FBI searched Trump’s home to look for nuclear documents and other items, sources say
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FBI searched Trump’s home to look for nuclear documents and other items, sources say
Devlin Barrett, Josh Dawsey, Perry Stein, Shane Harris 10-13 minutes 8/11/2022
Classified documents relating to nuclear weapons were among the items FBI agents sought in a search of former president Donald Trump’s Florida residence on Monday, according to people familiar with the investigation.
Experts in classified information said the unusual search underscores deep concern among government officials about the types of information they thought could be located at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club and potentially in danger of falling into the wrong hands.
The people who described some of the material that agents were seeking spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. They did not offer additional details about what type of information the agents were seeking, including whether it involved weapons belonging to the United States or some other nation. Nor did they say if such documents were recovered as part of the search. A Trump spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The Justice Department and FBI declined to comment.
Attorney General Merrick Garland said he could not discuss the investigation on Thursday. But in an unusual public statement at the Justice Department, he announced he had personally authorized the decision to seek court permission for a search warrant.
Garland spoke moments after Justice Department lawyers filed a motion seeking to unseal the search warrant in the case, noting that Trump had publicly revealed the search shortly after it happened.
“The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” the motion says. “That said, the former President should have an opportunity to respond to this Motion and lodge objections, including with regards to any ‘legitimate privacy interests’ or the potential for other ‘injury’ if these materials are made public.”
Material about nuclear weapons is especially sensitive and usually restricted to a small number of government officials, experts said. Publicizing details about U.S. weapons could provide an intelligence road map to adversaries seeking to build ways of countering those systems. And other countries might view exposing their nuclear secrets as a threat, experts said.
One former Justice Department official, who in the past oversaw investigations of leaks of classified information, said the type of top-secret information described by the people familiar with the probe would probably cause authorities to try to move as quickly as possible to recover sensitive documents that could cause grave harm to U.S. security.
“If that is true, it would suggest that material residing unlawfully at Mar-a-Lago may have been classified at the highest classification level,” said David Laufman, the former chief of the Justice Department’s counterintelligence section, which investigates leaks of classified information. “If the FBI and the Department of Justice believed there were top secret materials still at Mar-a-Lago, that would lend itself to greater ‘hair-on-fire’ motivation to recover that material as quickly as possible.”
The Monday search of Trump’s home by FBI agents has caused a political furor, with Trump and many of his Republican defenders accusing the FBI of acting out of politically motivated malice. Some have threatened the agency on social media.
As Garland spoke Thursday, police in Ohio were engaged in a standoff with an armed man who allegedly tried to storm the Cincinnati office of the FBI. The man was killed by police later that day; authorities said negotiations had failed.
State and federal officials declined to name the man or describe a potential motive. However, a law enforcement official identified him as Ricky Shiffer.
According to another law enforcement official, agents are investigating Shiffer’s possible ties to extremist groups, including the Proud Boys, whose leaders are accused of helping launch the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
A person using Shiffer’s name on TruthSocial, Trump’s social media site, posted a “call to arms” message shortly after Monday’s FBI search became public.
“People, this is it,” the message reads. “Leave work tomorrow as soon as the gun shop/Army-Navy store/pawn shop opens, get whatever you need to be ready for combat. We must not tolerate this one. They have been conditioning us to accept tyranny and think we can’t do anything for 2 years. This time we must respond with force.”
The Washington Post could not confirm whether the account actually belonged to Shiffer.
In his statement on Thursday, Garland defended FBI agents as “dedicated, patriotic public servants” and said he would not “stand by silently when their integrity is unfairly attacked … Every day they protect the American people from violent crime, terrorism and other threats to their safety while safeguarding our civil rights. They do so at great personal sacrifice and risk to themselves. I am honored to work alongside them.”
It was Garland’s first public appearance or comment since agents executed the warrant at Mar-a-Lago Club, taking about a dozen boxes of material after opening a safe and entering a padlocked storage area. The search was one of the most dramatic developments in a cascade of legal investigations of the former president , several of which appear to be growing in intensity.
