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How Do You Usually Access NT?

  

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By:  perrie-halpern  •  4 years ago  •  112 comments

How Do You Usually Access NT?
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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1  JohnRussell    4 years ago

ham radio. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

LOL

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
1.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 years ago

I use mental telepathy but as I get older the signal is fading a bit

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
1.2  TTGA  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago
ham radio.

John, does it come with eggs and hash browns??????

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TTGA @1.2    4 years ago

Good one. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.3  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

With trepidation.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
PhD Guide
1.4  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 years ago

Me, too, JohnRussell, I have a Ham and it talks to me!  For an NYC minute, I thought I was nuts. Now, I know it is you.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
2  Tacos!    4 years ago

Carrier Pigeon.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @2    4 years ago

So are dinosaurs next on the list of animals you are going to resurrect. I'm impressed.

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
2.1.1  TTGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1    4 years ago

Perrie, you're thinking of Passenger Pigeons, which are extinct.  Plenty of carrier pigeons around.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TTGA @2.1.1    4 years ago

Ah yes, you are right TTGA. 

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
PhD Guide
2.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Tacos! @2    4 years ago

Hey, watch that! - Jonathan Livingston Pigeon-Poo, "Doctored"

Carrier Pigeon fought along with soldiers in both WWI and WWII. They are heroes. Isn't it enough that you Right Wingers's POS in the White House denigrate Veterans, now, you have to do the same with Carrier Pigeon?

Have you no decency?

I am asking, because I don't, either, and I thought maybe, just maybe, we could "hook-up."

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3  Kavika     4 years ago

Smoke Signals.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @3    4 years ago

Do you have a lot of wood or do you have it delivered?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1    4 years ago

I have it delivered. 

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
3.1.2  TTGA  replied to  Kavika @3.1.1    4 years ago

Is that the special deal from Logs R Us??

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
3.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kavika @3    4 years ago
Smoke Signals.

Ha!!!!!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.2.1  Gsquared  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2    4 years ago

Isn't that the funniest?  So great.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Gsquared  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2    4 years ago

Isn't that the funniest?  So great.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
PhD Guide
3.2.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.2    4 years ago

Who asked, you, Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom?  Of all people, you should know better. I don't, but, you should.  Shame, Shame, Shame!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.3  Gsquared  replied to  Kavika @3    4 years ago

That is hilarious.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
3.4  Gsquared  replied to  Kavika @3    4 years ago

That is hilarious!

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4  evilone    4 years ago

Normally by my laptop using Chrome. I have on a rare occasion used my iPhone (also using Chrome), but it doesn't work as well for me to post.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilone @4    4 years ago

Can you explain why it doesn't work well for you and what you would like to changed to make it easier to use?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.1.1  evilone  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1    4 years ago

For some time it just wouldn't work. I don't think it was setup before for dynamic html so the formatting was off and I had issues getting logged in.  Now as I'm thinking about it and looking at it - it looks much better and probably usable. But because I'm normally always here during the day while I'm I'm on my laptop though... 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  evilone @4.1.1    4 years ago
 I don't think it was setup before for dynamic html so the formatting was off and I had issues getting logged in.  Now as I'm thinking about it and looking at it - it looks much better and probably usable. 

That was very helpful info. Thanks!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
PhD Guide
4.1.3  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1    4 years ago

GRAMMATICAL MISTAKE!  That is ONE ticket for you, Perrie!

."..what you would like to changed to make it easier to use?"

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
4.2  Freewill  replied to  evilone @4    4 years ago
I have on a rare occasion used my iPhone (also using Chrome), but it doesn't work as well for me to post.

I too will use my IPhone from time to time, but using the Safari web browser.  The user interface was recently (maybe 2-3 months ago?) improved tremendously and now it is fairly easy to reply to comments and post from the phone.  If I have links to add though, that gets a bit tricky, but not impossible.  It is MUCH better than it was.  However, it won't stay logged in so I have to sign in again each time.  

