Fox News town hall: Trump predicts coronavirus vaccine by year’s end, vows ‘plague’ will pass

  
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Fox News town hall: Trump predicts coronavirus vaccine by year’s end, vows ‘plague’ will pass
"A lot of people want to go back," Trump told Baier and MacCallum. "You see demonstrations all over the country -- and those are meaningful demonstrations. ... Now we have to get it open. We have to get it open safely, but we have to get it open as quickly as possible." Asked by MacCallum whether he ever considers whether he went too far in pushing for a nationwide shutdown, Trump responded, "No, we did the right thing." He added that millions of lives had been saved -- but, he conceded, "I...

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Well done Mr. President!  Your town Hall was informative, inspiring, and uplifting.  That’s exactly what  America needs.  We look forward to new meds, a vaccine, and getting back to work.  Let’s get our economy back!  


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As some states loosen lockdown restrictions in a bid to set the nation's battered economy on the road to recovery,  President Trump  endorsed a state-by-state approach while predicting at a Fox News virtual town hall on Sunday that a coronavirus vaccine could be available by December.

"I think we'll have a vaccine by the end of the year," Trump told the moderators, Fox News' Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum, saying he was "very confident" in the assessment. "We'll have a vaccine much sooner rather than later."

Asked by MacCallum if he was concerned about the potential risks of accelerating a vaccine and human trials, Trump responded: "No, because they're volunteers. They know what they're getting into ... They want to help the process."

That timeline was dramatically ahead of previous estimates from both public and private sector experts at the outset of the pandemic, which had said a vaccine could take  up to 18 months , if not longer. But, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases,  said this weekend  it was "doable if things fall in the right place" to have a vaccine by January.

Trump also predicted that the U.S. would be self-reliant on antibiotics, without needing to rely on China, within two years. Republicans have said it's "crazy" that America is reliant on China, a communist adversary, for critical supplies including antibiotics.

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President Donald Trump speaks during a Fox News virtual town hall from the Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Washington, co-moderated by FOX News anchors Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


However, Trump predicted that as many as 100,000 Americans could die from the coronavirus, in a significant increase from his estimate of 60,000 last month. “We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” Trump said, calling it a "horrible" situation. Without his administration's actions, Trump asserted, "the minimum we would have lost was a million two, a million four, a million five, that’s the minimum."

Trump generally backed the efforts of America's governors to manage the crisis, saying that each state will have a different approach to reopening their economies.

"It's going to pass," he assured, repeatedly referring to the outbreak as the "plague."

Trump went on to assert that Democrats and media organizations, who have  mocked him  for touting the possible benefits of hydroxychloroquine in fighting coronavirus, were motivated by politics and "don't want to see a good result." Some media organizations even  reported  that an Arizona couple had consumed fish tank cleaner because they believed it contained hydroxychloroquine. The woman in that case had claimed she was following Trump's advice  despite openly attacking Trump  on social media. Her husband’s death after ingesting the liquid is  now under investigation.

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President Donald Trump speaks during a Fox News virtual town hall from the Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


Trump has consistently  acknowledged  during White House coronavirus briefings, beginning on  March 19 , that hydroxychloroquine might not work but was worth trying in some patients, given preliminary  studies  showing possible promising results. New,  non-rigorous data has called those indicators into question, however.

"I'm standing up there and instead of a normal question, the level of anger and hatred. I'll look at them, I'll say 'what is your problem?'" Trump said at the town hall, referring to how the media treated him during White House coronavirus briefings.

Joe Biden, media outlets and other Democrats, Trump pointed out, had initially  characterized  his January travel ban on China as xenophobic, before  changing their tune . When Baier queried Trump about a recent  Biden tweet  saying Trump had left the U.S. "unprepared" for a pandemic, Trump was immediately dismissive.

"Joe Biden didn't write that," Trump said. "That was written by a young man who got very good grades at a very good school." At a previous Fox News town hall in March, Trump similarly  implied  that Biden is no longer mentally competent.