The investigation into the improper handling of documents began months ago, when the National Archives and Records Administration sought the return of material taken to Mar-a-Lago from the White House. Fifteen boxes of documents and items, some of them marked classified , were returned early this year. The archives subsequently asked the Justice Department to investigate .
Former senior intelligence officials said in interviews that during the Trump administration, highly classified intelligence about sensitive topics, including about intelligence-gathering on Iran, was routinely mishandled. One former official said the most highly classified information often ended up in the hands of personnel who didn’t appear to have a need to possess it or weren’t authorized to read it.
That former official also said signals intelligence — intercepted electronic communications like emails and phone calls of foreign leaders — was among the type of information that often ended up with unauthorized personnel. Such intercepts are among the most closely guarded secrets because of what they can reveal about how the United States has penetrated foreign governments.
A person familiar with the inventory of 15 boxes taken from Mar-a-Lago in January indicated that signals intelligence material was included in them. The precise nature of the information was unclear.
The former officials and the other individual spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence matters.
This spring, Trump’s team received a grand jury subpoena in connection with the documents investigations, two people familiar with the investigation, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss details, confirmed to The Post on Thursday. Investigators visited Mar-a-Lago in the weeks following the issuance of the subpoena, and Trump’s team handed over some materials. The subpoena was first reported by Just the News, a conservative media outlet run by John Solomon, one of Trump’s recently designated representatives to the National Archives.
People familiar with the probe have said it is focused on whether the former president or his aides withheld classified or other government material that should have been returned to government custody earlier. The people, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the investigation, said that as authorities engaged in months of discussions on the subject, some officials came to suspect the Trump team was not being truthful.
Pressure had been building for Garland to say something so that the public understands why the Justice Department — and a federal magistrate judge — believed the extraordinary step of executing a search warrant at the home of a former president was necessary. But Garland has stuck with his practice of not discussing ongoing investigations.
“Upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly without fear or favor,” Garland said Thursday. “Under my watch, that is precisely what the Justice Department is doing.”
Trump and his allies have refused to publicly share a copy of the warrant, even as they and their supporters have denounced the search as unlawful and politically motivated but provided no evidence to back that up.
Lawyers for the former president can respond to the government’s filing with any objections to unsealing the warrant, leaving it to the judge overseeing the case to decide. He also could publicly release the warrant himself.
The judge ordered the Justice Department to confer with lawyers for Trump and alert the court by 3 p.m. Friday as to whether Trump objects to the unsealing.
After Garland’s appearance, Trump took to his own social media network to again decry the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago. But he made no indication of whether he would lodge an objection to the government’s filing.
If made public, the warrant would probably reveal a general description of what material agents were seeking at Mar-a-Lago and what crimes they could be connected to. A list of the inventory that agents took from the property would also be released. Details could be limited, however, particularly if the material collected includes classified documents.
In addition to the anti-law enforcement threats and vitriol on social media sites and elsewhere this week, the furor over the search warrant has led to threats against the judge who approved the warrant request.
The Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association — the professional association representing 31,000 federal law enforcement officers and agents — said in a statement Wednesday evening that its agents had received “extreme threats of violence” this week.
“All law enforcement understand their work makes them a target for criminal actors,” wrote the group’s president, Larry Cosme. “However, the politically motivated threats of violence against the FBI this week are unprecedented in recent history and absolutely unacceptable.”
Republicans around Trump initially thought the raid could help him politically, but they are now bracing for revelations that could be damaging, a person familiar with the matter said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.
Jacqueline Alemany, Spencer S. Hsu, Meryl Kornfield and Rosalind S. Helderman contributed to this report.
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If his funds ran low, maybe he would have sold our nuclear secrets to the highest bidder. Wouldnt put it past him.
I'm beginning to think there really IS a pee tape.
I never doubted it
I remember using this exact phrase to describe Bill Clinton in the 1990s.
You're not wrong, BTW.
Nothing he has done or would do surprises me.
It is being confirmed that someone at Mara-lago ratted him out. It makes you wonder - did this person who ratted him out know he had possession of documents related to nuclear weapons and was sincerely worried about the future safety of the country?
