Islam’s Religious War with Everyone
Islams Religious War with Everyone
By Daniel Greenfield, Frontpage Mag, April 22, 2014
Few divides are as impossible to bridge as those of religion. You either believe or you dont.
When it comes to Islam, non-Muslims are expected to take its goodwill on faith. If you believe your eyes and ears, Islam and violence go together like peanut butter and jelly. But if you believe Muslims and their spin doctors with academic degrees, Muslims are the victims of other religions.
If Muslims fighting Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists are the victims of non-Muslims, what are we to make of Muslims fighting other Muslims in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq? Religious civil wars make it hard to believe that Muslims are the victims of other religions instead of the authors of their own violence.
Religions have a long history of not getting along with one another, but there is only one religion that has never gotten along with any other religion, is engaging in a religious war with every religion that exists, with atheists who have no religion, and even with its own co-religionists.
Is all this violence someone elses fault? Or is it Islams fault?
Muslim hostility to Christians and Jews is not a phenomenon that began with the modern State of Israel or American foreign policy.
Muslims have warred with Christians and Jews as minorities and persecuted them as majorities. Academic apologists claim that Muslim hostility toward Christians derived from an ongoing conflict, but at no time during the history of Islam until the twentieth century did the Jews have a functioning state.
Israel has conveniently become the focus and explanation for Muslim hostility toward Jews, but that fails to explain over a thousand years of Muslim hatred and persecution long before Herzl or the IDF.
Why did Muslims persecute and kill Jews long before Zionism was even a word? For the same reason that they killed Christians.
Islam hated Judaism and Christianity from the start. The Koran urges Muslims not to befriend Jews or Christians (Koran 5:51) speaks of enmity and hatred with Christians (Koran 5:15) and the Jews (Koran 5:65) who are also to be cursed. The Jews are accused of creating disorder (Koran 5:65) and Christians are accused of worshiping their priests (Koran 9:31). The Jews and Christians believe in evil things (Koran 4:52) and Allahs curse will be upon them (Koran 9:30).
Muslims dont hate and kill Jews because of Israel. They hate Israel because it is Jewish.
September 11 was part of an ongoing war against Christians dating back over a thousand years.
The real reason why a Muslim carries out a terrorist attack in New York or Boston is the same reason why a church gets burned in Egypt or bombed in Syria. Its the same reason why teenage British girls get raped and why the Christian population of the Middle East has shrunk from a quarter to a tenth.
Everything else is just Muslim war propaganda that only fools and appeasers take at face value.
The Korans scriptural hatred encouraged Muslim warlords to spread Islam through the mass murder, enslavement and rape of Jews and Christians. The legacy of hatred began with the ethnic cleansing of Jews and Christians from what is today Saudi Arabia and the persecution of Middle Eastern Christians and Jews continues into the modern era.
It is this old hatred that is behind the terrorism against Israeli Jews and Egyptian Christians. It is not a new hatred, but an old one.
The religious basis for everything from Hamas war against Israel to Al Qaedas war on America derives from these and other verses in the Koran, from teachings in the Hadiths and later rulings of Islamic law.
Terrorism against Christians and Jews cannot be detached from Islam because it is Islam.
When Muslims chant the old genocidal battle cry, Khybarkhaybaryayahoos, at Oxford or Toulouse University or when University of California Professor HatemBazian recites the Hadith that states, The Day of Judgment will never happen until you fight the Jews; the fiction that this is a new conflict dating back to 1948 unravels.
If Islams conflict wereonly with Christians and Jews, it might be dismissed as an old rivalry. But Islam, at least scripturally, hates Jews and Christians less than it hates every other religion out there.
While Jews and Christians have the provisional status of People of the Book, second class citizens, the rest of the world is treated as idolaters and polytheists andfaces an even more unrelenting genocide.
If the Koran is nasty toward Christians and Jews, its even worse when it comes to everyone else. Kill the idolaters wherever you find them (Koran 9:5), Kill them wherever you meet them (Koran 2:192) and When you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks (Koran 47:5).
These are not mere words. The Muslim conquests of India led to the mass murder of as many as 80 million Hindus. The Hindu Kush mountain range commemorates a small part of the genocide that took place. Likewise the Buddhists were massacred in large numbers.
Islam does not win many religious debates. It achieves its victory through the Koranic command, Fight those who believe not in Allah (Koran 9:29).
