Texas Democrats Prevent Republicans From Passing Restrictive Voting Bill

  

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Texas Democrats Prevent Republicans From Passing Restrictive Voting Bill
A restrictive voting bill that was on the verge of reaching Gov. Greg Abbott's desk failed to pass after Democrats walked out of the House chamber before a midnight deadline.

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AUSTIN, Texas—Texas Democrats pulled off a dramatic, last-ditch walkout in the state House of Representatives on Sunday night to block passage of one of the most restrictive voting bills in the U.S., leaving Republicans with no choice but to abandon a midnight deadline and declare the legislative session over.

The revolt is one of Democrats' biggest protests to date against nationwide GOP efforts to impose stricter election laws and they used the spotlight to urge President Biden to act on voting rights.

But the victory may be fleeting: Republican Gov. Greg Abbott, who had declared new voting laws a priority in Texas, said he would call for a special session to finish the job. He called the failure of the bill "deeply disappointing" but didn't say when he would bring lawmakers back to work.

"We've said for so many years that we want more people to participate in our democracy. And it just seems that's not the case," Democratic state Rep. Carl Sherman said.

One by one, Democrats left the House chamber until there was no longer the 100-member quorum needed to pass Senate Bill 7, which would have reduced polling hours, empowered poll watchers and scaled back ways to vote in Texas, which already has some of the nation's strictest voting laws.

They gathered later outside a Black church, driving home their anger over a last-minute change to the bill that would have prohibited Sunday voting before 1 p.m., when many Black worshipers go to the polls. Democrats said they didn't go into the vote intending to break quorum, but instead became fed up after Republicans repeatedly refused to take their questions while racing to pass the bill.

It was an stunning turnabout from just 24 hours earlier, when the bill seemed all but guaranteed to reach Mr. Abbott's desk. The Texas Senate had signed off before sunrise earlier Sunday after Republicans, who hold an 18-13 majority in the chamber, used a procedural move to suspend the rules and take up the measure in the middle of the night.

But as the day wore on, the GOP's chances wobbled. State Rep. Chris Turner, the Democratic House leader, said he sent a text message to members of his caucus at 10:35 p.m. telling them to leave the chamber. But even by that point, the exodus was already well under way.

"We knew today, with the eyes of the nation watching actions in Austin, that we needed to send a message, and that message is very, very clear: Mr. President, we need a national response to federal voting rights," Democratic state Rep. Trey Martinez Fischer said.

Republicans showed restraint in criticizing Democrats for the move.

"I am disappointed that some members decided to break quorum," said Republican state Rep. Briscoe Cain, who carried the bill in the House. "We all know what that meant. I understand why they were doing it, but we all took an oath to Texans that we would be here to do our jobs."

Texas is the latest big battleground in Republicans' campaign to pass more restrictive voting laws, driven by former President Donald Trump's unproven claims that the 2020 election was stolen from him. Georgia and Florida also passed new voting restrictions, and on Saturday, Mr. Biden unfavorably compared Texas' bill to election changes in those states as "an assault on democracy."

Under revisions during closed-door negotiations, Republicans added language to the 67-page measure that would have made it easier for a judge to overturn an election. The bill would have also eliminated drive-through voting and 24-hour polling centers, both of which Harris County—the state's largest Democratic stronghold—introduced last year.

Major corporations joined the backlash, including Texas-based American Airlines Inc. and Dell, warning that the efforts could harm democracy and the economic climate. But Republicans shrugged off their objections and in some cases, ripped business leaders for speaking out. By the time the Texas bill was poised to pass over the Memorial Day weekend, the opposition from businesses had faded.

Since Mr. Trump's defeat, at least 14 states have enacted more restrictive voting laws, according to the New York-based Brennan Center for Justice. It has also counted nearly 400 bills filed this year nationwide that would restrict voting.

It wasn't the first time Texas Democrats—who have been out of power in Austin for decades—have been able to block contentious legislation despite being outnumbered.

They twice broke quorum in 2003 to stop Republican efforts to redraw voting maps, at one point leaving the state for Oklahoma. A decade later, former state Sen. Wendy Davis ran out the clock on a sweeping antiabortion bill with a filibuster that lasted more than 11 hours.

But in each instance, Republicans ultimately prevailed.

"We may have won the war tonight but the battle is not over," Democratic state Rep. Nicole Collier said. "We will continue to fight and speak out against those measures that attempt to silence our voices."


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
They gathered later outside a Black church, driving home their anger over a last-minute change to the bill that would have prohibited Sunday voting before 1 p.m., when many Black worshipers go to the polls.

What does preventing voting before 1.p.m. on Sundays have to do with anything?   Other than trying to cut down the black vote ? 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

An addendum to an agenda in a reaction to the outcome of an election discounting a failed policy. 

Reactionary, exclusionary, and illusory in its intent. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

I don't know where you are from, but here in the south, most African Americans go to church in the morning hours, then usually get out around noon.

At the same time, in mostly black districts, the poll workers are mostly black. This gives them the opportunity to go to church, then do their volunteered civic duty afterwards.

This has nothing to do with suppressing the black vote. If anything, it is to help blacks vote so they can attend church.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.2    2 weeks ago
it would have barred early voting on Sundays before 1 p.m., which effectively limits the "souls to the polls" after-church get-out-the-vote efforts that are popular among Black churches.
Texas voting bill: Democrats leave House floor, effectively blocking passage of restrictive voting bill for now - CNNPolitics

The issue is not really how many people this change would effect, since that is an unknown number. The issue is why are they making the change at all?  CLEARLY, the change is meant to effect black turnout for their church sponsored voting efforts. 

When you direct a voting rules change that seems to be aimed specifically at a racial group  you've got problems. 

And Abbott has the nerve to declare the need for these changes an "emergency" which requires a special session of the legislature. It is ludicrous. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @1.2    2 weeks ago

So you speak for black people bugs?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
CLEARLY, the change is meant to effect black turnout for their church sponsored voting efforts. 

Your opinion only, unsupported by any credible evidence.

Another conspiracy theory, perhaps?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    2 weeks ago
So you speak for black people bugs?

They're trying .

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bugsy
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1.2.5  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

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bugsy
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1.2.6  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
seems

So just your opinion.

You really don't know.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @1.2.5    2 weeks ago
"I speak for common sense."

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expatingb
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1.2.8  expatingb  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    2 weeks ago
They're trying .

Is that a photo of Democrat Governor Northam of Virginia?  The Blackface Governor?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.7    2 weeks ago

Common sense just sent him a memo - Uh, no you don't.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

So blacks can't go when the polls are open like everyone else?

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3    2 weeks ago
So blacks can't go when the polls are open like everyone else?

Looks like most libs think blacks should only vote on Sundays after 1pm.......

It really shows who the real racists are.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @1.3.1    2 weeks ago
Looks like most libs think blacks should only vote on Sundays after 1pm.......

That is a truly ridiculous comment. Which is saying a lot given some of your other ones. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3    2 weeks ago

There is only one thing that matters as regards voting, and that is that the person who casts the vote is registered to vote in that state. 

Nothing else matters, and that includes the number and hours of early voting days, or whether people vote by mail or in person. 

Changing a rule in order to prevent voting before 1 pm on Sundays because you know blacks like to vote before 1 pm on Sundays is inexcusable.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.3    2 weeks ago

Yes, I have read your opinions on this matter.

Can blacks not go to the polls when everyone else does?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.4    2 weeks ago

i'm not going to explain (why this is an issue) to you a hundred times

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.5    2 weeks ago

I didn't ask you to, so we must be good here then.

Whew!

Texas allows for plenty of time for people--ALL PEOPLE--to vote. 

Period, end of story, go vote.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.3.7  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.5    2 weeks ago

meh, IMO democrats are going about the rwnj voter suppression issue all wrong. blue states simply need to counter the fascist red state efforts to suppress the vote by targeting trumpster districts with the same tactics of reducing the numbers of polling places they have access to. having the maga relics stand for hours and hours and hours in the heat or extreme cold waiting to vote will eventually have the desired effect of reducing their numbers and the taxpayer financial burden of the entitlements autocrat lovers receive. /s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.6    2 weeks ago

The issue here is not whether there will still be enough opportunities to vote, the issue is why are the Texas Republicans trying to remove a time frame when they know black people have historically been voting. 

Sorry you dont seem to understand that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @1.3.7    2 weeks ago

Not a bad idea.

