WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

  

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By:  john-russell  •  3 weeks ago  •  100 comments

WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

In the much talked about new Fox Poll there is an interesting finding.  Over half , 54%,  of independents say that they think Donald Trump is not mentally fit to hold office.  Less than 1 out of three independents (30%) say they are sure he does have the mental soundness to serve as president. 

It is likely that independents will once again decide who wins the presidential election of 2020.  Whoever they give a majority of their votes to will probably be the winner.  Unless independents are going to go against their better judgement and vote as a majority to put into the highest office a person they know is not fit to lead America,  Trump would appear to have no chance for re-election. 

Do the right thing. 


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Chances Trump will "change" his mental state before the election   -  ZERO. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

Nope....he's found a way that works with most of the voters. Biden has no chance of beating him come November, after all the bad news for the Democrats that is going to come out in September and October. Lots of surprises waiting to be sprung on the unwary and unprepared Dems.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

Have never been a member of a political party. This independent even voted for GHW Bush the first time. Didn't know at the time that he was complicit in the JFK assassination.

That was before the internet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @1.2    3 weeks ago

lol!!.

I guess the internet conspiracy site reeled you in easy!

 
 
 
MAGA
1.3  MAGA  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

They will do as your headline suggests if the end up voting for Biden.  

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.4  gooseisgone  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
Trump will "change" his mental state

Oh......OK.......let's talk about Joe........wait what is my name......Biden and his mental state, hell my Labrador can communicate better.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2  XDm9mm    3 weeks ago
WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

Nope.  They didn't in 2016 and won't in 2020.

TRUMP 2020

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  XDm9mm @2    3 weeks ago

Rimshot!    jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
loki12
2.2  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @2    3 weeks ago

Biden should just start running Aricept commercials as his campaign ads.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.3  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @2    3 weeks ago

Trump has had years to prove that he is the most idiotic and incompetent president ever.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  cjcold @2.3    3 weeks ago
Trump has had years to prove that he is the most idiotic and incompetent president ever.

Have no fear, that title is a toss up between Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
3  Adam_Selene    3 weeks ago

Independents are not exactly a block of undecided voters who at a whim will line up and vote exclusively for either candidate - if they vote.

Only about 7%  of Independents seem to express no party preference. This is about half the number in 2016

The rest are "leaners" who are about equally split between the parties.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1  cjcold  replied to  Adam_Selene @3    3 weeks ago

Most independents don't even respond to polls (I know I don't). But I will definitely vote against Trump for a whole plethora of reasons.

I will vote for Biden for a whole plethora of reasons.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.1  MUVA  replied to  cjcold @3.1    3 weeks ago

Free shit is one thing.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1.2  cjcold  replied to  MUVA @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

This independent doesn't recall ever receiving anything free from either party.

Only the already wealthy receive anything free from Trump.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
4  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

A choice between Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum is no choice at all.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 weeks ago

You guys crack me up. A bunch of partisans talking about how the indies will vote. Too funny. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
5.1  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 weeks ago
A bunch of partisans talking about how the indies will vote. Too funny. 

They keep doing it over and over, like they know what they are talking about too.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilgenius @5.1    3 weeks ago

Oh I know... it is very funny.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
6  Release The Kraken    3 weeks ago

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loki12
6.1  loki12  replied to  Release The Kraken @6    3 weeks ago

removed for context

 
 
 
Tacos!
8  Tacos!    3 weeks ago
WILL INDEPENDENTS VOTE FOR SOMEONE THEY KNOW IS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE ?

Donald Trump? Joe Biden? Kanye West?

Is there someone running who is fit for office?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @8    3 weeks ago

I think that at a time when neither party can produce the ideal candidate, it would have been the time for a governance-experienced, more youthful, repectable, intelligent and charismatic independant to have thrown his/her hat into the ring, but that's unlikely now.  Although Biden would not have been my choice if I were able to vote, I believe that he is the only possibility to get rid of Trump, and I hope the "indie" voters come to that conclusion. 

