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Nancy Pelosi's Second Stimulus Bill Speech Ridiculed for Calling $600 'Significant'

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  4 years ago  •  81 comments

By:   Matthew Impelli (MSN)

Nancy Pelosi's Second Stimulus Bill Speech Ridiculed for Calling $600 'Significant'
Democrats were pushing for $1,200 direct payments in the new legislation but met resistance from Republicans, the House speaker said.

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Nancy Pelosi's Second Stimulus Bill Speech Ridiculed for Calling $600 'Significant'

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday faced criticism after saying that the $600 direct payments included in a new economic relief package are "significant."

During a lengthy speech on the House floor, Pelosi said that Democrats were pushing for $1,200 direct payments, the amount paid out under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security (CARES) Act, but they faced resistance from Republicans.

"We also have in the legislation direct payments, which were not in the Republican bill, to America's working families," Pelosi said during the speech. "I would like them to have been bigger, but they are significant and they will be going out soon."

Pelosi's comments came after legislators agreed on a $900 billion relief package on Sunday. But social media users quickly criticized her for calling $600 payments significant.

"You are wrong @SpeakerPelosi - The payment checks are NOT significant. I think you know that," Twitter user Annie wrote. "Madam Speaker tell us how people should spend this $600 - to feed their family? To pay rent? To heat their homes? To pay for medications? Tell us how long this money has to last."


You are wrong @SpeakerPelosi - The payment checks are NOT significant. I think you know that.
Madam Speaker tell us how people should spend this $600. - to feed their family? To pay rent? To heat their homes? To pay for medications? Tell us how long this money has to last. https://t.co/W4649rfOw8
— Annie (@fccmal) December 21, 2020

Mehdi Hasan, a political analyst for MSNBC News, wrote, "These may be her most tone-deaf remarks since she joked about her luxury freezer full of gourmet ice cream on a late night comedy show."


These may be her most tone-deaf remarks since she joked about her luxury freezer full of gourmet ice cream on a late night comedy show https://t.co/EfU1OsYeJd
— Mehdi Hasan (@mehdirhasan) December 21, 2020

"Dear @SpeakerPelosi: NO, they are not. You should feel ashamed for this statement," Twitter user Fateful Anime wrote.

"$600 wasn't enough nine months ago, and it isn't enough now. People are still starving and facing eviction, and six hundred measly dollars is not enough to sustain them," she continued. "Try harder."

Other social media users compared Pelosi to French queen Marie Antoinette, who supposedly said "Let them eat cake" after hearing her people were suffering from starvation.

"With a bunch of 'let them eat cakes' moments over the course of the pandemic, culminating with this abhorrent excuse for only giving working class people $600 as a stimulus check, Nancy Pelosi is all but guaranteeing a speaker vote floor fight," Twitter user Michael Latin wrote.


With a bunch of "let them eat cakes" moments over the course of the pandemic, culminating with this abhorrent excuse for only giving working class people $600 as a stimulus check, Nancy Pelosi is all but guaranteeing a speaker vote floor fight. https://t.co/hGH1ugZJjF
— Michael Latin (@michaellatin) December 21, 2020

Socialist Gardener tweeted, "Nancy Pelosi is a Marie Antoinette democrat. #LetThemEatCake."


Nancy Pelosi is a Marie Antoinette democrat. #LetThemEatCake https://t.co/iYzDH7Hw0L
— socialist gardener (@PSW_66) December 21, 2020

"$600 does not cover the median rent in any of the 50 states. 'Let them eat cake...'," Twitter user James Thomas wrote.

And Twitter user Sara wrote, "A modern day version of 'let them eat cake'."

Newsweek reached out to Pelosi's office for comment but did not receive a response in time for publication.


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    4 years ago

Cake anyone? How about popcorn and Ramen?

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    4 years ago

Interesting. 

An entire seed to nit pick and parse one word. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Dulay @1.1    4 years ago
Interesting. 

Indeed:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday faced criticism after saying that the $600 direct payments included in a new economic relief package are "significant."

