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Flat Earth vs. Round Earth

  
Via:  TᵢG  •  5 years ago  •  79 comments


Flat Earth vs. Round Earth
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They believe this stuff.   The leader of the group, Mark Sargent, claims that the Earth is flat and the stars and planets are just lights in the sky.   He holds that the flat Earth means that there is a greater force than us.   Apparently the views are religious.


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TᵢG
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1  seeder  TᵢG    5 years ago

This short video is fascinating in that it shows that our minds are quite capable of believing almost anything and have a remarkable ability to sustain a belief we desire to remain true.

Note the scientific experiment in the video and the lame denial ("it is heat") by the flat Earthers who simply will not accept reality.

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
1.1  Freefaller  replied to  TᵢG @1    5 years ago

We humans do have a long proven history of being able to convince ourselves of some pretty weird stuff.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
1.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @1.1    5 years ago

Self delusion can be quite powerful. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
1.1.2  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.1    5 years ago

Been trying to figure out the concept of religion since I was a kid. Gave up on it.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
2  dave-2693993    5 years ago

Did photoshop actually exist in 1969?

Thank goodness for the ice wall.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
2.1  epistte  replied to  dave-2693993 @2    5 years ago
Thank goodness for the ice wall.

Cats would have knocked everything off the edge of it didn't exist. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
2.1.1  dave-2693993  replied to  epistte @2.1    5 years ago

That is too funny.

Until my daughter got a couple cats, I wouldn't have understood.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.1    5 years ago

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cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1.3  cjcold  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    5 years ago

I swear I saw it move.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @2.1.3    5 years ago

Cats are stubborn when they have their minds set on something.  Not even being made of concrete can deter them.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
2.1.5  epistte  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.1    5 years ago
That is too funny. Until my daughter got a couple cats, I wouldn't have understood.

My cat likes to sleep in a bookcase and has started to push books off the shelf so he has more room to stretch out as the afternoon sun illuminates the bookcase. 

 If he manages to get into my bedroom at night, he pushes books, pens and other items of off a bedside table so I am forced to pay more attention to him. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
2.1.6  dave-2693993  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.2    5 years ago

Those are good pictures.

Sad, one of her cats died not long after the hurricane last year. The mischievous one. Probably got in to something she shouldn't have.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  dave-2693993 @2.1.6    5 years ago

They're not mine.  It's just from a meme I saw on Facebook and thought was funny.

I'm sorry about your daughter's cat.  They do have a tendency to follow their curiosity into trouble.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
2.2  SteevieGee  replied to  dave-2693993 @2    5 years ago

I hope these people don't believe in global warming (disk warming?)  because when that ice wall melts we're all in trouble.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
Junior Quiet
2.2.1  dave-2693993  replied to  SteevieGee @2.2    5 years ago
I hope these people don't believe in global warming (disk warming?)  because when that ice wall melts we're all in trouble.

OMG, it will be the end flat earth as we know it.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.2.2  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @2.2    5 years ago

I think I saw that GoT episode.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Watched the whole video. 

While there is some satisfaction in seeing science prevail (through the stripe test), on the whole I thought the video took all this far too seriously. 

The reporter kept trying to suggest flat earth belief could take us back to a dark age. I'm sorry, crank theories and hoaxes and conspiracies never last, and this one is no threat either. 

As for the "leader" of the flat earthers , Mark Sargent. He is either in it to be a cult leader, or he is in it for money, and the two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. 

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

What kind of fool doesn't know that we live on an ovoid?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

What strikes me about the video is the apparent genuine belief of the flat Earthers and the mental gyrations they will engage in to cling to the belief.

The stripe test (as you mentioned) rather conclusively illustrated the Earth is not flat yet the flat Earthers denied what they just witnessed ... dismissing it as "heat".   This is a remarkable level of belief perseverance (the inverse of confirmation bias).

Flat earthers are a great example of how capable the human mind is at harboring an irrational belief because it is so easy to see that what they believe is not only wrong, but absolutely demonstrably wrong.   Yet nothing, apparently, will convince them they are wrong.   

The problem is that this failure in rational thought is not limited to flat Earthers.   The planet is replete with human beings holding seemingly unassailable irrational beliefs.  Clearly one of the biggest challenges of the 21st century thus far comes from irrational acts of terror.  Although flat Earthers are harmless (humorous even), harmful beliefs that lack a governing agent of rational thought are also quite real.   That might be what the reporter was referring to when she viewed this kind of reasoning as a threat.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @3.2    5 years ago

There has always been irrational thinking. 

I really don't take flat earthers seriously. I hope they don't end up like those Heaven's Gate people.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    5 years ago
There has always been irrational thinking. 