China, Trump said, had conclusively misled the world on the spread of the coronavirus. "I think, personally, they made a horrible mistake, and they didn't want to admit it," Trump said. He added that China had misled the World Health Organization, for which Trump  suspended  funding earlier in the year for failing to warn the global community and  simply parroting  China's claims about the virus.

A research dossier  compiled by the so-called “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance, that reportedly concludes China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus pandemic, is consistent with U.S. findings about the origins of the outbreak so far, senior U.S. officials  told Fox News on Saturday.  Fox News was the  first to report  that sources were increasingly confident the virus likely had escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, where the naturally occurring strain was being studied. The matter remains under investigation, however.

Sunday's town hall event was entitled "America Together: Returning to Work." It featured video questions submitted by viewers on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.

After what he called a "working weekend" at Camp David, Trump returned to the White House Sunday afternoon. The president has faced a cascading series of challenges in recent days, including  protesters in Michigan  storming the state capitol to protest stay-at-home orders, reports that North Korea's leader  was alive  and healthy despite a  CNN report that he was near death, and  apparent discord  within his administration as to the potential threat still posed by the coronavirus.

"A lot of people want to go back," Trump told Baier and MacCallum. "You see demonstrations all over the country -- and those are meaningful demonstrations. ... Now we have to get it open. We have to get it open safely, but we have to get it open as quickly as possible."

Asked by MacCallum whether he ever considers whether he went too far in pushing for a nationwide shutdown, Trump responded, "No, we did the right thing." He added that millions of lives had been saved -- but, he conceded, "I do look back on it."

Trump said he has lost three friends due to the coronavirus: "This is a very advanced, very horrible thing we're fighting. But, with all of that said, we've learned a lot about it. It affects older people. ... This thing is vicious. And it can take you out. But children do very well. Young children do better than teens."

At the same time, Trump said some states, including Virginia, aren't opening up fast enough. He also took an apparent shot at California, where Gov.  Gavin Newsom , a Democrat, ordered Orange County beaches -- prompting hundreds of protesters to flood the city of Huntington Beach in protest.

The town hall came amid other whirlwind developments in Washington.  Bombshell new disclosures  by the Justice Department, for example, largely supported Trump's claims that FBI officials furtively worked to target some of his former top officials.

Among other revelations,  FBI communications  made clear that top bureau officials discussed their motivations for interviewing former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn in  the White House  on January 24, 2017 -- and openly questioned if their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."

Back in the White House, Trump tweeted Sunday that the intelligence community had vindicated him on another matter.

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President Donald Trump speaks during a Fox News virtual town hall from the Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Washington, co-moderated by FOX News anchors Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


"Intelligence has just reported to me that I was correct, and that they did NOT bring up the CoronaVirus subject matter until late into January, just prior to my banning China from the U.S.," Trump wrote, apparently contradicting an  earlier report in The Washington Post. "Also, they only spoke of the Virus in a very non-threatening, or matter of fact, manner......Fake News got it wrong again, as always, and tens of thousands of lives were saved by my EARLY BAN of China into our Country. The people that we’re allowed were heavily scrutinized and tested U.S. citizens, and as such, I welcome them with open arms!"

Responding to a viewer question on the Post's report on Sunday, Trump pointed out that top Democrats were opposing his measures to close down travel from China. Trump said that on Jan. 23, he had indeed received an intelligence report on the virus, but it indicated it wouldn't be a major threat. Trump said intelligence materials would be released on Monday to substantiate his claim.

Politico had  reported  that the Trump administration held a briefing on the coronavirus for senators on Jan. 24, but it was "sparsely attended" in part because it "was held on the same day as a deadline for senators to submit their impeachment questions."

Trump was joined later by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and Vice President Mike Pence, and the three emphasized that a payroll tax cut would be a necessary part of any future stimulus.

Mnuchin made clear that the White House was looking to "help states," but not "bail out" any financial mismanagement.