Pelosi's comments came after legislators agreed on a $900 billion relief package on Sunday.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @1.1.1    4 years ago

people are ridiculing her because if what she stated now and, in contrast. what she stated about Trump's tax cuts 

Post 3 sums it up nicely

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 years ago
people are ridiculing her because if what she stated now

Whoa-- wait a minute. Aren't the majority of Republicans opposed to the $2000 payment?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @1.1.3    4 years ago

Whoa---wait a minute.

WTF does what any Republican says or thinks have to do with what people are criticizing your Golden Girl about?

Deflect much?

(Rhetorical)

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.2  Krishna  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    4 years ago
Cake anyone? How about popcorn and Ramen?

Jim, when someone comments on any given political issue, its usually to support one side or the other. But reading this seed and your comments, its not clear which position you support.

Which one do you think is better? The "insignificant" payment of $600, or do you in fact feel the $2000 option is the way to go?

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1stwarrior
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2  1stwarrior    4 years ago

800

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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3  1stwarrior    4 years ago

800

 
 
 
Tacos!
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4  Tacos!    4 years ago

This is the same lady who said $1000 tax bonus was “crumbs” just two years ago.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @4    4 years ago

Maybe the crazy lady thinks that $600 will go further today than $1000 went a few years ago?

Maybe it is that new math?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Nancy got the same wealthy universities that raised their tuitions a nice cutout:

"Most of the spending for schools is divvied up between the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Fund ($54.3 billion) and the Higher Education Emergency Relief Fund ($22.7 billion), programs that provide funding to states to distribute to schools according to local demands."



 As Nancy said "It's ok now we have a new president"




BTW, many will be happy to know that a healthy 38 year old AOC just got her vaccine.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 years ago
BTW, many will be happy to know that a healthy 38 year old AOC just got her vaccine.

Is she living rent free in your head?

Is she or the vaccine on topic?

I guess some of us can be grateful she makes too much money to receive that poor little $600, right?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    4 years ago
Is she living rent free in your head?

You may need to check your own mind. Such concern over Das Space Shot!


Is she or the vaccine on topic?

The vaccine and on that matter, I agree with Ilhan Omar:

"As members of Congress began to receive doses, Omar said on Twitter that it was "shameful" for lawmakers to be prioritized for the vaccine."

"We are not more important [than] frontline workers, teachers, etc. who are making sacrifices [every day]," Omar wrote. "Which is why I won’t take it. People who need it most, should get it."




Not to mention those the CDC kept telling us were most vulnerable and are now near the end of the line.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.1    4 years ago

Can't agree.

The seed isn't about AOC or the vaccine.

Or Omar...

In case you hadn't noticed, you are not the seeder.

Not to mention those the CDC kept telling us were most vulnerable and are now near the end of the line.

Well, while you continue to derail, you might as well be wrong too.

Striking a compromise between two high-risk population groups, a panel advising the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention voted Sunday to recommend that people age 75 and older be next in line to receive the coronavirus vaccine in the United States, along with about 30 million “frontline essential workers,” such as emergency responders, teachers and grocery store employees.

That doesn't put the most vulnerable at the end of any line.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.2    4 years ago
In case you hadn't noticed, you are not the seeder.

Funny, neither are you. Since the seeder seems to be letting comment stand.

Also, all the hand wringing from the left has not been forgotten when it was Trump and the White House staff that were at the front of the line. So much pearl clenching in fact that Trump moved himself and the first lady off the list. At Trump's age his is definitely in the "high risk" catagory.

As for AOC- young healthy and exceedingly stupid. So of course she needs to shot first.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.2    4 years ago
In case you hadn't noticed, you are not the seeder.

Neither are you. The author and only the author declares what is off topic. He may leave it as broad as he likes. Those are the rules and you should know them.


That doesn't put the most vulnerable at the end of any line.

So now the vulnerable are only those aged 75 and over? It was the fucking CDC that told us that people 65 and older were the most vulnerable:

"Phase 1c should include persons between the ages of 65 and 74, people between the ages of 16 and 64 who have high-risk underlying conditions and remaining essential workers, ACIP also recommended Sunday. That’s 129 million Americans, according to ACIP, or over one-third of the country."

