WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

  

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By:  john-russell  •  10 months ago  •  100 comments

WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

In the much talked about new Fox Poll there is an interesting finding.  Over half , 54%,  of independents say that they think Donald Trump is not mentally fit to hold office.  Less than 1 out of three independents (30%) say they are sure he does have the mental soundness to serve as president. 

It is likely that independents will once again decide who wins the presidential election of 2020.  Whoever they give a majority of their votes to will probably be the winner.  Unless independents are going to go against their better judgement and vote as a majority to put into the highest office a person they know is not fit to lead America,  Trump would appear to have no chance for re-election. 

Do the right thing. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    10 months ago

Chances Trump will "change" his mental state before the election   -  ZERO. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    10 months ago

Nope....he's found a way that works with most of the voters. Biden has no chance of beating him come November, after all the bad news for the Democrats that is going to come out in September and October. Lots of surprises waiting to be sprung on the unwary and unprepared Dems.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    10 months ago

Have never been a member of a political party. This independent even voted for GHW Bush the first time. Didn't know at the time that he was complicit in the JFK assassination.

That was before the internet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1.2    10 months ago

lol!!.

I guess the internet conspiracy site reeled you in easy!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @1    10 months ago

They will do as your headline suggests if the end up voting for Biden.  

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.4  gooseisgone  replied to  JohnRussell @1    10 months ago
Trump will "change" his mental state

Oh......OK.......let's talk about Joe........wait what is my name......Biden and his mental state, hell my Labrador can communicate better.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
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2  XDm9mm    10 months ago
WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

Nope.  They didn't in 2016 and won't in 2020.

TRUMP 2020

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  XDm9mm @2    10 months ago

Rimshot!    jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @2    10 months ago

Trump has had years to prove that he is the most idiotic and incompetent president ever.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
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2.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  cjcold @2.3    10 months ago
Trump has had years to prove that he is the most idiotic and incompetent president ever.

Have no fear, that title is a toss up between Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

 
 
 
Account Deleted
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3  Account Deleted    10 months ago

Independents are not exactly a block of undecided voters who at a whim will line up and vote exclusively for either candidate - if they vote.

Only about 7%  of Independents seem to express no party preference. This is about half the number in 2016

The rest are "leaners" who are about equally split between the parties.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1  cjcold  replied to  Account Deleted @3    10 months ago

Most independents don't even respond to polls (I know I don't). But I will definitely vote against Trump for a whole plethora of reasons.

I will vote for Biden for a whole plethora of reasons.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.2  cjcold  replied to    10 months ago

This independent doesn't recall ever receiving anything free from either party.

Only the already wealthy receive anything free from Trump.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4  Nerm_L    10 months ago

A choice between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum is no choice at all.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5  Perrie Halpern R.A.    10 months ago

You guys crack me up. A bunch of partisans talking about how the indies will vote. Too funny. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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5.1  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    10 months ago
A bunch of partisans talking about how the indies will vote. Too funny. 

They keep doing it over and over, like they know what they are talking about too.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @5.1    10 months ago

Oh I know... it is very funny.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
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6  Release The Kraken    10 months ago

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Tacos!
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8  Tacos!    10 months ago
WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

Donald Trump? Joe Biden? Kanye West?

Is there someone running who is fit for office?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @8    10 months ago

I think that at a time when neither party can produce the ideal candidate, it would have been the time for a governance-experienced, more youthful, repectable, intelligent and charismatic independant to have thrown his/her hat into the ring, but that's unlikely now.  Although Biden would not have been my choice if I were able to vote, I believe that he is the only possibility to get rid of Trump, and I hope the "indie" voters come to that conclusion. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
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11  Robert in Ohio    10 months ago

Interesting question

I personally cannot see myself voting for either Trump or Biden, so I am left with choices ------ vote for a third party candidate (as I did in 2016), write in the name of someone I think can be an effective president or simply skip that question (a choice that leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth) or stay home altogether.

Voting is the responsibility of a citizen of the U.S. so I likely will not stay home but I fear that many may which will be an important factor in the election - how many citizens just stay home

 
 
 
Kathleen
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11.1  Kathleen  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11    10 months ago

I also wrote in last election. I regretted who I picked though. I feel like I am in the same situation this year too. Like you, I will vote because it’s my duty to.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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13  Dean Moriarty    10 months ago

I’m in the process of getting my registration switched to independent now that we moved away from caucuses to an open primary. It gives me more freedom to vote for weak Democrats in the primaries. 

I always vote for the Libertarian presidential candidate but this year I’m voting for Trump as a roadblock to the lefts insanity.  I don’t want John’s work the last five years motivating conservatives to get out and vote to go to waste. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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14  Buzz of the Orient    10 months ago

Why the comments on this article surprise (and disappoint) me is that even if indies prefer neither Biden nor Trump, they would "waste their vote" to make a useless point rather than guarantee that the man who has almost destroyed the US economy and caused so much sickness and death of American citizens with his failed governance, negligent mishandling and poor example with respect to the virus, by voting for the only person who can end his presidency.  Truly, I find it hard to believe.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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14.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14    10 months ago
Truly, I find it hard to believe. 

I don't , mainly because I look at it as there are as many different political views  as there are people .

 I voted for gary Johnson last time knowing full well there wasn't even a cintillas chance in hell he could win.  But I also gauged how I thought the state would go , Hillary had the same chance of winning this states EC votes as did Johnson winning the election. and I was right trump took the state by 60+ %, matter of fact only 2 counties out of 23 went for Hillary.

 It will boil down to no matter what anyone says or accuses the other party of , what the voters actually think is in their own self interests , has always been that way and always will be .

