Historian Slaps Donald Trump With Disastrous Grade For Coronavirus Response

  

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Via:  tessylo  •  one month ago  •  57 comments

By:   Lee Moran HuffPost

Historian Slaps Donald Trump With Disastrous Grade For Coronavirus Response

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Historian Slaps Donald Trump With Disastrous Grade For Coronavirus Response





Lee Moran


HuffPost May 27, 2020, 4:40 AM EDT








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Historian Slaps Donald Trump With Disastrous Grade For Coronavirus Response

President   Donald Trump   may rate his fumbled response to the   coronavirus   pandemic   as a 10 out of 10 .

But historian John M. Barry, author of the 2005 bestseller “ The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History ” about the 1918 pandemic, thinks it’s at best a 3.5.

And in an interview with   The Washington Post published Tuesday , Barry suggested even that score was “overly generous.” 

Barry noted Trump downplayed the threat of the virus that has gone on to kill almost 100,000 people nationwide. Although the president eventually began to take the outbreak more seriously, he continued to give out “inaccurate information on a daily basis.”

The United States’ response to this pandemic will be remembered in 100 years’ time as “incomprehensibly incoherent,” Barry said, arguing that the most important lesson was to “tell the truth.”

Read the full interview here.





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Tessylo
1  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

‘incomprehensibly incoherent’

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

?

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago

Trump spent 6 weeks lying about the corona virus, he did almost nothing but lie about it, call it a hoax and golf. But he gets fact checked on Twitter and he writes an EO within 48 hours. 

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1    one month ago

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Tessylo
1.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @1.2    one month ago

Which means what?

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2.2  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.1    one month ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  squiggy @1.2.2    one month ago

snort

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.4  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2.3    one month ago

Please don't feed the trolls.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2.5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.4    one month ago
Please don't feed the trolls.

No worries, Tessy.  It was an 80% surprise/20% amusement snort.  Troll snack?  Not even a miniscule crumbs-worth.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

'A CHAOTIC DISASTER'

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

The above describes this 'president' in a nutshell.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

I'm not posting so much here anymore.  Kind of losing interest in Newstalkers and certain posters.  Perrie reached out to me though to see if I'm okay and that spurred to post because of something I just saw on Yahoo when I was checking my e-mail.  

I'll still check in here from time to time but Newstalkers seems to be losing its hold on me.  

Crazy times make me realize how short life is and how much time and energy is wasted battling certain posters on social media.

 
 
 
lib50
4.1  lib50  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago

I've been doing the same lately, now dipping my toes back in, but sometimes the weight of the stupidity and lies is too much to face.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @4.1    one month ago

I'm now going into the hospital two days a week now, part time, and also still working from home.  I'm taking a break right now from sorting through a shitload of evaluations for one of my bosses.  

My students might/likely will be coming back in July so in early June, I'll start cranking back up.  Looks like a light at the end of the tunnel.  

Places like Newstalkers have a much lower place in my priorities now, a new perspective in life is great.  

I'm real thankful to Perrie though for Newstalkers.  She provides a great service.  It might seem a little uneven at times, but she does her best and I have to hand it to her.  It can't be easy working with certain posters.  I know I give her hell all the time and she takes it in stride.  Reaches out to me when I'm not here for a while.  Worries about me.  That's great.  I've never gotten that kind of personal attention on any site, EVER.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    one month ago

First of all, thank you Tess for that really nice post. I can't say it isn't nice to be appreciated. 

I think that both it is equally important to express yourself on social media. If it wasn't there wouldn't be so much money spent on it. Having your voice, defending your POV, battling fake news is all important. So is getting out and being organized. But you can't say that one is more important than the other. In these days of social media, this is how we get to the masses. This site gets about 2k visitors a day reading our posts, and no matter which side of the fence you are on, the ones making their case better are the ones who win at the end of the day. 

Anywho, I will step off of my soapbox now, LOL!

 
 
 
charger 383
4.1.3  charger 383  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    one month ago

Tessylo,  Good luck to you and take care

 
 
 
Gsquared
4.2  Gsquared  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago

Organizing for get out the vote efforts is a far better use of time.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @4.2    one month ago

You're right

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.1    one month ago

Read my post above.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago
Kind of losing interest in Newstalkers and certain posters

Ditto. It can get frustrating when all one can do is refute the claims of some who point to a red fire engine and proclaim "That fire truck is green!" and when you tell them "No, it's red" they accuse you of being some coastal elite who doesn't understand that in their neck of the woods, that color is green and it's their right or religious freedom to see colors differently than the rest of humanity. Eventually it get's tiresome and I have to take a break from all the insanity that keeps bubbling forth from some.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago

Although I'm sorry that you're cutting back, I can't blame you for it.  I, too, have become discouraged with NT, and have cut down the time I spend here.  There is just too much unfairness, and especially vicious political warfare, in some of the comments, and I'm getting tired of dealing with it when I know better.  Nobody wants their efforts to be unappreciated.  It used to be a much more friendly site.  However, I have certain responsibilities here that require my checking in now and then, and I see and check out every new user in order to delete spammers, but at the same time I can see how the vast majority who originally join then do not involve themselves, and I can fully understand why.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.5  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @4    one month ago

Also have been spending less and less time here due to the same reasons I quit the vine.

