Arizona said looking to restart executions with gas used by Nazis at Auschwitz

  

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Via:  hallux  •  2 weeks ago  •  44 comments

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Arizona said looking to restart executions with gas used by Nazis at Auschwitz
Faced with shortage of lethal injection drugs, US state renovating its long-defunct gas chamber and buying chemicals to manufacture cyanide gas, better known as ‘Zyklon B’

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In a bid to jumpstart its long-frozen execution program, the southwestern US state of Arizona has renovated its gas chamber and purchased the ingredients to make cyanide gas, better known as “Zyklon B,” the chemical used by the Nazis at the Auschwitz-Birkenau, Majdanek, and other death camps.

The details were reported over the weekend by the UK’s   Guardian news site ,  based on documents obtained through public records requests.

They showed that Arizona authorities spent some $2,000 purchasing a solid brick of potassium cyanide in December, along with sodium hydroxide pellets and sulfuric acid, which are intended to be used to generate the deadly gas.




The documents also revealed that they had “refurbished” the state’s gas chamber, built in 1949 and mothballed in 1999 after the botched execution of an inmate, Walter LaGrand.

LaGrand died an “agonizing choking and gagging” death, which lasted 18 minutes from the moment the gas entered the chamber until he died, “shrouded in poisonous gas,” according to an eyewitness account published in the   Tucson Citizen.

The Guardian said authorities had now used “primitive” means to test the chamber at the state prison in Florence, including using a lit candle to check if the air seals were intact. They also conducted a test with water running through the system and a smoke grenade was thrown inside.

The report also said prison staff engaged in role-play during the tests. Guards acted as inmates who resisted going to their death, screaming: “This is murder,” “I’m innocent,” “You’re putting me down like an animal,” and “This is against everything America stands for.”


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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    2 weeks ago

No surprise that Israeli news picked this story up.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Hallux @1    2 weeks ago

The absolute tone-deafness of the folks in this state continues to amaze.
One thing to be in a rush to sponsor state mandated executions, another thing to propose this as the ‘final solution.’

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Hallux @1    2 weeks ago

No surprise that Israeli news picked this story up.

Are the gassings going to be administered by CyberNinjas?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

Horrific.

Some states you get to pick - electric chair or death by firing squad.

WTF is going on????????????????????????????????

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Tessylo @2    2 weeks ago

Hey, in Georgia you can pick Marjorie Taylor Greene's thighs to snuff the light out.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @2.1    2 weeks ago

Would that be 'the night the light(s) went out in Georgia'?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

My choice would be to die from alcohol poisoning.  One gal of Everclear would do the trick.

 
 
 
expatingb
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4  expatingb    2 weeks ago

What crime in Arizona, on conviction, qualifies one to receive the death penalty?  And more importantly, what is the evidentiary requirement to get the conviction with death as a possibility?    

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  expatingb @4    2 weeks ago

Ask Alexa.

 
 
 
expatingb
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4.1.1  expatingb  replied to  Hallux @4.1    2 weeks ago
Ask Alexa.

Thanks for the snide remark to an honest question.  I guess I should have known better believing some people could be serious and polite.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  expatingb @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

My apologies, I should have posted "Ask Google". Just put it down as 90% of questions posted on yada-yada sites as being rhetorical traps.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Hallux @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

Don't worry about it.  Some folks just come here to troll.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.2  Texan1211  replied to  expatingb @4    2 weeks ago

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Tacos!
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4.3  Tacos!  replied to  expatingb @4    2 weeks ago

Really, just murder. In most states that have the death penalty, you also need some special, aggravating circumstances to go from a sentence of life in prison to the death penalty. For example the defendant murdered a child or a pregnant woman, or tortured his victim first, or it was part of gang activity, or they killed multiple people - you get the idea.

There are technically other crimes that can earn one the death penalty, like Treason, Espionage, or insane levels of drug trafficking, but I think those generally are only prosecuted by the federal government, and even then it’s relatively rare.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.3    2 weeks ago

He already knows the answer.  He doesn't really care.  He's just trollling and otherwise dog whistling.   

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5  Snuffy    2 weeks ago

While I personally am against the death sentence,  I do find it interesting that there's nothing in local news about this except for one opinion piece that strongly leans on the article from the Guardian. In fact, many of the sites found by Google all link back to the Guardian article. I'm not saying it's so, but is this another example of mainstream media just copying the info from another media source rather than do their own investigations?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @5    2 weeks ago

Why are you dismissing the source?  It's a valid source.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @5.1    2 weeks ago

That is why.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Snuffy @5    2 weeks ago

All media sources use other sources including the 'non-mainstream'. There is nothing mysterious nor nefarious about this.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.2.1  Snuffy  replied to  Hallux @5.2    2 weeks ago

Not saying there's anything mysterious or nefarious about it. Just found it interesting that all the sources I read from searching Google all point back to the piece by the Guardian. We had this issue during the Trump presidency where one news source would write a story and many others would jump on and repeat the same story,  only to later see a retraction or a re-write by the original source. Considering how low the quality of mainstream media has gotten, if you want to trust the story as being accurate you are more than welcome to. I haven't fully trusted mainstream media in a few years now.

