Biden calls out Trump for testing his staff while telling Americans testing isn't necessary

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  5 months ago  •  51 comments

By:   Annie Linskey (MSN)

Biden calls out Trump for testing his staff while telling Americans testing isn't necessary
Instead of once again seeking to divide us, Trump should be working to get Americans the same necessary protections he has gotten for himself.

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President Joe is using science to divide us without understanding or explaining the science.  Joe Biden highlights testing being done in the White House but ignores that everyone is being tested every day.  A single test doesn't accomplish much.  That's what the testing regime for the White House shows.

How often should everyone be tested?  People who test negative must be retested until a positive result is obtained.  To have any value everyone would need to be tested on a regular schedule.  And the nasal swab sampling certainly can't be done while social distancing.  Performing the sampling and testing involves some risk, too.  

The nasal swab and genetic test for an active infection does work.  But it's the wrong type of test for medical response or planning.  A positive result doesn't provide useful information for treatment or therapies; the best available medical protocol is to treat symptoms.  A negative result doesn't indicate if an individual is still at risk or has developed immunity.  And a negative result means the individual would need to be tested on a regular schedule.

President Joe has jumped the shark for political purposes.  Joe Biden is misusing science to score political points, that's all.  Does Joe Biden understand the science?  Or does Joe Biden care more about making a political attack than he cares about science?

Joe Biden is peddling snake oil.  That's not leadership; that's just politics.


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Former vice president Joe Biden launched a fresh line of attack against President Trump on Monday, criticizing the president for offering coronavirus tests to his staff while telling Americans that testing isn't important.

"If Trump and his team understand how critical testing is to their safety — and they seem to, given their own behavior — why are they insisting that it's unnecessary for the American people?" Biden wrote in an op-ed published in The Washington Post.

Biden returned to the theme later in the piece, writing, "Instead of once again seeking to divide us, Trump should be working to get Americans the same necessary protections he has gotten for himself."

Last week, Trump said that testing is not necessary to safely end virus-related restrictions to life and work in the country, dismissing the advice of health experts, scientists and even some Republican allies.

He has also focused on the optics, noting that more testing would probably lead to increases in the official count of infected Americans. "In a way, by doing all of this testing we make ourselves look bad," Trump said last week.

The president receives a daily test for the virus, as do the top aides who come in regular contact with him. Two White House aides recently tested positive for the virus, which Trump has pointed to as evidence that testing is not worthwhile.

"This is why the whole concept of tests aren't necessarily great," Trump said Friday. "The tests are perfect, but something can happen between the test where it's good and then something happens and all of a sudden — she [the aide] was tested very recently and tested negative and today I guess for some reason she tested positive."

In a statement, White House spokesman Judd P. Deere defended that administration's testing response. "The United States has done more than double the number of tests of any country in the world," he said. "We are the global leader in testing capacity and continue to work with governors to ensure they have enough capacity for a safe, responsible reopen."

The United States has performed about 6 million tests in the past few months but has tested a significantly smaller percentage of the population than many other countries.

About 300,000 tests are being conducted each day throughout the country. Researchers at Harvard University have said we would need to conduct about 5 million tests a day by June — and 20 million a day by July — to safely return to normal life.

Sean Sullivan and Josh Dawsey contributed to this report.


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Nerm_L
1  seeder  Nerm_L    5 months ago

We can test hundreds of millions of people every day.  What would that accomplish?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Nerm_L @1    5 months ago
We can test hundreds of millions of people every day.  What would that accomplish?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  It Is ME @1.1    5 months ago

Yep, that's what President Joe is advocating.  The pointing finger should be a registered trademark for the Democratic Party.

At least we now know for sure that President Joe will only use science for political purposes.  Science doesn't serve the public; science only serves those who own the science.  Just ask Gilead Sciences, Inc. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.1    5 months ago

It's all about political personal gain. The "Folks" just have to "Grin and Bear It " !

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2  pat wilson  replied to  Nerm_L @1    5 months ago

It would reveal clusters. That would be helpful.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.2.1  Ronin2  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    5 months ago

Think we don't know where the hot spots are already?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    5 months ago
It would reveal clusters. That would be helpful.

How would that be helpful?

It's like scanning a computer for a specific virus.  If the scan result is negative then the computer is still at risk; the scan needs to be repeated on a regular schedule.  If the virus is found on the computer, the only thing that can be done is disconnect the computer from the internet and networks to prevent spreading the virus to other computers.  There isn't any method available to remove the virus so the computer must be isolated.

However, the computer can become infected and spread the virus between scans.  The time lag in the scanning method does not prevent spread of the virus.  That's the wrong test for what is needed.  What is needed is a diagnostic that detects the virus in real time. 

We can be proactive and disconnect all computers from the internet and networks which would stop spread of the virus.  But the virus is still out there.  Reconnecting the computer to the internet and networks in the future will again place the computer at risk.  Proactive isolation doesn't prevent spread of the virus sometime in the future.  

So, what has all the scanning and isolation accomplished?  We've only kicked the can down the road.  The hope is that a means of removing the computer virus can be developed and deployed.  But obtaining the cure requires reconnecting to the internet and networks which places the computer at risk.  The risk doesn't change no matter what is done.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    5 months ago

How many test kits do we have?   How many did we start with?


No more outcry for ventilators?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.2    5 months ago
It's like scanning a computer for a specific virus.  If the scan result is negative then the computer is still at risk; the scan needs to be repeated on a regular schedule.

And with 327 million "computers" that would take a lot of scans!

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.3  evilgenius  replied to  Nerm_L @1    5 months ago
We can test hundreds of millions of people every day.  What would that accomplish?

That would let us know who needs to be quarantined to stop the virus spreading to health compromised people like my mother and my father-in-law. But some people just don't seem to give a fuck if they die so long as Trump looks good and the rich get paid.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.3.1  Ronin2  replied to  evilgenius @1.3    5 months ago

Really, so the test methods are accurate?

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228250

Reports suggest some people test negative up to six times even though they are infected with the virus, according to the BBC and Chinese media. Such was the case with Dr. Li Wenliang, the ophthalmologist who first identified the outbreak and was reprimanded by Chinese authorities when he tried to warn others.

Dr. Wenliang developed a cough and fever after unknowingly treating an infected patient. He was hospitalized, testing negative for coronavirus several times before eventually receiving a positive result. On Jan. 30 the doctor posted: "Today nucleic acid testing came back with a positive result, the dust has settled, finally diagnosed," according to the BBC. Dr. Wenliang passed away on February 7 in Wuhan, the epicenter of the outbreak.

False-negative test results, where patients are told they do not have a condition when they actually do, cause several problems. Patients may be turned away from hospitals and medical facilities when they require care. They may infect others at home, work, school, or in the community. Patients' conditions may also worsen without treatment.

When faced with a highly infectious, potentially deadly pathogen, even a small number of false negatives can have a potentially serious and widespread impact on the larger population.

https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html

Conventional diagnostic tests for the novel coronavirus may give false-negative results about 30% of the time, meaning people with an active COVID-19 infection still test negative for the disease, according to news reports. "Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times . However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-testing#accuracy

Are they accurate?

COVID-19 tests are new, and assessing their accuracy is challenging.

