If the hispanic population of Chicago was a city unto itself it would be the 18th largest city in the United States

  
By:  John Russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  32 comments


If the hispanic population of Chicago was a city unto itself it would be the 18th largest city in the United States
And yet the right wants us to believe that the governmental powers in Chicago are somehow biased against undocumented immigrants and wants to keep them out of the city. This assertion doesnt even make the slightest bit of sense.

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There are 331 US cities with a population of at least 100,000 people. 

If the hispanic population of Chicago was a city unto itself it would be the 18th largest city in the United States (800,000) .  It is probably fair to say that thousands of these people are undocumented. 

And yet the right wants us to believe that the governmental powers in Chicago are somehow biased against undocumented immigrants and wants to keep them out of the city. This assertion doesnt even make the slightest bit of sense. What Chicago and the other northern cities object to is the secret "dumping" of hundreds or thousands of immigrants in these cities without any sort of preparation being able to be made for their arrival. 

Why didnt Abbott tell New York or Chicago in advance that he was sending illegal immigrants up there "next week" ? Then the proper arrangements could be made to care for and help them. Instead it becomes a chaotic scramble. Which is exactly what Abbott and DeSantis wanted. 

It would have been far better, even from the conservative perspective , for the two Republican governors to give the northern cities a heads up and then dare them to stop the buses at their city's border.

The red meat right wingers , of course, like the way it was done. But will independents and moderates? It seems very unlikely. DeSantis may gain some cred within the far right base, but will he gain votes for a general election? Logic and common sense answer that question "no." 


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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

The push for his candidacy that DeSantis will gain from this stunt will be fleeting. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

overnmental powers in Chicago are somehow biased against undocumented immigrants and wants to keep them out of the city

Chicago is  literally dumping them "secretly" in its suburbs.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Easy come and easy go.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

Don't count on it. Why didn't Lori give the suburbs a heads up before she dumped them there. I suspect a few busloads will show up here in Denver. More bad optics for her.

 
 
 
bugsy
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1.3.1  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    2 weeks ago
Why didn't Lori give the suburbs a heads up before she dumped them there

Because she knew she was trafficking human lives, but also knowing her little leftist friends would in no way call her out for it.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    2 weeks ago

Lori knew that the people in the suburbs would have complained more than she did. Plus, why piss off your voter base in advance. Why make her blatant hypocrisy any worse?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 weeks ago

I wouldn't bet on it, you would probably lose.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2  Dismayed Patriot    2 weeks ago
"the right wants us to believe that the governmental powers in Chicago are somehow biased against undocumented immigrants"

The fact is those being sent on planes to democrat run cities and States aren't "undocumented immigrants" or "illegals" as the right like to call them, they are asylum seekers who showed up at the border of a Republican run State asking for asylum so a couple Republican governors thought they would use them as a political stunt instead of processing them per our current immigration laws which allows them to apply for asylum in the States they first arrived in.

The real issue is that conservative Republicans and their fellow racist, white supremacist, white nationalist conservative Republicans fear their "white conservative Christian culture" being replaced. It's not about the supposed "covid coming across the border" or "drug smuggling" or the farm/harvesting jobs migrants take, it's all about protecting what they see as their "American heritage" aka "white conservative Christian culture". That's why they reject even asylum seekers who are fleeing violence and oppression even though we are a nation built by immigrants fleeing violence and oppression.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago
The real issue is that conservative Republicans and their fellow racist, white supremacist, white nationalist conservative Republicans fear their "white conservative Christian culture" being replaced

How much of that Kool Aid did you drink????????????????

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    2 weeks ago
How much of that Kool Aid did you drink?

" Fox News’ Tucker Carlson , who interviewed Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and  hosted his show from Budapest  for a week in 2021, describes Hungary as a “small country with a lot of lessons for the rest of us .”

Orban " has extolled the value of racial purity , is vehemently anti-immigration, has cultivated  close ties with Russia’s Vladimir Putin  and was a speaker at this week’s  Conservative Political Action Conference , known as CPAC, in Dallas.

Orbán told a cheering crowd of conference delegates that he and other conservatives were in a battle to protect Western civilization against the forces of liberalism and mass migration.