Professional far right wing political fascism has infected this site as well. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.5.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  cjcold @4.5    one month ago

Cjold,

I have been very careful not to allow professional posters of any kind. Maybe the vine didn't care since it was a corporation, but I do. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.5.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @4.5    one month ago

I think the 'vine' was pretty toxic and it closed under its own toxic weight I think.  

 
 
 
lib50
4.5.3  lib50  replied to  Tessylo @4.5.2    one month ago

You should have seen the old msnbc boards. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  JohnRussell    one month ago
The United States’ response to this pandemic will be remembered in 100 years’ time as “incomprehensibly incoherent"

No doubt. Trump supporters delude themselves as to how history will treat this narcissistic idiot. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago

That's how I view him now.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one month ago

It sure doesn't help that he and junior sold critical PPE to China when we needed it here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2    one month ago

Did you see in the White Trash House recently when some nurses/medical personnel/etc. were being thanked, and one nurse said something about the lack of PPE, and the 'president' folded his arms like he does when something is said he doesn't like.  He then berated and scolded her.  Asshole.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.1    one month ago

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Tessylo
5.2.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @5.2.2    one month ago

I call it the White Trash House now because of the current resident(s).  Poor white trash with money.  

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KDMichigan
5.2.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.3    one month ago
I call it the White Trash House now because of the current resident(s).  Poor white trash with money.  

Again Still better than the trash that moved out.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6  Greg Jones    one month ago

Just consider this site and others like it as fun and entertainment, and a place where people can harmlessly vent and complain about whatever they want., usually about politics and religion.

Minds are rarely changed because our views have been formed over lifetimes...in my case, one that has lasted 82 years. Consider each day a blessing and strive to be positive instead of negative in your thoughts and actions.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6    one month ago

That's why I never take anything you or your buddies here say [seriously,deleted]

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @6.1    one month ago

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Tessylo
6.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @6    one month ago
Consider each day a blessing and strive to be positive instead of negative in your thoughts and actions.

When will you start?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
6.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @6.2    one month ago

I was wondering the same thing since everytime he makes a comment to me it's neither a blessing or positive

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.1    one month ago

I just had to respond to one of his as well.

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.3  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @6    one month ago

An unwillingness to change ones mind due to preconceived notions or biases is indicative of a closed mind.

 
 
 
Ender
6.3.1  Ender  replied to  Gordy327 @6.3    one month ago
A mind is a terrible thing
 
 
 
Tessylo
6.3.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @6.3.1    one month ago

That is not a problem at all for tRump supporters.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7  KDMichigan    one month ago

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Tacos!
8  Tacos!    one month ago

Unfortunately his assessment is a vague as most of the ones I have seen. This kind of criticism should be constructive, but it comes off just as partisan as the others I have seen. Unlike this historian, I can explain my position.

The first few months it was hugely disappointing to see him trivialize this outbreak

Is this a fair criticism? For one thing, he didn't completely trivialize it. I would say his position all along has been a mix of trying to take it seriously, while simultaneously trying to promote calm throughout the country. Both are worthy goals, but it's a hard line to walk effectively. And since it has been a century since something like this swept the country, I think most Americans understandably just assumed it wouldn't ever happen like this here.

Furthermore, Trump clearly had a lot of company in downplaying the virus. The WHO delayed weeks in confirming that the virus could be spread easily from person-to-person and waited far too long, in the estimation of many, to declare a pandemic. Scientists and politicians in federal and local governments were encouraging people to live their lives as normal even into late February and early March.

It is not fair to judge Trump as if he were ignoring advice from scientists. Drs. Fauci and Birx have repeatedly said that Trump has listened to, and followed, their recommendations from early in this process. Expecting the president, all on his own, to foresee the extent of the pandemic is unreasonable. No president would have the tools to accomplish that.

But obviously he gives out inaccurate information on a daily basis.

Yeah he probably does. At minimum, I think he is sloppy in the things he says. He rambles. He is imprecise. And he does not appreciate that people take even his throwaway musings as serious proclamations. He may not think that's fair, but he should adjust to the reality that people  listening to him respond in dumb ways.

