3 Children and 3 Adults Were Shot And Killed At A School Shooting Today, And It Doesnt Even Feel Like News
3 nine year olds and 3 adults were shot and killed by a 28 year old woman at a grammar school in Nashville today. Reports are the shooter was armed with two "assault style" rifles and a handgun.
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A few years ago this would be an all day news story dominating every channel. Now it is just another day in America.
Sad but true. Mental health illness seems to grow with every year in our society.
So we should make guns more available to the mentally ill.. Seems legit.
My comment didn't imply that in anyway.
Did you ever think it doesn't fit the narrative?
No, this incident would not have received much coverage even a few years ago. Nothing about the incident fits the media bias.
The attacker doesn't fit the media bias. The victims don't fit that bias. The school doesn't fit that bias. The actions of the cops don't fit that bias.
Bodycam video shows an assault rifle heading up the stairs to confront the attacker. So, even that doesn't fit the media bias.
The media can't use this incident to feed their own bias. So, obviously it's not news.
If the shooter is who the online reports indicates, it won't be for long.
Too bad this transgender killer wasnt armed with a squirt gun. Then it wouldnt matter what the "identification" was, would it?
Any demographic stats?
Tell us about all the gang warfare shootouts that prove that black people are the real mass killers.
I don’t know about gang warfare but:
Latinos are underrepresented then.
Latinos outnumber blacks in America.
Those numbers you provided look pretty close in line with the numbers for the general population.
Can’t find the numbers but it would be interesting to see urban versus rural demographics.
A lot of people being killed by gang violence, including little kids and innocent women.
Especially in big cities.
You deflect.
And yet you ignore and forget the inconvenient truth that black-on-black shootings account for more total victims over time.
Again you deflect.
Deflect? Isn't your issue the number of Americans killed by homicide?
s o insane that majority of school shooters and mass murderers who kill innocent people are white, straight men
75% of the mass shootings in 2021 were committed by blacks.
mass shootings done as part of gang activity and gang warfare should be a separate category.
same as suicide by firearm shouldnt even be counted as gun violence ...
It's okay though. Our children are safe from drag shows.
Not all drag shows are equal. Do you approve of this sort of action at a drag show against a child under the age of 18?
And before you disregard or ignore this due to the source...
The queen should not have 'forgot' herself and maybe she went too far in that single instance. That said, a policy change (which I understand North Carolina schools are looking into) can fix this, without a ban . That said, thi s queen is tone-deaf to an understanding and acceptance that there are conservatives itching to take a 'moment' and exploit it as the norm. Perhaps, it would benefit "her" to take a sensitivity course to stay above the 'fold' on contact or simulated contact with young adults.
Drag queens are under the spotlight now and they need to be cautious and uniform in their approach to these 'hours.'
It is evidently clear that these queens were "Special Guests" headliners on the flyer. Also, by virtue of its description anyone attending a PRIDE FESTIVAL can take for granted some 'risque' performances will be on the bill.
There were adults present. There were religious leaders present. Even faculty, staff, and campus police were present. This event evidently did not go to far as no one was arrested. Although, conservatives were offended.
The queens should self-censor their routines, but I reckon they have their 'stage reputation' to keep intact—it is their business model after all.
Are some conservatives 'outraged' by the 'act' of simulating a lap dance (for mere seconds on the clock), of course. How could some conservatives not be?
I mean no malicious intent meant by this: But, these drag events are for (young) people who want to be there/need this 'outlet' - not for old people who are set in their ways and judgemental about well, 'everything.' Again, no bad intent is meant about stating the obvious. For a great many older folks, this is their 'first' time brushing up against what drag queens do for a living and in their own limelights!
The action of a drag queen posing with young girls? Were the girls ted up or forced to be in those photos? If not, then why shouldn't they be allowed to? Are you afraid that gayness is contagious?
They’re convinced of it.
If you put out that rumor, DeSantis will be the first one mandating masks.
If you had read the story or even read what I highlighted in my post, you should have been able to understand that it was not a drag queen "posing" with a young girl, it was a drag queen straddling and giving a lap dance to a young girl. By your dismissive post I must take from it that you approve of such actions. So you approve of a man in drag thrusting his crotch into a young girl. Well damn... That's not gayness being contagious, that's an adult committing sex abuse on a minor.
Are they with the "young" girls consent? What do you mean "young", this occurred at a college, so what was the age of this specific "young girl"?
You like using the word "young" just like the article you referenced. What was her age???? At a college, she could have been in her 20's, but since that does not fit your narrative, you just keep repeating "young".
For god's sake!!!! Prove she was a minor, and prove it was not consensual!!!!!