"Dr. Henry Bernstein of Northwell Cohen Children’s Medical Center, who voted against Sunday’s recommendation, explained that he was in favor of including those 65 years of age and older."




THAT PUTS THE VULNERABLE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE LINE!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.4    4 years ago
Neither are you. The author and only the author declares what is off topic.

Wrong, but believe what you wish.

He may leave it as broad as he likes. Those are the rules and you should know them.

Yes he may and yes I do.  I just think it's funny what you do in someone else's seeds.

In case you haven't noticed, you have been critical of the mixed messages from the CDC, so why quibble now?

Just another soapbox to preach from?

It's still the Trump CDC, you know, the one that the WH loyalists muzzled and

censored and rewrote the CDC  website with lies and misinformation.

THAT PUTS THE VULNERABLE RIGHT AT THE END OF THE LINE!

In your opinion.

Of course the CDC has to come up with the rules and manage the unexplained shortages of the vaccine this week

and upcoming month and the reason they turned down 4 million additional dose from Pfizer recently which will

contribute to future shortages, so I expect the rules will keep being modified as to who gets a shot and when.

Seems like Warp speed has a speed limit called the supply line.

Thank goodness it's not your seed, it would have been locked before I could respond.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.3    4 years ago
Funny, neither are you. Since the seeder seems to be letting comment stand.

Or you, although I am not surprised the comment stands.  JJ is fair and probably sympathetic to the comment.

So much pearl clenching in fact that Trump moved himself and the first lady off the list. At Trump's age his is definitely in the "high risk" catagory.

They both also had it and are assumed to have a certain amount of immunity.

As for AOC- young healthy and exceedingly stupid. So of course she needs to shot first.

How would you protect the Congress?  Shots administered by age, looks, height, intelligence or ideology?

Rather than answer, why don't one of you seed an article?

It certainly seems controversial among Congress and has nothing to do with THIS seed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.5    4 years ago
Thank goodness it's not your seed, it would have been locked before I could respond.

That wouldn't matter would it?  You could go in after it was closed and ticket me for having made the last comment, which is an offense whenever the last comment happens to be mine.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.8  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.7    4 years ago

Only if your parting shots are COH violations! 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.8    4 years ago

But they haven't been. They are final thoughts on articles/seeds that haven't been properly responded to. You know how other things get talked about?  In those cases I do get to say that nobody touched the premise of the article.

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.1.10  Krishna  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    4 years ago
Is she living rent free in your head?

Yes.

A definite yes.

(Unless his comment is fake News????)

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 years ago
Nancy got the same wealthy universities that raised their tuitions a nice cutout

Here's 66 pages of Trade schools, Colleges and Universities that got that money:

Which ones in particular did 'Nancy' get a 'cutout' for Vic? 

As Nancy said "It's ok now we have a new president"

Truncating quotes out of context are a cowards way to try and make a point. 

BTW, many will be happy to know that a healthy 38 year old AOC just got her vaccine.

As will ALL members of Congress. Or at least those that aren't utter morons. 

Dr. Brian P. Monahan, Attending Physician to Congress: 

The Food and Drug Administration granted an Emergency Use Authorization to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID19
vaccine on December 12, 2020. I have been notified by the National Security Council that consistent with
Presidential Policy Directive 40 (2016), Congress and the Supreme Court, along with Executive Branch agencies, will
be provided with a specific number of COVID19 vaccine doses to meet long-standing requirements for continuity of
government operations. These requirements are focused on essential operations and personnel. PPD-40 establishes
continuity requirements for the Federal Government and states that continuity actions for the Executive Branch
should be undertaken in parallel with the Legislative and Judicial branches of government. The small number of
COVID19 vaccine doses we will be provided reflects a fraction of the first tranche of vaccines as it is distributed
throughout the country.

But ya, AOC, blah blah blah.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.2    4 years ago

Did you get to read the 5,000+ pages?

I think everyone forgot the President has a say in the matter.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    4 years ago
Did you get to read the 5,000+ pages?