Trump is not alone in dispensing inaccurate information, though. Scientists have had to make corrections several times on how this virus behaves and what our response should be. They get a pass because that's the scientific process, but policy decisions are made based on their advice, so maybe they shouldn't get a pass. Furthermore, when it comes to the details of that response, there is plenty of disagreement even among experts.

Complicating things is the press, with its need to sensationalize the most trivial things. They routinely take statements Trump has made and blow them way out of proportion, warping their meaning. For example, the notion that Trump believes people should inject bleach. That kind of journalism does a lot of harm.

we discussed the importance of who the spokesperson should be . . . And we were unanimous that it should not be any politician, not the president, not secretary of HHS, not even CDC.

Not even CDC? Who then? All these exclusions don't leave a lot of options. Anyone the president picked to be a spokesperson would be seen by someone as a partisan voice.

I don't think it's reasonable to imagine that in a crisis like this, we would never hear from the president. I think we would hear from any president on a regular basis. I believe the press would have a field day with any president who didn't speak regularly on the topic.

This notion that politicians shouldn't be spokespersons on the pandemic is an interesting idea, but clearly far from universally agreed upon. Evidence? Governors and mayors all over the country give daily briefings. Several - Democrats especially - are praised in the media for doing exactly that. But Trump is screwing it up because he's not a neutral scientist? Sorry, but such double standards make for weak criticism.

And anyway, we do hear from these scientists all the time. Drs. Fauci and Birx are known all over the country now - and praise by many on the Left - because they have been speaking well on the virus. They do the press conferences and they do interviews on all the news networks.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @8    one month ago

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Tessylo
9  seeder  Tessylo    one month ago

You haven't explained anything.  

tRump ignored repeated warnings until it was essentially too late.

He should never have dismantled the pandemic response team that President Obama put in place.  

All the rest is spin and tRumpsplanations and one of the reasons I'm so tired of certain posters.

Doesn't matter what the incompetent bumbling moron 'president' does or doesn't do, someone always tRumpsplains it away.

Time for another break.  

I'm heading downtown to my office in the hospital.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
10  It Is ME    one month ago

"Barry noted Trump downplayed the threat of the virus that has gone on to kill almost 100,000 people nationwide."

No !

The "God" of all that is Science.... Downplayed it. Trump was following what this "God" had been saying ! If Trump "Takes Charge", the mdia goes back to "Their God" to tell us Trump is Wrong.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/29/steve-bannon/did-fauci-tell-us-not-worry-about-coronavirus/

Gotta love when "Trump Haters" ….. make SHIT up !

Weird ! 

Loved what Dana Perino said on "The Five" yesterday about the CDC. "The CDC" should not be putting out briefings, and then changing what they tell us, over and over. Either wait, or don't say anything at all".  I'd Trust Dana. She's always got the "Well, I wouldn't be so quick to Judge" mentality when talking about what is right and wrong with Presidents and/or Congress.

I'd say we have a CDC Problem, Not a Trump Problem. It's the CDC that can't make up their minds.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.1  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @10    one month ago

What fucking nonsense are you babbling on about now?

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As circumstances change, restrictions, etc., need to change also.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
10.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @10.1    one month ago

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Tessylo
10.1.2  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @10.1.1    one month ago

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Tessylo
10.1.3  seeder  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @10.1    one month ago

Plus we're not the ones making shit up It.

That's your 'president' and the gop.  They're the ones spreading this virus also.  Should be jailed for criminal negligence.

You and they value money over people.  

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It Is ME
10.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @10.1.1    one month ago

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It Is ME
10.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.3    one month ago
They're the ones spreading this virus also.

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"That's your 'president'"

ummmmmm ..….. And whose "YOUR" President ?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
10.1.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  It Is ME @10.1.5    one month ago

Must be Hillary, she did win the popular vote after all...jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
10.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @10.1.6    one month ago

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lib50
10.2  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @10    one month ago

Someone doesn't know how scientific modeling works.  Or how as more is learned about a NOVEL virus, more input into the model. What was known in Jan is less than Feb. Or March Or April. Or May.  Information changes, model changes, outcomes change. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
10.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @10.2    one month ago
Information changes, model changes, outcomes change. 

Getting it right the "First Time", would "Save Lives".

Playing with Numbers and letting the "Citizens" know "You're still Playing".....doesn't.jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
11  Freedom Warrior    one month ago

First of all you're looking in the wrong direction.

And what sort of grade would you give to NY pols like cuomoo and deblahsio.   The stats in NY are a disaster compared to just about everywhere else in the country. If you took NY out of the picture there would be virtually little justification for the extreme measure enacted in response to Covid.

So basically NY fucked the rest of the country.  Trump on the other hand had to play nanny and pick up the pieces for their fuck ups including those in other governmental agencies that dropped the ball.

So all we are really getting from this hit piece is disingenuous crapola as usual.

 
 
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