Still I prefer working from my laptop, using Chrome.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freewill @4.2    4 years ago

Good info there Freewill. Thanks.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5  devangelical    4 years ago

primary - home wifi

secondary - cell wifi hotspot

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @5    4 years ago

primary - laptop

secondary - tablet/cell

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  devangelical @5.1    4 years ago

Wow, I love you defaults! Also a tablet user!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
6  Bob Nelson    4 years ago

Windows or Android. I've just switched from Firefox to Opera on both OSs. Two speed-dial icons, to the FP and to Be Reasonable! (Along with sites like Amazon, ... ) 

My Windows machine is a small-form-factor Ryzen 5 that I assembled last month. My tablet is a Huawei. So is my phone.

I have lots of subscriptions, via RSS and email, whose headlines I skim all day, reading maybe 25-30 in detail. The next morning, I post the articles I found most interesting. That happens on the Windows machine, where it's easier to work with multiple windows. In the evening, the tablet competes with the TV, NT being among the sites I spend the most time on.

I rarely consult NT on my phone. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    4 years ago

OK, so you are one of our tablet users. Good to know. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
6.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 years ago

Yes. Not much for seeding - Android doesn't handle multiple windows very well. Seeding requires:
- the Original Article (usually a browser tab), 
- more browser tabs, for searching whatever,
- an image editor, 
- a text editor (for my store of gifs and html).

OTOH, for browsing from my recliner, in front of the TV.... a tablet is a "comfortable" solution. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
7  Split Personality    4 years ago

5 year old Dell PC w/multiple monitors and almost always on FireFox

NT is on two laptops which I rarely use because they are slow, smaller screens and sometimes no functionality at all on Chrome.

Edge is not much better.

Phone?  What are you kidding?  We don't do internet on the phone. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
7.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Split Personality @7    4 years ago

Huawei updated last year's P30Pro (which is still eligible for Google updates) and dropped the price to €700. Its camera is among the best.

The screen is 6.5" OLED, LOTS of pixels. So it's a tad bigger than a Kindle, and perfectly apt as an e-reader. It's not big enough for web browsing to be comfortable, but it's not horrible, either.

It's dual-SIM, which is nice for people who live on two continents. That means there's no SD card, but there's 128 Go intern, which should be enough. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @7    4 years ago

Why firefox?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
7.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.2    4 years ago

Between moderating and advertising the others were more glitchy, but FF has developed some tics also

and whenever I get "Bad Post" or error communicating with the server, I just reset FF.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
7.2.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @7.2.1    4 years ago

OK Now I understand.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Split Personality @7.2.1    4 years ago

AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

That might be a solution for me

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
8  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    4 years ago

Osmosis.

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
9  Freewill    4 years ago

Typically a series of keystrokes and the click of a bookmark in my web browser.  It's bordering on magic. 

I have a bot working on a back door, but I will stop short of a full-on DNS attack.  Don't tell TiG I said that!   (-:

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freewill @9    4 years ago

Shooooosh... it will remain our secret! 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
10  Gsquared    4 years ago

ESP

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
10.1  Freewill  replied to  Gsquared @10    4 years ago
ESP

Eastern State Penitentiary?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
10.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Freewill @10.1    4 years ago

Extra Sensory Perception.   

I knew you were going to say that...

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
10.1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Gsquared @10.1.1    4 years ago

Hilarious exchange!

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
10.1.3  Freewill  replied to  Gsquared @10.1.1    4 years ago
I knew you were going to say that...

jrSmiley_28_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
11  pat wilson    4 years ago

Desktop IMac. Sometimes my Iphone but I don't like trying using the phone for NT.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  pat wilson @11    4 years ago

What don't you like about using your Iphone for NT and how could it be better?

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
11.1.1  pat wilson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    4 years ago

It's not NT, it's the smallness of the screen.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @11.1.1    4 years ago

I'm with you. I don't do anything on my phone except call and text. An occasional Candy Crush game. I honestly don't know how people can glue themselves to their phones all day

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Almost exclusively with my iPhone XS and safari with unlimited data or WiFi.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
12.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @12    4 years ago

What would make it easier for you to use your iPhone?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @12.1    4 years ago

Not sure.  It’s reasonably easy to navigate for the most part.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13  Texan1211    4 years ago

Laptop and phone occasionally.

