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Trump expected to announce executive action on adding citizenship question to census

  
By:  FLYNAVY1  •  news  •  one month ago  •  46 comments

Trump expected to announce executive action on adding citizenship question to census

In a majority opinion, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that the administration's previous stated reasoning that it wanted the question added to better enforce the Voting Rights Act, "seems to have been contrived."

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he would have an announcement later in the day related to “the Census and Citizenship" and a senior administration official told ABC News the president was expected to say he's taking an executive action to try to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.



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The announcement comes as the president has been weighing options for how to add the controversial citizenship question, even after the Supreme Court rejected the administration’s stated rationale for doing so as “contrived.”

It was expected Trump would instruct Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross to add the question, escalating the administration's effort to work around the Supreme Court decision.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-expected-announce-executive-action-adding-citizenship-question/story?id=64262805&cid=clicksource_77_null_bsq_hed

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FLYNAVY1
1  author  FLYNAVY1    one month ago

So a ruling by the Supreme Court against this question isn't enough?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    one month ago
So a ruling by the Supreme Court against this question isn't enough?

One would think. This seems to be another issue where he is less concerned about the reasoning behind the Census question and more about reversing a perceived loss. Like his wall, he will bend the narrative every which way just to claim a victory...no matter the cost, the unintended consequences, or even constitutionality. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    one month ago

Well, here is the question:

Why is it that Obama can remove the question from the census, yet the Court says Trump needs a reason to put it back on?

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.2.1  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    one month ago

When you figure it out please tell us

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2    one month ago
Why is it that Obama can remove the question from the census, yet the Court says Trump needs a reason to put it back on?

Why do you believe Obama removed it from the census?

"The last time a citizenship question was among the census questions for all U.S. households was in 1950. That form asked where each person was born and in a follow-up question asked, "If foreign born — Is he naturalized?"

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/27/597436512/fact-check-has-citizenship-been-a-standard-census-question

In 1970 a question about citizenship had been added to a little used long form census. That form that was only being used in 1 out of 6 households. So 5 out of 6 got the short form which did not include the question which means for 84% of Americans there has not been a citizen question on the census since 1950. All Obama did in 2010 was eliminate the unnecessary and inconsistent long form. That means President Obama did not, in fact, remove the question from the census as you falsely claimed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.2    one month ago

I believe some make it up as they go along and expect everyone will believe it.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.2    one month ago
Why do you believe Obama removed it from the census?

Because he did.

"The last time a citizenship question was among the census questions for all U.S. households was in 1950.

You are qualifying the question?

Your president removed such a question - Correctly claimed!:

"Barack Obama was the first President to exclude a question on citizenship in the U.S. Census.

Obama’s own efforts to not ask the question was limited to the 2010 Census. From 2009 to 2016, the former president’s Census Bureau had no problem asking anyone if they were Americans on all eight of his annual ACSs (American Community Survey), which targeted smaller demographics key to the success of the Democrats in the eight years of his administration.

The ACS even asked the question in both English as well as Spanish.

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In the decades prior, administrations from Bush, to Clinton, going all the way back to 1820, had questions on citizenship, nationality, or nativity. The process originated with Thomas Jefferson.


https://humanevents.com/2019/07/06/trumps-citizenship-question-isnt-controversial-obama-deleting-it-shouldve-been/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2F

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.4    one month ago
Because he did.

The facts prove differently, but go ahead and believe right wing fantasy instead if you wish. The ACS's have no bearing on the actual census, they do not set precedent in any way so not sure why you linked all that useless crap.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.2.5    one month ago

That's all he has - useless crap.

He posted this same useless crap on one of his own seeds.  

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    one month ago

The ruling did not say the question could not be added only that a different reason would be needed to add the question. 

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/27/18761016/supreme-court-census-citizenship-opinion-decision

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.3    one month ago
The ruling did not say the question could not be added only that a different reason would be needed to add the question.

And after 2+ weeks, Trump's administration is unable to come up with valid reason for adding the question.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    one month ago
So a ruling by the Supreme Court against this question isn't enough?

