making excuses to the same in ones own.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.9  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.8    4 years ago
You are taking one statement and acting like it is the end all be all of totality.

But the "Left" ALWAYS tells us …… That's just Joe !

Seems to me...… "That's Just Joe"  would mean he's done this for YEARS, not just this one time !

You can only Excuse a Habitual Racist and a woman toucher for so long …… Right ?

Joe = Once you go White Dem.....you should never go back …. or one is not "Black" ?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.10  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.9    4 years ago

I know you have to be smart enough to know the difference between gaffs of different topics or saying the same thing over and over...

You can only Excuse a Habitual Racist and a woman toucher for so long

Yet again, you accept these things in your own...

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.11  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.10    4 years ago
I know you have to be smart enough to know the difference between gaffs of different topics or saying the same thing over and over...

I do !

Joe says the same stupid shit thing, over and over.

Now what ?

At least he loves 7-11 "Dot Heads". jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.12  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.11    4 years ago

And donald says the same stupid shit over and over.

So now we get to decide and I think we know where we both stand.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.13  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.12    4 years ago
And donald says the same stupid shit over and over.

Trump talks like Biden ?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.14  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.13    4 years ago

Maybe Biden should start talking like donald.

Seems his followers love it.

Oh I forgot. Only donald is allowed to talk trash. Everyone else would be condemned for it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
18.2.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @18.2.14    4 years ago

Oh I forgot. Only donald is allowed to talk trash. Everyone else would be condemned for it.

is not that, the damn truth

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.16  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.14    4 years ago
Maybe Biden should start talking like donald. Seems his followers love it.

Tuning his racism down would work better for you ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

Trumps better than Joe ?

"Oh I forgot. Only donald is allowed to talk trash."

Haven't heard Trump talk Trash About a "Race".....have you ?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.17  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.16    4 years ago

Inane questions abound?

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.18  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.17    4 years ago
Inane questions abound?

Reality ?

384

Still waiting to "See" a link to an actual Trump Racist Comment" !

"Illegal" isn't a "Race. jrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.19  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 years ago

Look everyone puts their foot in their mouth sometimes. But if you are going to accept it from one, you have to accept it from all.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.20  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 years ago
The Stupid thing about this article is.....Joey Boy coughs up "Racist" rants while running for President and the "Left" finds it to just be Just a Joe Thingy (Alzheimer's can do that to folks Ya know), and then the  "Left" tells themselves they MUST find something they find "Racist" by Trump, 10, 20 or 30 or so years ago, while he was still in "Private" practice.

I am the one who wrote this article. I am not "Left". I didn't give Biden a pass for his comment. But Trump who made the same kind of comment doesn't get a pass either. And please do not put words in my mouth. The word "Racist" was not said in that article. And btw, it doesn't matter how long ago someone made a comment, it was still made. 

And please be careful who you are calling a media whore, since I am the one who wrote the article. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.21  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.19    4 years ago
Look everyone puts their foot in their mouth sometimes. But if you are going to accept it from one, you have to accept it from all.

Really ?

Joe Biden = 36 years gaffing in politics

Donald Trump = 3.5 Years Gaffing? in Politics !

36 > 3.5

Shouldn't Trump be the one that you should except this "Foot-In-Mouth" issue From ?

The 36 years of "Accepting Joe", should, by now, make one Trump acceptable !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.22  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.11    4 years ago
Joe says the same stupid shit thing, over and over.

And so does Trump, but that doesn't bother you. Both bother me. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.23  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.18    4 years ago

Why should I? Anything would be dismissed. Likely falling on deaf ears but....

The Brookings Cafeteria podcast last week   discussed the role President Trump’s racist rhetoric has played in encouraging violence in America. Predictably, some podcast listeners responded skeptically on Twitter, doubting the association between Trump and hateful behavior. It would be naïve to think that data will change many individuals’ minds on this topic, but nonetheless, there is substantial evidence that Trump has encouraged racism and benefitted politically from it.

