Flat Earth vs. Round Earth

  
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Flat Earth vs. Round Earth
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They believe this stuff.   The leader of the group, Mark Sargent, claims that the Earth is flat and the stars and planets are just lights in the sky.   He holds that the flat Earth means that there is a greater force than us.   Apparently the views are religious.

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TᵢG
1  seeder  TᵢG    5 months ago

This short video is fascinating in that it shows that our minds are quite capable of believing almost anything and have a remarkable ability to sustain a belief we desire to remain true.

Note the scientific experiment in the video and the lame denial ("it is heat") by the flat Earthers who simply will not accept reality.

 
 
 
Freefaller
1.1  Freefaller  replied to  TᵢG @1    5 months ago

We humans do have a long proven history of being able to convince ourselves of some pretty weird stuff.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @1.1    5 months ago

Self delusion can be quite powerful. 

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.1    5 months ago

Been trying to figure out the concept of religion since I was a kid. Gave up on it.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2  dave-2693993    5 months ago

Did photoshop actually exist in 1969?

Thank goodness for the ice wall.

 
 
 
epistte
2.1  epistte  replied to  dave-2693993 @2    5 months ago
Thank goodness for the ice wall.

Cats would have knocked everything off the edge of it didn't exist. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.1.1  dave-2693993  replied to  epistte @2.1    5 months ago

That is too funny.

Until my daughter got a couple cats, I wouldn't have understood.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.1    5 months ago

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cjcold
2.1.3  cjcold  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    5 months ago

I swear I saw it move.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @2.1.3    5 months ago

Cats are stubborn when they have their minds set on something.  Not even being made of concrete can deter them.

 
 
 
epistte
2.1.5  epistte  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.1    5 months ago
That is too funny. Until my daughter got a couple cats, I wouldn't have understood.

My cat likes to sleep in a bookcase and has started to push books off the shelf so he has more room to stretch out as the afternoon sun illuminates the bookcase. 

 If he manages to get into my bedroom at night, he pushes books, pens and other items of off a bedside table so I am forced to pay more attention to him. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.1.6  dave-2693993  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    5 months ago

Those are good pictures.

Sad, one of her cats died not long after the hurricane last year. The mischievous one. Probably got in to something she shouldn't have.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
2.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.6    5 months ago

They're not mine.  It's just from a meme I saw on Facebook and thought was funny.

I'm sorry about your daughter's cat.  They do have a tendency to follow their curiosity into trouble.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  dave-2693993 @2    5 months ago

I hope these people don't believe in global warming (disk warming?)  because when that ice wall melts we're all in trouble.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
2.2.1  dave-2693993  replied to  SteevieGee @2.2    5 months ago
I hope these people don't believe in global warming (disk warming?)  because when that ice wall melts we're all in trouble.

OMG, it will be the end flat earth as we know it.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.2  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @2.2    5 months ago

I think I saw that GoT episode.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    5 months ago

Watched the whole video. 

While there is some satisfaction in seeing science prevail (through the stripe test), on the whole I thought the video took all this far too seriously. 

The reporter kept trying to suggest flat earth belief could take us back to a dark age. I'm sorry, crank theories and hoaxes and conspiracies never last, and this one is no threat either. 

As for the "leader" of the flat earthers , Mark Sargent. He is either in it to be a cult leader, or he is in it for money, and the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. 

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 months ago

What kind of fool doesn't know that we live on an ovoid?

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 months ago

What strikes me about the video is the apparent genuine belief of the flat Earthers and the mental gyrations they will engage in to cling to the belief.

The stripe test (as you mentioned) rather conclusively illustrated the Earth is not flat yet the flat Earthers denied what they just witnessed ... dismissing it as "heat".   This is a remarkable level of belief perseverance (the inverse of confirmation bias).

Flat earthers are a great example of how capable the human mind is at harboring an irrational belief because it is so easy to see that what they believe is not only wrong, but absolutely demonstrably wrong.   Yet nothing, apparently, will convince them they are wrong.   

The problem is that this failure in rational thought is not limited to flat Earthers.   The planet is replete with human beings holding seemingly unassailable irrational beliefs.  Clearly one of the biggest challenges of the 21st century thus far comes from irrational acts of terror.  Although flat Earthers are harmless (humorous even), harmful beliefs that lack a governing agent of rational thought are also quite real.   That might be what the reporter was referring to when she viewed this kind of reasoning as a threat.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.2    5 months ago

There has always been irrational thinking. 

I really don't take flat earthers seriously. I hope they don't end up like those Heaven's Gate people.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    5 months ago
There has always been irrational thinking. 

Certainly, we all routinely engage in irrational thinking.   It is difficult to fully suppress our emotions.   This, however, illustrates that there may be no limits on how extreme our irrational thinking can get.    Heaven's Gate and other cults are also excellent examples of this phenomenon.

I really don't take flat earthers seriously.