No more than YOU did Vic. You cited the spending in a SPECIFIC section and made a false allegation about that spending. I provided you with evidence, from government documentation, that lists where the funding for those SPECIFIC programs. 

So your comment is merely a deflection to avoid acknowledging that you comment was bullshit. 

I think everyone forgot the President has a say in the matter.

That includes YOU since your #5 comment fails to mention Trump. 

Trump had MONTHS to present a proposal yet he didn't even bother to grab a sharpie and scribble out an outline. Not a word about $2000 check until AFTER the fact. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.2.3  Krishna  replied to  Dulay @5.2    4 years ago

And at the very least a sure indication of the sort of derail that is so common amongst the Trumpistadoras when they have absolutely zero facts to back up their argument! jrSmiley_5_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 years ago
BTW, many will be happy to know that a healthy 38 year old AOC just got her vaccine.

Pssst, Vic ... AOC turned 31 a little over two months ago (Oct. 13). She should be wayyyyy down on the list, especially because many of her NY district constituents have said they rarely see her there. Therefore, she's very well shielded in her elite DC/Westchester bubble far from her district's riff-raff. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.4.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.4    4 years ago

Lol, I know....I don't know where I got 38.  She should stand aside on the Trump vaccine.

 
 
 
Krishna
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5.5  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    4 years ago
BTW, many will be happy to know that a healthy 38 year old AOC just got her vaccine.

Healthy schmelthy...

What you are forgetting (assuming you ever knew it in the first place..???) is that there are two good reasons for getting the vaccine-- not just one:

1. Sure, for onesself.

but also 

2. To prevent you from getting the Virus and spreading it to others!

(Are you pretending that you aren't aware of the second point-- or did you actually not know that?)

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6  Split Personality    4 years ago

Well,

Let's be honest here, the same people would  be saying the same thing if it was $1,200.00.

$600  isn't great but one of my adult daughters who is working limited hours due to Covid will take it and take it gratefully.

600 is always greater than zero.

 
 
 
Krishna
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6.2  Krishna  replied to  Split Personality @6    4 years ago
600 is always greater than zero.

Not necessarily... for example, in the case of many of Trump's supporters....

 
 
 
Dragon
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8  Dragon    4 years ago

Mitch wanted 0 money for Americans.  So in a sense 600 is "significant" given that GOP would have given nothing.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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8.1  1stwarrior  replied to  Dragon @8    4 years ago

Not true - below is what Mitch tried to stop - but was overruled.

800

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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8.1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  1stwarrior @8.1    4 years ago

Actually, the funding for foreign countries runs from page 1412 through 1593 of the Act and includes over $175B + to be made available to foreign entities for various and sundry uses - including arms/aircraft/construction/etc..

Why I ask - with no answer coming as they are not part of the U.S. and our efforts to regulate/prevent further COVID spread within the U.S.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @8.1.1    4 years ago

Technically the government was out of money, but voted a 2 day extension.

The measures you are complaining about are part of the omnibus bill to fund all government functions which could not be passed without the virus relief funding.

The House and Senate are set to vote Monday on $900 billion in pandemic relief aimed at shoring up the U.S. economic recovery into the early spring, combined with $1.4 trillion to fund regular government operations for the rest of the fiscal year.

The massive legislation runs 5,593 pages and includes other tax, energy and national-security provisions that lawmakers agreed to pass before the end of the year.

The pandemic relief bill includes help for small businesses, the jobless and direct payments to most Americans. It also provides funding for vaccine distribution, food assistance, tax breaks and money for education and child care.

The provisions aimed at the fallout from the coronavirus represent the second-largest economic rescue package in American history, behind the $1.8 trillion virus relief package that was signed into law just nine months ago. It surpasses the $787 billion stimulus passed in response to the financial crisis in 2009.

Together with the omnibus spending bill, the total package is worth more than $2.3 trillion. Tax benefits included in the bill have yet to be scored.

The meme and others are confusing two different but codependent pieces of legislation that were passed together.

 
 
 
Dragon
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8.1.3  Dragon  replied to  1stwarrior @8.1    4 years ago

In the original GOP proposal there was NO money to be distributed to Americans. 

