Hate, Ignorance and Sacagawea
A strange thing happened this past weekend as the city of Charlottesville, Virginia was quietly removing two Confederate statues. That would be the quick as lightning calling of an emergency meeting - called with 20 minutes’ notice, by the Charlottesville City Council, which voted unanimously to remove another piece of public art targeted by left-wing thugs. Maybe it was enough that a Sacagawea descendant felt offended and thus the excuse needed to get it done before there could be a discussion by Virginia voters.
The two Confederate statues removed were of legendary General's Robert E Lee and "Stonewall" Jackson, both native Virginians. The extra was a monumental tribute to explorers Meriwether Lewis, William Clark and Sacagawea. Lewis was sent by President Thomas Jefferson to explore the land west of the Mississippi River in 1804 and was a local hero who was born in Charlottesville’s Albemarle County. The left's complaint was that Sacagawea, who appears in a crouching position behind the standing "White" men is "disparaging." For normal human beings who were taught the most basic history course, Sacagawea’s posture is related to her stock in trade. She was a tracker and guide. Lewis and Clark could not have achieved what they did without her extraordinary skills. As usual the radicals don't know or care about American history.
A local observer was stunned by the speed at which the statue was removed. Molly Conger documented the process on Twitter:
"Getting right down to business, not even taking the cherry picker off the truck," Conger wrote on Twitter.
The Charlottesville City Council:
| Hill, Heather | Council Member | Email Heather Hill | |
| Magill, Sena | Vice Mayor | Email Sena Magill | |
| Payne, Michael | Council Member | Email Michael Payne | |
| Snook, Lloyd | Council Member | Email Lloyd Snook | |
| Walker, Nikuyah | Mayor/Council Member |
Why didn't the people of Virginia have a say?
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As many of us know, this was never just about Confederate statues.
Then what is it about?
Trying to erase white males from history. The good, bad, or otherwise.
The left will literally take offense at anything these days; and their appeasers will grant them instant gratification.
That's quite the imagination you have.
Well, let's see, they just removed an explorers monument, ripped down an abolitionist statue and even attacked a Lincoln statue.They tried to seal and burn down a police station with people in it as well as a year of rioting. I'd say it is hatred of America.
It's our imagination/s
Except the article pertains to specific Confederate statues. So don't try to deflect from that. Or are you defending keeping statues of Confederate war heroes standing?
Yes.
I'm in favor of letting NA's decide their own issues, but get those statues glorifying confederate traitors off public property and start renaming military bases after real american heroes, instead of white supremacist trash that waged war against the US and our Constitution that rightfully belong in an unmarked landfill. we've waited long enough for the truth of hypocritical race theory to be exposed.
Lewis and Clark were not Confederate soldiers.
I know, it would take the south decades of inbreeding to create those.
The decision was made in 2019 to remove the statue and it will be replaced with one of Sacagawea in a different posture. The current one will be moved to the Lewis and Clark Museum.
Many native tribes wanted it removed for obvious reasons, which you will never understand it seems. That would include the Fort Hall Indian nation in Idaho, her birthplace, and her tribe along with the other descendants in ND.
The people she represents and her relatives/ancestors have a lot more say in this than a whiney group of pissants.
Well then it seems like an amicable solution was found. As I said, I don’t have a strong opinion on that statue but I have no doubt our native friends feel some kinda way about it, and understandably so.
May we see that?
It’s about tearing down all of American history and culture
It would be nice if you knew anything about American history , so we could discuss it, but alas.....
So you oppose tearing down Confederate statues?
I am
Why?
First, I like it
2 It has been there a long time and was an impressive statue
3 People raised funds to put it up and it is a part of Virginia history
3 General Robert E. Lee was a great Virginian, at the time your state was more important to you than the other states and he turned down command of the northern army rather than fight against Virginia.
4 after the war Robert E. Lee was very respected
and I have to put up with things I don't like so just because some don't like the statues does not mean they should be taken down
and I am tired of this renaming of things some do not like the names of
those statues were erected after he was dead, because he never would have supported them.
It already did January 6th, and your side lost!
LOL
Stealing an election is not called winning.
Ok, and? Some clearly don't like it.
