Republicans in U.S. Senate block probe of Capitol riot

Are Americans ready to elect arse-licking cowards in 2022 ... we shall see?

Still haven't figured out what is to "probe"? A bunch of morons got all riled up prior to the inauguration. Decided to protest the certification of the federal election. Went to DC to do just that. Decided to go all batshit crazy and storm (used loosely if one is open and sees the lack of resistance even thought days prior there was intelligence pointing to some sort of violence) the Capital building and in the process, a person got shot, several people were injured including some LEO's and unfortunately a couple died due to natural causes the next day. I guess we could say "induced by their actions" to resist but that's open for debate. (Remember how long we were kept in the dark about officer Sicknick's cause of death......doesn't take much to figure out why) and some lawmakers got scared shitless. It happened unfortunately and there is nothing that can erase that shitty day. I must ask, is there some nefarious "theory" about what and who may have been at the forefront of the actions? Well I think many MANY on the left would like that to be so.

Just my $.02

a couple died due to natural causes the next day. I guess we could say "induced by their actions" to resist but that's open for debate.

Of course, you're here to "debate" it with an open mind. (Which is why you brought it up, I reckon it.) Color me, skeptical.

Senator Mitch McConnell, called in GOP senator "personal favors" to shitcan this commission vote. He is personally responsible for this "shitty day" commission vote. But, you are not "ready and able" to discuss Senator McConnell. So let me bring this up at this point:

What GOP "Leader" McConnell did with this vote makes him Kentucky 'trash' to my mind.

How about it? What say you, Jim?

"MANY on the left would like that to be so."

Many on the Right would not like that to be so,

Just my $.05 Cdn.

Still haven't figured out what is to "probe"?

This is the epitome of willful ignorance.  The reaction to the insurrection was to hobble any manner of support to the poor souls left to defend the capital against a violent mob.  I guess Republicans are scared that voters will see exactly how they held the door open for them.

Well I think many MANY on the left would like that to be so.

The "Left" had nothing to do with the GOP "Big Lie," the Left did not convene on the Capitol grounds January 6, the Left had not part in Brian Sicknick's death or his mother showing up months later at the Capitol pleading in her son's name (to tin-ear republicans), and Trump who won't give this country a break from behind the 'veil'. Jim, go find the villain in plain sight and throw some 'cold water' in GOP political faces!

I say it is a stupid fucking pursuit of another "there's no there, there". Nothing will change. The pussies in the Capital got their brand spanking new fence (some would call it a wall but remember, walls don't work) to keep any undesirables out. Haven't seen any figures lately but I am sure we still have National Guard there patrolling. And they want to instigate another tiring witch hunt which ultimately will bare no fruit. For what? NOTHING will bring anyone who lost their lives back. Nor will this circus change the fact that nearly 500 people who "participated" and have been identified and indicted (in some cases) will have a scar for life on their life due to their own idiocy. It sucks that anyone lost their lives either directly or indirectly from this but wasting time trying to figure out "what happened" when it is right in front of our faces and that of the world, isn't a good look............

And if you would like some "culpability" as another member put it, shall we start here?

newsweek

"Prior to entering the Capitol building, Sullivan can be seen using a microphone to address the crowd outside and yelling "we about to burn this s**t down" before leading the crowd in a chant of "it's time for a revolution,"   FBI   Special Agent Matthew Foulger said in an affidavit.

Sullivan also filmed himself assisting those who were climbing up walls to get to the plaza just outside the Capitol Building entrance, telling them "You guys are f*****g savage. Let's go!"

January 6, the Left had not part in Brian Sicknick's death o

That's a big lie of the left.  The House Democrats even claimed during the impeachment hearings that he was murdered.  

go find the villain in plain sight

 See 1.2.5

Jim, we were both on NV ... how many Benghazi witch hunts did we go through? You'll get your turn again one day.

Thought that was pretty much evened up with the Trump collusion, Ukraine, he left the toilet seat up hearings we had to endure because........well he wasn't supposed to win and upset the apple cart better known as the cushy state of life in DC.

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I say it is a stupid fucking pursuit of another "there's no there, there". Nothing will change.