 
 
 
loki12
9  loki12    3 weeks ago

Independents, is this your racist champion?

“Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions built so high that it is going to explode at some point. We have got to make some move on this."

Joe Dementia,

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @9    3 weeks ago
Circa....1977 loki.  43 years ago.  
How about we talk about something a bit more recent and Trump's stand on the New York Park Five.  At least it's in the same century.

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.1  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1    3 weeks ago
How about we talk about something a bit more recent

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

The racism in Joe Dementia still runs deep, until this gentleman who became President threw Joe Dementia a life ring, Joe Dementia thought all African Americans were ugly, grunting filthy animals it seems.  He is part of the party of the Klan. So we shouldn't expect much. 

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.2  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1    3 weeks ago

What a racist POS,

"In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

Is it just Brown people he doesn't like?

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.3  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1    3 weeks ago
How about we talk about something a bit more recent

2019,

Joe Dementia on African Americans,

We bring social workers into homes of parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. It’s not that they don’t want to help, they don’t want — they don’t know quite what to do.

Good Job Joe, African Americans don't know how to raise their own children without white peoples help? We know you think they are too stupid to get into college or get ID's, but now they are too stupid to raise their own children?  Good Job Joe Dementia!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

If you don't like racists, why are you supporting Trump, and the party of Trump that openly welcomes racists loki?

Are you next going to tell me that the overwhelming majority of African-Americans are dumb because they support a party that doesn't support their views?  If you are, then you really need to have a talk with those at the NAACP and get straight on your facts  That is if you are interested in facts....

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @9.1.3    3 weeks ago
Besides the NAACP, I might suggest you take your disturbing thoughts and innuendos to:
  • African American Planning Commission (AAPC)
  • Black Women In Sisterhood For Action (BISA)
  • National Action Council For Minorities in Engineering (NACME)
  • National Urban League (NUL)
  • National Black Child Development Institute (NBCDI)
  • Rainbow Push

[Removed, NT members are not the topic]

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.6  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.4    3 weeks ago
If you don't like racists, why are you supporting Trump

If you can't back this up you have no integrity, Show one post supporting trump, Just one, Showing what a racist POS party the democrats are to those in denial isn't support for trump. the choice isn't binary no mater what the people who tell you what to think say.  Just for you edification since you show obvious ignorance on my politics.

This was time stamped before your post.

https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/51037/will-independents-vote-for-someone-they-know-is-not-fit-for-office#cm1365258

The question is, why do you support an obvious racist? with a long term history of racism. Do you support Joes views? you are obviously a huge supporter carring his water for him.

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.7  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.5    3 weeks ago
you seem to have some real issues related to race that need to get sorted out. 

Nice personal attack, but the bottom line, I'm not the one supporting a racist with dementia.......Can you say the same?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.8  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @9.1.6    3 weeks ago

Loki, you spend all your energy bitching about the dems and clinton and biden and Obama, with nary a peep about the person that is in the WH and whom and party that is doing the most damage to race relations as we speak.  Your your silence on Trump and the party of Trump speaks volumes as to your mindset loki....

While I wish there was a better choice than Joe, I will support him as he will be the nominee from the party that also happens to be the party that people of color overwhelmingly support. If they can reconcile Joe's checkered past, then who am I or you to question their judgement on the issue.  Race relations isn't the only reason to vote this cycle for Joe, but it is one of the bigger ones.

 
 
 
Ender
9.1.9  Ender  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.8    3 weeks ago

Nothing like a little civil unrest to show people's true colours.

Listening to some of these people you would think some cities were razed to the ground.

It looks like the officials in Portland and the state were correct.

The donald involvement has only made the protests grow in size.

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.10  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.8    3 weeks ago
Your your silence on Trump and the party of Trump speaks volumes as to your mindset loki....

There are plenty of whining little bitches here pissing and moaning about trump incessantly all day long, why would i want to join a group of mindless sheep? There are morons who still believe the Russia nonsense, There are morons here who follow and believe the Lincoln project.......I guess that's why the fall for Russian propaganda. Plus it's fun watching people expose themselves as party over country types.