How much time is required before something goes from recent to "a long time?"
See first statement. As the saying goes, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
It can still be put up in a museum for people to see.
It was that kind of mentality that fanned the flames for the Civil War.
In other words, he turned traitor and fought against his country.
So? There were many enemy commanders that were respected in our history. But they were still the enemy. We don't have statues honoring them. We do have statues honoring those who fought against them.
Whether a statues goes up or down is up for a governing body to decide.
That's not really the issue here.
Except the election was never stolen.
Prove it.
Truth is neither side can prove either of our assertions without actually auditing the results.
Thankfully, many states are currently running audits to find out.
The onus of proof lies on the side claiming the election was stolen. 9 months after the election, there has never been any evidence, much less proof that the election was "stolen," or produced results that would have any significant impact on the outcome. The states called and affirmed the election results. Multiple recounts, audits, and lawsuits have been performed, with most being dismissed. At this point, it's just plain delusional to continue to believe Trump won or that the election was stolen.
Seems your info is out of date.
Among other issues In az over 70 thousand more mail ballots received and counted than were mailed out. They all have the wrong paper and watermarks.
Joe stole/won the state by around 11 000 votes
You can do the math
If that were true it should be easy to prove...
We will now wait impatiently for you to do so.
So far, not one state has turned around and said Trump actually won instead of Biden. Not that actually doing so would have any impact on the final outcome of the election. One would think that after 9 (and counting) months, any fraud or errors would have been put forth, especially if it had some significant impact on the election.
Which state? And if the results were different, would it have had any impact on the election results?
The left’s vision for America realigned from Martin Luther King to rev. Jeremiah Wright.
Traitors don’t deserve statues. As for the Lewis and Clarke one, well I have a much less strong opinion on that one.
Since the states of the Confederacy had seceded from the Union, how can all the soldiers be considered as traitors? Dems label and name call with abandon and without thinking
The preponderance of scholarly opinion is that secession is unconstitutional. The only way for a state to leave the union would be with the approval of a majority of the other states.
If it was a war between two legitimate nations it wouldnt have been a Civil War, would it?
Because they took up arms against their government. John covers it pretty well.
Confederate soldiers were originally American citizens who knowingly and unconstitutionally seceded from the Union, and subsequently took up arms against the Union. At the very least, they became enemy combatants. So why should enemy combatants and/or traitors be honored with statues?
Why would citizenship be reinstated?
Ask the politicians of the day.
They took issue with judging people on the content of their character. They hate that idea.
Just like the American Flag and the 4th of July, the left is going to cede MLK Jr. and his dream to the right.
Vic, the decision to remove the Lewis and Clark statue was begun two years ago. I assume you did a tad of research and learned that relevant fact. It was not an out of the blue decision. It was done on Saturday because the equipment was readily available due to the Lee removal taking less time than expected.
That is the explanation by the city. Why dont you send them an indignant letter if you want to dispute them?
Its sad to see such a noble institution as the Republican Party reduced to daily crying and whining. What would Abraham Lincoln think ?
Of course it is........................
Was the vote count?
That is the explanation by the city.
You mean the city council? When did Virginia vote?
What would Abraham Lincoln think ?
I assume he'd be outraged at seeing his statue removed!
I have a question , since Sacagawea was their guide, why isnt she out in front of Lewis and Clark on the statue? That position on the statue would have been "related to her stock in trade", the position she is depicted in appears to be one of needing protection by the men.
That was my thought as well. If she was scouting the way, wouldn't she be up front?
Looks to me as though she is crouching down looking at something forward of their position on the ground if you look at her head angle and the fact she is holding her hair. And it isn't, IMO, a statue of them "in motion" anyway.
LOL. At least you are determined.
Unlike some, I consider myself a glass half full type.
They could have made her a little more animated. I wonder if recasting the statue is an option.
The statue depicts Lewis and Clark seeing the Pacific for the first time and Sacagawea crouching down behind him. [removed]
Look again. To the side and slightly behind him. She is still looking at the ground
When anyone with any sense would know that she would be looking at the pacific..
That is obvious. She was portrayed as a scout! The original sculpture had no idea of what we would be dealing with in 2021.