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Marine One, with President Donald Trump aboard, approaches the South Lawn of the White House, Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Washington. Trump is returning from a trip to Camp David, Md. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)


Pence, meanwhile, admitted he had made a mistake  during a recent hospital visit . “I should have worn the mask at the Mayo Clinic," he said.

Trump's appearance at the Lincoln Memorial was his first interview with Baier and MacCallum since the  Fox News town hall in Scranton, Pa., on March 5 .

But, the nation's political and economic landscape has transformed dramatically in the several weeks since Trump's last town hall, which featured an in-person audience in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic. Even then, Trump made sure to tout his decision to close most travel from China in January, even though Democrats and some media organizations initially  characterized the move as xenophobic.

"One of the things I did is, I closed down the borders to China and to other areas that are very badly affected and really having a lot of troubles — I mean, countries and areas of countries that have had a lot of problems," Trump  told an audience member  at the March town hall. "And, I closed them down very early, against the advice of almost everybody, and we’ve been given rave reviews."

Also at the March town hall, Trump touted his Gallup poll numbers, which showed  relatively high marks  for the administration's coronavirus response. Those numbers rose six points in the last two weeks, according to the latest  Gallup poll .

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President Donald Trump speaks during a Fox News virtual town hall from the Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)


The new survey found 49 percent approved of the president’s job in office and 47 percent disapproved, a personal best with Gallup for Trump.

Two weeks ago, 43 percent approved of the president’s job, according to the pollster. Trump also had a 49 percent approval rating in mid-March, according to Gallup, before his rating took a 6-point plunge in the first half of April.

However,  Fox News polls  showed that Biden has remained a strong rival for Trump in the early days of the campaign, and has surged ahead in key states.

For now, though, Trump made clear he was focused on confronting the pandemic more than political considerations. Asked at the end of the town hall what he had told family members about the crisis, Trump sounded an optimistic note.

"I sat down with my son, I sat down with my grandchildren. I said a terrible thing has happened," the president told Baier. "But we're going to be strong, we're going to get out of it, and our country's going to be bigger, better, and stronger than ever before."

Fox News' Morgan Phillips contributed to this report. 



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MAGA
1  seeder  MAGA    5 months ago

Sunday's town hall event was entitled "America Together: Returning to Work." It featured video questions submitted by viewers on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.

After what he called a "working weekend" at Camp David, Trump returned to the White House Sunday afternoon. The president has faced a cascading series of challenges in recent days, including  protesters in Michigan  storming the state capitol to protest stay-at-home orders, reports that North Korea's leader  was alive  and healthy despite a  CNN report that he was near death, and  apparent discord  within his administration as to the potential threat still posed by the coronavirus.

"A lot of people want to go back," Trump told Baier and MacCallum. "You see demonstrations all over the country -- and those are meaningful demonstrations. ... Now we have to get it open. We have to get it open safely, but we have to get it open as quickly as possible."

Asked by MacCallum whether he ever considers whether he went too far in pushing for a nationwide shutdown, Trump responded, "No, we did the right thing." He added that millions of lives had been saved -- but, he conceded, "I do look back on it."

Trump said he has lost three friends due to the coronavirus: "This is a very advanced, very horrible thing we're fighting. But, with all of that said, we've learned a lot about it. It affects older people. ... This thing is vicious. And it can take you out. But children do very well. Young children do better than teens."

At the same time, Trump said some states, including Virginia, aren't opening up fast enough. He also took an apparent shot at California, where Gov.  Gavin Newsom , a Democrat, ordered Orange County beaches -- prompting hundreds of protesters to flood the city of Huntington Beach in protest.

The town hall came amid other whirlwind developments in Washington.  Bombshell new disclosures  by the Justice Department, for example, largely supported Trump's claims that FBI officials furtively worked to target some of his former top officials.

Among other revelations,  FBI communications  made clear that top bureau officials discussed their motivations for interviewing former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn in  the White House  on January 24, 2017 -- and openly questioned if their "goal" was "to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired."

Back in the White House, Trump tweeted Sunday that the intelligence community had vindicated him on another matter.