The college has students as young as 14, had you read any of the links you would have seen that. The article also stated there were minors present and the article states the girl in question is "young" but nowhere does it state the age of the girl. But your disregard to the lapdance and pelvic grinding in this setting...
I refuse to converse with anybody who would attempt to excuse this sort of behaviour. This is not drag queens reading a book and posing with children, this is a man in scanty clothes giving a lap dance to a "young" girl and in front of minors. There is no excuse for dismissing this sort of action.
Just fuck off and go away.
Or as old as??????
I saw it, been has nothing to do with the specific action you are referencing. How old was the girl that was being given the "lap dance" that you are so outraged about???
So what? Everyone was fully dressed. Do we need Kevin Bacon to explain to you that there is nothing wrong with dancing?
So you admit that the article is just trying to stir up bigotry. "Young" is relative. I am in my 60's and have still been addressed as "young man" by even older people.
I assume you were equally insulted and outraged by Elvis the pelvis?
The behavior of grown adults dancing????
Why does a school shooting have to evolve into a bitchfest about race?
Morning Texan...good bloody question..
All I see is Americans shooting Americans...and how do you say it..how dumbass is that..and worse little kids. 🥀🥀🥀
Some people have no good questions.
It is indeed a tragedy, only made worse by people trying to make it a racial thing.
Completely stupid when people have just been shot and killed, but expected here.
You'll find no answers here to my question.
It appears the killer left a manifesto and a map of how it was to play out.
A tragic hate crime.
An English Professor at Wayne State University responding to the Stanford Law incident:
"I think it is far more admirable to kill a racist, homophobic, or transphobic speaker than it is to shout them down,"
The buzz word on the left a few months ago was stochastic terrorism. I doubt they'll be making that argument anytime soon.
Words probably supported wholly by many on the left.
It was reported that the shooter, Audrey Hale once attended the school.
Sadly, we have three dead children and three adults. Many lives lost and many more will be devasted by this shooting.
Just another day in America.
"And it doesn't even feel like news." That's because it ISN'T news - something that happens every day isn't news. Did you wake up this morning - well that's not news, right?- because you wake up every morning. What IS news is something that DOESN'T happen every day. Welcome to America.
Even this does not matter. A republican congress person commenting on a similar event recently stated that, "This is the price of freedom." I assume he was equating the assault rifle as freedom and dead kids in a school on the same level as dead soldiers on the beaches of Normandy.
Maybe your assumptions need some work.
We are now averaging about 1.5 mass shootings per day since 1/2023.
Exactly, we have too many crazy people in this country.
What would ever possess someone to put a picture of the family toting guns on a Christmas card?
The left seems angrier at him than the left wing terrorist who killed kids.
Seems weird since, "leftists" hate guns.
Lol. If only history didn't exist, you'd have an argument.
Whatever, but most of the shooters have been lefities.
It's not right wingers shooting up left wing cities, that's for sure.
They are probably going to have a committee and try to legislate what can and can not be on Christmas cards.
So the hell what?
Were the guns all legally bought? Are they holding them wrong? All of their fingers seem to be well off the triggers.
I know it must be the big scary black guns they are holding.
Or is it that they are white! That is it; they are showing their white privilege by making a family X-mas cards that they know will be offensive to leftist loons!
The little one holding the X-mas card is the worst- not a single minority pictured in the card. A white family with a non racially diverse card? How dare they?
I'm curious as to why he has a silencer (suppressor) on his rifle.
Protect their hearing?
you do know that until that NFA in the 30s , that they were not only legal , but common on may sporting rifles from the turn of the 1900s until then , usually found on shotguns though because of the louder report .
it could also be a muzzle brake and not a flash hider /disperser or a silencer/ suppressor at all
crucifix immersed in urine ( Piss Christ "art")
gun love christmas card
equally offensive?
one but not the other?
the idea that a christmas card with a family brandishing guns and smiles would not offend a lot of people is bizarre. Unless they are not Christians and unless they just celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday. I think we both know that is not the case with an extremely conservative politician from Tennessee.
I own several flash hiders and compensators for the AR platform.
That can is neither. They also make fake empty silencers...Why?
It could also be a golf ball launcher. Just add blanks and balls.
Yes, one can actually shoot golf balls from an AR platform.
One can also shoot .22 LR by just swapping out the bolt and mag.
The AR-15 is a very versatile ranch rifle that suffers due to its looks.
The Ruger Mini-14 rifle slips under the radar simply due to its looks.
They are both able to fill tight groups at 500 yards with the same mag.
But I digress.
