Promoting His New Book, Mike Pence Turns On Trump

  
By:  John Russell  •  3 weeks ago  •  9 comments


Promoting His New Book, Mike Pence Turns On Trump
Pence cannot bring himself to say that Trump should never be president again. 

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David Muir asks Mike Pence the 64,000 dollar question -  "should  Donald Trump ever be president again ?"

Pence - "that is up to the American people". 

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Sounds like Pence is still scared of Trump.  In a lengthy interview associated with the release of Pence's new memoir "So Help Me God", Pence paints Trump on Jan 6 as inciting a riot, ignoring the danger the people at the Capitol were in, says Trump endangered Pence's family, and wanted both of them to break their oath to uphold the Constitution, and yet, when the rubber meets the road, Pence cannot bring himself to say that Trump should never be president again. 

Tonight on ABC (10 eastern time, 9 central)  the entire interview will be shown as part of an ABC News special. 

Pence wants to run for president, and obviously fears pissing off MAGA before he even gets started. 

But they are all "done" with Trump. Yeah , right. 

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Pence to Muir: Trump's words on 1/6 'endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol'


ABC News 3-3 minutes   11/13/2022



Former Vice President Mike Pence said in an exclusive interview with ABC's "World News Tonight" anchor David Muir that former President Donald Trump's rhetoric was "reckless"   as a mob of his supporters ransacked the Capitol last year   -- with Pence and others temporarily   forced into hiding .

"I mean, the president's words were reckless. It was clear he decided to be part of the problem," Pence told Muir.

Pence said he was "angered" over a tweet from Trump as the insurrection unfolded, when the former president said he "didn't have the courage to do what should have been done" after he rebuffed pressure to not certify now-President Joe Biden's 2020 victory.

"I turned to my daughter, who was standing nearby, and I said, 'It doesn't take courage to break the law. It takes courage to uphold the law,'" Pence, who is releasing the memoir "So Help Me God" on Tuesday, told Muir in his first network TV interview since the insurrection.

In an exclusive interview at the former vice president's home in Indiana, Muir also pressed Pence on whether Trump should ever be in the White House again, whether Pence will run for president, whether Trump hurt Republicans in the midterms and what Pence makes of authorities saying classified documents were taken from the White House.


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Former Vice President Mike Pence is interviewed by David Muir of ABC News.

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Pence was overseeing Congress' certification of the 2020 Electoral College results on Jan. 6, 2021, when a large crowd urged on by Trump marched to the Capitol and then overran security and vandalized the building, sending Pence and congressional lawmakers into lockdown.

"The president's words were reckless and his actions were reckless," he told Muir this week. "The president's words that day at the rally [before the riot] endangered me and my family and everyone at the Capitol building."

Trump ultimately told the rioters to leave but only after berating Pence for not blocking the certification -- which Pence noted he couldn't legally do -- and repeating baseless conspiracy theories about widespread fraud in the 2020 election.

Since leaving office, Pence has praised the policies of their administration   while breaking with Trump   over the latter's fixation on the last presidential race.



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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

I'd say its a black eye for Trump, but both his eyes have been black for years. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago
I'd say its a black eye for Trump, but both his eyes have been black for years. 

Why do you equate black as a negative?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    3 weeks ago

You do know what a black eye is, right?  Its not really black.

Whether or not black is a "negative" depends on the usage. For some reason I think you probably already know that. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2  bbl-1    3 weeks ago

Day late and a dollar short Mike but at least some of your patriotic spirit is surfacing.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3  Tacos!    3 weeks ago
Mike Pence Turns On Trump

Pretty sure he had turned on Trump on January 6. That’s to his credit.

I like that he said,

It doesn't take courage to break the law. It takes courage to uphold the law,'"

It’s not just pithy. It tells us he thought that either Trump was breaking the law or demanding that Pence break the law.

after berating Pence for not blocking the certification

That is not the VP’s role, and Pence understood that.

The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. - U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1.

The VP has 2 jobs: 1) Open the Certificates. 2) Count the votes. That’s it. Period. He has no other authority. The Constitution gives sole authority for choosing electors (and thus how they will vote) to the states.

It’s really not that complicated. When they do the count, the senators do this thing where they say the certificate appears to be authentic or whatever, but that little gesture is not specifically required. Even so, all that does is acknowledge the authenticity of the certificate, not the vote. “Reaching” is not a strong enough word to describe what Trump claims he thought the law was.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  author  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
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A sizable chunk of the political coverage of the Donald   Trump   "presidency" consisted of stories about Donald   Trump   either breaking laws or demanding other people break laws, with an implicit understanding by all concerned that this was just something   Trump   and his endless supply of toadies did and that nobody intended to do a damn thing about it. Treasonboy has been out of office for nearly two years now, but the hits keep coming.

This time, it's   a   New York Times   story in which onetime   Trump   Chief of Staff John Kelly told the   Times   that, oh, yeah,   Trump   was trying to use the Department of Justice and Internal Revenue Service to do crimes all the time! No question about it! Kelly, being a fine upstanding citizen who's all about the Constitution and not doing crimes, rebuffed him over and over, but that never stopped   Trump   from demanding he do crimes! Heck, the guy was a veritable advent calendar of new crime requests! Anytime somebody in Washington, D.C., or elsewhere pissed Donald off, he'd have to talk Donald down from doing the crimes!