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President Donald Trump speaks during a Fox News virtual town hall from the Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, May 3, 2020, in Washington, co-moderated by FOX News anchors Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

"Intelligence has just reported to me that I was correct, and that they did NOT bring up the CoronaVirus subject matter until late into January, just prior to my banning China from the U.S.," Trump wrote, apparently contradicting an  earlier report in The Washington Post. "Also, they only spoke of the Virus in a very non-threatening, or matter of fact, manner......Fake News got it wrong again, as always, and tens of thousands of lives were saved by my EARLY BAN of China into our Country. The people that we’re allowed were heavily scrutinized and tested U.S. citizens, and as such, I welcome them with open arms!"

Responding to a viewer question on the Post's report on Sunday, Trump pointed out that top Democrats were opposing his measures to close down travel from China. Trump said that on Jan. 23, he had indeed received an intelligence report on the virus, but it indicated it wouldn't be a major threat. Trump said intelligence materials would be released on Monday to substantiate his claim.

Politico had  reported  that the Trump administration held a briefing on the coronavirus for senators on Jan. 24, but it was "sparsely attended" in part because it "was held on the same day as a deadline for senators to submit their impeachment questions."

Trump was joined later by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and Vice President Mike Pence, and the three emphasized that a payroll tax cut would be a necessary part of any future stimulus.

Mnuchin made clear that the White House was looking to "help states," but not "bail out" any financial mismanagement.   https://thenewstalkers.com/the-peoples-fish-im-with-her/group_discuss/8258/fox-news-town-hall-trump-predicts-coronavirus-vaccine-by-years-end-vows-plague-will-pass

 
 
 
JBB
2  JBB    5 months ago

Things will turn around when Biden is inaugurated...

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  JBB @2    5 months ago

Like right into the toilet if he gets in.  We have a great leader and American President now.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MAGA @2.1    5 months ago

What happens if a vaccine is not here by the end of the year?  What will be the opinion of Trump then for making a false claim?

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.1    5 months ago

It is an aspiration we are reaching for with the Manhattan like project to develop one.  It is our reasonable hope.  We will leave it to his “loyal” opposition to actively root against and hope we don’t succeed just do that they can have avtalking point against him at America’s expense 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @2    5 months ago

Dream and I'll dream with you!

 
 
 
MAGA
2.2.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2    5 months ago

that dream would be a National nightmare were itvto come true.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  MAGA @2.2.1    5 months ago

Let's put an end to it - One more time!

 
 
 
MAGA
2.2.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.2.2    5 months ago

I agree.  We must do so for the survival of the Republic.  

 
 
 
MAGA
3  seeder  MAGA    5 months ago

Isn’t the prospect of a vaccine by around New Years and a reviving economy something that would make us all hopeful for our future after the foreign created virus is repelled?  

 
 
 
JBB
3.1  JBB  replied to  MAGA @3    5 months ago

Of course everyone wants to be freed from this awful mess. Who do you think is running things? Here is a hint. The guy who took us down the tubes in none other than Donald J Trump. There is no zero zip way he is getting reelected. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  JBB @3.1    5 months ago

No one is going to expect Biden to deal better with the red menace that is Communist China 🇨🇳 than Trump will do.  Biden has been bought by China and is a Manchurian candidate.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.1    5 months ago
 Biden has been bought by China and is a Manchurian candidate.  

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MAGA
3.1.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.2    5 months ago

Just like Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Hussein Obama were bought by them.  None to Biden’s extent though.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.3    5 months ago

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Doubling down on the absurd I see.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.5  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.4    5 months ago

In televised town hall, Trump pushes for economic reopening

WASHINGTON (May 4, 2020) — Anxious to spur an economic recovery without risking lives, President Donald Trump on Sunday insisted that “you can satisfy both" — see states gradually lift lockdowns while also protecting people from the coronavirus pandemic that has killed more than 60,000 Americans.