Do you think they are mostly just playing a game and not actually believing this nonsense or are you saying that you dismiss them as irrelevant?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @3.2    5 months ago

I was unable to open the YouTube, but no matter.  It's interesting that I just used an expression about "flat Earth" a day or so ago in a dialogue with a member who was genuinely incapable of comprehending some truths when I provided links to absolute proof in an attempt to correct his wrong thinking. When I eventually gave up I told him not to be too concerned about it, and used the expression: "Some people believe the Earth is flat."

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @3.2    5 months ago
apparent genuine belief
 
 
 
TᵢG
3.2.5  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.4    5 months ago

Yes it is difficult to imagine that people genuinely believe this nonsense but then how do we explain so many who support this idea?    These people hold conventions.   The leaders might be doing this for cult power but the followers do not seem to get any benefit by holding to such a belief.    Quite the opposite.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.5    5 months ago
These people hold conventions.

As Deepthroat put it, follow the money ...

 
 
 
Ender
3.2.7  Ender  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.3    5 months ago

It is interesting what some believe as genuine truth...

Also odd that some cannot see the faults in their own views...

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.8  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    5 months ago

Here's to hoping they aren't taking themselves seriously and are just having fun.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.2.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @3.2.8    5 months ago

I really believe they're sincere in their views, which is both scary and sad.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.2.10  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    5 months ago

Darwin would figure that they would end up just like the HG folk.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
3.3  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 months ago

It was pretty obvious how they pulled off the stripe test. They were just slowly submerging the target as they got farther away. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.3.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    5 months ago

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SteevieGee
3.3.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    5 months ago

Everybody knows that the surface of Salton Sea is shaped like a cup.  Duh.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    5 months ago

Huh?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @3.3.3    5 months ago

He's joking.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.3.5  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @3.3.2    5 months ago
Everybody knows

Ya gotta love Leonard Cohen!

 
 
 
luther28
4  luther28    5 months ago

Flat Earth vs. Round Earth

Well perhaps it was, 6,000 years or so ago, when we were mingling with the dinosaurs.

Sorry for the sarcasm but this is just one of those notions that is, well ridiculous. I have immunity against whatever these folks may suffer from, I read.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1  livefreeordie  replied to  luther28 @4    5 months ago

It’s a myth that Christianity believed in a “flat earth”

First of all the Bible says just the opposite (Isaiah 40:22 as an example)

Secondly and most critically, this myth was invented in the late 19th century by critics of Christianity in an attempt to dismiss religious belief

https://www.theologie-naturwissenschaften.de/startseite/leitartikelarchiv/flat-earth-myth.html

https://www.summit.org/resources/articles/debunking-the-flat-earth-myth/

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 months ago

I do not see where Luther made that claim.

 
 
 
Freefaller
4.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 months ago

LFOD way to defend your religion and yourself against a claim that wasn't made.  Feeling a little defensive today?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 months ago
It’s a myth that Christianity believed in a “flat earth”

Can "Christianity" believe anything? I didn't know "Christianity" had a brain. Some Christians, on the other hand, have in fact claimed both belief in a flat earth and Christianity.

"a new YouGov study reveals that 2% of Americans resolutely say the earth is flat." and "Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious".

https://today.yougov.com/topics/philosophy/articles-reports/2018/04/02/most-flat-earthers-consider-themselves-religious

The study also shows that the majority of those who believe the earth is flat earn under $40k a year. So in the US, low income religious believers are most likely to be flat earthers.

 
 
 
epistte
4.1.4  epistte  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    5 months ago
a new YouGov study reveals that 2% of Americans resolutely say the earth is flat." and "Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious".

There is the problem distilled to its essence. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 months ago

That's ok. Christians belive in other ludicrous myths too. That's why they or their claims may be dismissed just as easily.

 
 
 
luther28
4.1.7  luther28  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.1    5 months ago

Thank you, I did not recollect having made it, but I am getting older and a tad forgetful:)

 
 
 
luther28
4.1.8  luther28  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 months ago

Though I never made that claim;

Why would one myth supersede another?

Religion (other than the suppression of scientific thought at the time) had little to do with the flat earth theory, it was the ignorance of the times which can be excused I suppose. But in this day and age there is no excuse for ignorance other than the nearest mirror.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1.9  r.t..b...  replied to  luther28 @4.1.8    5 months ago
there is no excuse for ignorance other than the nearest mirror.

That works on sooo many levels. Well said.

      "The world is a looking glass and gives back to every man the reflection of his own face." 

           ~ William Makepeace Thackeray

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.10  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.5    5 months ago

Once one believes in the original lie..........................

 
 
 
Freefaller
5  Freefaller    5 months ago
The leader of the group, Mark Sargent, claims that the Earth is flat

Obviously wrong, everyone knows the earth is shaped like a bundt cake mold.

 
 
 
epistte
5.1  epistte  replied to  Freefaller @5    5 months ago

Do we live on a Toroid-shaped planet?  