The Russians probably ratted him out. (Melania is probably on their payroll.)
The Russians own half the GOP now and they don't need Trump any longer.
I hope it was someone with a conscience
smells like the russian collusion thing , same players basically , and trying the same thing hoping for different results ..... kinda like the impeachments
guess we shall see .
"smells like the russian collusion thing , same players basically , and trying the same thing hoping for different results ..... kinda like the impeachments
guess we shall see ."
Yeah it's all just a fucking witch hunt, right?
'and trying the same thing hoping for different results .'
Someone else said that same stupid shit and it was just as stupid then as now
Donald Trump may have been caught by the FBI
May have. Let that sink in.
the last 8 years has been like watching that insurance commercial with the guy in the over exagerated fishing outfit saying , "got a dollar for ya" only to pull it out of reach yet they keep jumping for it . only to be told gotta be quicker than that ....
You think you're laughing at us at our expense.
You have that backwards dude.
Yep, or Lucy holding the football and Charlie brown hoping this is the time he will be able to kick it. It is hilarious to behold some people saying "this time we really have him" only to be disappointed and resort to calling people names if they don't agree with them.
Better than anything on TV.
Well i certainly hope that CI was right , because if they find nothing more than trumps grandma drumpts toll house cookie recipe and instructions on how to cook the perfect schnitzles and stroodles , someones gonna have egg on their face .
rumor has it the stroodle instructions were "da bomb ".
in any event they have the boxes they can now take their time to sort through , dragging it out as long as is told to be nessisary.keeping the deplorable in the media spotlight .
speaking of not putting anything past trump, wouldnt it be a hoot if HE ended up being the hand behind the CI , simply for media coverage ?
BIIIIG fish on the line ......
I guess the best advice is to be patient and see if the CI was correct.
All of these early seeds are usually wrong.
oh hell no i want folks like this to keep going , after the last 8 yrs of get trump there have been several times i laughed so hard i sharted myself , likely saving my life by releaving pressure on the upper thorax region ...so by all means let the cries of wolf continue ....
This story has been out for a couple hours. Has Trump denied it yet? If it was being alleged that you illegally had documents about US nuclear weapons at your home, wouldnt you immediately say "hell no" ?
Trump doesnt deny much of the bad stuff said about him because he knows a lot of it is true.
The POTUS for life who still hasn't conceded, thinks all
American government documents are his and
he can just declare them "unclassified" and they are.
I think he is another fine example of a functioning grifted savant
with a 6th grade mentality.
If Trump had to respond to every crackpot with a theory, he would have no time left for anything else.
Denials would be met with skepticism and derision, so why even bother? He doesn't answer to those fools!
It's funny how so many people who say they are not really Trump supporters are ready, when push comes to shove, to defend him to the death. lol
Looks like your imagination is working overtime today.
look in the mirror dude.
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It's funny how so many people who say they are not really Trump supporters are ready, when push comes to shove, to defend him to the death. lol
5.1 is an EXCELLENT EXAMPLE
They shit themselves laughing at us at their hero fucking over everything in it's path.
There is a big difference between calling out stupidity and defending him. Maybe learning the difference would be a good idea. Or maybe not when the goal is to accuse as many people as possible trump supporters.
It is pretty entertaining. I bought extra popcorn
The joke is on them.
I know, I'm laughing at them all the time.
No John, they're just not ready to jump on one of your bandwagons, which leave about every three minutes.
The fact that the very existence of moderates makes you so unhappy should cause you to pause and think a little.
Well i certainly hope that CI was right , because if they find nothing more than trumps grandma drumpts toll house cookie recipe and instructions on how to cook the perfect schnitzles and stroodles , someones gonna have egg on their face .
Oh FFS, yeah, that's all they're going to find . . . .
A side effect to this raid. Probably about half the Republican party was ready to move on from Trump (maybe less than half) and the optics of this have brought leadership back to being behind Trump. This has further propelled him to the 2024 nomination. I was really ready for someone else to take the nomination but with this...