PCR tests may produce false negatives, failing to identify evidence of SARS-CoV-2.

Sometimes false negatives result from human error or problems with the procedure. Giving the test too early or late, for example, can lead to a false negative.

The accuracy of similar tests for influenza is generally 50–70% .

But some people just don't give a fuck about reality so long as they get that D into office at any cost. Not that they will change one damn thing that is being done. Just turn up the volume on the Trump bashing; patch things up as quickly as they can with China; and not learn one damn thing to prepare for the next pandemic.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  evilgenius @1.3    5 months ago
That would let us know who needs to be quarantined to stop the virus spreading to health compromised people like my mother and my father-in-law. But some people just don't seem to give a fuck if they die so long as Trump looks good and the rich get paid.

Then quarantining health compromised individuals achieves the same objective.  Protecting health compromised people requires isolating and segregating them from the general population.  

The argument for quarantine is really advocating for segregation into gated communities.  Gated communities really do isolate people from the general population.  Gated communities work.

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.3.3  evilgenius  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.2    5 months ago
Then quarantining health compromised individuals achieves the same objective. 

Unless you put them in a "bubble chamber" it does not. Those compromised individuals still interact with others who may interact with a asymptomatic carrier. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.3.4  evilgenius  replied to  Ronin2 @1.3.1    5 months ago
...so the test methods are accurate?

How should I know? If testing isn't accurate, wouldn't that be another fault of this Administration?

But some people just don't give a fuck...

Sounds about right for the Trump Humpers trying to distract from the fact their Emperor is naked. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  evilgenius @1.3.3    5 months ago
Unless you put them in a "bubble chamber" it does not. Those compromised individuals still interact with others who may interact with a asymptomatic carrier. 

Interacting with others is not a quarantine.  

Since we can't know with certainty (even with testing) who is infected then those that are health compromised will always be at greater risk any time they interact with others.

The effective means of protecting those who are health compromised is to place them in a "bubble chamber" and avoid interacting with others.  There isn't any way to establish herd immunity.  So, the risk to those who are health compromised doesn't change by forcing those at lower risk to self isolate.  In fact, forcing everyone to isolate prolongs the risk for the health compromised because that delays establishing herd immunity.

Even if a vaccine were available today, it would require months to inoculate everyone.  And we haven't any idea if the vaccine would be 100 pct effective.  The health compromised may be prevented from being inoculated due to their health condition, too.  Since the SARS-CoV-2 virus is now a human pathogen, the risk is never going away for those with compromised health.

 
 
 
evilgenius
1.3.6  evilgenius  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.5    5 months ago

Testing is not certainty but it would be far better than not testing. It gives us data to make better choices. No testing is pissing in the dark.

There isn't any way to establish herd immunity.

At this time we don't know herd immunity is possible. Nor do we know if a vaccine will prove effective. There is some possible treatments for the worst patients but even those are still in testing phases. This should elicit caution on any plans to open economies full steam ahead.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.3.7  Ronin2  replied to  evilgenius @1.3.4    5 months ago
How should I know? If testing isn't accurate, wouldn't that be another fault of this Administration?

Right, so Trump is in charge of what test is administered. He is no more in charge of that then he is in charge of what flu vaccine is used every year. Talk to the CDC about the shitty testing kits.

Sounds about right for the Trump Humpers trying to distract from the fact their Emperor is naked.

Sounds perfect coming from TDS driven fools that can't admit it doesn't matter who is in charge. Biden and the Democrats have no damn ideas of how to fight, contain, or restart the economy. Trump's plan is their plan- they just claim they can enact it better. They have no plans of holding China accountable; no plans of how to get a program in place for the next pandemic; and no plans about how to get essential goods needed to combat the next pandemic to be manufactured in the US. All they have is bash Trump, bash Trump some more, and keep bashing Trump. 

But Trruuummmppppp!!!!!! Is not a plan.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.8  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  evilgenius @1.3.6    4 months ago
At this time we don't know herd immunity is possible. Nor do we know if a vaccine will prove effective. There is some possible treatments for the worst patients but even those are still in testing phases. This should elicit caution on any plans to open economies full steam ahead.

Yes, there are no treatments or vaccines available.  The only practical means of reducing risk is basic hygiene.  And the general public appears to be having great difficulty practicing basic hygiene.  That's a problem that can only be addressed with education.  Lack of basic health education, as preparation for pandemic, has become too evident to gloss over.  The response to the pandemic was predisposed to fail because basic health education hasn't been a priority.

The health compromised must always be cautious.  Their health condition imposes limitations that cannot be overcome with social engineering.  Social distancing cannot protect those with compromised health.  But that was not the intent of social distancing measures.  The purpose of social distancing was to slow the spread of the virus to avoid overwhelming the limited medical delivery system (now we know, extremely limited). 

The idea behind social distancing wasn't to protect people; the idea was to protect hospitals.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @1    5 months ago

Nothing, and they know it.

Targeted testing is the best option and only option. 

Essential personnel need to be tested. Sorry for the demented left but White House staff and personnel are essential. Same with the military, hospital & nursing home staff, and those that maintain electrical, communication, and other essential operations.

After that those who are at the highest risk would be tested; which means the elderly.

If we had been prepared for this we would have shut down all travel into the US with mandatory testing at point of origin with a two to three week waiting period in isolation before being allowed to travel into the country. But considering the left's screams of racism from Trump's partial travel ban from China; that will never be implemented for future outbreaks.

I am surprised they allowed Biden a brief respite from his basement hideaway to get this out. With how coherent it is, he had a ghost writer do it and just signed his name to it.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.1  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @1.4    5 months ago
If we had been prepared for this we would have shut down all travel into the US with mandatory testing at point of origin with a two to three week waiting period in isolation before being allowed to travel into the country

That seems to be the ONLY thing Trumpland can  cite when it comes to mitigation.  They also should have begun preparing for the needs of a pandemic, you know, things like PPE, ventilators, medicines, hospital beds, guidelines, getting expert teams in place to deal with a NATIONAL disaster.  Usually when something impacts the whole country it is a national issue and they provide a national response.  With republicans we see how their distaste of government makes it impossible for them to use the government resources to help bring the entire country together and focus on our solidarity.  Instead the feds made the states compete and then came in and stole the PPE from out from under the states.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.4.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ronin2 @1.4    5 months ago
Essential personnel need to be tested. Sorry for the demented left but White House staff and personnel are essential. Same with the military, hospital & nursing home staff, and those that maintain electrical, communication, and other essential operations.

Even recognizing that need glosses over that the individuals need to be tested on a regular schedule.  One test doesn't accomplish anything.

How often should everyone be tested?  Hourly?  Daily?  Weekly?  Proposing that we create testing capacity to accommodate hundreds of millions of people every day or every week is unrealistic.

We need a better test.  We don't need more capacity for the wrong type of test.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.4.3  Greg Jones  replied to  lib50 @1.4.1    5 months ago
They also should have begun preparing for the needs of a pandemic, you know, things like PPE, ventilators, medicines, hospital beds, guidelines, getting expert teams in place to deal with a NATIONAL disaster. 
Well, the Obama administration had eight years to do that.. And why weren't the states better prepared.
Everything can be done better and more efficiently at the state and local level.
 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.4.4  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  lib50 @1.4.1    5 months ago
They also should have begun preparing for the needs of a pandemic, you know, things like PPE, ventilators, medicines, hospital beds, guidelines, getting expert teams in place to deal with a NATIONAL disaster.