First, Donald Trump’s support in the 2016 campaign was clearly driven by racism, sexism, and xenophobia. While some observers  have explained Trump’s success as a result of economic anxiety, the data demonstrate  that anti-immigrant sentiment , racism, and sexism are much more strongly related to support for Trump. Trump’s much-discussed vote advantage with non-college-educated whites is misleading; when accounting for racism and sexism, the education gap among whites in the 2016 election returns to the typical levels of previous elections since 2000. Trump did not do especially well with non-college-educated whites, compared to other Republicans. He did especially well with white people who express sexist views about women and who deny racism exists.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.24  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.16    4 years ago

Trump has. You want to ignore it and focus on Biden and then claim to be fair. Being fair is being able to acknowledge that. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.25  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.18    4 years ago

Actually read my article. It is in there. I don't think you want me to post an actual link to his history of racist comments. It would not bode well for you and that was not the point of my article. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.26  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.22    4 years ago
And so does Trump, but that doesn't bother you.

Joe is ALWAYS just a "Stand in" (ever wonder why?). Trump doesn't say anything more than "WE" ALL say...even if under ALL our breaths. If you "Think" otherwise....you're only fooling yourself, thus the NEED for Joe ! He's a "Fool" !

"Politically Pandering" over the Decades ….. "Nicey Talk" if you will.....has gotten us nothing but "The Need for a Trump" type as president. If things were sooooo GREAT, Hillary would be President !

When it gets to the point that a "Politician" wears the "Kissy Ring", and people agree they'll kiss it...… Thus Trump ! 

Joe Biden = "I don't work for you" !

BULLSHIT !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.27  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.21    4 years ago

It doesn't matter that Trump is new to politics, he had a life in the public domain and a lifetime of his comments count. His actions count. Same for Biden. See how that works?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.28  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.26    4 years ago

OK do not bring Hillary into this discussion. That is nothing more than a strawman.

You want to pretend that Trump's comment get a pass because he was not "Political" but he shouldn't. He has spent his life in the public spotlight, and once you do that, everything you do is on the table. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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18.2.29  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.27    4 years ago
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It Is ME
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18.2.30  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.28    4 years ago
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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.31  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.29    4 years ago

His comment was wrong. But you seem to forgive Trump for the same kind of comment. 

The rest of your comment is off topic. 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.32  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.29    4 years ago
he isn't a "Newbie"

After four years of donald, neither is he.

Plus, I don't live in the city yet I knew of him for decades. He has always put himself in the spotlight.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.33  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @18.2.32    4 years ago
After four years of donald, neither is he.

36 > 4 ..…. EVERY TIME !

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
18.2.34  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.31    4 years ago
His comment was wrong. But you seem to forgive Trump for the same kind of comment. 

No !

I look at "When" comments are made. Biden's running for President with his comments..... Trump wasn't, and ISN'T !

"The rest of your comment is off topic. "

YOUR reasoning ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.2.35  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.34    4 years ago
I look at "When" comments are made. Biden's running for President with his comments..... Trump wasn't, and ISN'T !

It doesn't matter when as long as it is about the office. Trump made one while he was president and Biden made one when he was running. They were both inappropriate and neither should be tolerated.   

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18.2.36  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.2.35    4 years ago

On Saturday President* Trump posted something on HIS tweeter feed that referred to Hillary Clinton as a "skank" and another one that referred to Nancy Pelosi as a drunk with bad dentures and included a fake photo of Pelosi with two sets of eyebrows on each eye. 

It goes without saying this is intolerable behavior from the president of the United States.  Why is it do you think that so few people care that Trump has made our country into a laughingstock? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
18.2.37  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @18.2.36    4 years ago
It goes without saying this is intolerable behavior from the president of the United States. 

He is an embarrassment.   It demeans the office to have an occupant behaving like an obnoxious high-school student.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
18.2.38  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 years ago
 I too wish some of his comments weren’t so sophomoric but in another breath I find it refreshing that he’s not lying to us like most politicians do regularly.