Only a moron could still be 'behind trumpturd' with all of the goings on of that steaming pile of shit and his criminal enterprise.
Agree. Surprising the dems didn't think of this since trying to motivate people by playing victim is right in their wheelhouse.
strudel
It wouldn't make sense for Trump to steal anything except the most sensitive classified documents. Why would he bother?
Exactly, Trump would surely know what held the most value right?.. Gotta be nuclear secrets
IF he took anything at all, and remember he didnt do the packing when he left , that was GSA employees .
but i will wait and see how long it takes for those files to be gone through and re gone through to double check .
and as i said somewhere else if they find anything , they will be crowing it til the cows come home , if they dont they will just mumble and say its still under investigation .
im still not ruling out that trump is looking for media attention like mentioned above . he may not have thought of it , but he can pay someone to do that sort of thinking for him , he might still be that hand behind the informant pulling strings .
the other thing im thinking simply because i dealt with nuk-u lar weapons , is that shit changes fast as far as where they are , yr old information which has been changed over the course of the last year is pretty much useless , and plans change with the incoming and outgoing of any commander in chief so what he might of had if true was useless to anyone . not to mention whomever he could have sold it to usually has better intel on where our shit is and what the targets are , our nuke secrets? are actually open secrets , they know just as well as we the capabilities and capasities . its that way by design since we lost being the only nuke capable nation , its designed into the MAD system/theory .
Please provide a link to your GSA claim.
Really?
so you think politicians do their own menial labor when they have to move stuff such as in the case of when they have to vacate a space ?
The moving in and out of presidents have been reported and talked about for years , and usually they talk about how quickly the move is done when 2 different presidents are involved , i have heard it called a move of military timing and precision , they have a set number of hrs on that last day to get out the old and the new in and ready to go .
so where do you THINK all those people that do that come from ?
surely its not the politicians themselves though they may do some packing of personal items beforehand . but most of the labor for the move is provided by the government service agency , or people they contract with .
you are aware tha most of the menial labor staff in the WH is contracted or direct employees of the GSA right ?
and since i am not in the mood for an argument or insults , i will leave it at that .
Gee, it appears you cannot answer the question without deflection.
"thinking simply because" this is too complex for many to take in and digest, for Trump would and could sell Top Secret Information to any number of rogue actors in the Middle East, even oh Mighty ISIS for that matter , in a blink of an eye, Nuclear secrets bye bye. How many former resigned cabinet members have stated how Trump was completely oblivious to how so much worked in our Spy Networks and he he lacked any comprehension of how divulging information to say Russia, which he did in our own WHITE HOUSE with only Russian Spies and media inside, as all American Press was locked out after he fired Comey as he pissed off Israel for sharing Top Secrets with Russians.
"useless" you say without knowing or seeing these documents is quite a leap to take without further context. Trump HAS NO PATRIOTISM in him, he cares about himself and his bank account, all else is expendeble. He would sell US out in a New York Crack Smokin Minute. He should have NEVER been privy to so much information, while a total kissass to Putin, his bare back bear wrestling naked man chunk of a hunk of bareback riding Stalin Stallion, severely destroying many a battalion, with only his padded chinstrap, as he decimated many a Soviet Soldier and their ample sample, of Soviet Seamen, and even the occassional sailor, as he got Popped in the eye by some Brutus Guy for no Olive Oil to lubricate theTin Foil Head(s) given, while taken, as foresaken, is his back, siding with those who Put In, too much junk in Trumps' proverbial trunk, like a Davey Shirley Jonesin to be with Rubin Kinkaid gettin laid in the Locker, where within was shoved a Danny Bonaduche bag boy cause Shirley you know was off bangin boots with Larie, cause they Monkeeeyd around in that Magic Bus, till Trump ran em' ALL over with those damn wheels where he Maid Alice sit in the back to smack Sams Meeting in Helsinki, and it was much more than a Hunch, these pukes must somehow deform a Family, thats the way they all became the Radiation Poisoned Bunch, until it came time FORE
CRUNCH, asz they made many a Russian Prostituted Maiden, S L O W D O W N till she became Pist off on and at Trumpullthinforeskin in the game, of fame and SHAME, 4 he not guilty of N E Thing, cause the G O P is a no surprise party that should be led a weigh in chains, as they've sunk the Battleship, while eating a Submarine Sandwich Jared served them, cause Trumps Way is always the Non Alfa SUBWAY
No, no, you see, most libs think presidents personally rent U Haul trucks and load their possessions themselves and a few buddies that were promised a cookout and beer.