As fond as I am of the rifle, It seems very creepy on a Christmas card.
The Hale family wouldn't pose with firearms for any occasion. The Hale family doesn't fit the narrative so it's necessary to find a surrogate.
How many people have Andy Ogles and his family shot? How many schools have the Ogles family attacked? The Ogles family aren't using guns to commit a crime. The poses don't appear to be threatening or intimidating. And there isn't anything that identifies the intended audience for the photograph.
So, a story has been concocted about a photograph to fit particular biases. And that concocted story serves as a distraction to avoid confronting the reality that the actual incident doesn't fit the particular bias.
well looking at the photo a lot closer , it actually looks like some sort of cloth cover with velcro to keep it in place , and if it is a cover like that , no telling whats under it until its removed , what purpose a cover like that would serve and what its covering is anyones guess , but thats what it would be from a photo , a wild assed guess. just like trying to say what each of those rifles is chambered in from that photo , one could make an educated WAG.
not only can one launch golf balls , but they make one that does the same thing for tennis balls ....those are fun with dogs ....
the mini 14( poor mans AR) use to slip under the radar , it isnt anymore , it doesnt have the ability to be customized to the individual that the AR does , and part of the reason it use to slip under was it was made with traditional wood fabrication(stock ) ., other than that from first gen mini to current itineration , it too has evolved and used less wood and more composit or "plastic' than it use too.
both fire arms basically fall into the accuracy you get is what your willing to spend on them cat with me , top the mini with decent optics and it has reasonable and decent accuracy , same with the AR , i did when i did my AR build go "unconventional", yet remained 94 ban compliant .
i opted for a 24 in long bull barrel( 4 inches longer than a common heavy barrel of 18-20 and a lot more metal in the barrel ) with a slightly different twist rate . those 2 changes gained me about another 250-300 yards of accurate range within a 6 inch disc. I also opted for a target crown at the muzzle , no compensator or flash hider at all.
and as i know you know , swapping out to a different upper , changes the whole thing and appearance .
Nothing has been concocted. Ogles is the US representative for the area where the school shooting took place. His promotion of guns on a Christmas card is relevant to a great many people.
How is a photograph of Ogles and his family relevant?
Concocting a story to create phony relevance ain't that relevant. You know, banning all guns would not have done one damned thing to help Audrey Hale deal with whatever problem she was facing. The phony relevance for gun bans would have just swept Audrey Hale under the rug. That's consistent with most liberal activism. If it's Not In My Backyard, it's Not My Problem. So, the photograph of Ogles and his family really only has NIMBY relevance.
Leftists argued the first was art if I remember right. Because the religious hated it; and wanted it banned.
Leftist are arguing that the Christmas card is an offense against humanity.
I could care about either.
Piss Christ is not my cup of tea when it comes to artwork; but to each their own. The Chinese seem to love Hunter's butt ugly artwork; and the left have no problem with that.
The Christmas card is only offensive to gun grabbers (Religion has nothing to do with it). Since I am an atheist I could care less. It is their card, and they can do what they want so long as it is legal. I have seen (and received) far worse cards from people that are supposedly very religious.
Only to gun grabbing leftists.
Gee, that's swell. Audrey Hale's family aren't ammo-sexual. Seems like Audrey Hale already had enough hate. So, why feed more hate to Hale? Or are these memes supposed to recruit more people like Audrey Hale?
Who could Audrey Hale turn to? Where was the safety net for Hale?
No matter how many far right wing fascists claim (gun grabbing leftists) It's just far right wing NRA propaganda.
This centrist owns many firearms just because they're fun to shoot.
From my back porch it is 125 yards to a ten-inch steel plate.
I hit it standing more often than not with a scoped AR-15 5.56.
My Lapua .338 tears holes in it. Best hot long distance round ever!
Still have to love any rifle that can shoot a grand!
The problem being is that some swaps make one a criminal.
Would love to get into long range shooting; but it is too expensive. Decking out a long range rifle the right way alone would do me in even before factoring in the costs for ammunition. Not to mention the range costs; and getting someone to instruct me.
I own three guns- all for home defense. What money I spend on ammunition is for them. I own a highly modified Keltec 12ga bullpup- would almost feel sorry for anyone stupid enough to try and come upstairs uninvited. With the house's narrow stairs and hallways nothing would be left except a fine red mist. Compartmentalized rooms offer no place to hide- except for the basement- which for whatever reason is wide open. Have hand guns, a Rhino revolver for the main floor, and the basement a Sig Saur P365.
very true , but that is on the person to know and follow the law .