The president, fielding questions from Americans in a virtual town hall from the Lincoln Memorial, acknowledged valid fears on both sides of the issue. Some people are worried about getting sick; others are reeling from lost jobs and livelihoods.

But while Trump increased his projection for the total U.S. death total to 80,000 or 90,000, he struck a note of urgency to restart the nation's economy, declaring “we have to reopen our country.”

“We have to get it back open safely but as quickly as possible,” Trump said.

After more than a month of being cooped up at the White House, Trump returned from a weekend at the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland for the virtual town hall hosted by Fox News Channel.

The president said of his monumental backdrop: "We never had a more beautiful set than this.”

As concerns mount about his reelection bid, Trump stuck to his relentlessly optimistic view of the nation's ability to rebound soon.

“It is all working out,” Trump said. “It is horrible to go through, but it is working out.”

Many public health experts believe the nation cannot safely reopen fully until a vaccine is developed. Trump declared Sunday that he believed one could be available by year’s end.

U.S. public health officials have said a vaccine is probably a year to 18 months away. But Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s leading expert on infectious diseases and member of the White House coronavirus task force, said in late April that it is conceivable, if a vaccine is soon developed, that it could be in wide distribution as early as January.

Debate continued over moves by governors to start reopening state economies that tanked after shopping malls, salons and other nonessential businesses were ordered closed in attempt to slow a virus that has killed more than 66,000 Americans, according to a tally of reported deaths by Johns Hopkins University.

The U.S. economy has suffered, shrinking at a 4.8% annual rate from January through March, the government estimated last week. And roughly 30.3 million people have filed for unemployment aid in the six weeks since the outbreak forced employers to shut down and slash their workforces.

The president's aides believe restarting the economy, even with its health risks, is essential to a victory in November and are pushing for him to pivot away from discussions about the pandemic and onto an American comeback story.

To that end, Trump will begin traveling again, with a trip to a mask factory in Arizona planned for Tuesday. The president also is set to speak in June at commencement for the U.S. Military Academy at West Point. Returning to campus for commencement will require graduates to self-isolate for 14 days, but Trump insisted the event poses no risk to the cadets.   https://onenewsnow.com/ap/politics/in-televised-town-hall-trump-pushes-for-economic-reopening

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.5    5 months ago

It sounds like Trump is more concerned about his poll numbers than with actual public health. Everyone wants to get the economy going and everything back to normal again. But that's something which cannot be done rashly. Getting back to business can potentially undo the progress that has been made so far. It must be done wisely and rationally. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.7  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.6    5 months ago

That’s what Trump has set up his stages of re opening for.  To make fact and data based changes wisely and rationally.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.7    5 months ago
That’s what Trump has set up his stages of re opening for.

What stages? All he's said is the typical [paraphrased] "we have to reopen as soon as possible" lip service. 

 To make fact and data based changes wisely and rationally.  

And yet, he's encouraging protests against state governments that are trying to wisely and rationally determine when the best time to reopen is and not jump the gun, thereby enabling a resurgence in Covid cases. His whole handling of the Covid crisis has been anything but wise or rational.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.9  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.8    5 months ago

There is nothing wise or rational about what the fascist regime is doing in Michigan.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.9    5 months ago

Except trying to contain the spread of Covid and keep the populace from being infected. But your otherwise asinine statement reflects poorly on you. "Facist regime?" >facepalm <

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.11  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.10    5 months ago

And how was preventing people from planting vegetables or flowers in their yards or mowing their lawn or painting a room inside their house going to spread the virus.  How would buying a new shirt or a DVD player while already at Walmart or Costco spread the virus?  What was the science behind the witches decree? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.6    5 months ago
"It sounds like Trump is more concerned about his poll numbers than with actual public health. Everyone wants to get the economy going and everything back to normal again. But that's something which cannot be done rashly. Getting back to business can potentially undo the progress that has been made so far. It must be done wisely and rationally."

That and the almighty dollar - himself and the almighty dollar - are the only things he believes in.  

