Turnout In Kansas Primary Is 50% Higher Than Expected , Attributed To Abortion Referendum

  
By:  John Russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  60 comments


Turnout In Kansas Primary Is 50% Higher Than Expected , Attributed To Abortion Referendum
 

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Voters in Kansas today voted on a referendum on whether or not abortion should remain legal in that state. The result was a turnout of appx 50% , which is much higher than the 35% that usually votes in Kansas primaries. 

In addition, the "no" vote, which would keep abortion legal is winning 64 -36 over the "yes" vote, which would permit change in the states constitution in order to ban abortion. 

Half the vote has been counted , so there is still time for "yes" to come on and catch"no", but the people who support right to choose in that state are said to be confident.

Bottom line - we may be seeing the first inkling of a massive turnout in November across the country simply based on the abortion issue. Will be a boon for the Democrats if it happens. 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Remember, Kansas is a red state .

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Kansas was also a free state.

We also have a democratic governor.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

NBC News has called it for "no", which means the voters in a red state, when given the choice, voted to keep abortion legal. 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1  GregTx  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

Damn, that kinda cracks the narrative doesn't it? 

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.1  JBB  replied to  GregTx @2.1    2 weeks ago

It cracks the narrative voters are turning gop!

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.2  GregTx  replied to  JBB @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Voters in a red state are turning gop?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.3  JBB  replied to  GregTx @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

No, turning away from the gop in red Kansas! 

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.4  GregTx  replied to  JBB @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Could be...

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.1.5  GregTx  replied to  JBB @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Do you think Kansas is gonna turn purple too?....

 
 
 
JBB
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2.1.6  JBB  replied to  GregTx @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

Based on young voters turning out, could be!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

The voters make that choice...the way it should have been done in first place

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.2.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    2 weeks ago
The voters make that choice...the way it should have been done in first place

And will be fought over just about every election cycle from here to eternity because religious conservatives won't give up on their quest to force their religious beliefs on others.

Would be a whole lot simpler and less divisive if we just had a settled legal precedent, say, for over half a century, where women in every State have a right to privacy and bodily autonomy which means if they don't want to get an abortion, they don't have to.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 weeks ago

Great news and I am glad it went to the voters and not the governor. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3    2 weeks ago

The Democrats have their main issue for November. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 weeks ago

That may be, but the pocketbook issues, issues related to the economy, are still vital to the voters, and always will be.

The Democrats need to drive the abortion issue hard, but they must shore up their economic message.

Jonathan Alter, a very astute political journalist and pundit, just stated that for 2022 "the red wave is over", basing his opinion primarily on the blow out abortion vote in Kansas.  Let's hope he's right.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 weeks ago
The Democrats have their main issue for November.

And this is an issue for more than just Democrats, 61% of Americans want safe and legal access to abortions.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

61% basically matches the "No" on changing the state constitutional right to an abortion vote in Kansas based on the vote totals so far.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 weeks ago

It's a primary with a big question attached. November is a referendum on an ideology.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

The results in Kansas are the canary in the coal mine for republican hopes in November. The turnout yesterday was roughly double what they usually have in mid term primaries. Obviously the majority of that new turnout favored the pro choice position. Abortion is a major issue in November, and if it dramatically increases Democratic turnout the republicans are in big trouble. 

November is a referendum on an ideology.

What I dont get is why you think a majority of Americans prefer the MAGA ideology. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
The turnout yesterday was roughly double what they usually have in mid term primaries.

Because abortion was on the ballot.


 Abortion is a major issue in November, and if it dramatically increases Democratic turnout the republicans are in big trouble. 

Not really. Candidates are on the ballot in November - as is what democrats & Biden have done to this country.


What I dont get is why you think a majority of Americans prefer the MAGA ideology. 

They reject the progressive ideology they got a full dose of under Biden.  Can you "get" that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Some folks seem to think that the Democrats are going to lose bigly. 

Now I'm not so sure they should be so sure/smug about their chances

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.9  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

We have a democratic female governor. 

Maybe not such a red state after all.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.10  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @3.1.9    2 weeks ago

Obama stole our last female democratic governor.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.11  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @3.1.10    2 weeks ago

Interesting how her initials are KS.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3    2 weeks ago
Great news and I am glad it went to the voters

That's the way it always should have been.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.1  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    2 weeks ago

I think it is "nice" for assent to come from voters. However, what if a denial was the order of the day?

Though I understand the VALUE AND COMMONSENSE in having state and local people making 'NEAR' decisions. . . matters such as an abortion (and a criminal RECORD traveling across 50 states following a girl or woman who has an abortion) have national consequences for the individual caught in the political 'net.'

This should not be.

For instance. If you compel (force) a girl or woman who has been raped to give birth to her rapist/s 'issue' how is that not rape by the state?

A new 'complexity' for girls and women to course.

For instance. What passed in Kansas is "nice" for Kansas. Yet, do not forget that in Texas right now while matters are 'slow as molasses' being looking into and dealt with, girls and women are presently in suspense in pregnancies (or giving birth) to a child, or children in the case of twins, they do not want, do not intend to keep, or will be compelled to take care of!

Some matters bear national 'thinking,' because the consequences and the problems can and will be deep, and lasting.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.3  cjcold  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3    2 weeks ago

The governor is a friend of mine and cares about folk.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Clearly, tens of thousands of new voters came out to vote in support of abortion rights. This was predicted by some and poo pooed by others. Now we know. 

 
 
 
cjcold
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4.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago

It would have been a 60 mile drive for me had I remembered to vote. 