SEP. 8, 2020
2:31 PM
WASHINGTON —  

Senate Republicans plan to vote later this week on another economic relief package for Americans dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic, but the slimmed-down plan — which does not include new checks for individuals — is already a deal-breaker for Democrats, ensuring that the stalemate will continue.

 
 
 
Dulay
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8.1.4  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @8.1.1    4 years ago

In short, as SP documents, the 'stimulus package' is a PART of the 5,593 page 2021 Omnibus Appropriations bill. Trying to pretend that McConnell was trying to hold back foreign aid is comical. 

BTFW, the House has passed 10 of 12 Appropriation bills in JULY. NONE of them were acted on my Mitch McConnell. As Sen. McCain said, the Senate needs to get back to legislating under 'regular order' instead of from under McConnell's thumb. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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8.1.5  Jasper2529  replied to  1stwarrior @8.1    4 years ago

That's the short list. It doesn't include Palestine, Pakistan, Venezuela, and others. And don't forget the Kennedy Center and museums (closed to the public but getting money), lizards/selfies /hot tub studies, and illegal aliens (retroactive to the CARES Bill).

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9  Texan1211    4 years ago

I can just imagine the posts a couple of years from now about the deficit Trump ran this fiscal year.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @9    4 years ago

Why just this year, Trump had set the record for 3 years already before COVID

Now he's on the cusp of tripling last years deficit

and tonight he suggested that $600 or $1200. was not enough - he would like to see between 2 to 4 thousand per couple

and may not sign the Omnibus/Covid Bills

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @9.1    4 years ago

Since you are quoting Trump you might want to try to use his exact words.

He wants the pork cut from the bill to offset the extra money going to individuals.

In his address, Trump said he would refuse to accept the bill as it is and demanded changes, notably a big increase in the proposed $600 direct payments to less well-off Americans.

"I am asking Congress to amend this bill and increase the ridiculously low $600 to $2,000, or $4,000 for a couple," he said, referring to relief checks.

Tapping into his nationalist "America First" brand, Trump also castigated measures added onto the bill during complex negotiations that would provide funding for projects benefiting U.S. partners abroad and other non-COVID related items like the environment.

"It really is a disgrace," he said. "I'm also asking Congress to immediately get rid of the wasteful and unnecessary items from this legislation, and just send me a suitable bill."

Seems Trump wants China Joe to be responsible for any pork. He just wants a clean Covid 19 stimulus bill.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.1    4 years ago
Since you are quoting Trump you might want to try to use his exact words.

SP didn't 'quote' Trump. 

Seems Trump wants China Joe to be responsible for any pork. He just wants a clean Covid 19 stimulus bill.

Bullshit. Trump could have and should have done that long ago if that's what he wanted. He didn't.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.1.3  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @9.1.2    4 years ago

Bullshit once again................from October.

President Trump took to Twitter Wednesday morning to reiterate to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi his desire to sign a standalone bill to provide $1,200 stimulus checks to Americans — as the federal government remains locked in a stalemate over coronavirus relief negotiations.

Just 10 hours after first mentioning Pelosi (D-Calif.) in a tweet Tuesday evening, when he expressed interest in a focused relief deal that would just cover the checks, the commander-in-chief circled back.

“Move Fast, I Am Waiting To Sign!” Trump wrote in a retweet of his earlier message , tagging the California Democrat’s account.

“If I am sent a Stand Alone Bill for Stimulus Checks ($1,200), they will go out to our great people IMMEDIATELY. I am ready to sign right now. Are you listening Nancy?” the president wrote late Tuesday in his initial post on the matter

Maybe not $2,000 but he stated what he wanted. And she, and the House, avoided doing so.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.3    4 years ago

She has already said that she was waiting until after the election to even deal with the bill for aid. Incredibly, no one in the media seemed bothered by that.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.3    4 years ago
Bullshit once again................from October.

On Oct. 1st, the House DID pass a stand alone stimulus bill that included the $1200 checks. 

It STILL sits on McConnell's desk. 