Money over people - that's what he believes in

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.13  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.11    5 months ago

You do realize the more people that gather in a location, the greater the chance for viral infection and spread, right? 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.14  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.13    5 months ago

How many people are in a yard, a garden, or a house?  How would Walmart selling people already in the store a DVD player or a shirt cause more people to gather in a location. Walmart’s have 100,000 to 200,000 sq ft of space.  Selling the whole content of the store has no impact on social distancing except to stead them out through the whole store and not concentrated in the grocery and pharmacy sections.  

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.15  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.12    5 months ago

But Trump!  Interesting to note that no one is talking about the optimistic outlook for a vaccine soon and the development of therapeutics to treat the virus.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.16  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.14    5 months ago

3.1.13.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.17  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.15    5 months ago
 Interesting to note that no one is talking about the optimistic outlook for a vaccine soon and the development of therapeutics to treat the virus.  

Of course scientists are working to develop a vaccine to the virus. That's a given and only a matter of time. But Covid is here to stay, much like the flu. Of course, now scientists have found a mutated and more virulent strain of Covid. So there is that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.18  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.17    5 months ago
But Covid is here to stay, much like the flu.

Which Covid Virus ?

I read there are (7) Seven different Versions.....haven't seen MERS or SARS versions pop up in this country lately.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.19  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.18    5 months ago

SARS-CoV-2, G-Strain. Although, I think there are now 8 strains being tracked. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.19    5 months ago
SARS-CoV-2, G-Strain

So, this New one couldn't and won't go the way of SARS (6 Months)/MERS(2 Months) versions, which hasn't popped up since they occurred awhile ago ?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.21  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.20    5 months ago
So, this New one couldn't and won't go the way of SARS (6 Months)/MERS(2 Months) versions, which hasn't popped up since they occurred awhile ago ?

Probably not (but I do hope I'm wrong). It seems to have greater infectivity than the current strain. What I'm not sure about is if this strain is deadlier or not.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.22  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.21    5 months ago
Probably not.

Glass half Empty ?

The media preaches that too. Not a "Great message".

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.23  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.22    5 months ago
Glass half Empty ?

No. Just realistic. 

The media preaches that too. Not a "Great message".

Just a real one. And Covid is now a reality. That's something we have to face. Although, it's possibly at its worst now and will improve, especially when vaccines and better therapies are developed. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong and Covid goes the way of other diseases that have quietly dropped under the radar. The wild card in this is the new strain and how that progresses.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.24  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.23    5 months ago
No. Just realistic.

SARS and MERS were "Real" too !

The "Fright Reporting" on those was just as scary back then.

"And Covid is now a reality."

All (7) Versions have always been "Real" !

"especially when vaccines and better therapies are developed."

We have a "Flu" vaccine, yet up to 80,000 have still died in one year, just lately for that matter (no "Shock" value reported on it though).

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.25  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.6    5 months ago
Everyone wants to get the economy going and everything back to normal again.

Really?

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.26  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.24    5 months ago
SARS and MERS were "Real" too !

Those hit Asia more than here.

All (7) Versions have always been "Real" !

And now things have only become even more "real."

We have a "Flu" vaccine, yet up to 80,000 have still died in one year, just lately for that matter (no "Shock" value reported on it though).

We also have about 100 different strains of flu, of which the vaccine only protects against the 3 most common. But the flu is also a reality we face every year.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.27  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.25    5 months ago
Really?

Yes, really. I don't know anyone who doesn't.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.28  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.26    5 months ago
And now things have only become even more "real."

How does something get "More Real" than "Real" ? jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.29  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.27    5 months ago

Politico   reports  that, according to comments House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made during a two hour conference call with her caucus this week,  her  conditions for ending the shutdown have changed. She said that “Trump was putting Americans in grave danger if he rushes to reopen the economy at the end of this month.” The  Politico  story  said,   “Until a robust testing and contact tracing system is in place, [Pelosi believes] it would be impossible for the president to guarantee Americans a safe reentry into their normal life.