That ignores that PPE, ventilators, and medicines in storage have a shelf life and become outdated. 

Instead of warehouses full of deteriorating supplies, what the country needs is a manufacturing base that can produce what is needed in times of emergency.  We need more factories, not more warehouses.

  Usually when something impacts the whole country it is a national issue and they provide a national response.

Until governors begin dictating what the Federal response should be and what is best for the country.  New York is an exceptional case that is not representative of the country.  State governors can maintain warehouses of supplies, too.

With republicans we see how their distaste of government makes it impossible for them to use the government resources to help bring the entire country together and focus on our solidarity.  Instead the feds made the states compete and then came in and stole the PPE from out from under the states.  

States compete with each other all the time.  States poach jobs and businesses from other states.  States manipulate taxes, regulations, and subsidies to compete with other states.

Is it time to abolish state governments?  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.4.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.2    5 months ago
We need a better test. 

Agreed. To be effective, the development of such must fall under the purview of the federal government, with established guidelines in their distribution and reporting to be followed by each state, and administered by local authorities as demanded by data-driven need. Testing has always been the weak and/or missing link in the chain and touting raw numbers as a 'success' in comparing them to other countries is meaningless.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.4.6  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  r.t..b... @1.4.5    5 months ago
Agreed. To be effective, the development of such must fall under the purview of the federal government, with established guidelines in their distribution and reporting to be followed by each state, and administered by local authorities as demanded by data-driven need.

That's already in place with the requirement for FDA approval.  Tests and treatments must comply with FDA requirements and be scrutinized by FDA review before becoming available for use.  The CDC and FDA already have the lead role in approval of tests and treatments.  The pandemic hasn't changed the role of the CDC and FDA. 

But the CDC and FDA have not been responsible for deploying and distributing approved tests and treatments.  That has been the role of manufacturers, distributors, and healthcare providers.  The Federal government does not maintain a supply chain to deliver and distribute approved tests and treatments.

The states are collecting the data and determining need; the Federal government is not.  Placing responsibility for deploying resources at the Federal level includes Federal prioritizing which needs will be met.  And the states would be required to conform to Federal priorities.

Testing has always been the weak and/or missing link in the chain and touting raw numbers as a 'success' in comparing them to other countries is meaningless.

As is declaring a failure by comparison with other countries.  The comparison is meaningless for claiming success or failure.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.7  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.3    5 months ago
Well, the Obama administration had eight years to do that.. And why weren't the states better prepared.

Obama administration left a detailed pandemic playbook.  And maybe the states could have begun sooner if Trump hadn't ignored and tried to deny any upcoming pandemic problems for so long.  Also, WTF was Trump doing for 3 years?  Oh yea, cutting the budget, sacking the pandemic experts.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.8  lib50  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    5 months ago
That ignores that PPE, ventilators, and medicines in storage have a shelf life and become outdated. 

No, it doesn't.  First of all, republicans have been cutting the budget for years under Obama.  Second, Trump has had 3 years to address the issue and so did the gop and what did they do?  Make it worse, cut, cut, cut, sack, sack, sack.  And then when you get the intel months before it becomes obvious, pay the fuck attention to it.  All this defense of a moron who doesn't have the brains to process his daily briefs is pathetic.  Trump is still lying every day about this.  'But Obama' won't cut it. 

Oh, and this is the  UNITED States of America.  This a NATIONAL pandemic.  And in what freaking universe is it a good thing for states to compete with the world and each other AND THE FEDERAL GOV'T?  Now the costs are infinitely higher and we all get to pay.  Are you serious?  If you don't believe in a federal gov't, don't fucking run for a federal office.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.4.9  dennis smith  replied to  lib50 @1.4.7    5 months ago

A playbook does no good if there are nothing to use. = Fail Obama.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.4.10  dennis smith  replied to  lib50 @1.4.8    5 months ago

Just another cherry pick comment done in order to attempt to blame Trump

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.4.11  Ronin2  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.2    5 months ago
Even recognizing that need glosses over that the individuals need to be tested on a regular schedule.  One test doesn't accomplish anything.

Correct, and with the limited number of testing kits only essential personnel and those at very high risk need to be tested.  Those at very high risk need to be fully quarantined; with those caring for them receiving the test. Better still the health care providers should be fully quarantined with those they care for to ensure all of their safety. Pretty sure that type of draconian measure would not be tolerated well.

 How often should everyone be tested?  Hourly?  Daily?  Weekly?  Proposing that we create testing capacity to accommodate hundreds of millions of people every day or every week is unrealistic.

Never claimed it to be. A mathematics expert could figure it out better than I for how often. Given that the test kit has 70% correct (same as the common flu test kit); it would have to be several times a week.

We need a better test.  We don't need more capacity for the wrong type of test.

Good luck with that. It will take about as long to come up with an accurate test as it will to find a vaccine or cure.  We were caught flat footed.  We learned nothing from the last two pandemics. With the political fighting over this one we will not learn anything again. Maybe the next pandemic will wipe enough out to force us to hold our politicians at all levels responsible. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.4.12  Ronin2  replied to  lib50 @1.4.7    5 months ago
Obama administration left a detailed pandemic playbook. 

Yes, Obama punted the ball to the state and local governments. Trump is following that playbook. The same way Obama followed Bush Jr's playbook for the Gulf Oil Spill. So Obama deserves some of the blame.

And maybe the states could have begun sooner if Trump hadn't ignored and tried to deny any upcoming pandemic problems for so long.

Ignoring that many Democrats downplayed the threat as well. More TDS driven drivel.

Also, WTF was Trump doing for 3 years?  Oh yea, cutting the budget, sacking the pandemic experts.

No, Trump was bringing departments back in line to what their budgets were. You are forgetting that Congress controls the purse strings. Trump can't help Obama went hog wild increasing the size of government with no damn way to pay for it. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/17/instagram-posts/celebrities-are-sharing-misleading-post-about-trum/

Trump "cut funding to the CDC"

While it’s not accurate to say that Trump "cut" funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,   it is accurate to say   he tried.

The Trump administration’s initial proposals for the   budgets   for   emerging   and   zoonotic infectious diseases at the CDC — a key player in the fight against coronavirus — have consistently been lower than what was spent the previous year. 

However, Congress reshapes presidential recommendations as it sees fit when it crafts final spending bills.

Every year since Trump has been president, lawmakers have passed funding bills — which he has signed — that not only exceeded what Trump requested for emerging infections but also exceeded the previous year’s spending.

As the chart below shows, funding increased every year from fiscal year 2017 to fiscal year 2020. (We have not included the 2017 proposal, since that was submitted by the Obama administration. The figures for 2020 are preliminary.)

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On Feb. 24, Trump   asked   Congress for a $2.5 billion supplemental budget to help combat the emergence of this coronavirus. House Democrats said the amount was insufficient, and instead passed an $8.3 billion bill that Trump   signed   March 6. The money will fund efforts to develop a vaccine and help local governments respond to the pandemic. 