Perhaps he should have included Mitch in his twitter chain...

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.4    4 years ago

Again, you have to be desperately ignoring the 2 bills that the House passed to make that statement. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.6    4 years ago

Hey, they were her words, not mine.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.1    4 years ago
Since you are quoting Trump you might want to try to use his exact words.

Then I guess I wasn't quoting POTUS, nor did I attempt to.

I don't speak 8th grade Manhattan.

.

If you are going to troll my every comment,

perhaps you can comment where I said I'm all for the increased stimulus ( 3 )

as long as it is offset by an across the board equal decrease in foreign aid regardless of contracts or treaties already established for the funding.  let them eat cake.  Sri Lanka can do with one less gift of a speed boat. UK & Israel get enough from us through other Obama era promises.

That would be quite a legal feat being that the foriegn aid is divided between the Defense Spending Act he just vetoed

and the Omnibus Bill which passed both Houses back on Oct 1 and have NOTHING to do with the COVID relief Bill

other than McConnell tying them together for leverage

which the POTUS just removed from the table.

What is a disgrace is a POTUS who has no appreciation for the rule of law

and wishes to run the country and Congress based upon his experience as the head of a sloppily run family business.

27 more days ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.1    4 years ago
He wants the pork cut from the bill to offset the extra money going to individuals.

Of course the Bill is laden with "Tax extensions" favored by lobbyists and both parties and

NO ONE has the backbone to eliminate them because that would be

the equivalent of raising taxes $104 billion

more than half of what it will take to get to $2,000.00 per person.

Trump won't raise taxes.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.7    4 years ago

Actually, they were your words. You didn't quote Pelosi. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.3    4 years ago
“If I am sent a Stand Alone Bill for Stimulus Checks ($1,200), they will go out to our great people IMMEDIATELY

Nope, not possible with Mitch. Sorry Donald.

Heard tonight that there is no public record of Trump actually speaking to Pelosi in over a year,

or McConnell in 6 months.

Great leadership.

Can't even brag about his golf game because he cheats so much.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.10    4 years ago
Actually, they were your words. You didn't quote Pelosi. 

OMG that's dumb. Please take that nonsense elsewhere. I referenced her words, not mine. I didn't "quote" anyone. Geez!

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.12    4 years ago
OMG that's dumb. Please take that nonsense elsewhere. I referenced her words, not mine. I didn't "quote" anyone. Geez!

You said:

Hey, they were her words, not mine.

Now you admit that you didn't 'quote' anyone. 

So those are NOT her words, they are YOURS. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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9.1.15  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @9.1.14    4 years ago

This is the second time I am asking you to play your games with someone else. Please stop trolling me. If you have something to contribute to the actual topic, then by all means chime in. Your irrelevant buzzing adds nothing to the conversation. You have no point. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @9.1.15    4 years ago
This is the second time I am asking you to play your games with someone else.

It should come as no surprise to you that I don't take orders from you. 

Please stop trolling me.

Since my comment is still posted, either the mods don't agree with you or you would rather whine than flag it and refrain from replying.

If you have something to contribute to the actual topic, then by all means chime in.

Delusion of grandeur. I don't need your permission to post. 

Your irrelevant buzzing adds nothing to the conversation.
You have no point. 

The relevance and point of my comment is in proving that your comment was bullshit.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.2    4 years ago
Trump could have and should have done that long ago if that's what he wanted.

Just because Trump has a pen and a phone doesn't mean that he can pass laws all by himself.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.17    4 years ago

The GREAT negotiator was too busy golfing and pretending not to be a looser to bother with doing his job. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.18    4 years ago

Sure, that makes a lot of fucking sense--blame the President for what your beloved Nancy Pelosi passed!

LMAO

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.20  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.19    4 years ago
Sure, that makes a lot of fucking sense--blame the President for what your beloved Nancy Pelosi passed! LMAO

Why not? You and yours insist on blaming Pelosi for what Mnuchin negotiated and what McConnell passed. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.20    4 years ago
Why not? You and yours insist on blaming Pelosi for what Mnuchin negotiated and what McConnell passed. 