Where is the interest in, "lessons learned"?  Governments everywhere, hold best practices investigations to determine where failures, wastes,  and 'diminishing returns' are their systems. Moreover, such actions are supported far and wide throughout systems. Why not explore "lessons learned" here and now?

Nor will this circus change the fact that nearly 500 people who "participated" and have been identified and indicted (in some cases) will have a scar for life on their life due to their own idiocy.

So what if its 500 plus? Let me be blunt: those citizens in the thousands went to the Capitol to interrupt the lawful proceeding regarding a presidential election and had they gotten away or their way with it our government control would look demonstratively different than it does right now.

Jim, you can "poo-poo" it, dumb it down, play it down, or delude yourself into thinking that quenching this insurrection activity executed by low men and women on the protest "totem pole" - is enough, but I know better.

The culprits who led this insurrection attempt continue to unrelentingly attack our capitol building occupants and want another 'go' at our government systems and infrastructure. Those leaders need to be wholly discovered, exposed to the public, contained, and purged!

Facts are facts. When we know better we can all, and I do mean all, can SAY and DO better. So Sean, keep up already? OKAY?? Brian Sicknick died in part as a consequence of the January 6, 2021 action - you can't prove different despite a recalcitrance on the issue.

And one more thing, don't  address me as if you have no experiential understanding of how exertion(s), excitement(s), and causal factors work in and on a human body. We, people of a certain age, all understand too well (and we have doctors who explain satisfactorily) what stress is and does to our cells/body.

I won't waste good time on bull patty talking point peripherals.

@1.2.12.

This was the biggest threat this country has ever seen, and as predicted, it came from inside, where the fissure originated the divide driven by a Jockey playing pornstar tonsil hockey with his whores, cause the GOP is so impure and the cause for the need for a cure, Asz the GOP infection due to a duly elected not stolen election, has done more damage than a damn pandemicratic Covid 19 could ever hope to achieve. . . .

I could not say it better. Emphatically!

hey Charger, "no Value" to who ? Who exactly decides what has value, as everyone has different scales due to so many species of fish. If the seeder decided, i'll take my tongue and bide it, but post certainly had bearing and supported the seeded article, but weight, cannot always remove the dense from a stripped mine, ore, so i've found, after searching many a stripped mind, that i don't...

Don't be upset, iggy... Some of your posts require thought. That's beyond some members' capacity. 

so, due to comprehension disabilities, i can't be right bout what i write, cause i'mk a writer of wrongs, or so i've been told

... euh...  ...  ... 

eggs zactlee

Still haven't figured out what is to "probe"?

Are you trying to say that you feel that "Blue Lives Don't Matter"?

Due to the lesser value than an American nickel, maybe you should make it a dime Cdn.

Wow.... I'm really confused now....  This was the perfect opportunity for Republicans to investigate and bring to light all the "left-wingers" responsible for the 6JAN21 Capitol Riots...

54% of Republicans say ‘violet left-wing activists’ behind Jan. 6 | Politics | The Christian Post

Boy, Talk about opportunity waisted.....

Good observation!

I know right? Apparently the DoJ is having a hell of a time rooting out all those left wing antagonists, seems like they need all the help they can get.

I don't ever want to hear how the Republicans/conservatives back the police. About 150 cops injured in the "days festivities" but we can't have an investigation into what was behind it? If this had happened at a BLM demonstration they would be calling for people's heads. 

so the DOJ isn't looking into it anymore?

out 150 cops injured in the "days festivities" but we can't have an investigation into what was behind it?

How many investigations have democrats supported into what was behind the riots that injured thousands of cops this summer?

The attention seeking and virtue signaling Dems already know what's behind it....

Trump done went and riled up a bunch of bumpkins, a handful of whom went bat shit crazy and ran amuck amongst the hallowed halls of Congress. An unarmed female vet who was simply trespassing was shot and killed in cold blood, but her murderer got off scot-free.

The left is just trying to make political points out of the event

An unarmed female vet who was simply trespassing was shot and killed in cold blood, but her murderer got off scot-free.

Excuse me? How do you know veteran Ashli Babbit was unarmed? What does it matter anyway? She was uninvited to the chamber, there was a dangerous riot in process, and she was warned to stand down and not breach the capitol any further. And what did she do?

