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Pelosi says election threats from Russia and China are not equal

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  4 years ago  •  47 comments

By:    SARAH CAMMARATA (POLITICO)

Pelosi says election threats from Russia and China are not equal
"Russia is actively 24/7 interfering in our election. They did so in 2016, and they are doing so now," Pelosi added.

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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi defended her claim that the threats posed by Russia, China and Iran to interfere in the presidential are not equal, following an intelligence report last week that found Russia is targeting former Vice President Joe Biden, while China and Iran are hoping President Donald Trump will lose.

"They're not equivalent," Pelosi said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." She added that the intelligence community needs to "put more information out there."

"Russia is actively 24/7 interfering in our election. They did so in 2016, and they are doing so now," Pelosi added.

Pelosi said in an earlier interview on "Fox News Sunday" she's long been a critic of China — in 1991, she held up a protest banner in China's Tiananmen Square — but to "give some equivalence" of China and Russia on measures to interfere with the election "doesn't really tell the story. As long as they tell the whole story about Russia, then they can hide it any way they want, but the American people need to know."

"The Chinese, they said, prefer Biden — we don't know that, but that's what they're saying, but they're not really getting involved in the presidential election," Pelosi said.

The Trump administration and congressional Democrats have sparred over whether the three countries in the report — Russia, China and Iran — should be placed in the same playing field. Democrats argue that the warning on election interference should not equate Russia's interference efforts with those by China and Iran.

"We assess that Russia is using a range of measures to primarily denigrate former Vice President Biden and what it sees as an anti-Russia 'establishment,'" Bill Evanina, director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, said in a statement Friday.


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Nerm_L
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1  seeder  Nerm_L    4 years ago

Nancy Pelosi is certain about Russia and completely clueless about China.  Apparently meddling that helps Democrats is okey dokey.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 years ago

What 'meddling' is helping Democrats?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.1.1  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    4 years ago
What 'meddling' is helping Democrats?

Didn't you get the meme?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 years ago

The leftists are so sure of Russia helping Trump that they can't even see China and Iran helping Hidin' Biden.

One track minds and all.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Texan1211  replied to    4 years ago

Gee, I heard somewhere at one time that Democrats paid for it.

Or have they already rewritten THAT history?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2    4 years ago
The leftists are so sure of Russia helping Trump that they can't even see China and Iran helping Hidin' Biden.

Bill Evanina is a leftist???

Russia targeting Biden but China prefers Trump lose, counterintel chief says

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.3    4 years ago

Not sure what you read, but my post didn't mention Bill Evanina at all.

Strawman much??

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.4    4 years ago
Not sure what you read, but my post didn't mention Bill Evanina at all.

In case you missed it (you did, by choice), the leftists are not so sure of Russia helping Trump, Bill Evanina is.  They are just responding to his statement.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.5    4 years ago

I missed absolutely nothing.

I do see you missed the WHOLE statement I made which you responded to:

The leftists are so sure of Russia helping Trump that they can't even see China and Iran helping Hidin' Biden.

One track minds and all.

Do you have anything to say about the leftists (NOT BILL EVANINA, since that wasn't clear to you earlier) ignoring China and Iran's push for Hidin' Biden?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
1.2.7  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.6    4 years ago
Do you have anything to say about the leftists (NOT BILL EVANINA, since that wasn't clear to you earlier) ignoring China and Iran's push for Hidin' Biden?

Trump is the only one who has stated that he would accept foreign assistance.  That's why there's a difference. 

Unless you would like to provide evidence (like I did) that Biden would accept that assistance.

(NOT BILL EVANINA, since that wasn't clear to you earlier)

Because pointing out that it was BILL EVANINA, NOT the liberals, that was warning about Russia again helping Trump, blows your whole claim out of the water.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.7    4 years ago

you can think whatever you want, no matter how wrong it may be.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.8    4 years ago
you can think whatever you want, no matter how wrong it may be.

And, typically, you are unable to provide any evidence that I am wrong.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 years ago

She has it backwards, that's all.

China has already dramatically influenced the election:  They unleashed the Coronavirus, which killed over 160,000 Americans and destroyed the robust Trump economy.

They have already tipped the scale for Biden.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    4 years ago
China has already dramatically influenced the election

Can you prove any votes will be changed from Republican to Democrat because of the virus? I seem to recall that was the standard conservative Republican defense of the known Russian influence in 2016.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.1    4 years ago
Can you prove any votes will be changed from Republican to Democrat because of the virus?