He proclaimed “ there is a liberal plot to dilute the white populations of the US and European countries through immigration.” Expressing the notion of white replacement embraced by much of the Republican Party leadership, he has argued that “the western world was ‘committing suicide’ though immigration ,” and has declared: “I see the great European population exchange as a suicidal attempt to replace the lack of European, Christian children with adults from other civilizations — migrants.”

What Viktor Orbán's CPAC appearance tells us about Trump, GOP (nbcnews.com)

The Scourge of Fascist Politics and the Rise of White Nationalism from Orbán to DeSantis - CounterPunch.org

The fact is this belief in "white replacement" is no longer just on the far right fringe of the Republican party, it is now mainstream and being touted right from the platform of CPAC and pushed by many Trumpublicans. Only conservatives woozy on the poisoned conservative punch wouldn't notice it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Is there ANYTHING you won't believe?

Do you often make it a practice to paint whole groups of people because of a few isolated instances of someone doing something you personally don't like?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Typical of some on the liberal left on NT to try to paint all conservatives with the same wide brush. It is so much easier for them that way.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.2  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago
The real issue is that conservative Republicans and their fellow racist, white supremacist, white nationalist conservative Republicans fear their "white conservative Christian culture" being replaced

That is some real crack smoking shit.

Myself, and several of my male friends are married to Asian women, who are conservative themselves.

There is no fear of anything leftists think.

Only ridicule.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @2.2    2 weeks ago
That is some real crack smoking shit.

Just another liberal proving Reagan right.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago
they are asylum seekers who showed up at the border of a Republican run State asking for asylum so a couple Republican governors thought they would use them as a political stunt instead of processing them per our current immigration laws which allows them to apply for asylum in the States they first arrived in.

The law states that in order to claim asylum, one must show up at an official border station, not just walking randomly across the border through private property.

These people are illegal the second they stepped foot into the US.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @2.3    2 weeks ago
These people are illegal the second they stepped foot into the US.

Nothing is illegal for future Democratic voters.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.3    2 weeks ago

I heard that the people sent to Marthas Vineyard are Venezuelans fleeing communism. 

Yet DeSantis disrespects them by arranging a political stunt at their expense. Not a good look for that fool. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.3.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.2    2 weeks ago

Why would anyone want to flee Central American communism?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.3.3    2 weeks ago
Why would anyone want to flee Central American communism?

To one day run for office in California?

 
 
 
JBB
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2.3.5  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2.3.3    2 weeks ago

Yeah, why did we welcome those fleeing Castro's Cuba?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @2.3    2 weeks ago
The law states that in order to claim asylum, one must show up at an official border station, not just walking randomly across the border through private property.

Do you have any evidence those loaded onto planes didn't show up at an official border station? If not then my point stands.

 
 
 
squiggy
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2.3.7  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.2    2 weeks ago
fleeing communism. 

Yea, that's the downside of sending the gate-crashers to liberal spots. With all the coaching they'll get, they'll be able to say 'persecution' instead of 'low income', 'crime' or 'I don't like the government', when they get to a hearing.

 
 
 
squiggy
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2.3.8  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @2.3.7    2 weeks ago

... should they choose to go.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.9  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.2    2 weeks ago
I heard

You also heard that Trump colluded with the Russians during the 2016 election.

That didn't turn out so well for you, did it?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.10  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.3.6    2 weeks ago
Do you have any evidence those loaded onto planes didn't show up at an official border station?

Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhh because there has been soooooooooo much video of illegals showing up at border stations and none just walking across the border, or swimming across the river.

CNN and MSDNC are rot for the brain. I suggest getting away from them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.11  author  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @2.3.9    2 weeks ago

I dont answer misinformed conspiracy nuts

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3.12  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @2.3.5    2 weeks ago

We do? Tell that to Obama.

The Obama administration is ending a two-decade-old policy that allowed Cuban refugees to enter the United States without visas.

Known as the "wet-foot, dry-foot" policy, it began in 1995 under then-President Bill Clinton in response to a wave of Cubans fleeing the island in boats. The U.S. turned away those who were intercepted at sea ("wet-foot"), while permitting Cubans who managed to get to U.S. soil ("dry-foot") to stay and eventually become legal residents.