Texas needs a Stacy Abrams like figure though, that can organize the vote down there and turn the state blue. It is within reach in the next election or two. Beto O Rourke has been trying , but I dont think he has the juice or the know how. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.3.7    2 weeks ago

Yeah, go right ahead and do it instead of merely whining about what you MAY do.

Tough talk is still just a bunch of words without actions.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.8    2 weeks ago

Sorry you don't seem to know that poll hours are for everyone, not just one subset of the population.

I have enough confidence that blacks can figure out when polls are open and manage to find one to vote at at the times they are open.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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1.3.12  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.6    2 weeks ago

Then why legislate any restrictions? A simple yes or know [sic] will suffice. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.13  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @1.3.12    2 weeks ago

So are you advocating for polls to be open 24/7?

For how many days? 

Will early voting be restricted at all, or should we open the polls as soon as a candidate announces his or her run?

Do we allow early voting up until election day?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.3.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    2 weeks ago

There is an old saying.  It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubts.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.15  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.3.14    2 weeks ago
"There is an old saying.  It is better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubts."

Sadly, some folks never take heed to that old saying!

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.3.16  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @1.3.7    2 weeks ago

Right, because Texas, Georgia, and the other Republican lead states aren't applying the laws everywhere- just in Democratic run bastions of stupidity within their states.

Democrats want special privileges for their voters. Tough shit; everyone gets to abide by the same voting rules within the state they are from. Don't like the US is a big damn country- with 50 states last I counted; so find another to live in.

 
 
 
CB
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1.3.17  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.6    2 weeks ago

Is it OPPRESSIVE to 'manage' other people's liberties, Texan?  Why can't some conservatives just go vote right along beside the 'souls'?  Why put a cap on it; who is it hurting? And finally why do WHITE conservatives without justified cause get to limit the Black/Brown voting franchise?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.3.17    2 weeks ago

Every state limits voting in some way or the other.

That is just a fact.

No state has polls open 24/7, so of course someone will ne 
inconvenienced" that polls aren't open precisely when they sometimes wish they were.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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1.3.19  MonsterMash  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.15    2 weeks ago
Sadly, some folks never take heed to that old saying!

Hey, if the shoe fits

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.20  Tessylo  replied to  MonsterMash @1.3.19    2 weeks ago
Do you come on here just to troll/insult me?

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.3.21  gooseisgone  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.3    2 weeks ago
Changing a rule in order to prevent voting before 1 pm on Sundays because you know blacks like to vote before 1 pm on Sundays is inexcusable.  

Please show me that this will suppress any votes, if it's so "inexcusable".  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.4  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

I'm really trying to understand the problem here.  This is early voting, correct?  Correct me if I'm wrong but early voting runs for several days. In fact from what I found, early voting for the 2021 election starts Oct 18th, 2021 and ends Oct 29th, 2021.  So in this case there are eleven days of early voting. And this is only in-person early voting, has nothing to do with a mail-in ballot or voting on election day. 

Are we to assume that people cannot plan their life out any better and the only time in their lives to go vote would be on a Sunday morning? I could better understand the argument if Sunday was the only day where early in-person voting was allowed, but it's not. So can you better explain the problem?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @1.4    2 weeks ago
Are we to assume that people cannot plan their life out any better and the only time in their lives to go vote would be on a Sunday morning? I could better understand the argument if Sunday was the only day where early in-person voting was allowed, but it's not. So can you better explain the problem?

There is only one reason to select Sunday morning early voting as the time period that needs to be eliminated. They know that is the time when many blacks go to vote with church groups. 

So it appears that the Republicans in Texas are deliberately trying to lessen the black vote. 

Texas needs a Stacy Abrams like figure down there to organize the minority vote and put an end to the truly laughable state leadership in Texas that Abbott and his clown show provide.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.1    2 weeks ago
"So it appears that the Republicans in Texas are deliberately trying to lessen the black vote."

That's not how it appears.  THAT'S EXACTLY THE CASE!  

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.4.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.1    2 weeks ago

Your arguments is weak....

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.4.4  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.1    2 weeks ago

So what you are telling me is that blacks cannot get to the polling stations for early voting on any other time than Sunday mornings because to them going to vote is linked to their church?  Or is it that they need to get a ride either from someone else at the church or that the church would provide a bus to transport the voters from the church to the polling station and back again?

Because it seems to me that it would be a simple matter for transportation to be moved to hours that match up with polling station hours.  Or they could look to vote on another day when Texas has the early voting stations open from 6:00am to 9:00pm. Or they could request a mail-in ballot.

Sorry but your argument about blacks not being able to vote seem a bit racist where  you assume they cannot find any other solution and are dependent on their church to manage their activities. 

There are other pieces of this law that I don't agree with. I do not agree with the elimination of drop boxes, they do need to be secure but I don't see them as a huge problem. Same with drive-thru voting, so long as the proper security is set up then drive-thru voting while manpower intensive I think should still be allowed.  And to me the limit on having polling stations not open on Sunday morning could also be seen as trying to keep separate church and state, so that a state function (polling stations) to not interfere with church functions. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @1.4.4    2 weeks ago
Sorry but your argument about blacks not being able to vote seem a bit racist where  you assume they cannot find any other solution and are dependent on their church to manage their activities. 

I dont assume any such thing, but I bet you the Republicans in Texas do, otherwise why make this new rule ?  It doesnt make any sense other than as a way to try and reduce black voting. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.4.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.2    2 weeks ago

The truly disturbing thing about the R BS bill is granting judges the authority to overturn elections with no proof of fraud.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.4.7  evilgenius  replied to  Snuffy @1.4    2 weeks ago
I'm really trying to understand the problem here.

That's what people were saying when Trumpublicans said they needed to change voting rules in the first place.

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.8  CB   replied to  Snuffy @1.4    2 weeks ago
Are we to assume that people cannot plan their life out any better and the only time in their lives to go vote would be on a Sunday morning? I could better understand the argument if Sunday was the only day where early in-person voting was allowed, but it's not. So can you better explain the problem?

What you can assume is Governor Abbott and his co-horts in conservative-Texas are messing with liberal Texans rights and privileges to expand the voting franchise to meet their needs and those needs of their population. If that is not the case, Governor Abbott would have accepted that a "good thing" was occurring during those hours of Sunday voting and left it alone. Some conservatives are manipulating the rules, because they can, seeking to mis-match the 2020 outcome (which saw more people voting than EVER before).

Call bull patty out when and where you find it. No chaser, please.

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.9  CB   replied to  Snuffy @1.4.4    2 weeks ago
Because it seems to me that it would be a simple matter for transportation to be moved to hours that match up with polling station hours.  Or they could look to vote on another day when Texas has the early voting stations open from 6:00am to 9:00pm. Or they could request a mail-in ballot.

So why do it and make a 'wave' for liberals to ride, Snuffy? Why is it always Republican legislatures who see fraud and need of fraud resolution where it is not evidenced. Why fix the 2020 voting scheme when it worked better than any voting scheme this country ever put forth?

Answer the questions fairly and plainly. . . and stop toting a party-line.

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.10  CB   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.4.6    2 weeks ago

And what kind of judge would do so without a proper hearing and trial? It's racist I tell you. And I am sick and tired of republicans always vexxing our spirits! We do this every year or two and it "F" us (all) up in the head, mind, and spirit.

Why can't we elect genuine, trustworthy people across the board? They don't have to be perfect just 'perfected' and approachable. Not these silly anarchists and party malcontents who want people to kiss their 'boots and butts' and share nothing good with others country dwellers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.4.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.4.10    2 weeks ago
And what kind of judge would do so without a proper hearing and trial? It's racist I tell you

You may want to wait until it actually happens (if ever) before you start accusing people of being racists.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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1.4.12  Snuffy  replied to  CB @1.4.9    2 weeks ago
Why fix the 2020 voting scheme when it worked better than any voting scheme this country ever put forth?

I can ask the same question to you about H.R. 1.   Why should the Democrats be looking to change things if the 2020 election was so grand?

There were some things that happened in 2020 that I was not comfortable with and some of it can be tightened up. I'm not in favor of sending ballots to every person on the voting roles which some areas tried to do. I'm not in favor of just anybody bringing ballots into a polling station  (ie, ballot harvesting).  I believe AZ handles this properly,  ballots can be brought in by family members or people living in the same household,  but not by political operatives. I believe that some of the changes put in for the 2020 elections were put in at the last minute without the proper law behind it. States are responsible for the election process, it should not be just one person regardless if that one person is a governor, a president, a state secretary.  Changes need to be put in by the state legislators by law.