Now i COULD take an AR pistol upper and swap it out , but unless i paid the NFA tax and had the permit , it would be considered an SBR ( short barreled rifle ) and in violation without the permit and paid tax IF i kept the rifle stocks in place . but as long as i stay with a barrel length over 16 in perfectly legal or if i take the rifle stock off and make it strictly a pistol platform . no tax or permit needed if those things are done . it entirely depends on what furniture is on the firearm that designates it rifle or pistol . rifle butt stock collapsible or not , its a rifle .
* the cow elk i took this past season was take with a .338, win mag not lapua @ in the 250 yrd range and i slowed it down with my reloads to under 2900 fps using a 200 grn bullet , one and done .
That's why I won't take my vacation in America !
But why? Why is nobody asking that question?
What question, TG?
Why...why did this happen? What was the motive?
Ashley Hale's manifesto has not been released yet or spoken out of.
Yes, the trans activists are pressuring to keep it hidden from the public. Probably because it blames country music….
I hope after the investigation that it is released
They have "released" tidbits of notes they found through the press conferences as that is where they discovered that there were other sites in the planning and at least one of them was written off as they had too much security to be considered.
I don't/won't give Ashley Hale any cover from her misdeeds. She did this. After all, there is no mention of her being on hormone therapy that I have read or learned.
Me too! She needs to let us know why she, a woman, would harm anybody-especially innocent kids. Kids have limited to no special power in society to effectuate change!
Goes to how narrowly focused mentally illness can be. That is, 'tactical planning and reasoning' still intact! She did this! A female did this! Ashley Hale is her name and she is solely responsible for doing this!
I have read , there was another school , and a shopping mall that was supposedly targeted , the other school was public and had a resource officer on duty , and a mall , well with it being a public place and people allowed to carry concealed .....
They finally put SRO's back in Denver schools last week, after a 17 year old kid....who was expelled from another school, had to have a "pat down" inspection every day at East High School. He shot two administrators and escaped to the mountains, where he committed suicide. Both victims survived.
Sounds like the kid never had a decent chance and was just warehoused around by the schools.
Here's a consideration: If we keep escalating where, when, how many, guns are reasonable to be or feel safe - as what 'saturation point' does the inverse happen? That is, even safe gun owners begin to question the wisdom of who is safe when everybody is clearly 'packin'? Ashley Hale chose the point of less resistance, but then again she was 'manned up' for serious 'combat.' (Though she appears to have died as a 'wimp.')
The term usually used there is "tacticool " usually just to look badassed and threatening . most people cant tell if someone is wearing a load bearing vest , a plate carrier or body armor , hell just a vest with mags is intimidating and people will think its armor and its not . the type of people that employ that are those that want to make the impression they have some sort of training or abilities and they usually dont . they will most likely open carry in plain sight , with either a drop leg holster , or a really ornate one tucked into a LEO/FBI style carry but highly visible . and they are real easy to embarrass if one wants to take the time and knows what they are talking about .
I have the option of 2 different types of carry here where i live , open , in plain sight for all to see, only time i use that one is if im doing fence work and repair for myself or if i hire out to help a neighbor . have never had a problem with it because people see that type of work being done they think wow old west ( yes i do wear an old ,30 yrs , silver belly stetson that sorta looks like kevin costners in open range , its been beaten battered and pissed on by mother nature natural sweat of the brow , and a few fell beasts of the land ), and well he is prepared , most understand snakes and other things that happen along that might need that type of solution .
The other option i have which i use when going around people in public ,is concealed , usually covered /concealed out of sight by a shirt coat vest , and if i do it right , no one is the wiser and i just appear to be an old duffing gray haired man with a walking stick /cane . If it is noticed and asked about it , my simple response is , because i can, its usually dropped at that , and usually because i give them a sam elliot look like im about to ask them to show me the teets on an almond to get almond milk . that annoyed look one doesnt wanna screw with .
if im carrying concealed its because something told me ( hunch) something wasnt right and today it isnt exactly a virtue to trust everyone you come into contact with , it would be nice , but it can get you killed in a heart beat .
besides not only do i follow what the law says I CAN do and when to use it , i have my own set of rules even more stringent than state law i must follow .