Harder to do on phone.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
13.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @13    4 years ago

What makes it harder to use on the phone?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1    4 years ago

my fat fingers!!

not a technical issue. just never texted much. so typing is way harder and slower

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
13.1.2  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @13.1.1    4 years ago

So, you are above the age of 35, LOL. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
13.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.2    4 years ago

61!!

But I have had the fat fingers forever!

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
13.1.4  Freewill  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1    4 years ago
What makes it harder to use on the phone?

A condition known as "hot dog fingers".

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Junior Guide
13.1.5  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Texan1211 @13.1.1    4 years ago

Yes... tiny hands and fingers have advantages when it comes to cell phones and working on modern cars. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Junior Guide
13.1.6  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1.2    4 years ago

I'm over 35, but I have teenagers that text me like crazy, so I've gotten quite good at texting... oh and I got an IPhone 11, which has a much larger screen than the iPhone SE (same size as a 5).

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
14  Raven Wing    4 years ago

I use my desktop - HP Slimline - Model: s5-1205z

Windows 7

Chrome

I also use it on my HP laptop - z6000

Window 7

Chrome

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
15  TᵢG    4 years ago

Good information.

Normally it is good to assume that people will use their mobile devices to stay in touch while going about their daily business.   When they have something complex to do, they would go to their desktop (or a pad with today's pads).   The smaller the screen size, the less one can do in a single step.

NT on the desktop will thus always have the most functionality.   A mobile version of NT should have only the essential functionality that is used most of the time while away from one's desktop.   It should allow the mobile user to conveniently do the most common mobile tasks and not be cluttered with functionality that is sporadically used or inappropriate for a small screen.

To wit ...

What is the most critical functionality to put on a mobile version of NT?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
15.1  TᵢG  replied to  TᵢG @15    4 years ago

No takers?

Okay, if we can only put three major functions on a mobile device (not true, this is hypothetical) which three would you choose?

When you go to NT on your mobile device, which three major functions would you pick?

For example:

  • Recent Articles
  • Article presentation with commenting
  • Tracker
  • Trending articles
  • Collection of your articles
  • Publishing a new original article
  • Seeding a new article using Fetch
  • Recent Comments
  • Contributors
  • Group list
  • Group moderation / administration
  • Member list
  • Photo gallery
  • User settings
  • Friends
  • History (articles, comments)
  • Bookmark list
  • ...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
15.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @15.1    4 years ago

I'm using Opera on my (Android) phone to make this Comment.

It’s a big screen... thank goodness... because the keyboard takes  the lower third of it... and NT's editing icons take the top third.

Obviously, I cannot refer to the Comment to which I'm Replying, without scrolling, which is a pain.

I'm not sure of any better solution. A smaller keyboard would be hard to use. I'm a pretty heavy user of NT's editing options, so I wouldn't want them reduced.

This is "Opera for Android", the same app as the tablet, but locked in "portrait withmmobile UI" whereas the tablet is locked in "landscape with desktop UI". My three devices sync all their browser data. (There's another Opera, called "Opera Touch" which has a less cluttered interface... but can't sync!)

One annoyance: the "navigation rose" takes up much too much of the screen.

Even with the "mobile UI", Opera gives all of NT's site, in a vertical scroll. 

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
15.1.2  Freewill  replied to  TᵢG @15.1    4 years ago

I'll be your huckleberry...

1.  Seeding a new article using Fetch

2.  Tracker

3.  Recent Comments

 
 
 
Freewill
Junior Quiet
15.1.3  Freewill  replied to  Bob Nelson @15.1.1    4 years ago
I cannot refer to the Comment to which I'm Replying, without scrolling, which is a pain.

^^ What he said ^^

Although will be tough to remedy on a small screen.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
15.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @15.1.1    4 years ago

OK... now I'm using my Windows machine...

Since the "Opera for Android locked in portrait, with Mobile UI" (wow, what a mouthful!) is a pretty good "phone" experience already, perhaps the most useful approach is: "Which pages do we use most?" 