In 1921 it was taken for granted that people of color were and would continue to be subservient to whites. That is the implication of the statue that you are blind to.
You can't possibly know that was the intent. FFS John
Evidently, that's what you were taught. I was never taught that.
You should have taken that up with whoever taught you that. You could have quoted MLK:
“I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”
Something to think about, John.
He wasn’t insane like those who took down the statue or advocated for that are.
to white liberals.
The sculpture shows Sacagawea — who was key to Lewis and Clark’s expedition through the American West — crouching timidly at the two Virginia explorers’ feet, an image many Native American groups found offensive .
Oh, people found it offensive!
I'm offended by Black Lives Matter being plastered all over a main street in DC! And btw there is no perception as to it's meaning.
Where is the mob that will blow torch it or a city council of ideologues who will remove it?
If you're offended, you can bring it up before the city council, just like anyone else. And just like how the statues in the article were also removed. See how the process works?
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Native people and her ancestors, those people which have a hell of a lot more to say about it than some bozo's we see whining about it.
BLM, LOL another strawman.
Who the fuck are they?
All I see if a bunch of hate-filled ideologues who should be recalled.
"They" being a city council. People are free to petition the council for something and the council votes to approve or not. That's how the system works. As for what you see, I'm sure it's exactly what you want to see.
Maybe with the radical left they do, I believe in equality. No special groups.
Not on monuments. The people must be allowed to vote.
It's called democracy.
Except we are not a democracy. We are a constitutional Republic. And the people don't vote on every single issue that comes up. That's why we have elected officials.
Is that a rule written down somewhere?
Would probably be better if her hand was stretched out towards the ground like she was actually examining something instead of just kinda staring.
Maybe recast the statue giving her a more prominent position?
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Ah come on charger, I can take it.
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I guess that Indians and other people of color having a say in how they are portrayed is really upsetting to some.
To fucking bad, deal with it.
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If they are residents of Virginia they should get to vote on it.
They sure are and their feet are stuck in 1850.
Let us know when that vote is going to be held. Of course, the city council already negated the will of the people.
Not how it works, it's a local issue and that is why the city council voted on it.
The council’s decision was cheered by the local Native American tribe, the Monacan Indian Nation.
More BS from you, Vic.
Yes it is! They also get to recall those ideologues.
In case you hadn't noticed, it is happening to school boards all over the country.
The will of the people is expressed through the votes of their elected reps, in this case the city council.
Then a recall can be petitioned and voted on. Let us know when that happens.
Especially when it comes to election rules, yet the unelected got to overrule those regulations in 2020.
So, tell us when is it that laws get followed?
That certainly didn't happen in Delaware, when the statue of Edward Colston was pulled down and then tossed into the Floating Harbour, it made headlines around the world.
Care to be more specific? Are you talking about changes to election rules in the 2020 election and judges ruling whether they should stand? You will have to go case by case, maybe the changes were bullshit and illegal, maybe they weren’t. Idk and am not going to take the time to investigate.
Yeah, only found stories about a statue of that guy in the UK, so what that has to do with American city councils and elections I am not sure. Sounds like you are spouting some bullshit unless you have a specific source for it.
Even if it was in the US, so what? you are gonna try to take an example of people taking matters into their own hands as an example of… what? That sometimes people break the law? What a profound insight Vic, thanks.
Yes, you certainly fit as an ideologue.
I like the way Vic lists the names of the city council of Charlottesville so we can all email them and bitch. Precious.
I can't believe some bitch about statues honoring traitors or enemies to our country being removed. Not to mention whining about how doing so magically "erases history."
Because museums, history books, the internet, documentaries etc. don’t exist. The only way we can possibly remember traitors is by erecting statues of them in places of honor and providing absolutely zero context as to why their name is recorded in the first place.
Come on, logic man.
never mind that the majority of those statues were erected 50 years after the fact by a group of confederate FC's to keep the flame of white supremacy burning bright in the US.
Pshhh, silly details.
Bullshit. They could have left her off completely and had they, would you still bitch about a Lewis and Clark statue?
Pretty sure she is talking predominantly about the other 2, the ones you have yet to mention.