I really feel this Texas law is a lot like the recent Georgia law, and the outrage over it is more partisan politics than actual harm. There are parts in the Texas laws I don't agree with and parts i do agree with. But so far the only line of discussion I have responded to is the one where polling stations are to be closed Sunday morning until 1pm in the afternoon during early voting. I'm being told it's racist because that's when most blacks go to vote. It hasn't been shown that the majority of blacks do vote during those hours. I have no doubt there is a large number that would go to church and immediately after church hop into the church van for a drive down to the polling station.  But is that most blacks? I don't know because I've not seen any numbers.  I've been told that having the hours of early voting like this is racist,  but if it impacts all people regardless of race then please explain how that is racist. 

Similar to the arguments against the Georgia voting laws, this argument seems to be running along party line talking points from both sides. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.13  CB   replied to  Snuffy @1.4.12    2 weeks ago
Changes need to be put in by the state legislators by law.

And those changes need to be proper and common-sense, if a more efficient better OUTCOME is the goal. When one side is leaving its opposition out while imposing extreme practices, policies, rules, and laws-people (the 'rusty wheel principle') are going to speak up and should!

I'm being told it's racist because that's when most blacks go to vote. It hasn't been shown that the majority of blacks do vote during those hours. I have no doubt there is a large number that would go to church and immediately after church hop into the church van for a drive down to the polling station.  But is that most blacks? I don't know because I've not seen any numbers.

Full-stop.

It is racist, because a select group of legislators and its select governor are singling out a group or groups of voters and areas of the state for special consideration and treatment (or mis-treatment). These groups have the experiential understanding and background to know the difference, patterns, and trends that attack their communities. That is, these groups have been haunted, hounded, and obstructed time and time again through a process named, voter suppression.

Forgive me, it is not necessary to quantify how many Blacks, Minorities, or Whites attend "Souls To The Poles" - if the practice is determined sound, legal, and a valuable resource it should be allowed to work at its efficient best, all things considered.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.4.14  gooseisgone  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.5    2 weeks ago
I dont assume any such thing, but I bet you the Republicans in Texas do, otherwise why make this new rule ? 

Is there some rule in Texas that blacks can't be out after 1:00 pm on a Sunday, please explain that for us John.  

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.4.15  gooseisgone  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.4.6    2 weeks ago
bill is granting judges the authority to overturn elections with no proof of fraud

Please provide me with the Section of the Bill you are referring to. 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.4.16  gooseisgone  replied to  CB @1.4.13    2 weeks ago
Forgive me, it is not necessary to quantify how many Blacks, Minorities, or Whites attend "Souls To The Poles" - if the practice is determined sound, legal, and a valuable resource it should be allowed to work at its efficient best, all things considered.

They have from 1:00 pm to 9:00 pm to vote adjuster you schedule, people do have to work these locations.

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.17  CB   replied to  gooseisgone @1.4.16    2 weeks ago

Texas GOP says it will adjust rule in election bill accused of impacting Black churchgoers

Texas GOP lawmakers say they will be making changes to their proposed restrictions to early voting Sunday after critics argued the move disproportionately affected the Black community.

The measure, which voting advocates said would have harmed "souls to the polls" events popular with Black churches, is part of the latest statewide elections overhaul package that Democrats have characterized as being a thinly veiled attempt at voter suppression.

In an interview on NPR this week, Texas state Rep. Travis Clardy (R), said the starting time for voting to begin on Sunday in the proposed legislation had been a typo. Clardy said the starting time was meant to 11 a.m., but had mistakenly been written as 1 p.m .

"That's one of the things I look forward to - with fixing the most. Call it a scrivener's error, whatever you want to. I talked to our team yesterday, kind of regrouping of what happened. That was not intended to be reduced," Clardy told NPR's Steve Inskeep.

Citing reports from the Texas Tribune, Axios noted that despite this two-hour difference, no Republicans raised any issues with the apparent starting time as it was written during the final debate over the bill, and one lawmaker even defended the 1 p.m. starting time.

The Texas Republicans and Some Conservatives whined and the Texas Democrats griped back! The Gripers are going to win on this one issue.

Now on to the next problem area of the bill. "Adjust this."

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.4.18  gooseisgone  replied to  CB @1.4.17    2 weeks ago
he Gripers are going to win on this one issue.

Sounds like it was a type O to begin with or you not happy with 11:00 AM.

 
 
 
CB
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1.4.19  CB   replied to  gooseisgone @1.4.18    2 weeks ago

Dodge much? Admit it the attempt at theft of voting liberty has suffered a grave set-back (on this one issue). Let's see if more setbacks on this bill is in store!

I am happy; are you happy representative oversight arrived in the nick of time?  YAY!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

 It’s hard to take seriously the left’s narrative about an assault on democracy in a state that gives voters two weeks to cast a vote. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.5.1  evilgenius  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5    2 weeks ago
It’s hard to take seriously the left’s narrative about an assault on democracy in a state that gives voters two weeks to cast a vote. 

It's also hard to take seriously the right's narrative they HAD to change the rules because of fraud which they can't find. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.5.2  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.5    2 weeks ago

Texan democrats are not fools. They fully understand when a governor is accidentally stepping on policy and when policy is a solid kick in the voting franchise. Governor Abbott is pulling red-state "backroom" manipulate and confuse the vote stuff and seriously Texan conservatives are highly probably not done yet. Better to call Abbott's ASS out here and now. Shout it from the 'rooftops.'

WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF CONSERVATIVES WEAK RATIONALES FOR PLAYING GAMES OF 'CATCH US IF YOU CAN' WITH OUT VOTE FRANCHISE!!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.3  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.5.2    2 weeks ago
Texan democrats are not fools.

Debatable.

Is there any reason on earth why blacks can't go to the polls on Sunday when everyone else does?

And I am curious as to why you say nothing about states that have NO Sunday voting at all.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.5.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @1.5.2    2 weeks ago

I think them walking out is karma for those shit stained R's voting against a commission to investigate the riot.  They can dish it out but can't take and what goes around comes around.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.5  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.5.4    2 weeks ago
I think them walking out is karma for those shit stained R's voting against a commission to investigate the riot.  They can dish it out but can't take and what goes around comes around.

You get that this is the Texas State Legislature we are  talking about, far different than the U.S. Congress?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.5.6  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.3    2 weeks ago

Because Texas has "souls to the poles" (at least that is implied). When some other state adds 'souls' and then snatch it away from the people who wish to keep it, then your question will benefit discussion.

I could ask you the inverse, why can't SOME CONSERVATIVES develop their own "souls to the polls"? And keep their selfish hands off legal promotions and services Black people find to make life work for their community interests, attitudes, and resources?

Some conservatives keep SAYING they wish Black Americans would "get it together" but as is the conservative norm, it is not "togetherness" that is wished from Blacks; it is subordination. No Chaser!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.5.6    2 weeks ago

Ever playing the victim card.

Sigh.

SOSDD

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.5.9  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.7    2 weeks ago

Some conservatives can sigh all the want. But, sighing is not helpful. Therefore, what some conservatives want is not helpful to voting, like sighing.

Some conservatives talk a good 'game' until those who have been through the practice of oppression step up to SAY what it really is to have you recommending and voting down our liberal liberties-while gaming the system for conservative self-interests.

SOSDD (Right on!)

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.10  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.5.9    2 weeks ago
Some conservatives can sigh all the want.

Glad to know they have your permission!

Whew, I was really getting worried about that!

But, sighing is not helpful.

Neither is whining, or playing the race card, or playing the victim card.

yep, SOSDD

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.5.11  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.5.10    2 weeks ago

Well some conservatives let me put it this way: We don't give a damn if some conservatives think we are whiners. Because we know some conservatives are full of bull patty. And when some conservatives stop playing with their cornucopia of 'cards' and leave liberal voting rights and privileges alone only then will it be ' a brand new day' for our nation.

If some conservatives want to climb up on their soapboxes and talk 'patty' - bring it. As I'm serving my commentary without 'chaser'!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.12  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.5.11    2 weeks ago

Thank you for consistently and so insistingly proving my points for me.

Appreciate you, boo!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

How does it cut down the Back vote?

Go to church, have lunch or Sunday dinner, then go vote.