I wish you were not serious. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.39  CB  replied to  Ender @18.2    4 years ago

Just in case I missed it as I read further down to this "tremendous" thread, looking for a spot to interject this, I will just start at the beginning:

BRAVO! PERFECTO! "Maestro" Ender continue, please! We Are Giants!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.40  CB  replied to  Sparty On @18.2.1    4 years ago
I find it refreshing that he’s not lying to us like most politicians do regularly.     Most lie their asses off nonstop.    Not Trump, he thinks it and it comes squirting out without supposition for the most part.

Your challenge should you choose to undertake it: Demonstrate without using rhetoric, the former presidents, loved or despised, who have dedicated fact-checkers who trail him/them around correcting 'the record.'

This should be easy for you, considering your quote above, "I find it refreshing. . . . "

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.41  CB  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.3    4 years ago

A politician's make-up is fair game. Joe Biden is not getting any pass from me on his 'hair-brained' comment. You can record that in your 'log' of statements by a liberal. Biden apologized immediately for his non-stellar moment.

Your guy does not do apologies; and like him looking in the mirror,  I surmise you don't do apologies either.

However, we are still counting the sick, dying, and dead who are heading towards the cliff to fall off from this Trump-led supporter-fed, "it ain't me" program of ignore the coronavirus/covid-19 event raging and re-raging in our country. 

Thus, above, I made the comparison of Biden's timely and significant apology to the lack of a Trump/supporter apology to the "Central Park Five" who Trump sought to see get the death penalty or 'rot' in Jail—so much so that on the strength of his hometown New York, he served to influence law and justice against them.

The "five" were exonerated, and received a New York City settlement for a wrong conviction. It would have been so easy for Trump to say he was wrong about them, if only in hindsight. He won't do it in 2016, and he won't do it today.

Therefore, please do miss us with your "poor Donald" never the instigator shtick.

Biden was wrong for misjudging the instance at the tail-end of an 18 minutes long interview (during which I have heard he was drilled hard and matched the procedure) and his audience of Charlemagne tha God and his listeners. Donald Trump, well. . . is you.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.42  CB  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.9    4 years ago

Trump's character is Trump's problem. Trump tries to compel liberals to forsake their ideas, drives, and politics through coercion, intrigue, and in yo face lies and misinformation. "Jump" your train of liberalism: hop aboard the Trump conservative Express. Kiss liberalism and progressivism the long goodbye. . . .

Joe's character is not his problem. Joe wants to help conservatives, liberals, and independents find some reasonable and respectable common ground for existing peacefully and if he dares—relatively doing so happily. Joe hopes we can all be our best selves together existing as components of a whole system.Therefore, his character is open to all, and not shielded by deceptive tendencies and actions.or extraordinary lies and misinformation.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.2.43  CB  replied to  It Is ME @18.2.21    4 years ago

Donald Trump gets no respite, because he came down the escalator intent on making enemies and 'taking names' and like a bull pitching its big head and horns left/right/center in a china shop.

You won't admit Trump has been lying daily and misinforming the citizenry as a daily 'ritual'—giving you plenty of 'crap' to come here and parse on a cyclic basis (that is when you feel up to it). You won't openly admit Trump and you Trump supporters want liberals and progressives to forsake their politics entirely; even as you supplant it with Trump conservatism.

We don't want or have any interest in being well, like you, a Trump conservative.

We don't need to argue Joe Biden with you. You do not have a 36 year record of Joe "gaffing." That is simply rhetoric. On the otherhand, should you have a valid record of 36 years (no opinion) of Biden gaffe; give it over here.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
18.2.44  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @18.2.38    4 years ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.3  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @18    4 years ago

Good Morning Sparty,

For the sake of a decent conversation, I'm ignoring the usual talking points you made and I am going to try and explain. But I hope you were not talking about me, when you say haters got to hate and petty small minded tactics.

I am not a progressive but I am Jewish. And I have to tell you, that I had to think carefully before I actually admitted that on this site. I am well aware that antisemitism is still alive and well, and I have never discussed my background on the site before. I only shared it occasionally privately with people I have gotten to know. I didn't want who I was to interfere with what I do here. 

But then Biden made this comment and it brought up how I felt when Trump made that comment.  There is a cultural difference between blacks and Jews. Blacks have gotten used to being vocal about how they feel. Jews have learned to keep their displeasure about comments like that to themselves. History taught us to keep a low profile. 