According to The Associated Press , the policy shift, which is effective immediately, is part of the process of normalizing relations between the U.S. and Cuba. The U.S. has been pressing Cuba to take back people who are not allowed to stay in the U.S. The Cuban government has always opposed wet-foot, dry-foot, arguing that the policy encouraged people to leave.

As The Washington Post reports, Cuban migration has increased notably since July 2015 when the two countries officially renewed relations, ending decades of Cold War estrangement. A December 2016 report by the Congressional Research Service says the maritime route out of Cuba has become less popular as more migrants choose to enter the U.S by land. More than 46,000 Cubans without visas attempted entry in the 2016 fiscal year, many along the Southern border and twice as many as in FY 2014.

Guess Cubans don't vote Democrat enough- so back they go.

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.3.13  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.11    2 weeks ago
I dont answer misinformed conspiracy nuts

You mean conspiracy like

"Trump colluded with Russia"?

Wasn't me who bleated that for several years and posted hundreds of seeds about it with zero evidence.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago
so a couple Republican governors thought they would use them as a political stunt instead of processing them per our current immigration laws which allows them to apply for asylum in the States they first arrived in.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go along, or what?

 
 
 
bugsy
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2.5  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago
per our current immigration laws which allows them to apply for asylum in the States they first arrived in.

Not true. Current law states they have to apply for asylum in the first country they arrive in after leaving their country.

Majority of these illegals come from Honduras, Venezuela, Colombia, etc. The US is not the first country they arrive in.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.5.1  Ronin2  replied to  bugsy @2.5    2 weeks ago

Actually the law is asinine; and requires asylum seekers to register at a point of entry at the US. They are not required to stay in the US once they register for asylum; as "stay in Mexico" that Trump instituted and Brandon ignores despite a court order. 

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Unfortunately, U.S. embassies and consulates cannot process requests for this form of protection. That's because, under U.S. law, asylum seekers can apply only if they are physically present in the United States (or at least at a U.S. border or other point of entry).

There is a common misconception that U.S. embassies and consulates are basically the same as U.S. soil. It is true that international law protects national embassies and consulates from being destroyed, entered, or searched (without permission) by the government of the country where they are located (the host country).

However, this does not give those embassies or consulates the full status of being part of their home nation's territory. Therefore, U.S. law does not consider asylum seekers at U.S. embassies and consulates to be "physically present in the United States" (or at a U.S. border or point of entry).

However, this does not mean that embassy personnel cannot offer any help at all to people who are in danger and seek their protection. In extreme or exceptional circumstances, U.S. embassies and consulates can offer alternative forms of protection, including (in most countries) temporary refuge, a referral to the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, or a request for parole to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Note to all leftists. Just because illegal immigrants cross our border and request asylum doesn't mean they are legally allowed to stay here. They are still illegal immigrants. They should be forced to stay in Mexico until their court dates; but Brandon doesn't believe in enforcing US immigration laws. Even when the courts order him to.  Hopping illegals from state to state in the dead of night using tax payer money is illegal as hell; but don't expect Democrats to ever call him out on it.

Nor will Democrats ever allow the immigration laws to be changed so asylum can be requested from a US embassy. They want such an influx of illegal immigrants that it forces immigration reform- and all illegals in this country are granted immediate US citizenship. 

They are guessing there are 11.35 million illegals in the US. Chances are it is about double that given the way the US government counts. Democrats want to shift the voting dynamic forever to favor them. 

They are hoping that everyone is too stupid to notice.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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2.6  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2    2 weeks ago
The fact is those being sent on planes to democrat run cities and States aren't "undocumented immigrants" or "illegals" as the right like to call them, they are asylum seekers who showed up at the border of a Republican run State asking for asylum so a couple Republican governors thought they would use them as a political stunt instead of processing them per our current immigration laws which allows them to apply for asylum in the States they first arrived in.

That's the point.  These 'asylum seekers' are unannounced arrivals at the border and not at a port of entry.  They just show up without warning.  They jump the border and expect to be accommodated.

You do know that asylum requests can be handled at ports of entry?  Entering through a port of entry gives everyone a heads up that they're coming.  It's not necessary to wade the Rio Grande.  It's not necessary to climb a wall.  It's not necessary to enter the country illegally.

Who are these 'asylum seekers' trying to avoid?  The Biden administration is favorably predisposed to granting asylum.

 
 

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