Thanks. I take your point. In my comment 13.1.11 I am more 'impressed' by the weaponry Ashley Hale is said to have been 'packing.' And how she shot out and stepped through the 'entry' ways to enter into the building. Of course, she drew down on anything real and imagined in the video of the 'invasion.' That's more of what I meant. The authorities are saying she exhibited some training in her stances and demeanor, I don't know this for sure because I do not have such access to the footage about her. So I use the termage: "manned up" loosely.
no worries , i watched the video of the entry , it appears a 9mm kel-tec rifle was used for breaching the window glass, its a pistol round chambered rifle , and does seem to be the predominant weapon used in the movement through the building that could be seen. so what armament was reported by media at first doesnt seem to be what existed . though i did see both the kel-tec and an AR, neither can be confused for the other , and of course the after shots of all 3 weapons , the AR,kel-tec , and the S&W MP , likely either a 9mm or a 40 , but that is a WAG ( wild assed guess ). i havent heard how many shots were fired total , the AR was capable of 30, the 9mm looked to have a 32 round stick mag , and the MP depending on chambering ? 15 to 18 ?
I think i read somewhere that the individual liked video games , one can pick up some rudimentary things such as tactics but not everything , as for stances and that could have been acquired with range time practicing shooting , hell someone might have even helped at a range and corrected improper stance or technique , ive done it myself with shooters just starting out with their permission .
Sometimes it just comes down to bad wiring and drain bammage.
Good points all! Well-received.
Why? Why were there more mass shootings than days this month? Because it is easy as hell for the criminally insane to get guns in the US!
As soon as we ban all the right books, this will stop.
I thought it would have stopped when they cut Mr. Potato Heads nuts off.
We should recognize the principled stance of those who would willingly sacrifice their children or grandchildren, or other people's children or grandchildren, so that the manufacturers of the AR-15 can continue to profit.
You may want to include Hollywood, video game manufactures and the Music industry on the people who profit. I have yet to see a Firearms Manufacturer or the NRA advertising the use of an AR-15 but I can turn on the TV, go to apps on a phone, see a movie or listen to a rap station and see or hear about guns non-stop.
Gun companies emphasize masculinity and make veiled references to white supremacist groups to sell AR-15-style rifles, congressional committee report says
The Militarized Marketing of Bushmaster Assault Rifles
You must certainly believe that more guns make us safer, right? So, why wouldn't you want to see or hear about guns?
I love how you totally ignore how youths are introduced to guns!
Aren't most youths who have or use guns introduced to guns by their parents?
Don't you support youths being introduced to guns?
Why do you seem to oppose Hollywood, video games and the Music industry "profitting" from guns? Don't you support gun rights? Don't you support the proliferation of guns in our society? Don't you support the right of gun manufacturers to conduct business and make a profit?
See 16
I'm 68 and was introduced to guns by my gun-owning family before being trained by the NRA.as a Boy Scout.
Never was a hunter but have always loved punching holes in paper from a long, long, long way away.
Hitting thousand yard shots makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
See 16.2
Actually own a highly modified Bushmaster.
And yet am still a liberal
I have no data on this but, I would say the ones that "don't" randomly shoot people, yes.
Yes, if the person who is provding the teaching is a responsible gun owner and not Cornpop on the corner.
I don't have a problem with it but, they need to admit responsibility for their glorifying of guns and don't seem surprised when a kid knows how to load a magazine into an AR and rack a shell having never been taught by anyone.
Yes, good intentions don't protect you!
Pretty sure I want to be the only person on the planet to own a firearm.
Just think how much more peaceful that would be.
Adam Peter Lanza, the Sandy Hook Elemantary School murderer:
"Adam Peter Lanza (April 22, 1992 – December 14, 2012) lived with his mother, Nancy Lanza, in Newtown, 5 miles (8 km) from the elementary school. [147] He did not have a criminal record. [14] [148] [149] He had access to guns through his mother, who was described as a "gun enthusiast who owned at least a dozen firearms". [150] [151] [152] [153] She often took her two sons to a local shooting range, where they learned to shoot."
"The parents of a teenager who killed four students at a Michigan high school can face trial for involuntary manslaughter , the state appeals court said Thursday in a groundbreaking case of criminal responsibility for the acts of a child. The murders would not have happened if the parents hadn't purchased a gun for Ethan Crumbley..."
Capital in Tennessee breached by protesters!
It's an insurrection to get some worthless gun legislation discussion rolling!! Arrest them and put 'em in the slammer for two years prior to trial!!
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Sure now that a Christian school has been shot up. If it had been a public school there probably wouldn't have been any protestors
I sincerely doubt that. Every shooting there is a call to protest................maybe not capital breaching but protest nonetheless.
Now watch some foolish, moronic dolt come along and say that Trump set the tone for protesting for GovCo action.
Well, that or maybe that the laws passed by adults in the legislature is the reason and justification for killing kids.
Trump did set the tone!
That's why he will soon be sent to prison for his many crimes.
And right on time as predicted.......................
But of course........................SMMFH
Yeah, I saw that. All I can say is WTF!!!!