The Wall Street Journal’s  Kimberley Strassel  writes :

"By these standards, no lockdown may end until the Trump administration can “guarantee” a “safe” world in which people return to “normal.” The feds must stand up a testing system capable of hunting down and snuffing out each new infection. There can be no more outbreaks, and reopening cannot “significantly add” to existing counts (and the press reserves the authority to define “significantly.”) The unsaid corollary is that Mr. Trump will be held politically responsible for reopening in any way that fails to meet these baselines—on the hook for each subsequent death."

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/04/17/820436/



Your thoughts?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.30  XDm9mm  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.29    5 months ago

If they refuse to do what they were hired to do, President Trump should exercise his ultimate authority until such time as they do....  without pay of course!!\

The Adjournment Clause says that the president “may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper.”  
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.31  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.30    5 months ago

I wonder what the American people think of the US Senate fully functioning with confirmation hearings, etc and the House completely closed down?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.32  XDm9mm  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.31    5 months ago
I wonder what the American people think of the US Senate fully functioning with confirmation hearings, etc and the House completely closed down?

Some will of course piss and moan about it, even though one has nothing to do with the appointment process.  Hell, they want to impeach any and all Trump appointments anyway, so what's the difference?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.33  Vic Eldred  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.32    5 months ago
even though one has nothing to do with the appointment process.

Ya, but that one has a lot to do with spending and we are looking to save small business - that would be part & parcel of House business.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.34  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.16    5 months ago

You fail to say how people being spread out through a whole store instead of concentrated in the grocery and pharmacy section only increases any risk especially when they are all paid for at the same check out.  Fortunately here in California when I go to Walmart I can buy anything in the store.  

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.35  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.17    5 months ago

There was a study that suggests it may well have begun mutating in a similar manner as prior ones that haven’t reappeared.  One can only hope so. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.36  seeder  MAGA  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.28    5 months ago

It all has to do with logic and reason!!!

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.37  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.29    5 months ago

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MAGA
3.1.38  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @3.1.37    5 months ago

Is Nancy Pelosi on someone’s pedestal where criticism of her comparable to what can be said here about Trump is not allowed?  

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.39  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.29    5 months ago

Tyrants Gone Wild – Ben Garrison Cartoon

Posted by:    Ben Garrison    in   Political Cartoons      May 4, 2020   1 Comment

virus_tyrants.jpg  

The coronavirus gave many of the so-called leaders in this country an opportunity to reveal their true selves. Many may have suspected before, but now all doubt has been removed: They’re vicious tyrants.

Across the country, many mayors, governors, and congressional leaders have demonstrated just what control freaks they really are. Gavin Newsom, head tyrant of California, has closed all beaches. No, you can’t enjoy the waves, salt air, and sunlight—all virus destroyers—because he said so. He’s going to tell all Californians what they can and cannot do. Shut up and obey!

Michigan’s governor Gretchen Whitmer is a real piece of work. She denounced those who protested the lockdown as ‘racist.’ She made sure every Walmart store taped off their gardening sections because she considers them ’ non-essential.’ She gets to decide what you can and cannot buy.

New York City Mayor Bill De Blasio is having a field day. He wants his city locked down until at least July. Probably after July 4th so Americans can’t get together and celebrate Independence Day. The mayor crossed the line by threatening Jews who were holding prayer meetings and funerals. He instructed the police to ‘round them up!’

Many sheriffs and policemen have been behaving disgracefully. I saw a video in which the local sheriff and his deputy threatened a mother because her child went next door to play with a neighbor child. Oh no, can’t have that kind of freedom! The sheriff could have ignored it enforcing such an unconstitutional directive, but no…they love arresting, fining, and yelling at the sheeple. They are in tyrant heaven.

The worst tyrant of them all is the sociopath Bill Gates. His 100 billion dollar fortune has enabled him to greatly influence the medical field in a global manner, even though Bill is not trained in medicine. He doesn’t have a medical degree or even a college degree. He does have experience in dirty dealing. He was a ruthless businessman who shafted other programmers as he cobbled together a buggy and virus-riddled windows operating system. Now that squeaky-voiced geek…that nerd…that unelected ‘authority’ … that  TYRANT   …wants to control us all through a vile vaccine with built-in tracking technology. If you don’t take his shot, you won’t be able to travel or work. We must not let Kill Bill have his way.