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.2  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Snuffy @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

All, and I mean all, media will print a story at one time or another that needs to be retracted, the problem with that is it is held up to tarnish all subsequent reports and especially the "mainstream" in its entirety. Newt Gingrich was a very destructive fellow.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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5.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hallux @5.2.2    2 weeks ago
that needs to be retracted

And there lies the rub! Honest media will retract. Dishonest media will not.

Fox........ 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.3  Tacos!  replied to  Snuffy @5    2 weeks ago
I do find it interesting that there's nothing in local news about this

That might be because it’s unlikely to impact many people - assuming it impacts anyone ever. Lethal injection is still the preferred method, but there is a shortage, so they have the gas chamber ready to go as an alternative.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.1  Snuffy  replied to  Tacos! @5.3    2 weeks ago

Possible.  But as the Arizona Republic (local Phoenix newspaper) is very liberal leaning I would think anything this controversial would be reported in a larger fashion.  The only piece I can find on this topic is a Montini opinion piece that only references the Guardian piece for information. That's why I wonder if this is another example of MSM all feeding from the single source rather than verify themselves the information is true.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.1    2 weeks ago
That's why I wonder if this is another example of MSM all feeding from the single source rather than verify themselves the information is true.

True or not, it’s ridiculous to liken any of this to the Nazis.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.3  Snuffy  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.2    2 weeks ago

Agreed. But we just went thru four years of MSM being so biased against political parties...   oh how I miss the days of Cronkite.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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5.3.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.1    2 weeks ago
But as the Arizona Republic (local Phoenix newspaper) is very liberal leaning

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Tessylo
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5.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3.4    2 weeks ago

Thanks for that Ozz.  I quote Stephen on that all the time!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3.4    2 weeks ago

Just another in a long line of liberal progressive lies designed to make themselves feel better.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.3.8  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @5.3.4    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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5.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @5.3.8    2 weeks ago
So does dementia; which is the reason that liberal reality is so fucked up.

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What is sad is that some of them actually believe it!!!

 
 
 
Kavika
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6  Kavika     2 weeks ago

Currently, there are 119 people on death row in AZ. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Kavika @6    2 weeks ago

That's 119 too many.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @6.1    2 weeks ago

Agreed, It shouldn't take so long to administer sentences.

 
 
 
shona1
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6.2  shona1  replied to  Kavika @6    2 weeks ago

Morning Kavika...I assume the only reason you are on death row is you have taken the life of another human?

I agree with capital punishment, especially child killers..here you are lucky if you get 20 years for murder. Some little as 5 years. If you murder someone in cold blood, then you forfeit your own.

We do have a few never to be released Martin Bryant the Port Arthur mass murderer is one..he should have been exterminated years ago..but he still walks this earth unfortunately..

 
 
 
Tacos!
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7  Tacos!    2 weeks ago

I’m no fan of the death penalty, but the approach to this story seems like a reach. What is driving the need to link this development to Nazis? Politics maybe?

Various states have been gassing people for execution since the 1920s - long before the nazis came along. Half a dozen states -  other than Arizona - still have the penalty on the books and the facilities to administer it. And by the way, they all use cyanide gas. In California, for example, the penalty still exists as an alternative to lethal injection. There is nothing unusual (or fascist) happening in Arizona because of the gas chamber.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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7.1  Sunshine  replied to  Tacos! @7    2 weeks ago

That's the playbook.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Sunshine @7.1    2 weeks ago

What playbook?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Principal
8  Bob Nelson    2 weeks ago

I wonder if Bayer's patent is still valid. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
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9  Freefaller    2 weeks ago

As long as it's quick and efficient that's all that really matters. If the name bothers people then calling it something else seems to solve that problem

 
 
 
shona1
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9.1  shona1  replied to  Freefaller @9    2 weeks ago

Morning free...would have thought a firing squad would be first choice, especially over there...can always call it..victims voice...

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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10  r.t..b...    2 weeks ago

Just bring back the guillotine, with executions on the public square.

That the debate is over the ‘way’ of state sponsored execution as opposed to the ‘why’ tells us all we need to know about the ‘where’ in which we reside. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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10.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  r.t..b... @10    2 weeks ago

Here! Here! I've been advocating that for a long time

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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11  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

I have to laugh when read about so and so getting caught with enough fentanyl in their trunk to kill one million people, yet we can’t figure out how to put down death row inmates.  Sounds like we’ve got a free and unlimited supply of what we need.  It would be hard to consider it cruel and unusual punishment when so many people are already dying from using it recreationally.

 
 
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