She stood her STUPID ASS UP in front of a law enforcement officer's gun at the threshold of a locked and barred capitol chamber and tried to press through. Thus, she was justifiable shot. Furthermore, her actions could have caused a worse situation: A 'hail of bullets' to fall on the assemblage on her side of the conflict! Thankfully, a single shot was all.

And for the record, a VET knows how to take lawful orders/commands. What the "F" was her problem that day?! Try to explain that GJ! And I take exception to your partisan bull patty to see a single white female being shot and killed by a "murderer" when in the capitol of the United States staging an insurrection, but when it happens to minorities on the streets of this country you back it as justified law enforcement activity.

You're naked and exposed and I will always see you from now on.

An unarmed female vet who was simply trespassing was shot and killed in cold blood, but her murderer got off scot-free.

Yes-- yet another reason why we need a real investigation!

They were just tourists, sadly the big bad FBI has arrested and charged 495 of those innocent tourists. /s 

They were just tourists, sadly the big bad FBI has arrested and charged 495 of those innocent tourists. /s 

Maybe the FBI are all actual... "Socialists"?

Controlled by ...CHINA!

(I think y'all know exactly which country I'm talking about!!!):

(If there's even any hin t of that...we need a competent Commission to investigate that-- not a hodge podge of capture and release of a few alleged perps in various jurisdictions, large and small!!

Let's face it-- with the way these so-called "investigations" have been so far-- I wouldn't be surprised if a hundred or more Secret Insurrectionist Chinese Agents from the Insurrection are being released opon our streets as we speak!

Keep that up and soon everyone will think that it was the Chinese who invaded the Capital building - I'm sure that would be more palatable to a lot of people, some of them posting here.

Why can't the DOJ do the investigation?  The R's, some of them complicit in the riot, should not have a say in this.

Nothing saying the DOJ can't go ahead that I know of. Only thing this was saying is "we don't need no stinking commission to probe" as far as I can see..........could be wrong but I don't think they have to wait for Congressional approval to do so. Just like none of us have to have permission from Uncle Sugar to celebrate Independence Day.

Besides the ongoing FBI criminal investigations, the DOJ  is investigating. So are Senate subcommittees. So are numerous House  subcommittees. Pelosi has said she will move forward with a broader investigation in addition to the four House investigations already taking place. The IG for the Pentagon has launched an investigation. . So has the IG for the Capitol Police. 

Who is Uncle Sugar?  Who is stopping you from celebrating July 4th?

The truest commissions work when they can take the politics out and get pass the criminal aspects and consider everything possible to know about what happened in a given set of events and why it happened. Also, commission "officials" are routinely former, not active, government officials who are APPOINTED for a specific purpose. That is, the most partisan 'elements' are left out on purpose!

Just Jim and Sean...quit fucking replying to me as you are on ignore.  Go cry to your mothers because I don't give a shit what you have to say...GOT IT!?!?!

If they are on ignore, what possible difference could it make to you who they respond to?

Any r who is against the commission IS COMPLICIT.

Nothing surprising about any of this. The Republicans and conservatives in general dont want to investigate Jan 6th for fear they will learn even more incriminating information about their god and hero Donald Trump. 

They also have their heart set on tying the Jan 6th insurrection to the racial justice "riots" of the previous summer. 

Imagine if the Democrats had said we will only investigate Benghazi if we can also, in the same investigation look into white militia activity in the United States.  It would sound absurd, and so does the Republican demands about this investigation into Jan 6. 

The good news though is that now the Democrats can use this against the GOP in the midterm elections. 

The Republican New Fascist Party does not want the American people to pay any attention to their attempt to overthrow the government on January Sixth.

"Nothing to see!"... "Look elsewhere!"... "Oh, look! A squirrel!"

This should yield ads for the next two years: images of the insurgents with voiceover from "leaders" of the Republican New Fascist Party explaining that it was nothing. A new ad every week...

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell has argued that the commission would duplicate work done by other congressional committees, as well as a sweeping federal criminal investigation that has so far has resulted in the arrests of more than 440 people.

I mean, those are legitimate points, are they not? Now, I could see the proposed commission replacing the work being done in committees, but why duplicate it?

And do we suddenly not trust the FBI to get at the truth?