Imaginary problem solved.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.1  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @1.6    2 weeks ago

Did democrats NEED Abbott's advice on how to go vote? NO.  So what is some conservatives problem with liberal legal voting systems, styles, and actions?

Do some conservatives experience liberals and progressives giving a shit about how they vote? No! Liberals throw the franchise wide open, because it works that way!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.2  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.1    2 weeks ago

And yet, everyone eligible to vote in Texas will have ample opportunity to do so.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.3  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.2    2 weeks ago

And yet it is Governor Abbott and conservatives that are striving to take away liberties (in furtherance of liberty)? Fix your commentary around that fact when you comment on who is feeling puny and in need of feeling that they need to matter more to voters who don't care about conservatism and its patrons.

The current system in Texas worked exceedingly well in 2020. But, Texas Governor Abbott is a political whore who is selling 'leg' because he is a limited figure scared of change! Well, Texas is 'purple' politically and its likely to hue-over again as people migrate into 'Tesla country.'

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.4  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.3    2 weeks ago

Take away liberties?

Please stop the melodrama!

Everyone eligible to vote in Texas will have ample opportunity to vote if they desire. 

Some small, actual, personal effort may be required.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.5  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.4    2 weeks ago

I'll give you inconsistency and let you call it whatever floats some conservatives' boat:

 vs.

VERIFY: Yes, Gov. Abbott said he plans to sign new gun legislation into law

vs.

Texas voting bill heads to Abbott's desk after contentious debate

APPEASING CONSERVATIVES 2ND AMENDMENT LIBERTIES vs. MESSING OVER LIBERALS VOTING LIBERTIES
CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY vs CONSTITUTIONAL VOTE

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.6  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.4    2 weeks ago

Some more inconsistency for some conservatives, that SAY a great many bull patty things:

Gov. Greg Abbott signs 'back the blue' bills into law | KVUE

But don't do 'patty' consistently. There the only governor of the state is appeasing some conservatives' (through 'dictate') and messing over the liberals (by quenching hopes of ending racial injustice in policing).

Clearly Some conservatives and Governor Abbott think that Texas Police are 'right and proper' to racially kick Texan asses with a so-called, "Law and Order" doctrine*, and that rank and file liberal voices that wish some "re-imagining of police" can go somewhere else, shut up, or just piss off! (That's not going to happen, nevertheless!)

* We know through experiential circumstances that phrases like "Law and Order State"  used by some conservatives is just a dog whistle to suppression of Blacks and minorities specifically.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.6    2 weeks ago

Here's  a great idea for you, since you don't seem to like our governor:

Don't vote for him.

If other progressive liberals don't like him they should elect someone else.

Elections have consequences, a famous Democrat proclaimed.

Or you could just keep whining about some made-up bs about "suppression".

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.7    2 weeks ago

And you can keep talking out of an echo chamber! It makes about as much sense, as what you're getting is all that you put in. Partisan hack-ery is a thing.

I have given you evidence and you just pass it up for bull patty. How are you a fair-minded participant?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.8    2 weeks ago

Just because YOU declare it so doesn't make it so.

Whining about some mythical loss of rights is so damn tiring and old.

Playing the race and victim card endlessly is old, too.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.10  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.9    2 weeks ago

Says you as expected. Call it or dismiss this activity however you wish.  Some conservatives are known to support 'combat' and hurling dust up in the air, over sound reasoning. It will be/and is being met with appropriate resistance and already "griping" is yielding returns: @1.4.17.

Spin doctors - well spin!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.11  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.10    2 weeks ago

Sorry I am not into the whole Chicken Little-sky-is-falling thing.

I reserve my outrage for real things, not imagined slights and misinterpretations.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.12  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.11    2 weeks ago

Well I'm good: How about you, Texan?  (Donald Trump.is a selfish pig! For 'breaking' the Republican Party into a shell of its former self!)

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.13  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.12    2 weeks ago

Please return to me when you get done with your latest attack of TDS.

How's the research into the cure for that coming along?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.14  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.13    2 weeks ago

Trump manages state ballot audits and state elections rigging from his desk in Mara Lago. Just sayin. It's an outrage. But do carry on now with blinders on. . . .

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.15  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.14    2 weeks ago

So, no progress on a cure.

That is sad.

Maybe soon?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.16  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.14    2 weeks ago
state elections rigging

Surely such an outstanding, upright, moral citizen such as yourself has already reported this fact to the proper authorities.

What did the Biden Justice Dept. tell you about it? What was their response?

Cone on, share!!!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.17  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.16    2 weeks ago

We all see (and imagine) that big 'Cluck' sitting on his Mara Lago roost directing lieutenants and sycophants to 'Come!' and "Go!"  You don't have to tell us anything; we can piece the scraps and bits together circumstantially for now. (Smile.)

I see "stupid (people)" in the execution.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.18  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.17    2 weeks ago

Oh, in other words, you can't support your claims and thus change the subject whenever you are asked a question.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.6.19  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.18    2 weeks ago

@1.6.17 I see "stupid (people)" in the execution.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.6.20  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.6.19    2 weeks ago

"Mirrors are the window to the soul".

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.6.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @1.6.20    2 weeks ago

thus the screened inn porch

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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2  igknorantzrulz    2 weeks ago

The GOP, blockers of Democracy, in actions reactionary to the LYING and inaction of the Republican faction to properly represent ALL of the peoples, as they deny anything making it easier for ALL OF THE PEOPLES, to vote. From the valleys to the Steeples, they are Fcking over the peoples for and by whom they are allegedly there to represent, and ALL should resent their attempt to defy what OUR COUNTRY WAS BUILT UPON, as the masses that give these fckers passes also, especially on MEMORIAL DAY, disgrace what so many gave LIFE and Limb for. Our Country is worth so much more....

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2    2 weeks ago

Let me know when you can not vote.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    2 weeks ago

Sunday mornings.

Aimed specifically at which voting bloc, again?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Not "aimed" at anyone.

Try again.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Bullshit.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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2.1.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

The fear you feel is palpable, tex...only magnified with each and every response. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

Oooh, I just really love amateur psychologists plying their trade on people they haven't even met yet!

Tell me more!!!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  igknorantzrulz @2    2 weeks ago

Every voter this affects should vote blue and send these R morons packing.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Principal
3  Krishna    2 weeks ago

A good gesture-- but their Neanderthal  governor will take action soon. :-(

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
3.1  bugsy  replied to  Krishna @3    2 weeks ago

Good...as he should

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @3    2 weeks ago

Seems like many blue state governors are now using Neanderthal thinking, too.

Must really be frustrating to those who want them to be so much different and "better".

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
4  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    2 weeks ago

I triple-dog-dare Gov. Abbott to piss off American Airlines.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1  CB   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4    2 weeks ago

And Tesla Inc. . . wonder what's Eli Musk's opinion on being a new partner in a state that narrows the power of people just for selfish political interests and power-grabbing control.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4.1    2 weeks ago
wonder what's Eli Musk's opinion on being a new partner in a state that narrows the power of people just for selfish political interests and power-grabbing control.

Probably grateful that Texas welcomed him and all the jobs he creates with open arms and probably won't be too worried that some folks will have to adjust their usual voting pattern by a few hours.

After all, those same folks have adjusted their voting patterns at other times when days and hours to vote have changed, so we know it can be done quite easily.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Still waiting for you to explain why the Sunday voting times needed to be tweaked. 

It will be a long wait won't it? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

I never claimed it needed to be tweaked, but it certainly is no calamity that it was.

Is 3 hours really that meaningful when there are so many other hours to vote?

People adjust to changing schedules, just look at how many started to vote on Sunday when it wasn't allowed for so long.

Interesting fact:

Texas was the first state to allow early in person voting.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.4  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

So you are Eli Musk 'plaining' now too? Or do you have an Musk opinion piece on this subject or associated thoughts? Yes or No?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.5  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

What's it to Texas Republican legislators when democrats legally vote? 'Red' Texans could just have easily used the 'Blue' Texans time-allotment to their advantage. So what's the problem when voting succeeds that Governor Abbott is rushing to fix? It's working? Why "tinker around" with it? No bull patty.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4.1.4    2 weeks ago
So you are Eli Musk 'plaining' now too?

You wondered what Musk thought, I told you what I thought, seems extremely logical to me, and I am rather perplexed that it isn't to you.

Or do you have an Musk opinion piece on this subject or associated thoughts?