Certainly, we all routinely engage in irrational thinking.   It is difficult to fully suppress our emotions.   This, however, illustrates that there may be no limits on how extreme our irrational thinking can get.    Heaven's Gate and other cults are also excellent examples of this phenomenon.

I really don't take flat earthers seriously.

Do you think they are mostly just playing a game and not actually believing this nonsense or are you saying that you dismiss them as irrelevant?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @3.2    5 years ago

I was unable to open the YouTube, but no matter.  It's interesting that I just used an expression about "flat Earth" a day or so ago in a dialogue with a member who was genuinely incapable of comprehending some truths when I provided links to absolute proof in an attempt to correct his wrong thinking. When I eventually gave up I told him not to be too concerned about it, and used the expression: "Some people believe the Earth is flat."

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @3.2    5 years ago
apparent genuine belief
 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.5  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.4    5 years ago

Yes it is difficult to imagine that people genuinely believe this nonsense but then how do we explain so many who support this idea?    These people hold conventions.   The leaders might be doing this for cult power but the followers do not seem to get any benefit by holding to such a belief.    Quite the opposite.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.5    5 years ago
These people hold conventions.

As Deepthroat put it, follow the money ...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.7  Ender  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.3    5 years ago

It is interesting what some believe as genuine truth...

Also odd that some cannot see the faults in their own views...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.2.8  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    5 years ago

Here's to hoping they aren't taking themselves seriously and are just having fun.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @3.2.8    5 years ago

I really believe they're sincere in their views, which is both scary and sad.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.2.10  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.1    5 years ago

Darwin would figure that they would end up just like the HG folk.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
Professor Guide
3.3  Drakkonis  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

It was pretty obvious how they pulled off the stripe test. They were just slowly submerging the target as they got farther away. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.3.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    5 years ago

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SteevieGee
Professor Silent
3.3.2  SteevieGee  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    5 years ago

Everybody knows that the surface of Salton Sea is shaped like a cup.  Duh.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Drakkonis @3.3    5 years ago

Huh?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.3.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @3.3.3    5 years ago

He's joking.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.3.5  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @3.3.2    5 years ago
Everybody knows

Ya gotta love Leonard Cohen!

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
4  luther28    5 years ago

Flat Earth vs. Round Earth

Well perhaps it was, 6,000 years or so ago, when we were mingling with the dinosaurs.

Sorry for the sarcasm but this is just one of those notions that is, well ridiculous. I have immunity against whatever these folks may suffer from, I read.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
4.1  livefreeordie  replied to  luther28 @4    5 years ago

It’s a myth that Christianity believed in a “flat earth”

First of all the Bible says just the opposite (Isaiah 40:22 as an example)

Secondly and most critically, this myth was invented in the late 19th century by critics of Christianity in an attempt to dismiss religious belief

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.1.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 years ago

I do not see where Luther made that claim.

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
4.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 years ago

LFOD way to defend your religion and yourself against a claim that wasn't made.  Feeling a little defensive today?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 years ago
It’s a myth that Christianity believed in a “flat earth”

Can "Christianity" believe anything? I didn't know "Christianity" had a brain. Some Christians, on the other hand, have in fact claimed both belief in a flat earth and Christianity.

"a new YouGov study reveals that 2% of Americans resolutely say the earth is flat." and "Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious".

The study also shows that the majority of those who believe the earth is flat earn under $40k a year. So in the US, low income religious believers are most likely to be flat earthers.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
4.1.4  epistte  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.3    5 years ago
a new YouGov study reveals that 2% of Americans resolutely say the earth is flat." and "Most flat earthers consider themselves very religious".

There is the problem distilled to its essence. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
4.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 years ago

That's ok. Christians belive in other ludicrous myths too. That's why they or their claims may be dismissed just as easily.

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
4.1.7  luther28  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.1    5 years ago

Thank you, I did not recollect having made it, but I am getting older and a tad forgetful:)

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
4.1.8  luther28  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    5 years ago

Though I never made that claim;

Why would one myth supersede another?

Religion (other than the suppression of scientific thought at the time) had little to do with the flat earth theory, it was the ignorance of the times which can be excused I suppose. But in this day and age there is no excuse for ignorance other than the nearest mirror.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
4.1.10  cjcold  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.5    5 years ago

Once one believes in the original lie..........................

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5  Freefaller    5 years ago
The leader of the group, Mark Sargent, claims that the Earth is flat

Obviously wrong, everyone knows the earth is shaped like a bundt cake mold.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
5.1  epistte  replied to  Freefaller @5    5 years ago

Do we live on a Toroid-shaped planet?  