For me, that would be: 
 1 Tracker
 2 Tracker / Articles
 3 Front Page ("Home") / "Trending" (I don't often use the other sections of the Front Page, but that's just a question of their position in the FP's vertical scroll stack, not of whether or not they should be present.)

 1a Speed-dial direct access to Be Reasonable!'s home page, for the "Create New Discussion" button.
      (I use the same access when posting to some other Group - "Herding Cats" or "Discovery".)
 2a "Create Article As A Group Discussion" text-entry form

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
15.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @15.1    4 years ago

Tracker, recent comments, recent articles, if I were limited to 3.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Junior Guide
15.1.6  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  TᵢG @15.1    4 years ago

I'm going to make it a far simpler answer...

I would want to read replies / comments and be able to read articles. From my phone... I doubt I would want to publish anything. However, I might want to be able to upload and post pictures I've got on my phone. Oh... I would like to be able to get to my private notes too. I'm pretty simple really.

If I wanted to get really fancy, I could mirror my phone to my TV and plug my keyboard into my TV. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
Professor Participates
15.1.7  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  TᵢG @15.1    4 years ago

All of the above except Group list, members list, bookmarks list, contributors, and Collection of your articles list

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
15.1.8  Raven Wing  replied to  TᵢG @15.1    4 years ago

The three I would choose:

  • Publishing a new original article
  • Seeding a new article using Fetch
  • Bookmark list
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
17  sandy-2021492    4 years ago

Desktop usually.  Phone sometimes during the day.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
17.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17    4 years ago

What is the most critical functionality to put on a mobile version of NT?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
17.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @17.1    4 years ago

I really don't have much trouble using NT on my phone.  I'd say the only thing that's tough to do is publish, due to the difficulty of copying and pasting on my phone.  I'm not sure there's a way around that.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
17.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17.1.1    4 years ago

Very little since it is Apple that controls that behavior.   I personally hate the way iOS select/copy/paste works on the iPhone.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
17.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @17.1.2    4 years ago

I figured as much.  My phone is an Android, but I think the C&P works about the same either way.  Tough to work around the OS.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
Professor Participates
18  Citizen Kane-473667    4 years ago

By computer most of the time because it doesn't display properly on my Android smart phone. I use Firefox as a browser 99.99% of the time because of less tracking than Chrome or Bing. I would use my phone more if it worked right and therefore be able to spend more time here because I have to be at home with downtime to play on my laptop to view and use the site properly.  An app would be GREAT!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
18.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @18    4 years ago

CK,

What would make it easier for you, on your phone? What is hard for you to do?

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
19  TTGA    4 years ago

Hmmm.  Thought I had put mine on here.  Oh well.  Strictly on a PC.  Windows 10 and Firefox.  My phone is still a flip phone.  May seem old fashioned but that phone has been run over by a pick up truck and still functions perfectly.  I don't think too many smart phones can do that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
19.1  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TTGA @19    4 years ago

No, you wrote your comment in the area under the actual poll.

 
 
 
TTGA
Professor Silent
19.1.1  TTGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @19.1    4 years ago

Ahhh, found it there.  Flip phone thing is still true but I did find out the hard way that they are not waterproof.  Fell out of a boat about ten years ago.  Cost me fifty bucks to replace it at the Verizon store.jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
21  Bob Nelson    4 years ago

There are now several browsers that have VPNs built-in. This allows anonymous browsing, using a spoofed address. 

Lots of sites are geo-locked. For example, from France many US sites are inaccessible. With a VPN spoofing a US address, pas de problème

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
23  author  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 years ago

Hi, I am reviving this old article to tell everyone about some new changes to the mobile version of NT. 

If you would like to try it, please contact me on how to do this. It is still in beta. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
23.1  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @23    4 years ago

Basically the Beta site shows a new mobile version of NT.   The non-mobile version can still be accessed by going into your setting and deselecting use of the mobile version.

The mobile version does not have all the features of the full site but it has the vast majority of them.   The key is that the presentation has been customized to the tiny screens of mobile devices.

 
 

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