Trump "fired the Pandemic Response Team"

This needs context. "Fired" is a strong term for   what happened , and Trump recently created a team to lead the government’s response to COVID-19.

In May 2018, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, the senior director of global health and biodefense on the National Security Council,   left   the administration. He was in charge of the U.S. response to pandemics.

After Ziemer’s departure, the global health team was reorganized as part of an effort by then-National Security Adviser John Bolton. Meanwhile, Tom Bossert, a homeland security adviser who recommended strong defenses against disease, left shortly after Bolton arrived. 

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The White House didn’t replace either White House official or his team. Instead, Trump looked within his administration to fill roles for the coronavirus response. 

In January, Trump appointed his Health and Human Services secretary, Alex Azar, to chair a coronavirus task force. On Feb. 26, he announced that Vice President Mike Pence would take charge of the U.S. response to the coronavirus. 

Trump "refused WHO tests"

This contains a hint of truth, but it’s mostly inaccurate. Former Vice President Joe Biden   made a similar claim   during the March 15 Democratic presidential debate.

A March 6 Politico article   says the World Health Organization shipped coronavirus tests to nearly 60 countries at the end of February, but the U.S. was not among them. That is correct, but it suggests that the U.S. would normally have been on the list, which is not the case.

"No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity."

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Instead, the U.S. decided to have the CDC develop its own testing protocol, which was published Jan. 28. This caused a lag in testing for the virus in the U.S.

The CDC’s test was different and more complicated than a test published in Germany on Jan. 17. It worked in the CDC lab, but   when the materials went out to state labs , some of them got inconsistent results. The CDC had to resend packages with new chemical reagents.

State laboratories   started developing their own tests and were ready to use them, but had to wait for emergency approval from the Food and Drug Administration. The combined delays resulted in fewer Americans being tested and a slower U.S. response overall compared with some other countries. 

Trump "wasted two weeks calling this outbreak a ‘Democrat hoax.’"

This is inaccurate. 

During   a Feb. 28 campaign rally   in North Charleston, S.C., Trump called the Democratic response to COVID-19 a "hoax." But he did not use the term to describe the virus itself.

During a press conference Feb. 29, Trump was asked about his remarks.

"I'm not talking about what's happening here; I'm talking what they're doing," he said, referring to Democrats. "That's the hoax."

Trump’s comments feed into   a conspiracy theory   that claims Democrats and the media are fabricating the threat of COVID-19 to hurt the economy and the president’s re-election chances. And the president appeared   to   downplay   the threat of the virus at several points in recent weeks.

But to say that Trump called the virus itself a hoax   is false . Plus, the administration took its first action in January by setting up a task force to address the spread of the coronavirus.

But Trruuummmppppp!!!!!!! Damn this is getting old.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.4.13  MUVA  replied to  lib50 @1.4.7    5 months ago

There was no plan this failure is the fault of lifelong politicians and a fucking piece of shit bureaucracy and big government sycophants that never hold them accountable.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.4.14  MUVA  replied to  Ronin2 @1.4.12    5 months ago

What kind of fucking idiot thinks there was a plan in place when they couldn't mass test from day one there was never any coordination with the private sector and none of the states had a couple weeks stockpile of PPE.You would have to be a special kind of moron to believe there  was a plan.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.4.15  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ronin2 @1.4.11    5 months ago
Good luck with that. It will take about as long to come up with an accurate test as it will to find a vaccine or cure.  We were caught flat footed.  We learned nothing from the last two pandemics. With the political fighting over this one we will not learn anything again. Maybe the next pandemic will wipe enough out to force us to hold our politicians at all levels responsible. 

Flat footed?  The SARS-CoV-2 virus is new, novel, and never before seen in humans.  From the beginning the experts have told us they don't know anything; making it necessary to collect data and obtain knowledge.  We have been relying on planning to respond to an influenza pandemic.

The nasal swab and genetic sequencing test was put in place to monitor influenza outbreaks.  Typically the CDC performs about a million tests throughout the flu season.  The purpose of the testing has been to collect epidemiology data and assess the effectiveness of vaccines.  The system of testing was never intended to be used for diagnostic purposes.  Diagnostic testing has been performed by private laboratories; not by the CDC.

A serious flaw in the planning for pandemic has been that the general population doesn't seem to understand basic hygiene.  Health education in public schools was also meant to prepare for pandemic.   A lot of the planning depends upon the general population knowing how to adapt behavior and take basic measures to slow spread of disease and protect themselves.  The general population isn't on the front line, they are the front line of a pandemic.  Don't underestimate how many deaths have been caused by ignorance of basic hygiene in the general population.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.4.16  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  lib50 @1.4.8    5 months ago
No, it doesn't.  First of all, republicans have been cutting the budget for years under Obama.  Second, Trump has had 3 years to address the issue and so did the gop and what did they do?  Make it worse, cut, cut, cut, sack, sack, sack.  And then when you get the intel months before it becomes obvious, pay the fuck attention to it.  All this defense of a moron who doesn't have the brains to process his daily briefs is pathetic.  Trump is still lying every day about this.  'But Obama' won't cut it. 

And Democrats have been diverting the budget away from supporting the necessary infrastructure to produce supplies during time of crisis.  Amazon is only a distributor; Amazon is not a supplier.  Democrats throwing more money at distributors won't increase supply.

Democrats throwing public money at the emergency only spurs profiteering.  That will likely help Democrats skim political donations but it doesn't accomplish anything responding to an emergency.  

Manufacturing really is a matter of national security.

Oh, and this is the  UNITED States of America.  This a NATIONAL pandemic.  And in what freaking universe is it a good thing for states to compete with the world and each other AND THE FEDERAL GOV'T?  Now the costs are infinitely higher and we all get to pay.  Are you serious?  If you don't believe in a federal gov't, don't fucking run for a federal office.

That's just another argument to socialize costs while privatizing profits.  Why is it always a national problem when New York's Wall Street screws the pooch?  New York has a monopoly on finance and reaps the rewards of that monopoly.  New York City has become wealthy by gambling with other people's money.   The Federal Reserve is headquartered in New York; not Washington D.C.

New York controls the finance of the country.  Let New York bail every one out.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.17  lib50  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.16    5 months ago

Republicans throw money at the corporate elite with no strings attached.  Trump wants to spend money on a wall and paint it black.  Took money from other areas to pay for it, including from veterans.  They always allow privatization of the profits and WE are stuck when they socialize the costs and damage from screw ups they cause themselves. 

This notion the federal government isn't responsible for national disasters is ludicrous.  And stop glossing over the higher costs for necessary equipment.  The feds are able to compete in the world for the nation at a lower cost and more effectively.  How the hell does it make sense for every state to compete with each other, the feds, the world?  Why is paying more a better thing. 

The democrats aren't the ones diverting money from infrastructure, the gop won't fund it!  They had full control for 2 years and NOTHING.  And dems aren't the ones making it more attractive for companies to take their manufacturing elsewhere.  These companies get money from the gov't and don't even pay taxes.  They don't want to pay wages.  I never said anything about Amazon getting money, don't want them to get any and want them to pay taxes.

You want the states to go bankrupt?  Well just wait for that, wonder how that will impact the economy. 