Not necessary anymore, since now just the accusation is important.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.3.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.2    4 years ago
just the accusation is important

So all the false accusations against Hillary made by Russian bot farms did matter and did affect the election? It seem Republicans want to have their cake and eat it too. They want everyone to believe Russian meddling, illegal hacking and release of private citizen emails, the millions they spent on fake social media ads had zero affect on 2016 and no one should be concerned with Russian illicit help of the Trump campaign but now they also want everyone to believe that China and Iran favor Democrats and their influence is certainly a problem to be very concerned about. Conservative hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.3    4 years ago

Your post clearly illustrates hypocrisy.

BOTH sides do it. GOP doesn't want to acknowledge that Russia interference may have helped Trump, and Democrats don't want to acknowledge that China and Iran interference will help Biden.

I guess the difference between us is I can see it and acknowledge it, and you won't.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.3.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.4    4 years ago
I guess the difference between us is I can see it and acknowledge it, and you won't.

So far, we have lots of evidence of Russia's illicit interference, where is actual evidence of China and Iran actively interfering?

"an intelligence report last week that found Russia is targeting former Vice President Joe Biden, while China and Iran are hoping President Donald Trump will lose."

Russia is "targeting" Biden while China and Iran are "hoping" Trump loses. I agree with Pelosi that these two are in no way equivalent. The only ones refusing to acknowledge something are those who continue to deny that Putin is actively backing Trump and has been for years. When China hacks the RNC and releases embarrassing emails and hacks at least 22 state voter databases then targets those specific swing states with fake social media ads designed to look like they are domestic and when there is evidence of them spending millions a month on bot farms to influence the election, then you can claim some sort of equivalence.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.1    4 years ago
Can you prove any votes will be changed from Republican to Democrat because of the virus?

Proof of how people will vote I don't have, however I do have common sense. People tend to blame whoever is in office for economic downturns and disasters that take place under their watch. How would you explain liberal pundits concerned that Trump looked unbeatable in January and polling now, 7 months later, showing a stuffed suit with a huge lead over the President?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.3.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.6    4 years ago
How would you explain liberal pundits concerned that Trump looked unbeatable in January

Trump has never looked unbeatable. Even in January his disapproval rating was north of 50%. Where was your common sense when we found out that Russia illegally hacked the DNC and released embarrassing emails on behalf of the Trump campaign? Weren't you claiming for the last 4 years that Russian meddling had no supposed effect on the 2016 election? But now you claim to use "common sense" to inform you that if China hacks the RNC and releases damaging emails on behalf of the Biden campaign it's a serious crime and Biden and company should somehow be blamed? How convenient.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.3.8  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.7    4 years ago
Trump has never looked unbeatable.

As I said it wasn't long ago that liberal pundits were saying just that:

"When asked by MSNBC's Nicolle Wallace "who could beat Trump," Deutsch responded by saying the "Joe Biden we want" can, but "no one" on the debate stage could."

foxnews.com/entertainment/msnbcs-donny-deutsch-lawrence-odonnell-enter-shouting-match-over-whether-any-2020-dem-can-beat-trump


Where was your common sense when we found out that Russia illegally hacked the DNC and released embarrassing emails on behalf of the Trump campaign? 

You mean when the company known as "Crowdstrike" told us that? Why didn't the FBI or CIA go through the DNC server?


Weren't you claiming for the last 4 years that Russian meddling had no supposed effect on the 2016 election?

Nope. For three years, Iv'e told you that Trump colluding with Russia was a lie!


 But now you claim to use "common sense" to inform you that if China hacks the RNC and releases damaging emails on behalf of the Biden campaign it's a serious crime and Biden and company should somehow be blamed?

Wha?  I said no such thing. What I said was China has already tipped the balance in Biden's favor by releasing that evil virus on all of us!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.3.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.8    4 years ago
China has already tipped the balance in Biden's favor by releasing that evil virus on all of us!

And you don't see what a rabidly insane conspiracy theory that is? That's not "common sense", that's batshit crazy. If you have actual evidence of the Chinese government intentionally releasing the virus with the goal of hurting America or helping the Biden campaign then please do share, I'm sure dishonest Donald would just love such evidence to back up his own whacko conspiracy theories.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.9    4 years ago

"And you don't see what a rabidly insane conspiracy theory that is? That's not "common sense", that's batshit crazy. If you have actual evidence of the Chinese government intentionally releasing the virus with the goal of hurting America or helping the Biden campaign then please do share, I'm sure dishonest Donald would just love such evidence to back up his own whacko conspiracy theories."