A horrific and dystopian future awaits us all if we don’t start pushing back against the tyrants. We don’t need their permission to be human beings.

—Ben Garrison      https://www.gopusa.com/coronavirus-pandemic-trump-derangement-syndrome-bad-math/

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.40  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @3.1.39    5 months ago

My thoughts as well Vic!  

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.41  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.33    5 months ago
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.42  Vic Eldred  replied to  MAGA @3.1.39    5 months ago

The case in Dallas, Texas takes the cake!  The judge who demanded a woman trying to feed her family admit to selfishness or go to jail!  She refused!

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.43  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.28    5 months ago

Because now we're in a crisis and dealing with the virus. And we've seen how much harm it has caused in a relatively short time.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.44  It Is ME  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.43    5 months ago
Because now we're in a crisis and dealing with the virus.

"NEW" makes for Bucks !

"Influenza" and it's complications, even with a so-called "Vaccine", is a "Death Crises" Every Year !

Why is this "Different" from all the other decades of "Virus Death" ? 

The "Deaths" in this country that have occurred from this Virus,  won't fill (1) one large football stadium......Just ONE

What's the big deal ?

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.45  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.42    5 months ago

And in Laredo the local government went after two Hispanic women who were using the internet to set up providing beauty related services from their own homes for upto 180 days and the governor protected them too.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.46  Vic Eldred  replied to  MAGA @3.1.45    5 months ago

Disgraceful!

BTW, Laredo is on my bucket list!

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.47  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.46    5 months ago

Thank goodness the Governor covered them too.  The disgusting thing there were the snitches.  It would be great if we could see them get exposed like what happened in Missouri. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.48  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.44    5 months ago
Why is this "Different" from all the other decades of "Virus Death" ? 

Because it's another virus to deal with, one currently without a vaccine, and one which is easily spread, and infecting and killing more people over a shorter timespan than other viruses like the flu.

What's the big deal ?

So nearly 80,000 deaths in this  country alone over a span of a couple months is "no big deal" to you? That's more than the flu has killed over the course of a year.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.49  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.34    5 months ago
You fail to say how people being spread out through a whole store instead of concentrated in the grocery and pharmacy section only increases any risk especially when they are all paid for at the same check out.

How people spread themselves out is up to them. Not to mention the use of PPE. Many stores have been proactive in limiting the risk by allowing only a certain number of customers in at a time and measuring minimum distance to stand at checkouts.

There was a study that suggests it may well have begun mutating in a similar manner as prior ones that haven’t reappeared.  One can only hope so. 

What study? And that's not necessarily a good thing. While viruses mutate (evolution is funny like that), some can either mutate into a more or less virulent form or into a similar form that doesn't affect virulence, but only different enough to make existing vaccines less or ineffective or require another full immune response to deal with.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.50  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.29    5 months ago
Your thoughts?

My first thought is you're using conservatively biased sources and opinion pieces, which does not help credibility. My second thought is, while Pelosi is just another politician who seems more interested in political battles rather than actually doing something politicians are supposed to do, she is also not entirely wrong in her concerns regarding reopening. But I get the impression both political sides want an "all-or none" approach to reopening.  

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.51  katrix  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.31    5 months ago

Maybe those people understand that the House and Senate have different purposes .. as McConnell himself pointed out when discussing this topic. 

 
 
 
MAGA
5  seeder  MAGA    5 months ago

President Trump is a great American.  He’s led us through this Chinese originating pandemic relying on facts and data and now he’s going to restore our economy to what it was before the virus from China arrived here.  It was very uplifting to see our President bring Americans together at the feet of President Lincoln.  

 
 
 
MAGA
6  seeder  MAGA    5 months ago

 
 
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