          While I wish there was a better choice than Joe, I will support him as he will be the nominee from the party 

So integrity be damned, a racist POS is good enough  if he has a D after his name......  Can't say I'm surprised.

          If they can reconcile Joe's checkered past, then who am I or you to question their judgement on the issue. 

And there is another fundamental difference between us, I don't let other people make my judgements for me, What if I decide that i choose Ben Carson and Mia Loves opinion over a group who can't even name their own congressperson most of the time? 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.11  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @9.1.10    3 weeks ago

There are plenty of whining little bitches here pissing and moaning about trump incessantly all day long, why would i want to join a group of mindless sheep?

That shit sure doesn't feed the bulldog..... and BTW......your libertarian slip is showing!  

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.12  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.11    3 weeks ago
your libertarian slip is showing! 

Because liberty is a bad thing?  So we need to control womens right to choose?  we only legalize the state approved drugs? You can only worship state approved gods?  Democrats have become the party of no choice, unless it is state approved, Killing African American babies is good, Having a 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
9.1.13  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @9.1.12    3 weeks ago

No.... libertarians are a joke, and their "me only" mindset only works on paper in some political science class.  Libertarianism can't be made to work in the real world with the exception of Somalia being the closest working example. 

While I admit the Dems have their share of problems and "isms".... they are a huge improvement over the  liars, cheats and fools found anywhere else in our current political system.  Truth be told.... I'm what use to be called a "Goldwater Republican" at heart. 

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.14  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1.13    3 weeks ago
While I admit the Dems have their share of problems and "isms"

Racism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism.......On this we agree.  

 
 
 
loki12
10  loki12    3 weeks ago

Can the independents help me with Joe Dementia’s latest?

What is a voter registration physician? Is this the person who fixes the election for Joe Dementia? Maybe his buddy Xi China virus?

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
11  Robert in Ohio    3 weeks ago

Interesting question

I personally cannot see myself voting for either Trump or Biden, so I am left with choices ------ vote for a third party candidate (as I did in 2016), write in the name of someone I think can be an effective president or simply skip that question (a choice that leaves a bitter taste in one's mouth) or stay home altogether.

Voting is the responsibility of a citizen of the U.S. so I likely will not stay home but I fear that many may which will be an important factor in the election - how many citizens just stay home

 
 
 
Kathleen
11.1  Kathleen  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11    3 weeks ago

I also wrote in last election. I regretted who I picked though. I feel like I am in the same situation this year too. Like you, I will vote because it’s my duty to.

 
 
 
loki12
11.2  loki12  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11    3 weeks ago

I voted for Gary Johnson last election, Maybe a protest vote for Kanye this time. We need an option of none of the above, Let that one win the popular vote for a change. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  loki12 @11.2    3 weeks ago

As a registered Independent I voted for Johnson as well as I felt he was the lesser of evils. I am not a Trump supporter, but I dislike Biden far more than I do Donald Trump!

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.2  loki12  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.2.1    3 weeks ago

The problem here, if you aren't a Biden supporter you are automatically a trumper, racist, and hate America. and if you point out Bidens flaws, you are automatically attacked. I have never seen so many narrow minded bigoted people in one place, group think is the only thing tolerated.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  loki12 @11.2.2    3 weeks ago

You nailed it!

 
 
 
Kathleen
11.2.4  Kathleen  replied to  loki12 @11.2.2    3 weeks ago

I am not voting for Biden, that’s a guarantee. So that means I will be classified as such, guess what.... that’s too bad, I have a right to choose who I think would be best for the country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @11.2.4    3 weeks ago
"I have a right to choose who I think would be best for the country."

No one said you didn't.

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.6  loki12  replied to  Kathleen @11.2.4    3 weeks ago
I am not voting for Biden, that’s a guarantee.