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Vic Eldred
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1.3.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.3.9    4 years ago
If you have actual evidence of the Chinese government intentionally releasing the virus

They did restrict travel within China when this broke, right?

They did allow flights going out to all parts of the world, right?

You think that is how a legitimate government operates?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Nerm_L @1    4 years ago

Pelosi and most of the rest of the left confuse the terms, interfering and influencing. Of course other governments will try to influence our elections, as we do theirs. But there has never been any credible evidence was interfered or meddled with and actually affected vote counts.

It seems that the Obama administration was aware of what Russia was doing before the last election, but choose to not do anything about it. .

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4    4 years ago
It seems that the Obama administration was aware of what Russia was doing before the last election, but choose to not do anything about it. .

Correct, yet the current US National Security Advisor put this little bulletin out:

“China, like Russia, like Iran—they’ve engaged in cyberattacks and phishing and that sort of thing with respect to our election infrastructure, with respect to websites,” Mr. O’Brien said during an interview on CBS. Mr. O’Brien also said China was “absolutely trying to access secretary of state websites,” and the goal is “to see the president lose.”

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4    4 years ago
Pelosi and most of the rest of the left confuse the terms, interfering and influencing. Of course other governments will try to influence our elections, as we do theirs. But there has never been any credible evidence was interfered or meddled with and actually affected vote counts. It seems that the Obama administration was aware of what Russia was doing before the last election, but choose to not do anything about it.

Russia is in a position to strong arm Ukraine.  No doubt anything concerning Biden, Burisma, and Ukraine would be called 'meddling'.

The question is if the Ukrainian connection has more value for Russia before the election or after the election.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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2  Sparty On    4 years ago

Crazy old bat .... i think Botox is leaking into her brain and affecting what little reasoning ability she ever had

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3  Tacos!    4 years ago

We're going to need Trump to say something slightly complimentary about someone in China before the Democrats start giving a shit about that country.

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1  Ender  replied to  Tacos! @3    4 years ago

donald did that to begin with, until he decided he needed an enemy.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ender @3.1    4 years ago
donald did that to begin with

Well, he does always seems to admire the ability of strongmen dictators to get what they want.

Who wouldn't though? How many times have people played the game, "If I were king of the world, I would . . . ?"

No one who plays that game ever says, "I would give away all that power in favor of democratic rule."

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    4 years ago
"The Chinese, they said, prefer Biden — we don't know that, but that's what they're saying, but they're not really getting involved in the presidential election," Pelosi said.

That's what China told her to say.

Seriously, how would she know what China is getting involved in? But she says this with such certainty, it's like the absurd denial of a guilty party.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1  Gsquared  replied to  Tacos! @4    4 years ago

how would she know what China is getting involved in?

She is the Speaker of the House and has access to and is briefed on highly classified information.  Maybe that's how.

it's like the absurd denial of a guilty party.

You're talking about Trump. 

"[Trump] has repeatedly denied the assertion that Russia tried to help his campaign in 2016, despite reports from the FBI, the CIA, the National Security Agency, the Justice Department, and the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee that supported that conclusion."

 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Gsquared  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.1    4 years ago

Unlike the traitor Trump and his minions, no patriotic American welcomes, encourages and seeks foreign interference in our elections.  Nancy Pelosi does not.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Gsquared @4.1    4 years ago
is briefed on highly classified information

OK, but if they're doing something in secret . . . how would she know, right? Also, she doesn't cite classified information. In fact, she implies she's not seeing classified information.

She added that the intelligence community needs to "put more information out there."

She cites to what the Chinese are saying.

"The Chinese, they said, prefer Biden — we don't know that, but that's what they're saying, but they're not really getting involved in the presidential election,"

So, I guess she trusts them. That doesn't sound too smart.

You're talking about Trump.

You can go that way, but it either applies to both or neither.

The bottom line is she probably doesn't really know what Russia or China are doing, but she's got a narrative she needs to perpetuate for political reasons.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    4 years ago

Where did you get that from? Iran's sole intention is to interfere with our elections. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to    4 years ago

Wasn't Biden part of the administration which initiated the ever-so-sweet Iran Deal?  And President Trump scrapped it.

Even without the intelligence, common sense would dictate whom Iran would prefer.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.13  Vic Eldred  replied to    4 years ago

I know it. I was waiting on that one.

 
 

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