This isnt ancient history; its why Muslims continue to kill Hindus and Buddhists today.
Apologists will claim that its the Hindus and Buddhists, like the Christians and Jews, who are persecuting Muslims. But its hard to argue that Hindu and Buddhist minorities in Pakistan are persecuting Muslims.
Not even the most shameless apologist for Islam would attempt to claim that Zoroastrians are being persecuted in Iran because that tiny oppressed minority is persecuting the Islamic majority. The persecution of the Bahai in Iran or the Kalash in Pakistan show that Muslim religious intolerance exists even entirely divorced from foreign affairs or past history.
Islam is not intolerant as a response to intolerance. It is inherently intolerant.
Ten of the fifteen most religiously intolerant countries in the world are Muslim. There is no way to square that with the claim that Muslims are the victims of religious intolerance, rather than its perpetrators.
Muslims engage in religious conflicts both as majorities and minorities. They engage in religious conflicts with both minorities and majorities. They persecute other religions regardless of whether they are old or new, even if there is no existing history of conflict. They are motivated by a relentless xenophobia.
It doesnt matter what you believe, so long as your belief differs from theirs. You can believe in nothing at all. You can even believe in another version of Islam.
When Muslims run out of non-Muslims to persecute, they attack other Muslims. In Libya and Tunisia, Salafists have targeted Sufis. Syria and Iraq are being torn apart by conflicts between Sunnis and Shiites.
In Australia, a Sheikh prays , Oh Allah, count the Buddhists and the Hindus one by one. Oh Allah, count them and kill them to the very last one. On Al Jazeera , the Muslim Brotherhoods Spiritual Guide,Yusuf al-Qaradawi prayed for the Jews, O Allah, do not spare a single one of them. O Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one. A Gaza sermon demands , Strike the Jews the Christians Allah count them and kill them to the last one.
This is genocide. Its also Islam. Not a tiny minority of it either.
Islam did not expand by treating minorities well. It grew through genocide, slavery and war. That is still how it is growing today.
Islamic terrorism is not a protest movement; it is a new wave of religious conquests, spreading fear and death into the lands to be conquered. Into the Dar-al-Harb .The House of War.A Muslim bombing is not a cry for help by the oppressed, it is a demand that the bombed submit to their new Muslim oppressors.
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From the article:
This is a false dichotomy. The presentation of these two choices as the only choices to answer the question posed is intellectually dishonest.
Violence is directly related to the actor who performs the violent action. It is not the fault of a religion, it is the extension of charlatans and people who profess divinely inspired thoughts of their own making.
How do you know that someone is a charlatan? When they tell you to kill someone, especially in the name of some man created god. Religions can rot in the hell they created.
I never said that I wanted everyone to posit that Israelis and Jews are saints, as you well know. However, that I am an unwavering advocate for Israel is quite right, but not without fair criticism. According to some, that would make me an anti-Semite.
Perhaps, Hal, the problem is one of degree, along with unfettered encouragement to do evil without negative consequence.
The violence outlined in the article is the violence committed by Muslims who commit violence. It is not false dichotomy to blame the perpetrator and the article points out how the perpetrator is encouraged by his own religious beliefs to be violent. When the author speaks of Muslims he generalizes but that leaves it open for the exception of those who defy the directives of their religion (which if becomes known could be suicidal).
Yes, it is a false dichotomy. The author only gives Islam as a choice, really. This lumps all people of the Islamic faith together, whether they are for violence or not. It tars the members of the religion with one very large and indiscriminate brush. Not that I am particularly concerned for the religion's sake, of course. I am more concerned with the individuals who do not think that violence is an acceptable method of bringing their religion to others. We never hear about them, because according to authors like this one, they do not exist.
So, I will put the question to you that seems to go unasked: Is there such a thing as a peaceful follower of Islam? If you say there are such people, then we can advance and find what drives them and promote those things. If you say there are not, then you are saying, in effect, the only good muslim is a dead or converted muslim, which would make you just as dirty as your depictions of them. I don't believe that you do think this about Muslims, at least I sincerely hope that you don't. So how about trying to let the peace shine through a little more instead of constantly harping on how all of Islam is evil?
You are conflating two different things. The one is the perpetrator who does bear the responsibility for the decision to do violence, the other is religious beliefs which are not all the same. You can paint them as such, but they are not.