Me either, Plus anybody who thinks a persons skin color is a qualification to be VP automatically loses my vote.  African Americans make up 13% of the US population, Joe Dementia just eliminated 87% of the population based on skin color, that's racist no matter what some left winger claims.

 
 
 
Kathleen
11.2.7  Kathleen  replied to  loki12 @11.2.6    3 weeks ago
Plus anybody who thinks a persons skin color is a qualification to be VP automatically loses my vote.

Yep...it tells you who unqualified Biden really is, he is weak and racist.

 
 
 
Sunshine
11.2.8  Sunshine  replied to  loki12 @11.2.6    3 weeks ago

More important a female candidate has to pass the Creepy Joe sniff test...

 
 
 
Kathleen
11.2.9  Kathleen  replied to  Sunshine @11.2.8    3 weeks ago

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Tacos!
11.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  loki12 @11.2.2    3 weeks ago
if you aren't a Biden supporter you are automatically a trumper, racist, and hate America. and if you point out Bidens flaws, you are automatically attacked.

It makes me wonder - if he's so above criticism - why the party had to tell all the other candidates to quit before Super Tuesday, since it was the only way Biden was going to secure the nomination. I guess for everyone who voted for Sanders, Warren, Bloomberg, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Gabbard, etc., all is forgiven.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
11.2.11  Robert in Ohio  replied to  loki12 @11.2    3 weeks ago

I can't vote for Kanye because the reason I cannot voted for either Biden or Trump is I took a vow to not vote for any idiots

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.12  loki12  replied to  Robert in Ohio @11.2.11    3 weeks ago

At least Kanye isn’t racist. Something the honest Biden supporters can’t say.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
11.2.13  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  loki12 @11.2    3 weeks ago
We need an option of none of the above, Let that one win the popular vote for a change. 

and that would leave the choice of who ends up being president to the house of representatives …. sure you want to do that?

 
 
 
loki12
11.2.14  loki12  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @11.2.13    3 weeks ago

No, it would be a mandatory do over until They gave us a candidate that was palatable to the electorate.

With the new executive direction by trump, you all may finally get a 2nd congress person.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
11.2.15  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  loki12 @11.2.14    3 weeks ago
No, it would be a mandatory do over until They gave us a candidate that was palatable to the electorate.

Actually no Loki , and this has happened once already, in 1824.

If neither candidate legally on the ballot attains the needed EC votes to secure the presidency , the vote then moves to the house of reps and they vote for who will become president.

 It was ALMOST used in the 2000 race between gore/bush, but the USSC stepped in and did their thing in Fla. because without the Fla EC votes going to either candidate , neither had the needed votes to secure a victory.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
13  Dean Moriarty    3 weeks ago

I’m in the process of getting my registration switched to independent now that we moved away from caucuses to an open primary. It gives me more freedom to vote for weak Democrats in the primaries. 

I always vote for the Libertarian presidential candidate but this year I’m voting for Trump as a roadblock to the lefts insanity.  I don’t want John’s work the last five years motivating conservatives to get out and vote to go to waste. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

Why the comments on this article surprise (and disappoint) me is that even if indies prefer neither Biden nor Trump, they would "waste their vote" to make a useless point rather than guarantee that the man who has almost destroyed the US economy and caused so much sickness and death of American citizens with his failed governance, negligent mishandling and poor example with respect to the virus, by voting for the only person who can end his presidency.  Truly, I find it hard to believe.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
14.1  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14    3 weeks ago
Truly, I find it hard to believe. 

I don't , mainly because I look at it as there are as many different political views  as there are people .

 I voted for gary Johnson last time knowing full well there wasn't even a cintillas chance in hell he could win.  But I also gauged how I thought the state would go , Hillary had the same chance of winning this states EC votes as did Johnson winning the election. and I was right trump took the state by 60+ %, matter of fact only 2 counties out of 23 went for Hillary.

 It will boil down to no matter what anyone says or accuses the other party of , what the voters actually think is in their own self interests , has always been that way and always will be .