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Oh, and after Kelly left, the crimes appear to have actually happened, because every time   Trump   fired someone, he'd replace him with someone he thought would be more willing to do crimes. For Kelly's post,   Trump   would go on to choose House Freedom Caucus crime-likers Mick Mulvaney and, later, Mark Meadows (go figure), which was a pretty bold admission from all sides that if you're a high-level Republican attempting to do crimes, then picking pretty much anyone out of the Freedom Caucus will be your best and most efficient path forward.

This is our lives now. Forever, apparently. An unending stream of top-level Republicans freely admitting to the press that Donald   Trump   was absolutely trying to do very specific crimes all the damn day long, both before and after being scraped out of the White House with a stick, and no matter how many times it happened, everyone stayed quiet about it and concerned themselves mainly with making sure they personally couldn't be tagged with the crimes if and when somebody else decided to do them.

Or, as it is more commonly known, the Jim Jordan gambit.

At issue is the new claim from Donald   Trump   that he, as "president," used the Department of Justice and Internal Revenue Service to help Florida Republican Ron DeSantis win the state's governorship in 2018. As always, it is unclear what Treasonboy is talking about, and there's a better than 80% chance he's just lying through his coup-attempting teeth, because Donald   Trump   lies about everything, all the time. It did, however, prompt   Trump 's White House chief of staff at the time, John Kelly, to inform   The Times   that he wasn't aware of any such effort.

But, Kelly now tells   The Times ,   Trump   did   ask him to use those two government agencies to investigate or harass many of   Trump 's self-declared political enemies, including former FBI Director James Comey, former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe, former CIA Director John Brennan, two FBI employees   Trump   targeted for their involvement in the probe of Russian election manipulation, and others.

Kelly says he repeatedly refused, warning   Trump   that using government investigations to target political enemies was not just "inappropriate" but "illegal," only to have   Trump   return to the topic time and time again. But after Kelly left, James Comey and Andrew McCabe   did   find themselves targets of intensive IRS audits. The IRS insists that those audits, among the most invasive and expensive types of audits the IRS is able to bring to bear, were random coincidences.

What are the odds of either man being targeted by random chance?

"Out of the 153 million returns filed for the year Mr. Comey was audited, only 5,000 tax returns were targeted for the audit. For the year Mr. McCabe was audited, 154 million people filed returns and 8,000 were selected for the audit," reports   The Times , and that gives us our answer. The odds that James Comey was "randomly" selected by the IRS for hyper-thorough auditing is 0.0033%; for McCabe, it is 0.0052%.

Even presuming   Trump   regularly demanded audits of, say, all 50 of his most hated enemies, the odds of any one of them "randomly" landing in the IRS' audit crosshairs is roughly, what? 1 in 50,000? For   both   Trump 's most-hated FBI director and his direct most-hated subordinate to land on that same square, purely as coincidence?

Trump   is either one of the luckiest ratbastards on the planet, or multiple somebodies in his chain of command were willing to go forward with the exact crimes Kelly says   Trump   was obsessed with committing during Kelly's tenure. And a man who can bankrupt a casino isn't exactly swimming in that kind of luck.

This is, no matter how many times the major papers dump it on us, Not Normal. It is not normal for countless members of an administration, past or present, to lazily mention to the press that a sitting president was constantly pressing his subordinates to commit crimes. It is not normal for nearly every sloughed-off member of an administration to insist, to the press, that the creature they worked for was forever ignorant about his oath of office, the constraints on the office, what he was supposed to be doing, what he was supposed to be paying attention to, or indeed anything that wasn't delivered with his name or a picture of his own face littering the pages to keep his meager attention.

It is not normal for   any   democracy to have a leader who is constantly attempting to Do Crimes so that he can get back at people who have insulted or exposed him. Hiding classified national security documents in a private golf resort while insisting to the government that he doesn't have them, and if he does, they're his own property anyway: not normal. Attempting a coup for the sole reason of being inordinately butt-hurt: not normal.

You are not at fault for wondering why an entire national party is and was willing to directly enable criminal actions by their leader, or, failing that, covering them up, or failing that, at least doing the would-be criminal the favor of ignoring his attempts at crime so that if the crime happened elsewhere than at least they personally.

Kelly's new information, delivered long after it would have done a plausible amount of good, is that the   Trump   enemies who find themselves targeted by the IRS were, in fact, the   Trump   enemies   Trump   was most obsessed with unleashing the IRS upon, back when he had the power to do so. This news, coupled with the extreme implausibility of   Trump 's targets being subject to such attention by random chance, rather strongly suggests that somebody in   Trump 's pre-violent-coup orbit accommodated his White House demands to do crimes.

We might presume it's one of the people   Trump   specifically hired on for their willingness to commit crimes, but that would be rude.

We might presume it somehow involves Mark Freaking Meadows, who wouldn't let even an attempted overthrow of the government tarnish his devotion to ignoring Republican criminal acts, and that would also be rude. But we'll do it anyway, because when you're asking who in   Trump 's orbit would be most likely to help him do crimes, "ex-House Republican plucked from the Freedom Caucus" is always, always going to be a good bet. That's a resume that fairly screams, "I will help you do crimes."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago
A sizable chunk of the political coverage of the Donald   Trump   "presidency" consisted of stories about Donald   Trump   either breaking laws or demanding other people break laws, with an implicit understanding by all concerned that this was just something   Trump   and his endless supply of toadies did and that nobody intended to do a damn thing about it.

If we listen to the jackasses, Trump has never been "convicted" therefore he is innocent.  Well karma is coming for all of that shit. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    3 weeks ago
 Well karma is coming for all of that shit. 

Do you really believe in karma?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.1    3 weeks ago

is it time to start the deletions already ? 

 
 

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