Most Americans won't go back to normal unless they feel safe doing so.  All the 'opening' won't be successful if the result is killing grandma or your baby with compromised health.  They are likely to stay home until all the magas go out and take care of that herd immunity first.  Go kill off their own families and look fantastic with that new weave and haircut at grans virtual memorial.  And hope one of their kids doesn't get sick. 

Remind me how the gop is the party of life again. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.4.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  lib50 @1.4.17    5 months ago

Cuomo  did a nice job of explaining how ridiculous it is/was for our states to compete for desperately needed items, thus driving up the costs significantly as we compete against OTHER AMERICANS to get the same Shit the Federal Government could get at a significant DISCOUNT instead, as it would be bought in tremendous bulk, but, Trump wants NO LIABILITY, all while he has this tremendously never seen before very Strong

ABILITY TO LIE, and   this DISABILITY costs US A LL, and WHY and what the FCK FOR ?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.4.19  1stwarrior  replied to  lib50 @1.4.17    4 months ago

You will never get over your most favorite lie will you???  Trump DID NOT TAKE MONEY FROM THE VA FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE WALL.  

You have been given link after link after link after link PROVING he did not.  When is it going to sink in?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
1.4.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  1stwarrior @1.4.19    4 months ago

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lib50
1.4.21  lib50  replied to  1stwarrior @1.4.19    4 months ago

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2019/05/09/big-boost-in-va-funding-could-be-halted-by-border-wall-funding-fight/

House appropriators advanced a $228 billion budget plan to fund the Department of Veterans Affairs and various military construction projects next fiscal year, adding even more money to veterans programs than the White House has requested.

If it becomes law, the funding plan would give VA officials an increase of more than 10 percent compared to fiscal 2019 levels, the latest in an almost two-decade trend of sizable increases for the department.

The bill also includes language blocking military construction funds from being used for President Donald Trump’s controversial southern border wall project, expected to be a major point of contention in budget debates throughout the summer.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/01/14/trump-planning-to-use-billions-more-in-military-funds-to-build-border-wall-per-report/

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/466818-veterans-group-backs-lawsuits-to-halt-trumps-use-of-military-funding-for

https://www.forbes.com/sites/charlestiefer/2018/06/08/veterans-sustain-two-serious-defeats-from-trump-and-the-house-to-va-health-care/#4f2a9af92c5a

Veterans face two separate challenges to the VA that have come to a boil this week – one from Trump, one from the Republican House .

One concerns Trump and the makeup of a commission focused on closing VA facilities.  The other concerns transferring funding of veterans’ healthcare from VA facilities to private entities.

On Wednesday, Trump signed a law with a provision to establish a commission charged with conducting a nationwide “asset review” of VA infrastructure. If the commission is stacked with advocates of dismantling the VA and privatizing most care, the results could be disastrous. Congress remembers the great power of the base-closing commissions in shutting down military facilities, but at least they were able to vote the recommendations up or down. Not so with this commission; it will be empowered to make final decisions. There are likely to be regional winners and losers, and some decisions may be made to accommodate real estate developers, not veterans.

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The second challenge came in a House appropriation bill. The House voted on Thursday to approve the rule for floor debate of an appropriation (the Military Construction – VA bill) to be adopted Friday. That rule for the debate dealt with the problem that Veterans Choice Program, to the vehicle for privatizing veterans health care, continues to burn through billions of dollars.  It dealt with the problem by tossing in an extra $1.1 billion.

The money going into privatized care is not free. Quite clearly, the conservative forces in Congress want to switch priority for veterans’ care funding from VA facilities to private facilities.  When more is lavished on private care, less is available for maintaining the quality of VA facilities.  It facilitates a vicious circle of underfunding VA and using the resulting problems and shortfalls as a rationale for privatization.

It is not a coincidence that both of these challenges to VA care occurred the same week.  There is a conservative agenda on this subject.  Stacking a facilities-closing commission with enthusiasts for shutting down veterans care in areas like the North and East is part of that agenda.  Putting appropriations to use on private health care, not VA facilities, is part of the same agenda.  What is happening now is materially advancing that agenda.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/04/757463817/these-are-the-11-border-projects-getting-funds-intended-for-military-constructio

The Pentagon revealed on Wednesday the full list of $3.6 billion in military construction projects that will get shelved to help build a wall along the U.S.- Mexico border, according to documents obtained by NPR.

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The comments come a day after the Pentagon began calling congressional leaders to alert them of the overall plans to begin canceling $3.6 billion in military construction projects to fund new wall construction along the southwest border.

In a letter to House Armed Services Committee Chairman Adam Smith, D-Wash., Defense Secretary Mark Esper detailed 11 projects that would be completed with the diverted funds. They include new pedestrian fencing and barriers in San Diego, replacement of vehicle barriers in El Paso, Texas, and new fencing at the border in Yuma, Ariz.

Esper cites the national emergency Trump declared in February that required the use of armed forces for projects along the southwest border.

Interesting a vanity border wall is important enough to rate a national emergency.  The deaths of tens of thousands of Americans due to Covid, not so much. Also the biggest threat to veterans are the gop attempts to privatize their medical care.  

You can pretend this vanity wall is not taking money from the military, which includes veterans.   But its a lie.  Even when things aren't literally spelled out, their actions speak loudly. How about this, paying over 500 million to paint the fucker black?  Where is that money coming from? 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/trumps-pandemic-priority-painting-the-border-wall-black

Tens of thousands of Americans have died due to coronavirus and the economy is in shambles. But for Donald Trump , there are far more pressing matters at hand—like, for instance, what color his “beautiful” border wall should be painted. According to the Washington Post , the president is insisting that the barrier’s steel slats be painted black, despite officials’ efforts to talk him out of it and $500 million in additional costs that the cosmetic feature is expected to add to the project’s already expensive price tag. “POTUS has changed his mind and now wants the fence painted,” an official involved in the construction of the wall told the Post . “We are modifying contracts to add.”

It may seem odd to be fixated on the color of his border wall, given the hefty additional costs painting it black would impose on the project and the pandemic currently ravaging the country under his watch—but Trump at least has a good reason for his preoccupation. According to the Post , he’s willing to further inflate the wall budget because he believes painting it black would “enhance its forbidding appearance” and “leave the steel too hot to touch during summer months.” The latter apparently occurred to him, per the Post , after a personal experience touching something that was warm. “At one of his golf clubs, Trump said they had a snack shop between holes and they had put in a black granite countertop," according to the paper. “When his group of golfing partners went to order their hotdogs and drinks, he said the countertop was hot and momentarily burned their arms when they touched it.”

Riveting story! Unfortunately for the president, the black paint actually wouldn’t make the wall discernibly hotter to the touch, and the sunlight it’s supposed to absorb would actually make it fade, forcing it to have to be repainted about ten years from now, underscoring the additional upkeep costs it would force American taxpayers— uh, Mexico? —to pay for down the road. “It won’t make much of a difference,” a materials engineer specializing in rooftop coatings told the Post . “There’s no technical reason to paint it to make it hotter.”

In essence, then, the president wants to pour an additional $500 million into his harebrained border wall simply because he thinks black paint will make it look cooler.