I can see other potential issues that Congress specifically could address, like Capitol security. But unless there is some reason - probable cause, if you like - to investigate something else or devote more resources to this, I don’t think I have heard of it. I’m not opposed to a commission as a general matter, but we shouldn’t have one just so members of Congress can score some points.

Why do we have any other special or independent investigations, since DOJ and FBI are able to do the work? Because, the truest commissions work when they can take the politics out and get pass the criminal aspects and consider everything possible to know about what happened and why it happened.

Because, the truest commissions work when they can take the politics out

I agree, but do you have the impression that the proposed commission would take politics out of the investigation, or is it more likely to put it in?

get pass the criminal aspects and consider everything possible to know about what happened and why it happened.

There might be some value to that. I assume the existing commissions are already looking at non-criminal aspects. If they aren’t, they’re probably a waste of resources.

Tacos! (I feel ya on the thoughts, I really do) I am not a D.C. personality, person, or political operative of any kind. Because of that, I don't know how well a commission will work. I do remember that "D.C." was proud of its 9/11 commission bi-partisanship and that is what I have to go on. That and the fact that commissions are usually former pols, other experts, and officials.

Here's the thing, we all have to want the truth and nothing but the truth for any of this to work!

There have been commissions that have done good work. The 9/11 commission as you point out, of course. I suppose the OG gold standard commission is the one that investigated the JFK assassination.

I would be curious about how much internet organization was behind the riot - like those QAnon people. Maybe that’s the kind of thing where only Congress would have access to some of the information? I truly don’t know.

I also want to know why security was sooooo lame.

The questions seem wide ranging enough in their issues that some kind of more generalized inquiry - like a Congressional commission - is justified.

My fear, though, given the political dynamic, is that it will just be about campaigning against Trump ahead of 2024. However you feel about Trump being president again (something I do not favor) I think that kind of approach wouldn’t really serve the country. The inquiry needs to be focused and needs to be seen to be non-partisan and non-political.

I assume the existing commissions are already looking at non-criminal aspects.

What commissions are those? 

Let me be blunt. I despise Donald Trump and personally feel he is the 'whitest trash' personality that I have ever encountered. Real deal: I used to admire Donald Trump as a television and "readable" myth/personality, before I got raw 'exposure' to the man-itself. (Apparently, he really does not care what others think about him living or future tense.)

And to be clear, I love white people, know your/white people's 'worth,' and nearly married one of your 'sons' and will go to my grave knowing that KIND of attraction and love.

Donald Trump is a reprobate who wants what does not belong to him in the worst way. Donald Trump ruins lives, individuals, careers, dreams, and aspirations of a nation. And lastly, he has caused the death of many people due to his "combat" over Covid-19 when we could have used calm leadership over 'rebellion.' Trump only knows how to "deconstruct" before a large gathering and rebuilt "monuments' as corrupt and stupid-looking and sounding as himself!

That being said, we have seen what Washington, D.C. conservatives do on congressional investigative committees and that is undermine sound purposes with all manners of distracting displays. I won't belabor this: You have seen and heard about those presentations and shenanigans undertaken.

We need truth. We should want truth. I don't know why some honest and regular "aw shucks" corn-cob eating 'Americans' wouldn't want truth. Whatever gets us to the whole truth and nothing but the truth - I desire that in a committee's "lessons learned" above all else!

I don't know why some honest and regular "aw shucks" corn-cob eating 'Americans' wouldn't want truth. 

They adore Trump. TRUMP IS TRUTH. 

I can tell you where I think Donald Trump is coming from as a positive perspective:

Trump is an original frontier' spirit in which you see something you want and you go 'fetch' that thing unto yourself.

Donald Trump is that  calculating spirit of 'man' that considers this country "OPEN" for taking by strong-willed men and women who love a challenge of knocking up, making sparks, and generating tense friction (fires?) against others.

Donald Trump is that pioneering spirit and it is found in his followers too - who see this country not as a home per se but as the land where he/they can go to overthrow and derive booty (plunder) to enjoy to their hearts contentment wherever they 'light' and settle down in the world.

Problem for Donald and cadre is this:

The frontier of the United States has been concluded.

We have Rule of Law ideology and Case laws to boot.