Glad it turned out the way it did.

I was all absorbed in mounting my new 65 inch TV to the wall.

Damn near dropped the thing which would have made three destroyed TVs in as many months.

 
 
 
Ender
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5  Ender    2 weeks ago

I say if they vote yes, there is wide spread voter fraud....

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @5    2 weeks ago

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Gsquared
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6  Gsquared    2 weeks ago

This is an excellent result.  The voters rejected Republican extremism.  In Kansas!

I still wouldn't put it past Republican politicians to try to find ways to appease their radical reactionary base and attempt to thwart the will of the voters.  That's pretty much a given.

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1  Ender  replied to  Gsquared @6    2 weeks ago

They did that to voters in AZ I think. I can't remember the details, I would have to look it up. The people voted no on something and the legislature made it a law anyway, disregarding the previous vote.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Ender @6.1    2 weeks ago

They are concerned only for the narrowest, most radical slice of the Republican electorate.

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.2  GregTx  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Exactly, that's how laws are crafted. With the narrowest, most radical slice of an electorate. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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6.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  GregTx @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 
 
 
GregTx
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6.1.4  GregTx  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

Agreed 

 
 
 
cjcold
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6.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Gsquared @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Funny how radicals make the most noise and are the least in population.

 
 
 
Revillug
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7  Revillug    2 weeks ago

The GOP having achieved its long sought Roe v Wade goal with the aid of  SCOTUS can now chew on the fact that what they have achieved is unpopular.

 
 
 
CB
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7.1  CB   replied to  Revillug @7    2 weeks ago

Yes, it is UNPOPULAR to tell local girls and women that their MOST PRIVATE OF PROPERTIES is a public 'utility.'  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif   Also, human rights and civil rights should not be decided by popular vote or any vote. Human rights and civil rights just are!

 
 
 
freepress
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8  freepress    2 weeks ago

The GOP caught the car and now it's dragging them. They failed to truly understand that the word "freedom" means each individual regardless of political party or religion want to make their own choices.

 
 
 
CB
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8.1  CB   replied to  freepress @8    2 weeks ago

In addition to your statement, does this mean in any way, form, or fashion that 'PRO-LIFE Kansas' will shutter its 'doors' or fundraising?  I don't know that it means that at all!

 
 
 
charger 383
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9  charger 383    2 weeks ago

Being Anti-Choice is going to hurt Republicans 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  charger 383 @9    2 weeks ago
Being Anti-Choice is going to hurt Republicans 

Abortion is a choice for only one person and death for the other.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    2 weeks ago

Death for who?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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9.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    2 weeks ago

Incorrect - only ONE PERSON is involved in that decision - there is no "other" until birth makes it so.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.3  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    2 weeks ago

Well Vic, I will consider it progress that you inserted the word, "death" and not "murder" there! ;)

 
 
 
pat wilson
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10  pat wilson    2 weeks ago

Brava Kansas, Brava !!!!

 
 
 
cjcold
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10.1  cjcold  replied to  pat wilson @10    2 weeks ago

Born and raised in Kansas. Proud to still live in the free state.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11  Tacos!    2 weeks ago

Apparently, if Republicans want to drive up Democratic turnout, all they have to do is put a referendum on abortion on the ballot. Good way to shoot your own party in the foot.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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11.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @11    2 weeks ago

They're not, like, real smart . . .

 
 
 
Snuffy
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12  Snuffy    2 weeks ago

Perhaps Kansas can be used as an object lesson to the Republicans and get them to craft a compromise bill with Democrats on abortion at the federal level?  Some ideas could include something for both sides.

  1. Unlimited abortion in the first 15 weeks
  2. Abortion limited past 15 weeks only in cases where the mothers life is in danger which must be verified by two doctors.
  3. Minors must have parent or guardian approval for abortions.
  4. No federal money may be used to fund abortions

I'm not a fan of abortion so I would never get one for myself, but the majority of the American people do approve of abortion and I think the federal government should lead in this.  I don't like going back to the 60's where abortion was a patchwork quilt and people had to travel out of state in some cases, that impacts the poorer the hardest.

But as this is an election year (seems we are always in an election cycle anymore) and abortion is a cudgel that the political parties use against each other I don't expect any adult conversations around this coming from Washington.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.1  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @12    2 weeks ago

Who are you kidding?  republicans will never compromise with the Democrats.  At least not the alt-right.  

 
 
 
Snuffy
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12.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @12.1    2 weeks ago

And that IMO is the problem.  There is too much party before anything else in politics.  Both sides spend too much time following party positions while ignoring the people they are sent to represent and this will not end until we the people take back out government.  But there are too many sheep in the we the people group who willingly follow the partisan positions as laid out by the respective parties so I don't expect this to change. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @12.1.1    2 weeks ago

Nonsense.  You're the one who comes squarely down on the side of the 'right'.  Go peddle that bullshit somewhere else.  I'm not buying it.  

It's a problem on the 'right'.  Not the LEFT.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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12.1.3  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.2    2 weeks ago

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You just keep telling yourself that anybody who doesn't scream with you must be screaming at you...   so long as you are willing to follow along with the partisan chants and refuse to acknowledge that it will take both sides to resolve the issues as both sides are at fault, you will never fix anything around yourself and must remain with the status quo.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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13  Drinker of the Wry    2 weeks ago
republicans will never compromise with the Democrats.

After Dems allowed the requested amendment vote, the Senate passed the Vet Bill 86-to-11.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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14  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

They're worried about their chances in November and rightly so.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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14.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @14    2 weeks ago

So compromise is possible.

 
 

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