The stupidity is overwhelming. It has been widely reported (by legitimate news sources, not CNN, MSDNC, NY Times, WaPo, AP, NPR, etc) that the GSA packed all of the documents that Trump had.
what was that thing teabing said about the mind seeing what it wants to see, even if it isnt there in the da vinci code?
i swear , there are some people that are out tp prove that if they had 2 functioning brain cells to rub together , they would likely burn their house down from the friction trying to get them to work ..
and i definitely caught a whiff of elderberrys and a slight trace of female hamster droppings , i will suggest perrie put out more Decon, in a general direction of course .
Actually Melania, Ivanka and the family and WH staff packed most of their personal
possessions prior to the GSA showing up.
After the moving van is packed out, GSA generally has 12 hours to clean, paint, replace
carpeting and do minor repairs, staying all night if necessary to prepare the WH to
accept the incoming family's possessions.
Regardless of how the allegedly inappropriate documents got to Mar ala go
it is every POTUS's responsibility to inventory & categorize all doc's and gifts and return
them as necessary or mark them for a Presidential library asap.
Trump's 18 months of just storing 15 boxes in the basement he eventually returned
or the 20 some boxes the FBI just seized is just dereliction.
All of this could have been avoided a year ago if procedures and protocol were
followed as was the case 44 times before Mr. Trump.
Once again, he has brought this on himself.
Thank you for saying pretty much what i said , though it was likely in a "nicer" manner . about the only slight disagreement i have is the number of times it went the way it was suppose to ,
i seem to remember some items had to be retrieved after the clintons vacated the WH that they thought they were entitled to and had to return . furniture and some gifts of state that were over the allowed limit if i remember correctly
other than that i think we are on the same page . just different views .
There were most likely similar issues 44 times but the other Presidents established
offices right away to handle these issues as they arose.
45 locked 15 boxes in his home's basement and squirrelled away enough other
material to fill 20 more boxes from closets and desks at Maralgo for 18 months without doing anything
with them other than showing people or using them for props.
He has an Oval office duplicate at Marlago complete with a Resolute desk and official
documents (now removed).
Have to wonder when they are going to raid Trump Towers or Bedminster CC.
wonder if that resolute replica was the one in national treasure book of secrets ? i know he didnt get the origional from the WH or its twin from queen lizzi .
which begs the question did the agents check for the secret compartments ?
which of course raises another question of if the documents were legit or justl egit looking like official documents , you brought up using them as props .
So why did it take the Dems 18 months to discover this alleged theft
And what did the DOJ review in June when they took possession of the 15 boxes? Did they not look at these? There are way too many unanswered questions around this.
President Obama took how many boxes that were put into a secure warehouse awaiting completion of the Obama Presidential Library. It's been 6.5 years since Obama left office and those records and items are still in a warehouse. So Trump not doing anything with them for 18 months doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Additionally if the DOJ reviewed these documents back in June, why was it not pushed to have them put into other secure storage? All we seem to know is that the DOJ came back asking for an additional lock on the door of the storage room.
This is standard for ex Presidents to take documents and gifts from their time in office for their Presidential Library. In fact I would submit that 35 boxes of stuff is rather a small amount and hardly worth the effort of building a presidential library for Trump.
That's a hell of a lot of words that go NOWHERE to prove that the GSA packed ANYTHING for Trump. Try harder to prove your claim and deflect less.