This is the first time I have ever seen this statue . My first thought would have been that the crouched figure was being protected from something by the two upright men. I could also see why some have said that the crouching figure is in a subservient position in relation to the other two figures.
It is an unfortunate design. I havent seen any news stories that show what the sculptor was thinking, so we all have to judge it for ourselves.
I realize that but I just don't get why this one must come down. In the interest of "fair play"? I think not.
[Slaps forehead] of course, silly me. What was I thinking? Perhaps we should erect statues of Hitler so we don't forget about WWII or the holocaust, right?
Eh, idk. As I have expressed maybe they could recast it an make her look less like she is just blankly staring at the ground, but I don’t have a strong opinion about that one. I do know that we have some native folks here, and I can understand why they might feel some kinda way about it, but it just isn’t a big thing to me one way or the other.
Lol, I made that same argument to Nerm when he was going on one of his borderline racist spiels. Except we have to make sure that they are placed in government halls, on federal grounds, and we should probably name some military facilities after them as well just to be sure we never forget. And of course the statues must be cast with them in heroic looking poses marching forth to victory, cuz history and shit.
careful, some autocrat here would volunteer their front yard for that one...
I wouldn't be surprised if that happened
Speaking of history, I once asked some if they thought slavery was moral, since it is not prohibited by God or the Bible, as some believe morals come from god.
Lol, oh I can imagine the knots they tied themselves into on that one, but hey, that is what happens when you claim your god to be omniscient and omnipotent.
Who is she?
They mostly deflected to avoid directly answering.
Idk, you tell me.
In Post 5.1.5 you refer to Devon as "she."
So, is Devon a she?
Idk, just guessed. Could be wrong.
who's devon?
I don't think this site should be advertising that.
I dont really "like" it. That was sarcasm. Maybe Perrie will remove it from his article.
It's easy to find.
Why shouldn't they have their names attached to it?
If I remember correctly, some time ago you seeded an article or wrote an article praising Robert E Lee. It might have been one of your book review seeds.
You are a great admirer of Lee.
Lee had the view that slavery should remain in place until God Almighty decided that the black race had advanced enough civilizationally to merit freedom.
Do you find Lee's stance on that justifiable?
It's quite telling about those who advocate keeping statues honoring those who fought against our nation and/or defended slavery. Personally, I fail to see any rational justification unless one actually agrees with their position.
It's quite telling about those who try to derail the conversation. Lewis and Clark were not Confederates.
Jackson & Lee were! Funny how you seem to ignore that.
But they are not the topic, are they?
Yes, they are. It's in the article! So they're fair game.
They are mentioned out of contrast, but the focus was the removal of the monument to the explorers. If you prefer not to discuss that, I understand.
I see you prefer to not discuss the removal of Confederate heroes. Let's gloss over that, eh?
If an article contains a certain word, then that certain word can be considered the "topic", even though most folks can tell what a topic is and isn't.
Not everyone, apparently.
No thanks. I'll stick to the topic.
That's been the technicality they've played with during their time. Things have changed.
The whole premise is ridiculous, IMO.
I always figured we all learned how to identify subjects in school, and could read an article and get what the topic is.
I have been shown I am wrong on that.
Except the statues are also part of the topic.
You got it right.
It might have been one of your book review seeds.
You're sharp as a tack today.
You are a great admirer of Lee.
As well as all great military commanders, from Caesar to MacArthur [&] Nimitz.
Lee had the view that slavery should remain in place until God Almighty decided that the black race had advanced enough civilizationally to merit freedom.
Don't bother John. Lee made a decision one night that his home state of Virginia was where his loyalty belonged. He easily could have commanded the Union Army. If he had the Civil War would have ended a lot sooner with a lot less loss of life.
Do you find Lee's stance on that justifiable?
That was not his stance and it wouldn't have made4 a difference. He was still most likely the greatest military leader this country ever produced. [deleted]
Now that we've taken your little detour, do you really agree whit what the city council did?
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This is from a letter Lee wrote to his wife
One has to be a special kind of willfully blind to not see the meaning of Lee's words. He was fine with slavery unless and until God decided it's time was up.
Kind of the operational definition of moral cowardice.
According to the Bible, God was ok with slavery too.
We need not perform any interpretations of a letter Lee wrote to his wife regarding his random thoughts.