Why don't you explain why cuts to the military don't impact veterans. And why the hell Mexico isn't paying for it like Trump promised.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.4.22  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  lib50 @1.4.17    4 months ago
Republicans throw money at the corporate elite with no strings attached.  Trump wants to spend money on a wall and paint it black.  Took money from other areas to pay for it, including from veterans.  They always allow privatization of the profits and WE are stuck when they socialize the costs and damage from screw ups they cause themselves. 

So, the biggest concern is about the money?   That's not too surprising considering what Bill Clinton did to the Democratic Party and the country.  

A wall along the entire southern border would cost less than a single carrier battle group or a Hubble space telescope program.  A wall would cost less than the last Wall Street bailout presided over by President Obama.  The Federal government has thrown trillions (with a T) at saving the financial sector.

What does that say about political priorities?

This notion the federal government isn't responsible for national disasters is ludicrous.  And stop glossing over the higher costs for necessary equipment.  The feds are able to compete in the world for the nation at a lower cost and more effectively.  How the hell does it make sense for every state to compete with each other, the feds, the world?  Why is paying more a better thing. 

Then why bother throwing money at the states?  Since money is the biggest political concern it would seem that the most efficient and practical approach would be to eliminate state governments.  Since the Federal government is responsible, we don't really need state governments.

The democrats aren't the ones diverting money from infrastructure, the gop won't fund it!  They had full control for 2 years and NOTHING.  And dems aren't the ones making it more attractive for companies to take their manufacturing elsewhere.  These companies get money from the gov't and don't even pay taxes.  They don't want to pay wages.  I never said anything about Amazon getting money, don't want them to get any and want them to pay taxes.

Infrastructure is more than just roads and bridges.  Democrats seem to have embraced the idea that the middle class are brawny men with shovels.  Building another Hoover dam won't create jobs as happened 90 years ago.

The manufacturing base is also infrastructure that allows the United States to respond to emergencies.  Without that industrial infrastructure, the United States doesn't have the ability to produce disposable masks and plastic aprons when the need arises.  Hand sanitizer and toilet paper must be manufactured.  The shortages we've experienced are a direct result of deterioration of our industrial infrastructure.  Thanks to Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, the brothers from different mothers.

Most Americans won't go back to normal unless they feel safe doing so.  All the 'opening' won't be successful if the result is killing grandma or your baby with compromised health.  They are likely to stay home until all the magas go out and take care of that herd immunity first.  Go kill off their own families and look fantastic with that new weave and haircut at grans virtual memorial.  And hope one of their kids doesn't get sick. 

But that will become a normal.  What is normal has always changed after a crisis.  The general public doesn't want social distancing to become normal.  The general public are ready to establish a different normal than social distancing.  Social distancing hasn't eliminated the risk; the risk remains the same no matter what is done.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

Hmmm. We are already the world leader in testing. We've performed almost twice as many tests as any other country. Isn't that how Covid analysis is done?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    5 months ago

Yesterday Trump said we have the "best" coronavirus death rate in the world. 

What was his standard?  This chart is from today, and the column on the far right is covid deaths per 100,000 population