Nope, I didn't know that was a requirement to voice my opinion. When did that rule go into effect?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

They wanted to do it, they will probably do it.

3 hours doesn't seem like such a big deal to me, but then again, I know there are lots of other hours to go vote here.

Just for kicks, what state do you live in?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

So you "probably" don't know what Eli Musk thoughts are about this. It is interesting that he once/still/has a residence wherever he wants in California (too). He certainly understands liberal politics without a doubt. But I don't know and I simply wonder about the man: Eli Musk and Tesla and Texas politics messing stuff up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

Okay.

Man, I already explained it to you.

Texas politics didn't mess up, it just did something you don't like.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.10  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago

Yes. . . you did - didn't you? /sarcasm.

And I questioned why Governor Abbott in the aftermath of a successful voter count for 2020 general election: what's the problem when voting succeeds that Governor Abbott is rushing to fix? It's working? Why "tinker around" with it?

Did you already explain the WHY, Texan? No bull patty.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.11  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

For flips and giggles I am in California.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.12  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

Eli Musk is a visionary leader. Such intelligentsia don't usually stir the fires of local politics. But when the locals are so disturbed and vexated that they are prepared to cut commercial noses off to spite faces, Eli Musk condescend to peruse such matters. That's why I wonder what Mr. Musk is thinking about Texas messing with voting rights and privileges.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
4.1.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @4.1.11    2 weeks ago

Me too.  Howdy neighbor.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.14  CB   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

HOWDY Paula!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
4.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4    2 weeks ago

I don't think he will be around much longer.  Support for Matthew M. to run is growing with both R's and D's.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
4.2.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2    2 weeks ago
Support for Matthew M. to run is growing with both R's and D's.

The very thought makes me all tingly and giddy.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
4.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

That man is so fine that I just want to put him on a plate and sop him up with a biscuit.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
4.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.2.1    2 weeks ago

Have you seen A Time To Kill?  If you haven't, watch it and I dare you not to cry during his court final summation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5  seeder  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago
Under revisions during closed-door negotiations, Republicans added language to the 67-page measure that would have made it easier for a judge to overturn an election. The bill would have also eliminated drive-through voting and 24-hour polling centers, both of which Harris County—the state's largest Democratic stronghold—introduced last year.

They dont even try to hide their bigotry. 

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
5.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
They dont even try to hide their bigotry. 

What bigotry is that, John?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @5.1    2 weeks ago

Just the usual theatrics and hysterical lies being bandied about.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
5.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

I think they are running out of new terms to use to demean anyone that does not think like them, so they have to recycle the old ones, even when they don't know what most of them mean.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @5.1    2 weeks ago

THAT RIGHT UP IN YOUR FACE BIGOTRY.  WE KNOW EVERYTHING'S BIGGER IN TEX-ASS, INCLUDING THEIR BIGOTRY!

WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS VOTER SUPPRESSION, STRAIGHT UP!

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
5.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.3    2 weeks ago
THAT RIGHT UP IN YOUR FACE BIGOTRY

How so, Tess...

Be specific.

Just because you THINK something is straight up doesn't make it so.

Are blacks unable to vote the other 10 days of early voting, or are they only limited by Sundays?

Why do you think blacks are so unable to do anything without a white liberal telling them to?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.5  CB   replied to  bugsy @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

Why do you think some conservatives live in Trump's bowels? Some conservatives are getting lessons on how to perpetuate hate and lack of diversity. Why is that not an issue for them? Why all the lies, deceit, and ignoring the other side of America? We're not going away, so y'all might as well get clear on telling us what the problem is. Talk about republican partisanship for a change, "bugsy."

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
5.1.6  bugsy  replied to  CB @5.1.5    2 weeks ago
Why do you think some conservatives live in Trump's bowels?

Why do you bring up Trump when no one else has?

Why does he still live in your mind 24/7 six months after the election?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.7  CB   replied to  bugsy @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

Why do "white liberals" live 24/7 in your head? How it is that benefiting you?

We can all spend time passing back and forth circular and pointless questions. Why not just get to the point?!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

There's that dog whistle again!

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
5.1.9  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    2 weeks ago
There's that dog whistle again!

Again, that only racists hear...hint...you heard it

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
5.1.10  CB   replied to  bugsy @5.1.9    2 weeks ago

Yeah, that does not work here. We feel and live through oppression and suppression from racist-treatment of policies, issues, and law enactments. As a result, it's wise to listen up for dog whistles as and  act of prevention.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 weeks ago
They dont even try to hide their bigotry. 

Do you chastise your local leaders for their policies on voting times and dates?

Can you vote on any Sunday?

Can all Illinois residents?

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6  Kathleen    2 weeks ago

If you really want to vote, you have plenty of time to do it. I don’t buy any of this crap that you can’t vote. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @6    2 weeks ago
If you really want to vote, you have plenty of time to do it. I don’t buy any of this crap that you can’t vote. 

I know for a fact that there is plenty of time in Texas to vote--if one actually wants to and makes some kind of small effort.

What some will never do is admit that ALL laws regarding polls are "discriminatory" to SOMEONE SOMEWHERE. The polls aren't open 24/7/365, so of course someone is going to be "put out" about any changes.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    2 weeks ago

I agree, it takes a little planning and effort to get there. I am tired of everything being used as an excuse for racism.  Take the responsibility and make the time to do it instead of whining that you can’t when you can.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Kathleen, I dont want you to tell me that there are enough other times to vote, I want you to tell me why they are taking away a time when it is well known that a lot of black people like to vote. 

What is your explanation ? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

Go when everyone else goes. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

I think you know that is not an answer to my question. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

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Greg Jones
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6.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.2    2 weeks ago
they are taking away a time when it is well known that a lot of black people like to vote. 

So what time do they like to vote?

Before church or after

What's wrong with voting just a little later?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.7  CB   replied to  Kathleen @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

Why is Governor Abbott specifically changing that one rule? No gimmicks, no "I don't know," list Abbott's rationale for that one change and we can talk about it openly.

Otherwise, he is acting by fiat (dictate) and I know you SAY you despise people unnecessarily telling people what to do. Moreover, making nonessential policies and laws.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.7    2 weeks ago
Why is Governor Abbott specifically changing that one rule?

First off, you need to know how government works.

Governor Abbott changed absolutely nothing.

He did sign a law that Texas' duly-elected government passed.

Do you question the governors of states where there is no early voting, or no voting at all on Sundays?

Or is your faux-outrage reserved for Texas alone?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.9  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.8    2 weeks ago

Don't play coy with me, Texan. Governor Abbott plans to sign into law a bill which requires his authority to be valid. One does not with the stroke of a pen not make changes, by definition.

But you know this. Once and if it occurs.

What other governors do will face the same scrutiny of whether it is good governance for all or for a select few. And I, we, will question (and protest) appropriately.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.9    2 weeks ago
One does not with the stroke of a pen not make changes, by definition.

That is incorrect.

Ever hear of a veto? Stroke of a pen bars a bill from becoming law, which is change, right?

You haven't said one word about any other state, so save me from that sanctimonious crap about what you will do.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.11  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.10    2 weeks ago

Master of distraction, please. Said positively: One does not with the stroke of a pen not make changes, by definition. Becomes: One with a stroke of a pen makes changes, by definition.

A veto is a wholly separate act in an of itself. It is used in special cases and circumstances. That is, laws can be made without an inclusion of a veto act.

This is not about whataboutism. Why do you need it to be?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.11    2 weeks ago

If you don't want to talk about what you wrote, why do you write?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.13  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.12    2 weeks ago

I won't aid in the dumbing-down of the U.S. of A.   Dumb-busters™ are on the case!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.13    2 weeks ago
I won't aid in the dumbing-down of the U.S. of A.  Dumb-busters™are on the case!

Far, far too late for you to be claiming that now.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @6    2 weeks ago
If you really want to vote, you have plenty of time to do it.

In America, voting should be as easy as possible, to encourage as many Americans as possible to vote.

Why do you disagree with that statement?

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.2  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    2 weeks ago

I wish a doctors office was open 24/7 but they are not.

I wish a dentist office was open 24/7 but they are not. 

Not everything is going to be open at your convenience, so, you have to plan your time. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
6.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.2    2 weeks ago

But shouldn’t  our ability to vote, the bedrock of our democracy, be as easily accessible as possible?

This is not a business decision, this is a decision of access.