History clearly defined Lee's reasons:
"In his meetings with Francis Preston Blair and Winfield Scott on April 18, 1861, Lee proclaimed that though opposed to secession he “would not take up arms against the South” or fellow Southerners."
One has to be heavily invested in an ideology to go to such trouble.
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Sure they were legendary generals, also traitors fighting to keep black people enslaved and considered to be sub-human.
Do you REALLY wanna go down that road?
Just Jim, what has Kamala Harris done to you personally to make you hate her so much? Is your life or the life of your close family and friends been so drastically hurt by Kamala Harris existence? Same with Biden. How has Biden's mental infirmity that you believe exists effected you personally? Was your pay cut on Biden's orders? Were you evicted? Perhaps the local store no longer carries your favorite beer or cigars because Biden is senile. The local baseball team is losing because Biden is president.
Do you get my drift?
Nice word salad and I don't hate anyone. Let alone Harris or Biden. How does it go again? Oh yeah, projection, deflection, and denial.
And you never did answer that question when the name was Trump. Except you were "offended" by his brashness.
Arent you the one who asks people how their lives have been personally damaged by Trump?
Yes you are
Have I ever expressed the constant disdain for anyone in the PotUS position such as you yourself did for over 5 years? Why no. No I haven't. Wanna know why? Because I am not so fucking arrogant to think that the whole world needs to agree with my POV. I may not like the policies of some but I can only change that with my vote. Other than that, there isn't a damned thing I can do about it especially on an anonymous comment site where I am not going to change a damned thing or mind...............
Donald Trump was the worst president in the history of this country. Plus he insisted on broadcasting his profound personal ignorance on a daily, if not hourly basis. He has deserved everything he has gotten in the way of criticism and more.
And THAT is your opinion which will NOT change the minds of 73 million people.
Jim, you do comment on POTUS seeds a lot, expressing your opinion, and as far as I can tell universally negative of Biden. Which is fine, that is what everyone here does. There isn’t a high road to take here my friend.
Of course none of our thoughts or opinions expressed here about anything matter in the slightest. IMO this is just a place to see other’s perspectives and vent. Oh and shit talk certain people because why not?
I dont care about changing their minds, I care about defeating them and getting trump and trumpism and Q Anon and all their bullshit white nationalism out of the public consciousness.
Trump defenders main position , at least on sites like NT, is "why do you care"?
Of course one could just as easily ask, or even more easily ask, why do they care about the fact that a city wants to remove statues and put up new ones. Yet here he is making ten comments on the seed.
Everything people say is arbitrary. That is kind of the nature of the world. People could have always said something else instead. So what?
Allow me:
Kamala Harris set up a fund to get rioters out of jail.
Joe Biden
1) He opened our southern border completely.
2) Immediately stopped the Keystone Pipeline eliminating 11,000 direct jobs and an estimated 60,000 indirect jobs in secondary and related industries. He had no problem with Russia building a pipeline to Germany. He also banned fracking. For a brief moment pre-Biden America was a self sufficient energy producer.
3) Gas prices have risen 18% with $4 per gallon on the horizon.
4) Biden has been a puppet for the left and is creating an unspeakable deficit which means real inflation is also on the horizon.
5) He is going along with a radical scheme to nationalize elections in order to benefit democrats.
He's only been in office for 6 months.
We all get it. He was a nice old man who ate ice cream. That's what counts/s
Trump and Trump supporters are off topic!
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And no one has ever been able to answer it.
Nothing but triggered responses from what I remember.
This is maybe a better angle of it than the one in the article
And it looks to me as though she is sitting on the same rock that one of the explorers is standing on from that angle. Not crouching in subservience. The positioning of the legs as well as the feet would indicate that.........to me.
The design of this monument was very unfortunate. It takes no leap of imagination to see her in a lesser position, in effect hiding behind the two strong white men. Whether it is what the sculptor intended or not that is the clear effect .
Lets just call it a day for this one and put up a better one.
Opinions vary. And it still looks as though she only may be behind one of them and beside the other.
And fair enough on the moving on
Let the people of Virginia vote. PERIOD!
Sure, if a statue is on state property. If it's on city property, then the city votes.