Actually no.  The reason given was due to the rationale for the question, not that is was unconstitutional.

They left the door open.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.5  WallyW  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    one month ago

Nope! They didn't rule.

The Supreme Court referred it back to the lower court.

The citizenship question has been asked more often than not during past censuses.

The correct counting of all RESIDENTS is important to ensure that minorities are fairly represented

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  Tessylo    one month ago

It just fires up his rabid base.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2    one month ago
It just fires up his rabid base.

Seems it's fired up the "Lefties" ! Putting it back on is only about being "White", according to Nancy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one month ago

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JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    one month ago

Now we have a transient president desiring to tamper with the census process. 

The Democrats and the media and "moderates" have been far too easy on this guy. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one month ago
Now we have a transient president

John, ALL Presidents are transient.  Period end of story.  They all serve a certain number of terms as legally defined.

It really is a simple concept.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one month ago

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The Court agreed in their opinion that it is CONSTITUTIONAL to ask the Citizenship Question. What is UNREASONABLE, is the Court saying they have the right to question WHY an enumerated power is being conducted. That is the heart of the matter and the President and Attorney General Barr are exercising proper authority under the Constitution.

DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE ET AL. v. NEW YORK ET AL. CERTIORARI BEFORE JUDGMENT TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT No. 18–966. Argued April 23, 2019—Decided June 27, 2019

There have been 23 decennial censuses since 1790. All but one between 1820 and 2000 asked at least some of the population about their citizenship or place of birth. The question was asked of all households until 1950, and was asked of a fraction of the population on an alternative long-form questionnaire between 1960 and 2000. In 2010, the citizenship question was moved from the census to the American Community Survey, which is sent each year to a small sample of households.

. The Enumeration Clause permits Congress, and by extension the Secretary, to inquire about citizenship on the census questionnaire. That conclusion follows from Congress’s broad authority over the census, as informed by long and consistent historical practice that “has been open, widespread, and unchallenged since the early days of the Republic.” NLRB v. Noel Canning, 573 U. S. 513, 572 (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment). Pp. 11–13.

Yet demographic questions have been asked in every census since 1790, and questions about citizenship in particular have been asked for nearly as long. Like the District Court, we decline respondents’ invitation to measure the constitutionality of the citizenship question by a standard that would seem to render every census since 1790 unconstitutional. We look instead to Congress’s broad authority over the census, as informed by long and consistent historical practice. All three branches of Government have understood the Constitution to allow Congress, and by extension the Secretary, to use the census for more than simply counting the population. Since 1790, Congress has sought, or permitted the Secretary to seek, information about matters as varied as age, sex, marital status, health, trade, profession, literacy, and value of real estate owned. See id., at 801. Since 1820, it has sought, or permitted the Secretary to seek, information about citizenship in particular. Federal courts have approved the practice of collecting demographic data in the census. See, e.g., United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886, 891 (CC SDNY 1901) (duty to take a census of population “does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if ‘necessary and proper,’ for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated in the constitution”). While we have never faced the question directly, we have assumed that Congress has the power to use the census for information-gathering purposes, see Legal Tender Cases, 12 Wall. 457, 536 (1871), and we have recognized the role of the census as a “linchpin of the federal statistical system by collecting data on the characteristics of individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country,” Department of Commerce v. Cite as: 588 U. S. ____ (2019) 13 Opinion of the Court United States House of Representatives, 525 U. S. 316, 341 (1999) (internal quotation marks omitted). That history matters. Here, as in other areas, our interpretation of the Constitution is guided by a Government practice that “has been open, widespread, and unchallenged since the early days of the Republic.” NLRB v. Noel Canning, 573 U. S. 513, 572 (2014) (Scalia, J., concurring in judgment); see also Wisconsin, 517 U. S., at 21 (noting “importance of historical practice” in census context). In light of the early understanding of and long practice under the Enumeration Clause, we conclude that it permits Congress, and by extension the Secretary, to inquire about citizenship on the census questionnaire. We need not, and do not, decide the constitutionality of any other question that Congress or the Secretary might decide to include in the census. IV The District Court set aside the Secret

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdf

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @3    one month ago
to tamper with the census process

How is asking a question (something the executive branch is authorized to do) that has been asking many times "tampering" with the process?