 
 
 
loki12
14.2  loki12  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14    3 weeks ago

Maybe you don’t get free press there, the worthless dick who cause the death of Americans is Xi Hitler. But don’t worry, once Taiwan is recognized as a sovereign country we will go about destroying Chinas economy, 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  loki12 @14.2    3 weeks ago

LOL  You can't scare me.  How come other countries were capable of containing the virus while America, the most advanced country in the world, lacked the leadership to do the same?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
14.2.2  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.2.1    3 weeks ago
America, the most advanced country in the world, lacked the leadership to do the same?

ever try to herd cats chickens Buffalo and mice at the same time? that's the best way I can describe American politics, leadership.and citizenry.

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.3  loki12  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.2.1    3 weeks ago

Why would I try to scare you Buzz? You seem like a nice guy, that doesn’t mean that China isn’t going to be punished for their biological warfare, ask general soleimani what happens when you kill Americans, and our mortality rate is lower than most of the EU, without the moron Cuomo we would be less than all the EU, China is so worthless they are trying to steal our vaccine research. 

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.4  loki12  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @14.2.2    3 weeks ago

There is always the constitution that totalitarian dickheads like Xi don’t have to deal with. Just ask the millions he has ethnically cleansed. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  loki12 @14.2.3    3 weeks ago

Biological warfare?  LOL.  Shall we lay bets on who comes up with an effective vaccine first?  CanSino vaccine (Canadian and Chinese Scientists cooperated) is already being used by China's military, and SinoVac is way ahead as well, presently being tested on humans in Brazil.  China doesn't have to steal American virus research, but of course damning China, closing the Houston consulate, was, and I'm sure Ponteo's Friday speech will be following the O'Donnell Republican guidebook to keep attacking China, be critical of Biden, do NOT be critical of Trump, in order to assure a Trump re-election.  Follow the fold.

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.6  loki12  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.2.5    3 weeks ago
is already being used by China's military, and SinoVac is way ahead as well, presently being tested on humans in Brazil.

So safe that XI is already experimenting Brazilians because he doesn't trust it on his own people? Didn't the Nazi's go to Brazil? maybe that's why he is so comfortable there.  I'm just surprised Xi hasn't  tesedt it on the Uyghurs like Hitler did with the Jews, since they are effectively the same person, I guess he would rather have the slave labor....... The US and Britain's Vaccine is working and it raises t cells. so not only will it protect it will work as a cure in many cases.  I guess that is why Chinese hackers are trying to steal it, because theirs works so well.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.2.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  loki12 @14.2.6    3 weeks ago

My God, the HATRED!!!!   Unbelievable.  Now I can understand the racial unrest in America.

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.8  loki12  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.2.7    3 weeks ago

Saying exactly what Xi Hitler is is now hatred? the only difference between Xi and Hitler is the religion. And there are multiple reports of the Chinese trying to steal a vaccine they are too stupid to develop on their own.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
14.2.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @14.2.8    3 weeks ago
they are too stupid to develop on their own

The only thing that reminds any sane person of Hitler are such comments as your own dripping with racist hate. Are there things about the Chinese government to be critical about? Of course, but that doesn't implicate the Chinese people as somehow inferior as you and racist Trump sycophants have done. It once again proves how important it will be to kick Trumpism to the curb this November as the vast majority of Americans will do.

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.10  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @14.2.9    3 weeks ago

The Chinese government controls the vaccine development, thus they are stupid, I said nothing about the people, glad to see that ethnic cleansing is just something you don’t approve of, Democrats supporters wanted To stay out of the war and refused Jewish people safe harbor, some things never change, we can count on your support for Biden saying African Americans are too stupid to to raise their own children too? Right?

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.11  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @14.2.9    3 weeks ago

I guess there was nothing wrong with the German people not speaking out either by your comment. Sad.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
14.2.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  loki12 @14.2.8    3 weeks ago
"too stupid" ????

And that isn't racist?

What was that about covid vaccine?

China Leads The Worldwide Race To Develop A COVID-19 Vaccine

China is leading the global race in the development of a COVID-19 vaccine. Half of the vaccines that have already gone into clinical trials were discovered by Chinese companies.