I completely disagree with this assessment of Islam. I've read the Koran (cover to cover) and it's based on the five Books of Moses and on the New Testament. It expressly believes in theGod of Abraham and accepts Jesus as a prophet of God (but not his literal son). The notion that Islam is inherently intolerant or violent is derived by excerpting out of context language from the Koran and then conflating it with subsequent writings. You could do the same thing and take language out of the Torah and Bible that would condone slavery, genocide, infanticide, polygamy etc. The Koran does not preach violence. Instead, it advocates that Muslims defend themsleves by killing any who attack Islam or attack Muslims because they believe in Islam. Under the Koran, if you start it then they finish it by Jihad. That eye for an eye view is straight out of the Old Testament. There are millions of peaceful Muslims and, in fact, if you followed the Koran literally, you'd have little time to do anything other than work and pray. The entire religion should no more be judged by terrorists than Christianity should be judged by colonialism or slavery . . . or George Bush.
Then the problem is that such twisted language has proven to have been effectively preached.
Perhaps, but then it hasn't been used to justify and reward those who do so.
And how many non-Muslims follow that direction?
Absolutely, I agree with you, but there are over 2 billion Muslims, and growing, spreading throughout the world. Please don't insult my intelligence and tell me that means all Muslims are peaceful and have no intention of Jihad or world-wide caliphate, or, as the article states, practice or condone violence. Just look again at the photo that accompanies this article.
Buzz said:
As long as you don't insult mine by saying that they all are hateful and do practice or condone violence.
"Is there such a thing as a peaceful follower of Islam?"
Of course there is. However we usually hear about or from those who are not peaceful.
"So how about trying to let the peace shine through a little more instead of constantly harping on how all of Islam is evil?"
If I can find reported examples of those Muslims who advocate peace or who criticize Islamic violence I publish them. I have done so with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and provided examples of Muslims and Jews working together to their mutual benefit.
I didn't. Nor, if you read the article carefully, did the author who spoke in general terms, not absolutes.
The biggest problem (if it is a problem and not being realistic) is that the media prefers to provide sensationalistic rather than peace-related news. There are obvious economic reasons for that. We seem to see so much more reporting of violence and conflict than there is of the opposite, do we not?
However, I, and my immediate family, have actually witnessed conflict and violence perpetrated by Muslims. That does have an effect. Have you ever personally witnessed it, and if so, would you admit to it having had an effect on you?
Buzz,
So this is what you call general terms? Or this:
The authors view is that Islam is generally violent:
So the author paints the picture of Islam in general as a religion of hate and violence and intolerance. I read the article (I would be well within the bounds of formality to call it a screed) very carefully, as I have read and responded to your posts very carefully.
Do we need be aware of Islam and it's extremes? Yes, we do. We don't need and are ill served to make blanketpronouncements about the evils of Islam as a whole based on the actions of a few. I know, you don't think that it is a few. But it is this very type of rhetoric presented in this article that drives people towards the extremes, makes the tacit approval ofviolenceseem more of an acceptable alternative when the basic core of the religion is seemingly under attack. The louder you scream, the more they feel threatened.
Okay, Bro, there is no purpose in continuing with this discussion as it will not change the attitude of either of us. I appreciate your civility throughout, but now I must be on my away.
Buzz said;
Personally? No. I have not had that misfortune. I am sorry that you have.
Don't get me wrong, I abhor violence and the people who would use violence as a means to achieve more power. Let us not fool ourselves, power is what this is all about. Power and control.
The language in the Koran is no more twisted than it is in the Torah and Bible, especially given the fact that the Koran is based on them. The fact that clever people manipulate the simple is a problem in all three religions. The Bible, for instance, was used to justify slavery, the crusades, colonialism, burning people alive as witches, the Spanish inquisition, endless European wars etc.
Oh but it has. See comment above.
Just about everybody that declines to turn the other cheek.
I was appealing to your intelligence, not insulting it. The fact that "some" Muslims are violent and seek a world-wide caliphate does not mean that most Muslims are that way. Some white people are in the KKK and believe that all non-white races are inferior which does not remotely establish that this view is shared by all or most other white people. That remains true no matter how many crosses the KKK burns or how easily they can persuade a fool to follow them.
Nor do I, Bohemianfish. However, we might have a different opinion of what a "few" is. Even notwithstanding that, I agree that the "few" should not create stereotypes of all the rest. What you didn't say is how you feel about the "few".
Perhaps a problem we are having is in our definition of the word "some".
As well, I don't think we can compare the past with the present.