Can someone please explain how gravity works on a flat planet. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
5.1.1  Freefaller  replied to  epistte @5.1    5 months ago
Do we live on a Toroid-shaped planet?

Lol kind of but with a bump in the middle

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.1    5 months ago

Is there raspberry preserves in the middle?

 
 
 
epistte
5.1.3  epistte  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    5 months ago
Is there raspberry preserves in the middle?

Cream cheese frosting too? That is the best part of carrot cake. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
5.1.4  Freefaller  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    5 months ago
Is there raspberry preserves in the middle?

Absolutely, you'll hear those science types claim it's something called lava (as if rock can melt) but it's really just very hot raspberry preserves.:P

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  epistte @5.1    5 months ago
Can someone please explain how gravity works on a flat planet. 

Flat earth gravity is a manmade invisible force generated by the LHC and contained by the giant glass dome that's been placed overhead. The air pressure pushes straight down but doesn't effect the satellites over head since they are placed outside the dome by the "deep State" and they get moved like windshield wipers across the giant glass dome instead of orbiting the earth... /s (just incase someone thought I was serious...)

I can't view YouTube from work but I think this is the video where they seriously claim we live under a dome...

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
5.1.6  Phoenyx13  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.4    5 months ago
Absolutely, you'll hear those science types claim it's something called lava (as if rock can melt) but it's really just very hot raspberry preserves.:P

WHAT ?! i was told there was a secret toy surprise in the middle, like they have in certain cereal boxes (or did). There's no secret toy surprise ?!?!

 
 
 
Freefaller
5.1.7  Freefaller  replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.1.6    5 months ago

Lol, nope just raspberry preserves with occasional deposits of English muffins

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.5    5 months ago

That was not the video I meant to post :( I meant to post the Mark Sargent clip of under the dome but now I can only find his 2 hr documentary so I won't bother linking such garbage here.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  epistte @5.1.3    5 months ago
Cream cheese frosting too?

A planet made of cream cheese frosting might convince me that there is a god, after all.

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1.10  cjcold  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.9    5 months ago

With a red cake center? That would beat a molten core all to hell.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.11  r.t..b...  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.5    5 months ago
Gleason AE Map With Dome Glass

'There is no spoon.'

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @5.1.10    5 months ago
With a red cake center? That would beat a molten core all to hell.

Yes!

 
 
 
epistte
5.1.13  epistte  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.5    5 months ago

The idea that they believe that we live in a glorified snow globe is both funny and depressing.

 
 
 
Kavika
6  Kavika     5 months ago

I've yet been able to find a recorded case where anyone fell off the edge of the earth...

 
 
 
luther28
6.1  luther28  replied to  Kavika @6    5 months ago

If they continue to promote this tripe, I just might be your first case:)

 
 
 
cjcold
6.2  cjcold  replied to  Kavika @6    5 months ago

That's because they don't come back. Duh!

 
 
 
Kavika
6.2.1  Kavika   replied to  cjcold @6.2    5 months ago
That's because they don't come back. Duh!

Or because the earth isn't flat...Duh!.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Kavika @6    5 months ago

Note that these nutcases will create their own rockets to prove the Earth is flat via a photograph yet they never go to Antarctica to find and photograph an edge of the planet.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @6.3    5 months ago

Wouldn't a picture from an airplane suffice?  Rocket man never got nearly as high as a routine commercial flight.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.3.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.1    5 months ago

These people are irrational.   There is no reaching them with facts or logic.

 
 
 
epistte
6.3.3  epistte  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.2    5 months ago
These people are irrational.   There is no reaching them with facts or logic.

I was informed by a devoutly religious member of this forum the other day that my obsession with logic is an impediment to their religious belief. They will not have a discussion with me in the future until I change my godless ways. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.3.4  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  epistte @6.3.3    5 months ago

Reminds me of this ...

Yes critical thinking does seem to get in the way of religious belief.

 
 
 
epistte
6.3.5  epistte  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.4    5 months ago

I will bake a lof of banana nut bread in his honor, as that appears to be Kirk Cameron.

 If they couldn't cite the argument from ignorance and the concept of God of the gaps, their arguments would also disappear. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.3.6  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.4    5 months ago

And vice versa.

 
 
 
Gordy327
6.3.7  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @6.3.3    5 months ago

That is still hilarious .

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.3.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  epistte @6.3.3    5 months ago

Can you PM me a link to that conversation?

 
 
 
epistte
6.3.9  epistte  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.8    5 months ago

Of course.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.3.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  epistte @6.3.9    5 months ago

Thanks!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
7  SteevieGee    5 months ago

So...  If the Earth is flat what's on the other side?

 
 
 
luther28
7.1  luther28  replied to  SteevieGee @7    5 months ago

Roots:)

 
 
 
cjcold
7.2  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @7    5 months ago

Aye mate ave ya seen my Koala? Seems e's on a walkabout with penguins.

 
 
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