That we are even debating this, much less having certain jurisdictions passing legislation, speaks to a much more serious and ultimately frightening scenario. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.2    2 weeks ago
I wish a doctors office was open 24/7 but they are not.

Does the Constitution give you the right to go to a doctor?

I wish a dentist office was open 24/7 but they are not. 

Does the Constitution give you the right to go to a dentist?

Not everything is going to be open at your convenience, so, you have to plan your time.

Never said it was. 

Why are you avoiding my very simple question?  Why are you so afraid of a direct answer?

And for that matter, for 1 day, every 2 years, why not allow voting for 24 hours on that 1 day?  Wouldn't that encourage more people to vote?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    2 weeks ago

Do you advocate for polls to never close until the last minute on election day? To be open around the clock?

What state do you live in?

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.6  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.5    2 weeks ago

How about mail in voting? Washington is ALL vote by mail, with ballot drop boxes all over (and I'm rural where my drop box is the fire station, closer than any other businesses). We were registered when we got our drivers licenses, the ballots come automatically in the mail, we vote, we sign and we drop/mail.  What is the problem with that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @6.2.6    2 weeks ago

i didn't ever claim there was any problem with it. Why do you ask that of me?

Each state sets its own rules.

Perhaps if people don't like the rules where they are they should move to a state where they like the rules.

Some people who are bitterly bitching about Texas live in states where Sunday voting isn't allowed in the whole state and in some states, not at all.

i find that to be hypocritical of them.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.5    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.8    2 weeks ago

Hey, it's cool with me if you are too ashamed to say where you live and discuss your state's election laws.

I understand looking close to home is difficult for some.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.10  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.7    2 weeks ago

When I lived in CA I voted in my neighborhood, never showed an ID, sometimes I had my sample ballot. Signed the book and voted.  Some family did absentee ballots. The only problem with drop boxes there was last year when local republicans set up their own boxes to confuse everybody. Funny how everything they accuse others of is what they themselves are doing.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.11  Kathleen  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.3    2 weeks ago

There is plenty of time to vote. It is nothing but an excuse. Make the time.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.12  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.4    2 weeks ago

It is easy to vote, if you really want to. Again, I don’t buy this crap that you can’t get up off your ass and vote. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.12    2 weeks ago

If people want to vote, they can.

All of this other stuff is just an excuse as to why they don't.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.14  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.13    2 weeks ago

That’s what I think. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.15  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.12    2 weeks ago

Have you seen the lines in some places?  And exactly what is the purpose of making it harder to vote? Why specifically?  Why can't everybody do mail in if they want? Why do they make so many extra rules and regulations that aren't necessary except to put hurdles in front of people?  What about legislature overturning election results? Or closing places to vote in areas with the most people? Why do red areas of Texas not lose their polling places (or gain in some cases)? Why should unqualified people be able come in and hover over voters to 'watch'? Why is it easier to buy a gun than vote?

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.16  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @6.2.15    2 weeks ago

It’s simple, go in and place your vote like everyone else. That’s it!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.17  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @6.2.10    2 weeks ago

It's projection, deflection, and denial.  That's all they have!

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.18  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.16    2 weeks ago

I just named hurdles and you ignored them. WHY are they making it harder? What is the purpose? If its all that easy to do all this, why did they just remove them all for guns? Why do they whine about gov't regulations on one hand and go implement assinine ones when they feel like it?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @6.2.18    2 weeks ago

They're making it harder for black folks to vote because they overwhelmingly vote DEMOCRAT that's why!

It's voter suppression, plain and simple!

republicans including #45 have stated time and time again, THAT WHEN EVERYONE VOTES, republicans LOSE.  

THAT'S WHY ALL THESE RED STATES ARE MAKING IT HARD FOR ALL THE BLACK FOLKS TO VOTE.  THAT'S THE ONLY REASON!

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE RE-COUNTING ALL THE STATES WHERE THEY LOST BIGLY TO PRESIDENT BIDEN!

Why aren't they re-counting the states where they won I wonder?????????????????????????????????????

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.20  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @6.2.18    2 weeks ago

That’s my answer. I have said over and over if you really want to get out there and vote, you will and you can.

I am talking about voting only, not guns. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
6.2.21  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    2 weeks ago
In America, voting should be as easy as possible, to encourage as many Americans as possible to vote.

It's never been easier to vote than now in the US, nor has it been easier to cheat.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.22  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.21    2 weeks ago
It's never been easier to vote than now in the US, nor has it been easier to cheat.

Funny how every time the gop tries to prove cheating they come up with NOTHING. So where are you getting that? Site the cheating.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2.23  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.12    2 weeks ago
It is easy to vote, if you really want to.

So you, personally, guarantee that these new laws in Texas, will not make voting more difficult for ANYONE whatsoever?  You guarantee that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.24  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.23    2 weeks ago

Many states have some laws restricting when and at what times polls can be open.

When you start complaining about them, perhaps it won't look so hypocritical.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.25  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.20    2 weeks ago

Kathleen, why do they make it harder to go to the polls in districts that mostly vote for democrats? Why do they close those and not the red areas?  Why should a group of politicians be able to overturn the votes in their states? What is the damn purpose of these laws? Why are they being made now?  What exactly happened to cause these laws?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.26  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @6.2.25    2 weeks ago

Each county sets its own sites. Some counties allow voting anywhere in the county no matter what precinct you live in. You would need to address that question to the county administrators as to why they closed any sited in their counties.

Like I said, pretty easy, walk in, show ID, vote, walk out!

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.27  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @6.2.25    2 weeks ago

The only thing I see here is that it’s all about the Republicans. So, it’s no use even trying to talk about it when we both disagree on this issue Lib. I truly believe that it’s more about making sure that there is no fraud and better control so that there isn’t anything happening that shouldn’t be. That is my reason, not race, or the hatred of another party. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @6.2.18    2 weeks ago

She doesn't have any answers for you. I completely agree about the hurdles. I try to take a Saturday morning to early vote, because the polls aren't open on Sunday.

Some people would rather just state their opinion without any thought process. And asking them questions is just asking too much of them

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.29  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.20    2 weeks ago

you're a fool

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.30  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.23    2 weeks ago

C'mon, Oz, Kathleen only cares about herself. She doesn't care about whether minorities in Texas can actually find a polling place

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.31  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.27    2 weeks ago

You have struck some nerves, it appears.

See, this is all just because it is Texas.

You don't see them complaining about states that have NO early voting at all or NO voting at all on Sundays, do you?

Or see them complaining about any other limitations on voting.

But I do see that you have reduced them to a mass of blubbering flesh that has nothing better than insulting you by calling you names.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.32  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.31    2 weeks ago

I guess I did... 

Some people are even taking it too personal and thinking they know what I think and using insults. 

You know what that means when they resort to that.

Have a good day.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.32    2 weeks ago

[removed]

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.34  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.32    2 weeks ago

Well you didn't strike a nerve with me. And you are unable to explain why these hurdles and changes are necessary. Like Tex, you can't see it and don't care if you aren't impacted. Why are republicans across the country making voting restrictions after they lost? Why should judges be able to overturn results with no evidence of fraud?  Why are they closing polls in areas with the most voters, causing so many delays and lines? What exactly is the reason? And cite the proof.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.35  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.32    2 weeks ago
You know what that means when they resort to that.

It means it is just another day ending in a "Y"??

You know you have officially won (even if they have yet to concede) when the total sum of their argument is nothing more than personal insults.

We really should feel some pity for that behavior, but I admit it is something I will never be good at.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.36  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @6.2.34    2 weeks ago

Well for me, it’s not about not caring, or not wanting people to vote. It’s more about the principal of it and taking the responsibility of getting there when you are suppose to. Those were my feelings about it. 

Good day.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.37  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.33    2 weeks ago

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
6.2.38  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  lib50 @6.2.22    2 weeks ago

Funny how every time the gop tries to prove cheating they come up with NOTHING.

Well, not exactly.  Remember that Donald Trump received 100% of the dead relative vote in Pennsylvania.  What’s really funny is when a Republican responds to that fact with “cheating is cheating, whether it’s a R or a D - so evidence that it happened only strengthens the case additional enforcement”.  Republicans are just pulling straws to see who has to cheat and take one for the team.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.39  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @6.2.34    2 weeks ago

Didn't strike a nerve with me either!