And "too stupid" to do this?

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/23/894553356/china-launches-ambitious-mission-to-mars

REALLY stupid people who have to copy, just can't think for themselves ...

How China is leading the world in tech innovation

(and what the West can learn from it)

China has transformed itself from being seen as “the world’s factory” to becoming a hive of technology innovation, with ideas that leapfrog the West

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/connect/better-business/business-solutions/china-technology-innovation/

SOURCES - npr is American, and Telegraph is British, both respectd mainstream sources. 

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.13  loki12  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.2.12    3 weeks ago

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loki12
14.2.14  loki12  replied to  loki12 @14.2.13    3 weeks ago

It appears the Brits and America are leading and China is still trying to steal the technology the communist government lacks the intelligence to develop.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/race-for-coronavirus-vaccine-us-china-oxford-eace8d13-59b6-404f-9dd9-569d00e01f58.html

 
 
 
loki12
14.2.15  loki12  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @14.2.12    3 weeks ago

China is trying to go to Mars? Who cares we have been there for years, I guess it took that long to find a trusted communist member smart enough to figure it the technology they stole to get there.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
14.2.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  loki12 @14.2.6    3 weeks ago

Has anyone even considered the remote(?) possibility that China may have already had a vaccine even before the outbreak of COVID-19 on the world? It would make sense if in fact China was the perpetrator that released virus deliberately. I know folks will say that makes for great fiction and conspiracy theories, but hey stranger things have happened.

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @14.2.16    3 weeks ago

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Buzz of the Orient
14.2.18  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  loki12 @14.2.13    3 weeks ago
"They are lying,"

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loki12
14.2.19  loki12  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @14.2.16    3 weeks ago

They are communists who murder their own and still support slavery, anything is possible with amoral douchebags like Xi.  If he could run here he would be the dems nominee.

 
 
 
Tacos!
15  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

If Democrats would nominate someone with principles and a spine, I would happily vote for them. I side with that party on several important issues. But when a candidate's position keeps swinging around at the whim of whatever is politically trendy this week, I think that makes for a very scary candidate. A leader knows what he or she believes and doesn't throw it away just to buy a few votes.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
15.1  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  Tacos! @15    3 weeks ago
If Democrats would nominate someone with principles and a spine,

They have no excuse, they had 20 some different candidates for the nomination when this all started . So the voice of the democratic parties voters has been heard as to whom they wish to nominate.

 
 
 
Tacos!
15.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1    3 weeks ago
So the voice of the democratic parties voters has been heard as to whom they wish to nominate.

I'm not so sure about that. The voters were going for Bernie. They were also going for lots of different candidates not named Biden. But the party got all those people to quit.

My sense of it is that they had convinced themselves Sanders couldn't beat Trump and they couldn't agree on an alternative. So Biden gets the nomination by default.

Unfortunately, it's hard to tell if he actually stands for anything other than getting elected.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1    3 weeks ago

[deleted]  The Republican Party should have dumped him at some point during this four year atrocity and nominated someone else to run in 2020. Now it is almost too late. 

If by some perverse miracle he should win we will have nothing but 4 MORE years of this daily travesty. 

The man is not mentally or psychologically or morally fit to be the leader of this country. And if it were not for his cult following that does not hold him to a single standard of moral or ethical behavior he would have the lowest approval ratings of all time (he almost does anyway). Stop your delusions before this country is ruined. Support a conservative with honesty and decency and principles. And it sure as hell aint Donald Trump. 

The country cannot withstand much more of the willfull blindness "conservatives' show toward this man's Mt Everest of personal faults and failings. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @15.1.1    3 weeks ago

It is beyond laughable for you to criticize Biden for the sorts of things Trump exudes, only twenty times moreso.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
15.1.4  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.2    3 weeks ago

Barking at the wrong person john , im not a registered republican , let alone a republican at all , in order for me to vote in either parties primaries here I have to register with them. state party rules .