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.3.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tacos! @3.3    one month ago

because obama removed the question and trump will put it back.

which is totally not fair... LOL

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    one month ago

soon we will see  jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    one month ago

I like this plan even better.

 
 
 
Ender
5  Ender    one month ago

Papers please...

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5    one month ago
Papers please...

No one is asking for papers.

Perhaps you misunderstood that all this is is asking people if they are citizens.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.1  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    one month ago

Eh, ask dear leader. Seems he is consolidating.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    one month ago
Eh, ask dear leader. Seems he is consolidating.

Sounds to me like TDS has taken ahold and thus the misunderstanding of what the question actually is and does.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.3  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    one month ago

One only has to listen to Hofeller.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.1.3    one month ago
One only has to listen to Hofeller.

When was he Hofeller elected President?

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.4    one month ago
When was he Hofeller elected President?

Oh, he has this big conspiracy theory that he loves to show off.

Cut him some slack, even though it isn't a terminal condition.

TDS, on the other hand...………………….who knows?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.6  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.4    one month ago
A key portion of a 2015 memo written by Hofeller appeared in a draft Justice Department letter used to justify the Trump administration’s efforts to add a citizenship question to the census. Hofeller’s memo, which explains why the citizenship question would boost the voting power of “Republicans and non-Hispanic Whites,” indicates that administration officials lied about the reason for adding the question. Link
 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5    one month ago
Papers please...

Get on a plane without ID  'Papers'

Get off an arriving international flight and provide a passport    'Papers'

Open a bank account which requires ID   'Papers'

Enroll your kids in school which requires ID  'Papers'

I could go on and on with other activities which require one to show "Papers" but you're smart and know them as well as I do.

Now, give me ONE reason why the government of this country should NOT ask respondents to a census if they're CITIZEN of this country.

It's not asking it they're here illegally, it's not asking if they have green cards or student visas, it's simply asking ARE YOU A CITIZEN.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2    one month ago
Now, give me ONE reason why the government of this country should NOT ask respondents to a census if they're CITIZEN of this country.

because it has gotten too many panties all bunched up already?

LOL!

 
 
 
Ender
5.2.2  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2    one month ago

Amazing to me. For some that claim to care so much about our sovereignty and rule of law, will cheer on the trump administration for consolidating power and diminishing the rule of law.

Congrats on cheering on this new EO and objective. It is exactly what you all profess to be against.

 
 
 
Ender
5.2.3  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.1    one month ago

The government knows already, it is partisan bullshit.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @5.2.3    one month ago

How would the govt. know how many illegal aliens have snuck it?

Do you think there is a turnstile with a counter on it?

 
 
 
Ender
5.2.5  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    one month ago

Ask trump. He says that with consolidating all data from agencies they will know more than 90%.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6  JohnRussell    one month ago

Trump doesn't like losing, expect him to do something cruel to make himself feel better.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago
Trump doesn't like losing, expect him to do something cruel to make himself feel better.

Gee, John, exactly how cruel is it for the President to ask federal agencies to try to compile the information using existing databases.

And to WHOM would it be cruel TO, John?

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.1  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1    one month ago

What is this need to consolidate data and agencies.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @6.1.1    one month ago

Do you honestly believe that there is nothing good that could come from knowing how many citizens there are?

That there is nothing good from estimating the number of non-citizens we have here?

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6    one month ago

Check out the freak show of a 'press conference' about social media that I posted.  It was a freak show just like the Rump administration.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
7  al Jizzerror    one month ago

POTUS is going to defy SCOTUS?

Trump is already defying Congressional subpoenas.

Trump is make the three branches of US government into a single executive branch.

800

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  al Jizzerror @7    one month ago

Is extreme hyperbole one of the symptoms of TDS?

 
 
 
Don Overton
7.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    one month ago

Your normal fall back comment

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Don Overton @7.1.1    one month ago

It is the only reason someone would be so tigger by a question.