This is our 'only' permanent dwelling place as citizens of the great 'experiment' in national democracy.

So Donald is a SOB for being a slob that disregards those around him-not like him- who arduously continue to work to better "Home."

It is not that I don't understand what Donald Trump and his supporters are TRYING TO BE to this country ("Robber barons") . . . I get it. It is just that what they want is out of step with the times!

So your 'commissions' are as non-existent as your reply. 

What commissions are those? 

I meant to write “committees,” not “commissions.” CB and I were talking about both and the words are similar. Hope that clears things up. I don’t how much you read of these threads before commenting, but if you look at @7, you can see that I used the word “committee” there.

Now, I could see the proposed commission replacing the work being done in committees, but why duplicate it?

What makes you so sure they will duplicate it?

(Do you believe everything you see on Fox News?)

Fox News?

Do you have links (from reliable sources?) to prove your assumption?

Now, I could see

You realize, don't you, that just because you could see....something happening...that doesn't means its true?

(Or do you actually not realize that????)

Curious minds want to know!

So based on the standard set by the House GOP, the Speaker should seat a House Select Committee on the Jan. 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. As with the Select Committee on Benghazi, the Speaker sets the membership AND unlike the bill the GOP just blocked, the inquiry won't have a deadline. So instead of filing a report by the end of 2021, the Select Committee can drag it out for at lease as long as the 2 year  Benghazi 'investigation'. I suggest that the best time to release the report is about October 2022. Of course, during the investigation they can leak all they want, have a plethora of news conferences and refer criminal acts to the DOJ. 

I'd love to own the popcorn concession for Trump's 11 HOURS of testimony. 

Cool idea. 

When creating the Select Committee, they should duplicate the Benghazi Committee's mandate and rules. Sauce for the gander.. 

I'd love to own the popcorn concession for Trump's 11 HOURS of testimony. 

I wonder if he will comply...and actually testify?

Doesn't a person who is served with a supboena HAVE to testify, or be detained?  Of course they could plead the 5th for every question.

Republicans in the U.S. Senate on Friday derailed a bipartisan inquiry into the deadly assault on the Capitol by former President Donald Trump's supporters

The party of treason doesn't want an official, bipartisan report showcasing the incitement of some in their own party, and the complicity of many others. They especially don't want it dragging out and affecting the midterms.

Fucking scumbags. Especially McConnell, maybe the most evil, bad-faith politician in American history.

Meanwhile, Trump continues peddling the Big Lie, the idiotic Arizona fraudit continues, Marjorie Taylor Greene stands by comparing mask requirements (the point of which was to save lives) to the Holocaust, and Matt Gaetz actually calls for gun violence against "the internet's hall monitors out in Silicon Valley."

Keep it up, anti-Republicans. One of these days this bullshit is going to boil over, and you might just get the reckoning you deserve.

"One of these days this bullshit is going to boil over, and you might just get the reckoning you deserve."

Which I predict will happen in November of 2022,  What truly amuses me is that the Republicans have just established that censorship for the purpose of saving their OWN ass is no different than what they criticize the CCP for. 

White privilege (in ACTION).

I wish somebody would try to tell me that if Black and Other minorities had been sitting in the 'well' of a window in the nation's capitol law enforcement would be trying to 'talk them down.' Look at this picture White Conservative America - you know you have liberty in excess when you can do this and go home in peace at the end of the day.

Can you 'see' the conservative with the bat? Can you find the conservative holding an office drawer? (Now where did that come from (not his home)?) Special liberty (for Whites) on display.

"White privilege"????

LMAO!

Yeah, the image itself is so. . . over-the-top ridiculous in that these mobsters (in the frame) are actually GIANTS, or nearly all of them are standing on something (ladders? Chairs? Boxes?), or else these yahoos found a 'low ceiling door entryway' on the building to breach! Which is it, Texan?

I mean, white mobsters are literally sitting in a window of the Capitol building on a work day, and nary a projectile 'sent' out in hot pursuit was fired (in their direction)!

White Privilege all the way.

White Privilege all the way.

Now I just think you are trying to entertain me.

It worked!

Still LMAO!

They're really antifa. 

Now, I am LMAO! These Trump losers can't even own their riot! Some Trumpsters are 'trash.'