They can't/won't cite proof, because they don't have any!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
6.2.40  Greg Jones  replied to  lib50 @6.2.34    2 weeks ago

What hurdles are you talking about?

So you're telling us that blacks are too dumb to get to the polls?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
Masters Participates
6.2.42  r.t..b...  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.36    2 weeks ago

“...the principal of it...”

...is the vote.

Any comment, much less law, restricting same...regardless of reason, is done in direct opposition to the principle, and a founding principle at that. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.43  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.40    2 weeks ago

Apparently, having an opening and closing time at polls are the latest thing to be enraged about in progressive liberal circles.

Who knew opening times are a hurdle now?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.44  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @6.2.34    2 weeks ago

You're not really expecting an answer are you?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.45  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.39    2 weeks ago

My nerve only gets struck when I read a comment that is so inane and totally uncaring about other people.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2.47  Ozzwald  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.30    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.48  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.47    2 weeks ago

If someone in Texas can't find a polling site, then they truly are too fucking stupid to vote.

And even then, they are still allowed to vote, all they have to do is DO IT.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.49  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.47    2 weeks ago
Removed for context - sandy

In marked contrast to the progressive liberal mantra of "I don't have any--I'll just take yours"?

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.50  Kathleen  replied to  r.t..b... @6.2.42    2 weeks ago

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that the Democrats think the Republicans are cold hearted meanies. That they don’t care about other people when it’s more about making sure that our voting process is better controlled so that it reduces any fraud. That’s all. It would be fine to do the same in my state. If people need more information and help, then I think they should have a place to contact for help. 

Time for a drive to the ocean.

Have a good day.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.51  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.50    2 weeks ago

Well, the examples we see are the republicans on NT...and out in the real world. Haven't seen very many compassionate conservatives lately

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
6.2.52  Greg Jones  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.51    2 weeks ago

Where did compassion come into the issue?

The progressives faux compassion and concern for minorities is the height of hypocrisy

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.53  Kathleen  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.30    2 weeks ago

This comment should be removed. This is about voting not me.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.54  Kathleen  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.51    2 weeks ago

Wrong. You do not know these people personally so you are passing judgment on people you know nothing about. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.55  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.50    2 weeks ago
I think the thing that bothers me the most is that the Democrats think the Republicans are cold hearted meanies. That they don’t care about other people when it’s more about making sure that our voting process is better controlled so that it reduces any fraud. That’s all.

I like you Kathleen, and am surprised at your response to this voter suppression directed at minority and urban communities. You speak of reducing fraud, but every time you are asked what fraud you have no answer.  I wonder why you think there is fraud (not really, we all know its because the gop is actively pushing that narrative at the same time they try to deny it when it suits them). So they are making it harder to vote for no true reason, its a lie. No fraud.Most republicans believe Trump won. Do you? And what do you think of what is happening in Maricopa county?  Are you good with that?

The reason so many people all over the world think republicans are uncaring is because that is what their actions say. Insurrection? Who cares. Daily mass shootings? Who cares. Lying about Trump losing the election? Keep the money coming while we work up to the next attack on our democracy. Voters being denied their right to vote because they pass laws making it harder in the face of minuscule fraud? Who cares, it won't impact me. Women controlling their reproductive physiology? Hell no, male politicians get to stick their head up our business, and they ain't doctors or god. After birth, who the fuck cares, why didn't you keep your legs closed.

That sums it up.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
6.2.56  bugsy  replied to  lib50 @6.2.55    2 weeks ago
voter suppression directed at minority and urban communities.

How so?

Be specific

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.57  CB   replied to  Kathleen @6.2.36    2 weeks ago

What is wrong with how liberals and progressives got to the Texas polls in 2020? What Texas rule was broken by democrats? Be specific, please.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.58  Kathleen  replied to  lib50 @6.2.55    2 weeks ago

I like you too..

Maybe it might help if I explain where I stand on things. I don’t think you have read some of the things that I posted a few months ago.

Biden won, not Trump. I do not like Trump, but there were some things I agreed with him on. 

I am pro-choice. I feel it’s no ones business what a woman does with her body.

I thought what happened at the Capital was terrible. Also the riots during the past years were terrible too.

Mass shootings have been happening for a long time, taking away guns will not help, but treatment for mental illness might. People will find a way to get them, just like drugs. 

Everyone has the right to vote, Tuesday has been the tradition, but if they change it to Sunday I have no problem with that. If they are changing this to keep people from voting, I am against that. If they are changing this to improve better and more accurate results, that’s what I am for. 

I do care about other folks, I am actually surprised that some on here think I don’t. 

I hope this helps.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.59  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.40    2 weeks ago

No. Some conservatives are being told that they are vexing Blacks and Minority voters and we are fed up with their bull patty! And it's high time we do something constructive about it in and through politics. We're sick and tire of being sick and tired of some conservative snugness, condescension, and screwing over the one thing that makes us 'free' a free and fair election cycle!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.60  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.57    2 weeks ago
What is wrong with how liberals and progressives got to the Texas polls in 2020?

She didn't say there was anything wrong with it.

What Texas rule was broken by democrats?

Again, not anything she claimed.

is it just easier to pretend she said something about those things and then attempt to "debate" whatever you claim she says?

Tsk, tsk, not very sporting there.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.61  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.60    2 weeks ago

Kathleen?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.62  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.61    2 weeks ago
Kathleen?

No, it is Texan.

See the name up top?

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.63  Kathleen  replied to  CB @6.2.57    2 weeks ago

Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean...

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.64  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.62    2 weeks ago

Maybe we all getting tired... jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.65  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.64    2 weeks ago

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CB
Professor Principal
6.2.66  CB   replied to  Kathleen @6.2.63    2 weeks ago

I mean if more Texans voted in 2020 presidential general election: What's there to fix, Katheen? Do YOU know of any good rationale to fix something that is not broken? In fact, getting people to vote is something of an 'old' problem that is working like its spanking new again. How much new stuff in a home should a home owner take out to the garage and set out to repair?

Do you understand me now?

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.67  Kathleen  replied to  CB @6.2.66    2 weeks ago

I didn’t like your tone, so I think I will pass.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.68  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.66    2 weeks ago

More Americans voted in the Presidential election in 2020.

Democrats are pushing a voting bill in Congress.

Why?

Do you understand the question?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
6.2.69  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.36    2 weeks ago

It is hard to "get there" when the theres are being eliminated.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.70  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2.69    2 weeks ago
It is hard to "get there" when the theres are being eliminated.

Absolutely nothing in the law eliminates polling places.

Each county gets to decide where to put polling places.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.71  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.68    2 weeks ago

Democrats are attempting to solidify positive change not negative and self-interests changes.  Two things can be on a single spectrum at odds with each other.

Do you understand this distinction?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.72  CB   replied to  Kathleen @6.2.67    2 weeks ago

Okay, that is your right and privilege. I salute you for finding it and using it.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.2.73  lib50  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.58    2 weeks ago

You are right, I haven't been here for a long time and don't know your position on current things. I'll have to catch up. And I do have more to say on this issue. But off to a dentist appointment this morning first. Thanks for clarifying.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.74  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.53    2 weeks ago

looks like it was. You didn't eat your Wheaties this morning?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.75  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kathleen @6.2.54    2 weeks ago

I know them by the words they spout on these pages. I've seen a lot of hateful vitriol towards progressives. As I said, I don't see very many nice conservatives here at NT.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.76  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.75    2 weeks ago

"As I said, I don't see very many nice conservatives here at NT."

If they're here, I wish they'd show themselves.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.77  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.76    2 weeks ago

There are a few. Tacos is a nice man. So is Ed and Mark in Wyoming. I don't always agree with them but they aren't full of hate

And Snuffy

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.78  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.77    2 weeks ago

Agreed, none of those you mentioned are hateful.  

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
6.2.79  Kathleen  replied to  CB @6.2.72    2 weeks ago

No problem, everything is okay... : )

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
6.2.80  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    2 weeks ago

Because people might vote blue that were previously red and we can't have that now, can we.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
7  Ozzwald    2 weeks ago
Why do you ask inane questions unrelated to what I post?

Am I talking to you?  Nope, so go away.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @7    2 weeks ago

Not how it works here.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
7.2  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @7    2 weeks ago

He can join in if he wants. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
7.2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @7.2    2 weeks ago

He can join in if he wants. 