 
 
 
Tacos!
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15  Tacos!    10 months ago

If Democrats would nominate someone with principles and a spine, I would happily vote for them. I side with that party on several important issues. But when a candidate's position keeps swinging around at the whim of whatever is politically trendy this week, I think that makes for a very scary candidate. A leader knows what he or she believes and doesn't throw it away just to buy a few votes.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tacos! @15    10 months ago
If Democrats would nominate someone with principles and a spine,

They have no excuse, they had 20 some different candidates for the nomination when this all started . So the voice of the democratic parties voters has been heard as to whom they wish to nominate.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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15.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1    10 months ago
So the voice of the democratic parties voters has been heard as to whom they wish to nominate.

I'm not so sure about that. The voters were going for Bernie. They were also going for lots of different candidates not named Biden. But the party got all those people to quit.

My sense of it is that they had convinced themselves Sanders couldn't beat Trump and they couldn't agree on an alternative. So Biden gets the nomination by default.

Unfortunately, it's hard to tell if he actually stands for anything other than getting elected.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1    10 months ago

[deleted]  The Republican Party should have dumped him at some point during this four year atrocity and nominated someone else to run in 2020. Now it is almost too late. 

If by some perverse miracle he should win we will have nothing but 4 MORE years of this daily travesty. 

The man is not mentally or psychologically or morally fit to be the leader of this country. And if it were not for his cult following that does not hold him to a single standard of moral or ethical behavior he would have the lowest approval ratings of all time (he almost does anyway). Stop your delusions before this country is ruined. Support a conservative with honesty and decency and principles. And it sure as hell aint Donald Trump. 

The country cannot withstand much more of the willfull blindness "conservatives' show toward this man's Mt Everest of personal faults and failings. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @15.1.1    10 months ago

It is beyond laughable for you to criticize Biden for the sorts of things Trump exudes, only twenty times moreso.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.4  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.2    10 months ago

Barking at the wrong person john , im not a registered republican , let alone a republican at all , in order for me to vote in either parties primaries here I have to register with them. state party rules .

I have currently voted in 10 presidential elections , this one coming up will make 11, and the last 5 I voted 3rd party candidates on the presidential ballot .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.4    10 months ago

If you are blase about getting rid of Trump, and I think you are, you are not the wrong person for my comments at all.  He is the worst president in history, and that actually means something. It means we all have a duty to put an end to this asap. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.5    10 months ago

LOL well In order for you to convince ME to vote against trump , you would have to prove to me the alternative of biden is better which would be an impossible task for you since I already think that vote is NOT in my own best interests  simply from what I have heard him say on the campaign trail .

 And remember it is me , that decides what I think is in my own best self interests , not you or any party. So biden talked himself right out of contention.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.6    10 months ago

I understand. You prefer the worst president in American history.  That is why we fight. ( I don't mean you and me, I mean the American people). 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.9  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.5    10 months ago
If you are blase about getting rid of Trump, and I think you are,

That's possible but you could also be about as wrong as you were that we would be calling Hillary madame president  , but I will not vote for communists , socialists , radical progressives or democrats  or any itinerations or combinations of these  simply just to  change political winds or sate peoples dislike of any particular candidate  either .

I am not a democrat because democrats went farther left than I think

Any progressiveness I have would be classified as a conservative progressive , meaning all people should be treated equally under the law , unfortunately to me the radical progressives have the 200 year old stench of the old democratic party of racism ,prejudice , and bigotry attatched to just about everything they say, they simply switched who to hate and blame for societies and individual  woes .

 socialism? I take that as the social contract of those that make more pay more and those that need more get more , So I effectively divorced myself from said social contract and only pay taxes on what I currently earn which I limit  so that I don't have to pay anything

Communism , LMFAO,  Soviet , Chinese , Cuban communism showed me that I do not nor will I support such a form of government control over individual lives  .Nor do I really know anyone that would like to actually LIVE under such after experiencing freedom .

 So I highly doubt I would be a suitable candidate as an independent to  try and convince to vote for the US democratic ticket since that ticket includes all that I would never vote for .

As stan Lee said , Nuff Said

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.10  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.8    10 months ago
I understand. You prefer the worst president in American history.

Given the alternatives ?

 well I likely will stick with the worst of the best , all 45 of them , than settle for the best of the worst in my humble opinion.

especially when the worst of the best is still a better choice than the best of the worst.

(dammit I sound like Bilbo saying goodbye at his party)

 we of course agree to disagree.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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15.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.3    10 months ago
It is beyond laughable for you to criticize Biden for the sorts of things Trump exudes

Which things are you talking about?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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15.1.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.2    10 months ago

John, you really do need to accept the fact that not all share your sheer unmitigated almost rabid hatred of President Trump! 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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15.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15.1.12    10 months ago

Only 72% and it's not rabid hatred.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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15.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @15.1.13    10 months ago

Prove it please.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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15.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.10    10 months ago
"dammit I sound like Bilbo saying goodbye at his party"

But no matter how old Bilbo became, he was always ready to go on a new adventure.  In that respect, he set the example for me. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.16  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15.1.12    10 months ago

I don't hate Donald Trump at all. He's not fit, at all, in any way, to lead this country as president of the United States. Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?  This is Idiocracy in action real life. 

He should resign today. But whats worse is that supposedly reasonable people want to sign up for four more years of this insanity by voting for him AGAIN ! 

It is the most absurd thing I have ever seen.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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15.1.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.16    10 months ago

"I don't hate Donald Trump at all."  Sorry, but you sure could have fooled me and lot of others here on NT!

 
 
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