Untitled spreadsheet : Sheet1
Country
Confirmed
Deaths
Case-Fatality
Deaths/100k pop
Ethiopia 250 5 2.00% 0
Malawi 57 3 5.30% 0.02
Uzbekistan 2,486 10 0.40% 0.03
Venezuela 422 10 2.40% 0.03
Taiwan* 440 7 1.60% 0.03
Zimbabwe 36 4 11.10% 0.03
Tanzania 509 21 4.10% 0.04
Sri Lanka 869 9 1.00% 0.04
Zambia 267 7 2.60% 0.04
Libya 64 3 4.70% 0.04
Congo (Kinshasa)
1,024 41 4.00% 0.05
Kenya 700 33 4.70% 0.06
Ghana 4,700 22 0.50% 0.07
Nigeria 4,641 150 3.20% 0.08
Thailand 3,015 56 1.90% 0.08
Cote d'Ivoire 1,730 21 1.20% 0.08
Nicaragua 16 5 31.20% 0.08
Guinea 2,146 11 0.50% 0.09
Jordan 562 9 1.60% 0.09
Senegal 1,886 19 1.00% 0.12
Haiti 209 16 7.70% 0.14
Togo 181 11 6.10% 0.14
Paraguay 724 10 1.40% 0.14
Costa Rica 801 7 0.90% 0.14
Bangladesh 15,691 239 1.50% 0.15
Guatemala 1,114 26 2.30% 0.15
Guinea-Bissau 761 3 0.40% 0.16
India 70,768 2,294 3.20% 0.17
Sudan 1,526 74 4.80% 0.18
Kazakhstan 5,207 32 0.60% 0.18
Kyrgyzstan 1,016 12 1.20% 0.19
Niger 832 46 5.50% 0.2
Mali 712 39 5.50% 0.2
Chad 322 31 9.60% 0.2
Congo (Brazzaville)
333 11 3.30% 0.21
Tajikistan 661 21 3.20% 0.23
Burkina Faso 760 50 6.60% 0.25
Sierra Leone 338 19 5.60% 0.25
El Salvador 958 18 1.90% 0.28
Iraq 2,818 110 3.90% 0.29
Georgia 638 11 1.70% 0.29
Jamaica 505 9 1.80% 0.31
Equatorial Guinea
439 4 0.90% 0.31
Djibouti 1,227 3 0.20% 0.31
Azerbaijan 2,589 32 1.20% 0.32
China 84,011 4,637 5.50% 0.33
Pakistan 32,081 706 2.20% 0.33
Afghanistan 4,687 122 2.60% 0.33
Malaysia 6,726 109 1.60% 0.35
Somalia 1,089 52 4.80% 0.35
Oman 3,573 17 0.50% 0.35
South Africa 10,652 206 1.90% 0.36
Indonesia 14,265 991 6.90% 0.37
Singapore 23,822 21 0.10% 0.37
Lebanon 859 26 3.00% 0.38
Australia 6,970 97 1.40% 0.39
Tunisia 1,032 45 4.40% 0.39
Liberia 211 20 9.50% 0.42
Gabon 802 9 1.10% 0.42
New Zealand 1,497 21 1.40% 0.43
Slovakia 1,457 26 1.80% 0.48
Japan 15,847 633 4.00% 0.5
Korea, South 10,936 258 2.40% 0.5
Cameroon 2,689 125 4.60% 0.5
Qatar 23,623 14 0.10% 0.5
Bahrain 5,236 8 0.20% 0.51
Morocco 6,281 188 3.00% 0.52
Egypt 9,746 533 5.50% 0.54
Uruguay 711 19 2.70% 0.55
Trinidad and Tobago
116 8 6.90% 0.58
Maldives 897 3 0.30% 0.58
Philippines 11,086 726 6.50% 0.68
Cuba 1,783 77 4.30% 0.68
Argentina 6,278 314 5.00% 0.71
Saudi Arabia 41,014 255 0.60% 0.76
Mauritius 332 10 3.00% 0.79
Ukraine 15,648 408 2.60% 0.91
Latvia 946 18 1.90% 0.93
Colombia 11,613 479 4.10% 0.96
Malta 503 5 1.00% 1.03
Bolivia 2,831 122 4.30% 1.07
Albania 872 31 3.60% 1.08
Algeria 5,891 507 8.60% 1.2
Honduras 2,100 116 5.50% 1.21
Guyana 109 10 9.20% 1.28
Bulgaria 1,990 93 4.70% 1.32
Cyprus 901 16 1.80% 1.35
Russia 221,344 2,009 0.90% 1.39
Greece 2,726 151 5.50% 1.41
Belarus 23,906 135 0.60% 1.42
Montenegro 324 9 2.80% 1.45
Kosovo 884 28 3.20% 1.52
Armenia 3,392 46 1.40% 1.56
Kuwait 9,286 65 0.70% 1.57
Chile 30,063 323 1.10% 1.72
Lithuania 1,485 50 3.40% 1.79
United Arab Emirates
18,878 201 1.10% 2.09
Poland 16,326 811 5.00% 2.14
Croatia 2,196 91 4.10% 2.23
Sao Tome and Principe
208 5 2.40% 2.37
Barbados 84 7 8.30% 2.44
Czechia 8,176 282 3.40% 2.65
Mexico 36,327 3,573 9.80% 2.83
Iceland 1,801 10 0.60% 2.83
Israel 16,506 258 1.60% 2.9
Serbia 10,176 218 2.10% 3.12
Antigua and Barbuda
25 3 12.00% 3.12
Bosnia and Herzegovina
2,141 113 5.30% 3.4
Dominican Republic
10,634 393 3.70% 3.7
Norway 8,132 224 2.80% 4.22
Hungary 3,284 421 12.80% 4.31
North Macedonia
1,664 91 5.50% 4.37
Estonia 1,741 61 3.50% 4.62
Turkey 139,771 3,841 2.70% 4.67
Finland 5,984 271 4.50% 4.91
Slovenia 1,460 102 7.00% 4.93
Moldova 4,995 175 3.50% 4.94
Romania 15,588 982 6.30% 5.04
Brazil 169,594 11,653 6.90% 5.56
Panama 8,616 249 2.90% 5.96
Peru 68,822 1,961 2.80% 6.13
Austria 15,882 620 3.90% 7.01
Iran 109,286 6,685 6.10% 8.17
Denmark 10,711 533 5.00% 9.19
Germany 172,576 7,661 4.40% 9.24
Monaco 96 4 4.20% 10.34
Portugal 27,679 1,144 4.10% 11.13
Ecuador 29,509 2,145 7.30% 12.56
Canada 71,264 5,115 7.20% 13.8
Luxembourg 3,888 101 2.60% 16.62
Switzerland 30,344 1,845 6.10% 21.66
US 1,347,881 80,682 6.00% 24.66
Ireland 23,135 1,467 6.30% 30.23
Netherlands 42,987 5,475 12.70% 31.77
Sweden 26,670 3,256 12.20% 31.97
France 177,547 26,646 15.00% 39.78
United Kingdom
224,332 32,141 14.30% 48.34
Italy 219,814 30,739 14.00% 50.87
Spain 227,436 26,744 11.80% 57.24
Andorra 755 48 6.40% 62.33
Belgium 53,449 8,707 16.30% 76.23
San Marino 628 41 6.50% 121.36
Diamond Princess
712 13 1.80% nan
Bahamas 93 11 11.80% nan
Yemen 56 9 16.10% nan
Burma 180 6 3.30% nan
Syria 47 3 6.40% nan
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Untitled spreadsheet : Sheet1
Country
Confirmed
Deaths
Case-Fatality
Deaths/100k pop
Singapore 23,822 21 0.10% 0.37
Qatar 23,623 14 0.10% 0.5
Djibouti 1,227 3 0.20% 0.31
Bahrain 5,236 8 0.20% 0.51
Maldives 897 3 0.30% 0.58
Uzbekistan 2,486 10 0.40% 0.03
Guinea-Bissau 761 3 0.40% 0.16
Ghana 4,700 22 0.50% 0.07
Guinea 2,146 11 0.50% 0.09
Oman 3,573 17 0.50% 0.35
Kazakhstan 5,207 32 0.60% 0.18
Saudi Arabia 41,014 255 0.60% 0.76
Belarus 23,906 135 0.60% 1.42
Iceland 1,801 10 0.60% 2.83
Kuwait 9,286 65 0.70% 1.57
Costa Rica 801 7 0.90% 0.14
Equatorial Guinea
439 4 0.90% 0.31
Russia 221,344 2,009 0.90% 1.39
Sri Lanka 869 9 1.00% 0.04
Senegal 1,886 19 1.00% 0.12
Malta 503 5 1.00% 1.03
Gabon 802 9 1.10% 0.42
Chile 30,063 323 1.10% 1.72
United Arab Emirates
18,878 201 1.10% 2.09
Cote d'Ivoire 1,730 21 1.20% 0.08
Kyrgyzstan 1,016 12 1.20% 0.19
Azerbaijan 2,589 32 1.20% 0.32
Paraguay 724 10 1.40% 0.14
Australia 6,970 97 1.40% 0.39
New Zealand 1,497 21 1.40% 0.43
Armenia 3,392 46 1.40% 1.56
Bangladesh 15,691 239 1.50% 0.15
Taiwan* 440 7 1.60% 0.03
Jordan 562 9 1.60% 0.09
Malaysia 6,726 109 1.60% 0.35
Israel 16,506 258 1.60% 2.9
Georgia 638 11 1.70% 0.29
Jamaica 505 9 1.80% 0.31
Slovakia 1,457 26 1.80% 0.48
Cyprus 901 16 1.80% 1.35
Diamond Princess
712 13 1.80% nan
Thailand 3,015 56 1.90% 0.08
El Salvador 958 18 1.90% 0.28
South Africa 10,652 206 1.90% 0.36
Latvia 946 18 1.90% 0.93
Ethiopia 250 5 2.00% 0
Serbia 10,176 218 2.10% 3.12
Pakistan 32,081 706 2.20% 0.33
Guatemala 1,114 26 2.30% 0.15
Venezuela 422 10 2.40% 0.03
Korea, South 10,936 258 2.40% 0.5
Sao Tome and Principe
208 5 2.40% 2.37
Zambia 267 7 2.60% 0.04
Afghanistan 4,687 122 2.60% 0.33
Ukraine 15,648 408 2.60% 0.91
Luxembourg 3,888 101 2.60% 16.62
Uruguay 711 19 2.70% 0.55
Turkey 139,771 3,841 2.70% 4.67
Montenegro 324 9 2.80% 1.45
Norway 8,132 224 2.80% 4.22
Peru 68,822 1,961 2.80% 6.13
Panama 8,616 249 2.90% 5.96
Lebanon 859 26 3.00% 0.38
Morocco 6,281 188 3.00% 0.52
Mauritius 332 10 3.00% 0.79
Nigeria 4,641 150 3.20% 0.08
India 70,768 2,294 3.20% 0.17
Tajikistan 661 21 3.20% 0.23
Kosovo 884 28 3.20% 1.52
Congo (Brazzaville)
333 11 3.30% 0.21
Burma 180 6 3.30% nan
Lithuania 1,485 50 3.40% 1.79
Czechia 8,176 282 3.40% 2.65
Estonia 1,741 61 3.50% 4.62
Moldova 4,995 175 3.50% 4.94
Albania 872 31 3.60% 1.08
Dominican Republic
10,634 393 3.70% 3.7
Iraq 2,818 110 3.90% 0.29
Austria 15,882 620 3.90% 7.01
Congo (Kinshasa)
1,024 41 4.00% 0.05
Japan 15,847 633 4.00% 0.5
Tanzania 509 21 4.10% 0.04
Colombia 11,613 479 4.10% 0.96
Croatia 2,196 91 4.10% 2.23
Portugal 27,679 1,144 4.10% 11.13
Monaco 96 4 4.20% 10.34
Cuba 1,783 77 4.30% 0.68
Bolivia 2,831 122 4.30% 1.07
Tunisia 1,032 45 4.40% 0.39
Germany 172,576 7,661 4.40% 9.24
Finland 5,984 271 4.50% 4.91
Cameroon 2,689 125 4.60% 0.5
Libya 64 3 4.70% 0.04
Kenya 700 33 4.70% 0.06
Bulgaria 1,990 93 4.70% 1.32
Sudan 1,526 74 4.80% 0.18
Somalia 1,089 52 4.80% 0.35
Argentina 6,278 314 5.00% 0.71
Poland 16,326 811 5.00% 2.14
Denmark 10,711 533 5.00% 9.19
Malawi 57 3 5.30% 0.02
Bosnia and Herzegovina
2,141 113 5.30% 3.4
Niger 832 46 5.50% 0.2
Mali 712 39 5.50% 0.2
China 84,011 4,637 5.50% 0.33
Egypt 9,746 533 5.50% 0.54
Honduras 2,100 116 5.50% 1.21
Greece 2,726 151 5.50% 1.41
North Macedonia
1,664 91 5.50% 4.37
Sierra Leone 338 19 5.60% 0.25
US 1,347,881 80,682 6.00% 24.66
Togo 181 11 6.10% 0.14
Iran 109,286 6,685 6.10% 8.17
Switzerland 30,344 1,845 6.10% 21.66
Romania 15,588 982 6.30% 5.04
Ireland 23,135 1,467 6.30% 30.23
Andorra 755 48 6.40% 62.33
Syria 47 3 6.40% nan
Philippines 11,086 726 6.50% 0.68
San Marino 628 41 6.50% 121.36
Burkina Faso 760 50 6.60% 0.25
Indonesia 14,265 991 6.90% 0.37
Trinidad and Tobago
116 8 6.90% 0.58
Brazil 169,594 11,653 6.90% 5.56
Slovenia 1,460 102 7.00% 4.93
Canada 71,264 5,115 7.20% 13.8
Ecuador 29,509 2,145 7.30% 12.56
Haiti 209 16 7.70% 0.14
Barbados 84 7 8.30% 2.44
Algeria 5,891 507 8.60% 1.2
Guyana 109 10 9.20% 1.28
Liberia 211 20 9.50% 0.42
Chad 322 31 9.60% 0.2
Mexico 36,327 3,573 9.80% 2.83
Zimbabwe 36 4 11.10% 0.03
Spain 227,436 26,744 11.80% 57.24
Bahamas 93 11 11.80% nan
Antigua and Barbuda
25 3 12.00% 3.12
Sweden 26,670 3,256 12.20% 31.97
Netherlands 42,987 5,475 12.70% 31.77
Hungary 3,284 421 12.80% 4.31
Italy 219,814 30,739 14.00% 50.87
United Kingdom
224,332 32,141 14.30% 48.34
France 177,547 26,646 15.00% 39.78
Yemen 56 9 16.10% nan
Belgium 53,449 8,707 16.30% 76.23
Nicaragua 16 5 31.20% 0.08
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Deaths/100k pop
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JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    5 months ago