Can someone please explain how gravity works on a flat planet. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.1  Freefaller  replied to  epistte @5.1    5 years ago
Do we live on a Toroid-shaped planet?

Lol kind of but with a bump in the middle

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.1    5 years ago

Is there raspberry preserves in the middle?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
5.1.3  epistte  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    5 years ago
Is there raspberry preserves in the middle?

Cream cheese frosting too? That is the best part of carrot cake. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.4  Freefaller  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.2    5 years ago
Is there raspberry preserves in the middle?

Absolutely, you'll hear those science types claim it's something called lava (as if rock can melt) but it's really just very hot raspberry preserves.:P

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  epistte @5.1    5 years ago
Can someone please explain how gravity works on a flat planet. 

Flat earth gravity is a manmade invisible force generated by the LHC and contained by the giant glass dome that's been placed overhead. The air pressure pushes straight down but doesn't effect the satellites over head since they are placed outside the dome by the "deep State" and they get moved like windshield wipers across the giant glass dome instead of orbiting the earth... /s (just incase someone thought I was serious...)

I can't view YouTube from work but I think this is the video where they seriously claim we live under a dome...

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Silent
5.1.6  Phoenyx13  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.4    5 years ago
Absolutely, you'll hear those science types claim it's something called lava (as if rock can melt) but it's really just very hot raspberry preserves.:P

WHAT ?! i was told there was a secret toy surprise in the middle, like they have in certain cereal boxes (or did). There's no secret toy surprise ?!?!

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.7  Freefaller  replied to  Phoenyx13 @5.1.6    5 years ago

Lol, nope just raspberry preserves with occasional deposits of English muffins

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
5.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.5    5 years ago

That was not the video I meant to post :( I meant to post the Mark Sargent clip of under the dome but now I can only find his 2 hr documentary so I won't bother linking such garbage here.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
5.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  epistte @5.1.3    5 years ago
Cream cheese frosting too?

A planet made of cream cheese frosting might convince me that there is a god, after all.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1.10  cjcold  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.9    5 years ago

With a red cake center? That would beat a molten core all to hell.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
5.1.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  cjcold @5.1.10    5 years ago
With a red cake center? That would beat a molten core all to hell.

Yes!

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
5.1.13  epistte  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.5    5 years ago

The idea that they believe that we live in a glorified snow globe is both funny and depressing.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6  Kavika     5 years ago

I've yet been able to find a recorded case where anyone fell off the edge of the earth...

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
6.1  luther28  replied to  Kavika @6    5 years ago

If they continue to promote this tripe, I just might be your first case:)

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
6.2  cjcold  replied to  Kavika @6    5 years ago

That's because they don't come back. Duh!

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Kavika   replied to  cjcold @6.2    5 years ago
That's because they don't come back. Duh!

Or because the earth isn't flat...Duh!.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Kavika @6    5 years ago

Note that these nutcases will create their own rockets to prove the Earth is flat via a photograph yet they never go to Antarctica to find and photograph an edge of the planet.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.3.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @6.3    5 years ago

Wouldn't a picture from an airplane suffice?  Rocket man never got nearly as high as a routine commercial flight.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.3.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.1    5 years ago

These people are irrational.   There is no reaching them with facts or logic.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
6.3.3  epistte  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.2    5 years ago
These people are irrational.   There is no reaching them with facts or logic.

I was informed by a devoutly religious member of this forum the other day that my obsession with logic is an impediment to their religious belief. They will not have a discussion with me in the future until I change my godless ways. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
6.3.4  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  epistte @6.3.3    5 years ago

Reminds me of this ...

Yes critical thinking does seem to get in the way of religious belief.

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
6.3.5  epistte  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.4    5 years ago

I will bake a lof of banana nut bread in his honor, as that appears to be Kirk Cameron.

 If they couldn't cite the argument from ignorance and the concept of God of the gaps, their arguments would also disappear. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
6.3.6  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @6.3.4    5 years ago

And vice versa.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
6.3.7  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @6.3.3    5 years ago

That is still hilarious .

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.3.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  epistte @6.3.3    5 years ago

Can you PM me a link to that conversation?

 
 
 
epistte
Junior Guide
6.3.9  epistte  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.3.8    5 years ago

Of course.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
6.3.10  sandy-2021492  replied to  epistte @6.3.9    5 years ago

Thanks!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
Professor Silent
7  SteevieGee    5 years ago

So...  If the Earth is flat what's on the other side?

 
 
 
luther28
Sophomore Silent
7.1  luther28  replied to  SteevieGee @7    5 years ago

Roots:)

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
7.2  cjcold  replied to  SteevieGee @7    5 years ago

Aye mate ave ya seen my Koala? Seems e's on a walkabout with penguins.

 
 

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