Okay, who the fuck is "you and yours"? Who do you think is mine?

Who passed the House bill? 

Did Trump?

Not that I know of, so blaming him is idiotic at best and just fucking stupid at worst.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.22  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.21    4 years ago
Okay, who the fuck is "you and yours"?

If YOU don't know who YOU are, I can't help you Tex. 

Who do you think is mine?

Those here that have express the same BS that YOU have. 

Who passed the House bill? 

The House. DUH. 

Did Trump?

Idiotic question. 

Not that I know of, so blaming him is idiotic at best and just fucking stupid at worst.

The blame isn't that the bill was passed, the blame is that after being AWOL Trump is whining that it doesn't meet his standards after Trump's negotiator, Mnuchin SET the fucking standards. 

Someone as 'well informed' as you surely knows that Republicans are pretty pissed off right now about the fact that they were assured before they voted that Trump was fully on board with the bill and would sign it. Yet, as fit's Trump's MO, he flip flopped and is making it all about satisfying HIS every changing whims. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.22    4 years ago
If YOU don't know who YOU are, I can't help you Tex. 

I didn't ask for your fucking help.

Those here that have express the same BS that YOU have.

Only response to that is it is extremely ignorant.

Idiotic question. 

No more idiotic than blaming Trump for what was passed by the House.

The President need not be involved in legislation until it is passed by Congress and sent to him.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.24  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.23    4 years ago
I didn't ask for your fucking help.

I didn't say you did. 

Only response to that is it is extremely ignorant.

That illustrates a lack of awareness. 

No more idiotic than blaming Trump for what was passed by the House.

I made clear what I was blaming Trump for, so what are you babbling about now Tex? 

The President need not be involved in legislation until it is passed by Congress and sent to him.

If he wants to hold it up because it doesn't meet his standards he sure a hell DOES need to get involved before he fucks over months of work by HIS negotiator.

It's pretty fucking clear that Mnuchin word doesn't mean anything anymore, he doesn't speak for Trump. So it's good that they are on their way out the door and can only fuck us over for a couple more weeks. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @9.1.24    4 years ago

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evilone
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10  evilone    4 years ago

This is the political theater I like to watch - Moscow Mitch didn't want to give money to anyone but corporations, but that was damaging the GA Senate run off election, so he capitulated to $600. Now Trump found his phone again and is tweeting about more money with the Dems falling all over themselves to agree - AOC said she had an amendment ready to pass and be tacked on to the bill before signing... That looks so bad for the Mcconnell and the GA run off. Mitchy can get bitchy at Trumpy and push him to sign the bill today with the $600 and wait for the next Congress to push more - a win for Biden & Dems - OR he can go with the flow and push the Senate (most of which are already gone) and give the Dems a win right now.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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10.1  Ronin2  replied to  evilone @10    4 years ago

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Unless the pork is cut from the Bill Trump will not sign it. So amending the Bill doesn't do one damn bit of good.

 
 
 
Dulay
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10.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @10.1    4 years ago
So amending the Bill doesn't do one damn bit of good.

Do you READ your own fucking comments before you post them? 

From YOUR block quote in 9.1.1:

"I am asking Congress to amend this bill and increase the ridiculously low $600 to $2,000, or $4,000 for a couple," he said, referring to relief checks.

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Just Jim NC TttH
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10.1.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @10.1.1    4 years ago

Ronin is correct. Amending only the payout amount will NOT get the fucking thing passed...... without the pork gone too.

 
 
 
Dulay
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10.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.1.2    4 years ago

Jim, you and Ronin need to recognize that the ONLY way to 'cut the pork' from the bill is to AMEND it. 

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Split Personality
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10.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @10.1.3    4 years ago

And since most of the pork is divided between the Defense Spending Act ( already vetoed )

and the Omnibus it took 9 months to get passed

and nothing to do with the Covid Relief Bill,

it looks like a government shutdown, a pocket veto, and everything left to the next Congress

and probably the next Administration as they start over "from scratch",

while Mr & Mrs Trump fight Palm Beach over residency rules at Mar a Lago.

 
 

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