Because some want to be despot, a Tyranical Wrecks of a short armed small hands down fck up of a pathetic President 45, pushed about any and every norm that any ordinary individual, would find offensive and childish, as well as CRIMINAL. He thought he could do anything without consequence, thanks to the Republican Party that allowed him to do 'anything' without consequence. From grabbin pussy, bad mouthing Gold Star Parents, POW;s, women in general, handicapped people, and about any and all he thought spoke against him, and his hands so small. One could easily see how the GOP never holding 45 to being an actual person, one would be happy their kids could aspire to become one day, could encouarage his abnormal behavioral tendencies and pathetic personality traits, that had the overall effects to equates, to that of a Frankenstein monster(the one with the Abbey Normal Brain}. Who out there has the balls to state they would want their offspring to be 'just like trump' ??? Anyone ???
They are talking on the news about some documents that were recovered with the
top secret and sensitive coded headers & footers that indicate the docs needed to be
reviewed only in a SKIF environment and wondering if the situation room qualified as a
SKIF and how the President could have gotten control of them at all.
Makes you wonder what he field stripped and flushed.
That is utterly FALSE. The NARA debunked that bullshit today. Try to keep up.
The NARA is responsible for those documents and gifts. Educate yourself and PLEASE stop just posting unfounded streams of consciousness.
I dont think Trump has any interest in a presidential library. He took these documents to try and make money off them.
how uncharacteristic of him, and yes, EXACTLY why the FCKN Mental Midget would STEAL them from US, the taxpayers who are the actual owners of said documents.
The government of R's and D's has been asking Trump to return a number of docs
since he moved to the "southern WH". 15 boxes were recovered and removed several
months ago with the assurances that that was everything he had.
Apparently someone at Mar a Lago complained to the FBI recently that Mr Trump was
still showing patrons of the Country Club and others, classified documents and that
there were many boxes and drawers of similar documents hidden throughout the CC.
It's not about partisanship Greg, it's about Trump's behavior.
A government warehouse in Washington D.C. controlled and operated by the by
NARA?
Best to look before you leap, Trump's accusation has already been soundly debunked.
Thank you.
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Disclaimer
His Mar a Lago office is set up like the Oval Office but is no where near a replica.
The desk is very similar to, but not a replica of Resolute, just the same size
as seen in a selfie taken by Stephen Miller, photographer.
You are quite welcome.
Maybe, I don't read minds and I don't say stuff that I have no real idea if it is true or not.
It's actually a government warehouse in Chicago run by NARA. So when the DOJ was reviewing documents back in June, why didn't they push to have them moved to an approved warehouse at that time? I agree that Trump should have gone that route from the beginning, but there are still too many unanswered questions around this for anybody to jump to conclusions.
well i could have used 2 words since the initial comment was not directed to you when you butted in .
i will let you be the judge of which 2 words that would have been appropriate and i would be likely to use with someone i dont usually respond to .
So, in the end, Trump will be found to have been meaning to return Top Secret Documents to their rightful place and owner, where they are safe and protected from Trump\ types of people, cause how many around him, have been charged with crimes, and or accused of even more ? The "man' is a walking scum magnet that ponds are quite envious of.
It wasn't the Dems, it was the DoJ and the FBI and they knew about the theft for some time.
Over the past year and a half, Mr. Trump has repeatedly faced questions about the nature of documents he turned over to the government, as well as others he kept after leaving office that by law were required to be handed over to the National Archives and Records Administration.
The timeline in this article starts January 2021
You didn't have to use any words Mark.
All you had to do was post a link that proves that the GSA packed for Trump. Easy peasy.
Since you can't, it's obvious that your claim is BS.
Now, say any 2 fucking words you want...
could have , dont have to , and my 2 words for butinskis? fuck off . i have nothing to prove to you or anyone else .
buh bye .
I don't know because I'm not a mind reader, I'm not in Trump's immediate circle to know what he is saying on a daily basis and I don't jump to conclusions.
If you want to have a private conversation, avoid the OPEN FORUM Mark.
See, that wasn't so fucking hard was it?
That's true, unless you'd like to retain your credibility. Then you'd support the claims you make or simply admit that you comment was bullshit.
TTFN.