LMAO! It's all part of Virginia. Even bright blue northern Virginia!
Maybe we can look at it from 9 more angles before the radical city council puts it on a cart?
You do realize there is a degree of autonomy between state & city (& federal) governments, right Vic?
Feel free to challenge their vote and escalate the issue via due process.
It's all about technical differences.
Just like using the first amendment to deny free speech.
That is for the people of Virginia.
Then why are you complaining about it?
The difference is, a city can decide what stands on city property and a state can decide what stands on state property. As for your free speech point, that's just a strawman.
Except when a mob tears it down.
Strawman argument again. The statues in question were approved for removal.
Maybe we should simply do away with every single monument and statue in the entire country so everyone will just stop droning on about them?
And instead of naming streets and schools and parks, we can just give them numbers (if the folks who claim math is racist don't object).
That is exactly what the American left seems to want.
Just think how much angst and aggravation we would be saving future generations of Americans when they don't have to judge past Americans by their standards of the future.
Look how much more productive Congress could be without naming post offices!
Wouldnt bother me a bit. Public statues are largely a remnant of the pre technological world before we could commemorate people with film and video and even sound recording. Public art can take many forms without needing to be of controversial people.
Many people are deemed to be controversial when judged by different standards than what they were in their own time.
Of course, that still probably won't be enough to satisfy some folks hellbent on removing anything and everything deemed bad by them today.
It definitely looks as though she is looking at or for a trail. I don't think it would matter if she had a map in her hand. For the radical left it's not a good look.
The radical right isn't looking good at all. The statue represents when Lewis and Clark first saw the Pacific Ocean so why would Sacagewea be looking at a trail when the ocean is right there and that is what she would be looking at..
Another swing and a miss, Vic.
BTW, in case you missed it in my earlier comments the statue in question will be displayed in the Lewis and Clark Museum. Imagine that in their own museum how upsetting it must be for the righties.
You have yet to provide us with the link. My second request.
Did you know she also sought out edible plants?
Do you know of the Shoshone?
Of course which has nothing to do with my comment.
Which branch are you asking about, the Lemhi Shoshone? There are a number of different Shoshone tribes and an offshoot called the Commanche.
It has everything to do with your comment. How do you know the sculptor didn't have here looking for those plants?
Which branch are you asking about, the Lemhi Shoshone?
I guess you don't.
You are all trying to get in his head. It's a reasonable question.
Since they were overlooking the Pacific why would she be looking for plants on a trail....LOL
Making assumption really makes you look like bad. The Lemhi Shoshone are Sacagawea Shoshone band. You seem to be the one that doesn't know much about it and that is not surprising at all.
That article disproves your claim that the explorer statue was going into a specific museum:
From your article:
Although the statues have been removed, the City Council still needs to vote on what will happen to them.
Finally we got the truth!
Persistence paid off!
Of course, they will, that is what the general rule is it also said it was being moved to the Lewis and Clark area and then it will be voted on.
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You said:
"The current one will be moved to the Lewis and Clark Museum." Way back in Post 1.3
I asked you twice to prove it. You finally posted an article that disproves it.
Thank you.
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The Lewis and Clark Exploratory Center is located in Darren Towe Park, a public park within Charlottesville.
According to the article, the statue was sent Darren Towe Park for storage.
The Center has been asking for the statue to be relocated to the Center for years while trying to work with the City of Charlottesville to cover expenses.
So the City has removed the statue and sent it to the very Park where the Lewis & Clark Center is already located.
Sounds like a done deal as long as Council approves after the Center does the paper work.
Sounds like a solution will be coming very shortly.
Pyrrhic victory?
That's called "the rub." It's like having a can without a can opener.
We shall all watch for the all powerful city council's next move.
The culture war has become a competition between victims. And more victims are migrating into the country every day.
What victims?
Oh god, here he goes about blacks again…
You know, "oppressors" & "victims," AKA the evil ideology!
More BS I see.
Plenty, but not from me.
Mostly from you
Yada, yada yada ...
Was Sacagawea a scout? I doubt it as she had a newborn child at the time. Her purpose seems to have been as a translator, as a symbol of non-aggression and as a gatherer of roots. Her husband, a French Canadian, served as scout.