But what you might have not been aware of, is that many Jewish publications discussed Trump's comment at the time. We were offended. He doesn't get to tell us who is or is not a Jew or who is or is not intelligent based on how he thinks we should vote. 

Neither does Biden for the black community. He was wrong, plain and simple. 

You talked about partisan politics. But when Trump made his remark, not a single article about it on the front page, but when Biden does, there is. Yeah I get it. There is an election in the balance so now anything to take down each other. That was why I was very careful to address the most current event (Biden's comment) first and then go onto Trump's. 

But here's is the thing. 

You defend Trump's comment and say that he was clearly supporting Israel and I would agree. But he made it also made it political. He drew a line in the sand with Jews that he does not get to decide for them. That is exactly what Biden did for blacks. Biden can't tell blacks that if they don't vote for him, they ain't black. Neither man belongs to these groups. They have no idea what it's like to be a member. They are two white Christian men that have lived totally different lives to any Jew, or to any black person.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
18.3.1  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @18.3    4 years ago

No one gets to 'own' a whole category of people (ignoring their liberty to choose, say, or act) by something they do or think is sufficient. That is hubris. And of the kind which never can be honorable. Biden goofed. And he got checked. Most significantly, he repented for it. And he allows repentance to alter his course on the matter in question.

Biden was 'checked.' He changed. Now those who want to throw him 'overboard' need to look for a new opportunity to do so.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
19  It Is ME    4 years ago

The other thing I noticed from the article, was that the "Title" doesn't match the rant.

Title = "Is It Okay When Trump Attacks Jews?"

Sentence in Article = "Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear  yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else." 

Wouldn't that be a "PRAISE" for Jewish people (Trusts), and an "ATTACK" on "Black" people (Distrusts) ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
19.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @19    4 years ago

Wouldn't that be a "PRAISE" for Jewish people (Trusts), and an "ATTACK" on "Black" people (Distrusts) ?

ever comment with the stereo playin in the background...? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
19.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @19.1    4 years ago
ever comment with the stereo playin in the background...? 

Could you turn your Stereo down.....I couldn't understand what you said.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
19.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @19    4 years ago
Sentence in Article="Black guys counting my money! I hate it.Theonlykind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear  yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. No one else." 

Do you think that is not an insult to Jewish people? Do you think that all Jews are short, wearing  yarmulkes and sit around counting money?

And no, it is not trust that is being implied by that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
19.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.2    4 years ago
Do you think that is not an insult to Jewish people?

"I Hate it".....would be more insulting than saying short and yarmulkes wearers.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
19.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @19.2.1    4 years ago
"I Hate it".....would be more insulting than saying short and yarmulkes wearers.

So you are OK with really bad stereotypes? Those are the same ones that had Jews ran out of town and killed for centuries.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
19.2.4  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.2.2    4 years ago

That you have to split hairs on this is part of the problem with people who whether come here to argue the indefensible and not simply let it ease by unmolested, is a portion of the problem with this. Trumpism simply shouts at others from its shallowness just beneath the surface of dilemmas, issues, and policies.

"It is Me," Trump's statement was an insult to black males who had the responsibility and job description to count casino money, because it devalued their education, abilities, and implied something negative against their personal characters; Trump's statement about the Jews played into a well-indulged stereotype that Jews are all about money, are involved in the getting of money though nuanced means, and especially into the hoarding of money. No Jewish person who simply wants to experience a normal life in this land would appreciate a characterization of their whole being as that of transactional and negotiable

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
19.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  It Is ME @19    4 years ago

Trump's comment is well depicted by the drawing at the top of the page.  I don't think of the words "counting my money" as having the dignity of using the word accountant. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
20  igknorantzrulz    4 years ago

huh ?

can't here U, i'm me somewhere else

keyboarding till it starts snowin, then im goin snowbordeing, but i'm rockin out, it's what i do, while typin, you shouldn't tri it sum times...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
22  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 years ago

Article is now reopened. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
22.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @22    4 years ago

Article is now reopened. 

now u tell me

 
 

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