Oh and you could always ask Vic about safe spaces.
dont need a safe space , just need [Deleted] to mind their own fucking business and not butt in in convos they are not party too, no matter how bad they want to be relevant .
and i really dont care about my credibility with those i care nothing about should tell you where you stand there . why should i verify what others have already verified what was said that were actually involved in the conversation .
[This is an open forum. Anyone who is not on restriction can reply to anyone else.]
OTOH, he seems to have finally learned what the nuclear triad is.
Your comments indicate that you are disappointed that NT hasn't provided one for you.
Well done Mark, name calling, misogyny and superciliousness all in one sentence.
Triggered much?
BTFW, members do not 'butt in' to conversations in open forums, they engage.
I could not care less where I stand with members, especially those who prove unwilling and/or unable to be accountable for the content they post.
No one has 'verified' that the GSA packed the boxes that Trump stole from the WH Mark. Why lie?
You made the claim about the GSA in this seed, you have the burden of proof.
Of course, 'the burden of proof' is an adult standard accepted by most here on NT, but sadly, as illustrated by your comments, all too many here lack the maturity to comprehend and/or practice that standard.
still dont get it do you gladys kravits?
go ask abner ...
no one has to play by your interpertation of the rules . or the way you want them to .
the origional busy body "karen" of my childhood
Back at ya, Mark.
“It was a chaotic exit,” this person said. “Everyone piled everything — staff, the White House movers — into the moving trucks. When they got to Mar-a-Lago, they piled everything there in this storage room, except for things like the First Lady’s clothes. Everything in a box went there.”
As of your posting of this, and to most liberals, nbs news is now a right wing, white supremacist publication that should be cancelled.
In other words, a poorly planned cluster fuck just like the
preparation for taking over the WH in 2017
and in general the whole transition that ended with Chris Christy and other
professionals (who actually knew what they were doing) being fired.
It's been clear, even from before then, that Trump's not a stickler for administrative details - a dislike for hacks you can call it.
Noted , so i am free to ignore and NOT reply to sniping and trolling that doesnt further the conversation . meaning she can ask i just can ignore and not reply.
will do .
Absolutely.
I was shocked at the tonal shift of that story - much of the daily animus was hidden away somewhere.
Which doesn't prove that the GSA packed the boxes seized by the search, but thanks for playing.
Here's more from your link:
There is no relevant excuse for Trump's actions, 'chaotic exit' or not. Trump had plenty of time to mitigate the violations.
Oh, and BTFW, Trump swore an oath to 'faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States', he violated that oath.
Based on YOUR source, Trump [or his minions] reviewed the material in the storage room, at least 3 times.
Trump's lawyer confirmed that there were no other 'responsive' records.
The FBI found a shit load of 'responsive' records.
Trump lied; his lawyer lied. Now, every day it seems, they fabricate different 'defenses' for Trump's actions. Just more of Trump 'whack a mole' MO. His sycophants lap it up.
Absolutely.
Then I can then point out, as I did above, that you failed to support your claim and it illustrates a lack of credibility.
Glad we're on the same page.
"Trump [or his minions] reviewed the material in the storage room, at least 3 times.
Trump's lawyer confirmed that there were no other 'responsive' records.
The FBI found a shit load of 'responsive' records.
Trump lied; his lawyer lied."
If the minions reviewed and Trump's lawyers confirmed, then you can't say Trump lied. Well, you can if you're part of the production.
Part of WHAT production squiggy?
Why excuse Trump by scapegoating his minions or legal team?
Have you reviewed the ever-changing excuses Trump has published?
Hell, just today Trump claimed that they seized 'attorney-client privileged' and 'executive privileged' material. Sounds like Trump at least wants to PRETEND to be aware of exactly what those boxes contained.
Not one of them includes malpractice by his legal team. YET.
Whose property were the records found in (on multiple occasions)
and who is responsible for that property?
Melania?
I doubt it.
You said Trump lied - stick to your own standard.
So far, all this is about Trump being a dumbass braggart with a box of trophies and mementos from a job. All the chatter about treason and espionage are actually helping Trump because they're way over the top and a continuation of the dirty-hands claims made by the left as they continue a six-year scream of 'rapefire'.