stats are , today, from Johns Hopkins

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1    5 months ago
What was his standard?  This chart is from today, and the column on the far right is covid deaths per 100,000 population

Those tables provide clear evidence that government response for smaller population size has been more effective.  The data suggests that the response in the United States would be more effective at the state and local level rather than at the Federal level.  We should be demanding that state and city governments be in charge of responding to the pandemic.  The numbers don't lie and that's what the numbers are telling us.

The data in the provided tables confirm that President Joe demanding a national response has gotten it wrong.  Joe Biden doesn't know how to handle a pandemic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @2.1.2    5 months ago

I expect that many of these small countries have inaccuracies in their reporting. 

But there is no scenario on these charts where the US has the "best" (smallest) death rates.

Trump should stop lying. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.1.4  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    5 months ago

The states, cities, hospitals were not prepared for this scale of pandemic and neither was the Federal government.

The feds ramped up and provided hospital beds, ventilators, PPE etc  Some states did much better than others.

New York =  Cuomo told hospitals to send patients with the virus to nursing homes  instead of using the beds provided by the Feds. Cuomo initially said it was up to the nursing homes to decline to take them if they did not have the resources for treatment. He should have utilized the Comfort and Javitz Center beds designed for the virus and never sent the patients to nursing homes.

New York ended up with the largest death toll in the country and it is now coming out that there are most likely several more thousands of deaths that were not reported.

Florida did the opposite and had far fewer nursing home deaths per population than New York by a huge  margin.

California - Pelosi was partying in Chinatown well after the pandemic was evident, Newsom did a darn good job of stay at home etc.

Washington State led by Inslee did a first class job of shutting down the state and allowing reopening ASAP. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.1.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.3    4 months ago
I expect that many of these small countries have inaccuracies in their reporting. 

Which means what?  Better data doesn't change the fact that the tables show that a government response for smaller populations has been most effective.

The tables really do indicate that the response in the United States should be managed by state and local governments; not by the Federal government.

But there is no scenario on these charts where the US has the "best" (smallest) death rates. Trump should stop lying. 

And the partisan airheads should stop twisting the data into a lie.  The partisan demand has been for a more intrusive Federal response.  But the data shows that is the least effective approach.

What other country has mobilized its manufacturing base to meet the demands for supplies?  What other country has fast tracked development of treatments and vaccines?  

Body bag politics doesn't provide an adequate understanding of how the United States has responded.  The United States really has done well at responding to the pandemic without imposing police-state measures onto the country.  The United States really has achieved the lowest fatality rate while protecting the most freedom than any other country.  President Trump could have imposed martial law onto the country instead to requiring the states that manage their own response.  President Trump could have isolated New York with military check points and forced quarantine, as was done in China.

The United States is still a free, democratic country in the midst of pandemic.  That's an extraordinarily great accomplishment.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3  Paula Bartholomew    5 months ago

Trump untruths just keep on coming.

In raw numbers, the United States has tested more people than any other individual country — but nowhere near more than “every country combined” or, as he said in his tweet, more than “all major countries combined.”

He also said anyone who wants to be tested can be.  In reality, they want to only test people for now exhibiting signs and symptoms.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4  Tacos!    5 months ago

Biden’s rant is just a political speech from a candidate and it’s full of misleading lies and half-truths. He is completely misrepresenting how and when testing is desired, necessary, or useful.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
4.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @4    5 months ago
Biden’s rant is just a political speech

And more than likely written by somebody else.  The man has been out of touch with basic sh!t let alone what the country needs.  

 
 
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