Departing on April 7, the expedition ascended the Missouri. On May 14, Charbonneau nearly capsized the white pirogue (boat) in which Sacagawea was riding. Remaining calm, she retrieved important papers, instruments, books, medicine, and other indispensable valuables that otherwise would have been lost. During the next week Lewis and Clark named a tributary of Montana’s Mussellshell River "Sah-ca-gah-weah,” or “Bird Woman’s River," after her. She proved to be a significant asset in numerous ways: searching for edible plants, making moccasin s and clothing, as well as allaying suspicions of approaching Indian tribes through her presence; a woman and child accompanying a party of men indicated peaceful intentions.
Sacagawea was not the guide for the expedition, as some have erroneously portrayed her; nonetheless, she recognized landmarks in southwestern Montana and informed Clark that Bozeman Pass was the best route between the Missouri and Yellowstone rivers on their return journey. On July 25, 1806, Clark named Pompey’s Tower (now Pompey’s Pillar ) on the Yellowstone after her son, whom Clark fondly called his “little dancing boy, Pomp.”
The Charbonneau family disengaged from the expedition party upon their return to the Mandan-Hidatsa villages; Charbonneau eventually received $409.16 and 320 acres (130 hectares) for his services. Clark wanted to do more for their family, so he offered to assist them and eventually secured Charbonneau a position as an interpreter. The family traveled to St. Louis in 1809 to baptize their son and left him in the care of Clark, who had earlier offered to provide him with an education. Shortly after the birth of a daughter named Lisette, a woman identified only as Charbonneau’s wife (but believed to be Sacagawea) died at the end of 1812 at Fort Manuel, near present-day Mobridge, South Dakota . Clark became the legal guardian of Lisette and Jean Baptiste and listed Sacagawea as deceased in a list he compiled in the 1820s.
Well aren't you just a bastion of info after the fact. Tell you what, after you slip your Sacagawea Dollar back into its dust cover, look up Randy'L He-dow Teton and know who you are really looking at.
While you're at it look up Glenna Goodacre's other works.
I'll stick with the Britanica
There are wider horizons available Vic, you shouldn't limit yourself.
Well I guess it's a damned good thing the pyramids aren't here in the US. The Egyptians were slave owners.
If progressive liberals get their way, a day will come when diplomatic relations with Egypt will hinge on demands to remove those mammoth monuments to slavery.
Conversely, if reactionary conservatives get their way, slavery will be re-imposed on America
Most folks know that the group supporting that is so small as to be insignificant.
Nothing to worry about, slavery isn't making some comeback no matter how many times progressive liberals go all Chicken Little about it.
Get real.
Sadly a lot of blacks AND whites are slaves now. Just highly paid and compensated slaves. They go out every year and beat the shit out of each other for the rest of the country's entertainment. Lot of money yep. But about those health issues...........meh......../s
You're telling me to "Get real". Hilarious. The irony...
Your understanding of the word slavery is sorely lacking.
Why, yes, yes I did.
Outstanding recognition!
You express your opinion over and over AND over daily and I do mine. Tough shit if you don't like it. Capiche?
People who get paid millions of dollars to be entertainers are not slaves.
So we pay them exorbitant amounts of money for a short period of "entertainment" that many will pay dearly for later in life. I guess if you are an instant gratification kind of person, BFD right. By doing so we promote and early ages the "get rich" scheme and lead them into that life with our hard earned cash and sponsorship (which we all pay for BTW through the product(s) that pay for advertising) and the hope they too can spend millions and fuck the future right?
I know it's a stretch but, If you think especially about football, maybe not so much.
(Now you grow up and beat the piss our of yourself for my entertainment) Well I guess the parents get to reap some of that cash too. How many of them buy their momma a house right out of the blocks. And it doesn't even take till 10-15 years later in life to get the bad news you have a career ending injury.
Herodotus was wrong about that, just as British historians were wrong about the Spanish Inquisition, the Brits were far worse. Judge any history you read by those who wrote it and their politics.
Good read thanks. Still skeptical of his formed opinion based pretty much solely on the way they were buried but it's very plausible.
One can't fundamentally change something without first tearing it down. Chew on that.