I have currently voted in 10 presidential elections , this one coming up will make 11, and the last 5 I voted 3rd party candidates on the presidential ballot .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.4    3 weeks ago

If you are blase about getting rid of Trump, and I think you are, you are not the wrong person for my comments at all.  He is the worst president in history, and that actually means something. It means we all have a duty to put an end to this asap. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
15.1.6  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.5    3 weeks ago

LOL well In order for you to convince ME to vote against trump , you would have to prove to me the alternative of biden is better which would be an impossible task for you since I already think that vote is NOT in my own best interests  simply from what I have heard him say on the campaign trail .

 And remember it is me , that decides what I think is in my own best self interests , not you or any party. So biden talked himself right out of contention.

 
 
 
loki12
15.1.7  loki12  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.6    3 weeks ago

Any candidate that tells African Americans they are too stupid to raise their own children without white peoples help in 2019 is unfit to be president. Thank you Joe Dementia.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.6    3 weeks ago

I understand. You prefer the worst president in American history.  That is why we fight. ( I don't mean you and me, I mean the American people). 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
15.1.9  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.5    3 weeks ago
If you are blase about getting rid of Trump, and I think you are,

That's possible but you could also be about as wrong as you were that we would be calling Hillary madame president  , but I will not vote for communists , socialists , radical progressives or democrats  or any itinerations or combinations of these  simply just to  change political winds or sate peoples dislike of any particular candidate  either .

I am not a democrat because democrats went farther left than I think

Any progressiveness I have would be classified as a conservative progressive , meaning all people should be treated equally under the law , unfortunately to me the radical progressives have the 200 year old stench of the old democratic party of racism ,prejudice , and bigotry attatched to just about everything they say, they simply switched who to hate and blame for societies and individual  woes .

 socialism? I take that as the social contract of those that make more pay more and those that need more get more , So I effectively divorced myself from said social contract and only pay taxes on what I currently earn which I limit  so that I don't have to pay anything

Communism , LMFAO,  Soviet , Chinese , Cuban communism showed me that I do not nor will I support such a form of government control over individual lives  .Nor do I really know anyone that would like to actually LIVE under such after experiencing freedom .

 So I highly doubt I would be a suitable candidate as an independent to  try and convince to vote for the US democratic ticket since that ticket includes all that I would never vote for .

As stan Lee said , Nuff Said

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
15.1.10  Mark in Wyoming  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.8    3 weeks ago
I understand. You prefer the worst president in American history.

Given the alternatives ?

 well I likely will stick with the worst of the best , all 45 of them , than settle for the best of the worst in my humble opinion.

especially when the worst of the best is still a better choice than the best of the worst.

(dammit I sound like Bilbo saying goodbye at his party)

 we of course agree to disagree.

 
 
 
Tacos!
15.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.3    3 weeks ago
It is beyond laughable for you to criticize Biden for the sorts of things Trump exudes

Which things are you talking about?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
15.1.12  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.2    3 weeks ago

John, you really do need to accept the fact that not all share your sheer unmitigated almost rabid hatred of President Trump! 

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15.1.12    3 weeks ago

Only 72% and it's not rabid hatred.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
15.1.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @15.1.13    3 weeks ago

Prove it please.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
15.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.10    3 weeks ago
"dammit I sound like Bilbo saying goodbye at his party"

But no matter how old Bilbo became, he was always ready to go on a new adventure.  In that respect, he set the example for me. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.1.16  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @15.1.12    3 weeks ago

I don't hate Donald Trump at all. He's not fit, at all, in any way, to lead this country as president of the United States. Have you seen the movie Idiocracy?  This is Idiocracy in action real life. 

He should resign today. But whats worse is that supposedly reasonable people want to sign up for four more years of this insanity by voting for him AGAIN ! 

It is the most absurd thing I have ever seen.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
15.1.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.16    2 weeks ago

"I don't hate Donald Trump at all."  Sorry, but you sure could have fooled me and lot of others here on NT!

 
 
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