Oh he can join in, but that doesn't mean I will reply to his inane, dishonest, questions.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
8  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

I doubt that Republicans even think that tinkering with Sunday voting hours is actually going to affect black voter turnout, since it’s a pretty simple hurdle to overcome.  They are more interested in the racist dog whistle of the message.  It’s more like an advertisement to attract racists to their cause.  The real concern is the measures they are imposing to overturn elections.  I think we are going to see a lot of widespread legalized voter fraud, Republican style.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    2 weeks ago

Yup, they're looking to overturn all the elections where trumpturd LOST BIGLY!

Also Hal, that's all they got, along with projection, deflection, and denial.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
8.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @8.1    2 weeks ago

His now home state FL even found there was no fraud.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    2 weeks ago
They are more interested in the racist dog whistle of the message.  It’s more like an advertisement to attract racists to their cause.  

Amazingly, progressive liberals seem quite adept at hearing these "racist dog whistles" and come a-running!!!!!!!!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
8.2.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2    2 weeks ago

So what is your theory on why Sunday voting hours would need tweaking?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

Why not tweak them?

Did you have any problems with any election laws being tweaked because of the pandemic?

Oh, gee, can't vote until 1 pm on a Sunday of early voting in Texas, bet that will really have an effect on many folks, just like not having polls open 24/7 has an effect on them.

I am curious as to why you all aren't going after any states that do not allow ANY Sunday voting.

Seems hypocritical.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.1    2 weeks ago
So what is your theory on why Sunday voting hours would need tweaking?  
Why not tweak them?

Never underestimate the steel trap thinking of a conservative. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
8.2.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.3    2 weeks ago

I wasn’t expecting a coherent answer, Tex did not disappoint.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.3    2 weeks ago

Never underestimate the ability of progressive liberals to be hypocritical.

did you know that your very own state doesn't allow Sunday voting until 8 days before the election, and then only requires it from 10 am to 4 pm, and also requires only polls to be open on Saturday from 9am -12pm?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.4    2 weeks ago

Maybe one day you will obtain the ability to recognize coherence.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
8.2.7  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.6    2 weeks ago

Lol.  I asked “why”.  Your answer was “why not”.  [removed]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.7    2 weeks ago

If only progressive liberals were as worried about what happens in their own states instead of always worrying about Texas.

You faux concern for Texas is duly noted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.4    2 weeks ago

"Why did you burn down that police station?" 

"Why not burn it down?"

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.9    2 weeks ago

Why aren't polls in Illinois opened longer on Saturdays?

9-12 seems "suppressive".

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
8.2.11  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

Why should the polls be open on Sunday at all.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @8.2.11    2 weeks ago
Why should the polls be open on Sunday at all.

In some states, they aren't.

State Laws Governing Early Voting (ncsl.org)

The time period for early voting varies from state to state:

  • The date on which early voting begins may be as early as 45 days before the election, or as late as the Friday before the election. The average starting time for early voting is 22 days before the election.
  • Early voting typically ends just a few days before Election Day.
  • Early voting periods range in length from four days to 45 days; the average length is 19 days.
  • Of the states that allow early in-person voting, 24 and the District of Columbia allow some weekend early voting. 

    • Saturday: 20 states, plus the District of Columbia provide for voting on Saturday. Four additional states (California, Kansas, Vermont and Massachusetts) leave it up to county clerks who may choose to allow Saturday voting. Delaware and Virginia will also include Saturday voting when the laws go into effect. 

    • Sunday: Five states (Alaska, Illinois, Maryland, New York and Ohio) allow for Sunday voting. Five states (California, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Massachusetts) leave it up to county clerks who may choose to be open on Sundays. Florida mandates early voting must begin, including Sunday, the 10th day and end the third day prior to the election for state and federal elections. Local election officials also have the discretion to allow early voting the Sunday prior to the election. Delaware will also include Sunday voting when the law goes into effect in 2022.

But notice the outrage directed at Texas.

LMAO!!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
8.2.13  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Greg Jones @8.2.11    2 weeks ago

Are you aware that most people don’t work on Sundays?  Yes, I’m sure you are.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Expert
8.2.14  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @8.2.9    2 weeks ago

Answers to American History final exam:

1.  Why not?

2.  Why not?

3.  Why not?

4.  Why not?

5.  Why not?

6.  Why not?

7.  Why not?

8.  Why not?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.2.15  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.14    2 weeks ago

Some people think that if they never do anything but ask questions they can never be wrong. Of course, then , they can never be right either. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Masters Expert
8.2.16  Greg Jones  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.13    2 weeks ago

And most polls nationwide are closed also

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
8.2.17  bugsy  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.1    2 weeks ago
So what is your theory on why Sunday voting hours would need tweaking?  

That's an easy one.

Here in the south, black Americans that go to church usually go to mid morning services that normally do not get out until around noon, or later. This includes poll workers in predominate black neighborhoods. Because of that, the voting traffic in these areas are very low in the morning hours.

This gives poll workers the opportunity to attend church before the go to engage in their volunteer civic duty.

All it takes is a little critical thinking.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
8.2.18  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.10    2 weeks ago
9-12 seems "suppressive"

And a bit of white supremist.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @8.2.18    2 weeks ago

LOL!!!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.20  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @8.2.18    2 weeks ago

Funny how you don't know how to spell white 'supremacist'!  LOL!  Or pretend not to

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
PhD Guide
8.2.21  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.20    2 weeks ago

That little blue line under a word (spell checker) has saved my ass more than once.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
8.2.22  CB   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.2.21    2 weeks ago

HA!

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
8.2.23  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.20    2 weeks ago
Funny how you don't know how to spell white 'supremacist'!  LOL!  Or pretend not to

Funny how those that fully align themselves with their favorite groups know how to spell that group flawlessly.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.24  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @8.2.23    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
9  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Kathleen
PhD Principal
10  Kathleen    2 weeks ago

I just can’t understand this.

You have specific days and times to vote and you make the time to do it and you go vote. I can tell you right now if they were giving out free $5,000 checks on a specific day or time, you would see everyone there!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
10.1  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @10    2 weeks ago

Just excuses after excuses.

Maybe they need to start teaching time management in schools.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @10    2 weeks ago

That's foolish!

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
10.2.1  Kathleen  replied to  Tessylo @10.2    2 weeks ago

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bugsy
PhD Guide
11  bugsy    2 weeks ago

What leftists don't understand is that the Constitution calls for one day of elections, not multiple days, Saturday, Sundays, etc...only on a Tuesday, and a specific one at that

Any other day than that Tuesday is a convenience given by each state.

Anyone complaining they can't vote on a day other than the first Tuesday of November are nothing more than a bunch of whiny little bitches.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
11.1  Kathleen  replied to  bugsy @11    2 weeks ago

In all honesty it’s always been that way. 

Not to mention early voting.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.2  CB   replied to  bugsy @11    2 weeks ago

And what does that make some conservatives who can't stomach the fact that when voting is expansive, their sorry 'stop the world'   so we can get off policies and programs for overachievers get drowned in a political bathtub? I know it's frightening to know that in a fair (state) fight, many voters don't give a rank __ about conservatism.

 
 
 
FortunateSon
Freshman Silent
12  FortunateSon    2 weeks ago

Abbott will dock their pay and the law will pass in special session.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1  Tessylo  replied to  FortunateSon @12    2 weeks ago

They should dock their own pay, the republicans that is, for not doing dick, other than passing voter suppression bills.  Oh and backing trumpturd and his mob's failed coup/insurrection.  

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
12.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @12.1    2 weeks ago
mob's failed coup/insurrection.  

Here is an easy one for you (maybe).

Out of all those arrested in connection with January 6, how many of them were arrested for staging a coup/insurrection?

Let me help you....

None

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
12.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @12.1.1    2 weeks ago
Out of all those arrested in connection with January 6, how many of them were arrested for staging a coup/insurrection?

Let me help you....

None

Kind of interesting, isn't it?

Slam-dunk cases, we have been told, and we have also been told so many, many times that those in attendance are traitors and committed treason that surely we could have one person actually charged that way.

Seems like citing Jeffrey Dahmer for  grand larceny instead of charging him with murder.

 
 
 
bugsy
PhD Guide
12.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.2    2 weeks ago

My guess is charges for most will be dropped, and rightfully so. When that happens, BLM and ANTIFA will once again go on a looting and arson rant in blue cities, and we won't hear a peep from the loon left media.....or any leftist on here.

They will once again act like nothing had happened.

 
 
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