Once again, the drama club has overplayed it's hand. Come back when you can show some animus that sets Trump apart from the current dumbass.
Where did I veer from that standard?
Trump has been lying about the material for over a YEAR. He lied about being 'under siege and raided' and that there was a 'break in'. He lied about 'cooperating'. He lied about Obama taking 30,000 documents. HE LIED. It's what he does.
Prove it was Trump - not his minions.
Again, I ask, why excuse Trump by scapegoating his minions or legal team?
Are his minions the ones bloviating bullshit on Trump's 'Truth' account?
If so, Trump could disassociate himself from it by calling into any Fox program on at the moment.
Is there ANYTHING that you will hold Trump accountable for?
“It's what he does.”
He daily exhibits behavior any responsible parent would not tolerate from their five year-old, and yet here we are…daily seeing the most intolerant making the most intolerable of excuses.
Again you failed to address the issue - prove it was Trump.
Prove it wasn't.
Seems to be that simple.
Trump's own statements do just that squiggy.
Trump didn't say that 'my aids' took those documents, or that 'my aids' removed Top Secret/SCI documents out of the Oval.
Trump said:
I took documents to my residence to prepare for the next day. [
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I declassified everything I took out of the Oval Office. [Bullshit]
That is Trump claiming that HE took those actions and admitting that he KNEW that they were classified documents.
Oh, and BTFW, it doesn't matter if they are classified or not because they fall under the Presidential Records Act and belong to the US, NOT Trump.
Maybe he didn't understand "execute"...maybe he thought he was supposed to blow the place up
Silence ensues.
Gee, isn't this treason?
Isn't this what we executed Julius and Ethel Rosenberg for?
Aw, jeez.
No, the Rosenbergs were caught taking $$ for the nuclear weapons information.
Trump is just still stuck in a happy place where the rules do not apply to him.
So....here it is late Friday, and still no detailed description of those alleged "sensitive" documents that Trump allegedly took home.... a year and half ago!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/08/12/read-it-warrant-to-raid-maralago-unsealed-n2611625?utm_campaign=rightrailsticky1
The first haul was 15 boxes which took almost a year to "get back" and the former POTUS maintained that that's all there was.
At least 4 of the 21 boxes collected this week from the "Southern WH" are full of documents marked Top Secret, Confidential or higher.
Documents that the "whistleblower" says Mr. Trump was sharing with patrons and other politicians.
Documents that if you or I somehow obtained, would land us in jail post haste, no bail.
well another question would be , are the documents still subject to classification from confidential , to secret to top secret, with the varying degrees within each classification ?, how many documents are classified , re classified and declassified in any given day ?
hell i have seen copies of top secret documents pertaining to the D_Day landings that are not classified any longer still bearing the top secret stamp and nothing else .
just because something is classified , doesnt mean it still is , it can have all the right stamps notations footers and headers and actually be ...... nothing ,.
but thats why they are looking now isnt it ?.
This has got fake contrived nothing burger scandal written all over it
remains to be seen , but my thoughts of trump always having to have the spot light , means i wouldnt put it past him to contrive something like this (or have someone suggest it to him , Bannon?) to fire people up all the while being that man with the little hands behind the curtain , pulling strings, levers and whatnot .
thing is the past 8 years have proven that progs/ dems are just stupid enough to fall for it and over reach trying to do "something " to save their sorry asses .
Yep.
I would acknowledge the possibility and vote it up if I could.
and then you act as if the cons/ gop acted any better during the 8 years of Obama. Disappointing.
well if asked about the conservative / Gop actions then , which wasnt being discussed , i would say they acted no better and in some cases were just as petulant little children or worse as those that followed them using identity politics and partisanship to what they thought was their advantage and rightly lost elections because of it .
one of the reasons im NOT registered or identify as a republican just as im not registered as a dem
i hope the late clarification take a little of the sting of disappointment out of not mentioning it until it was brought up..
Why all the fuss? he just needed those files to claim his mansion as a presidential library and wipe out its huge property tax assessment.