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Donald Trump, Michelle Obama Most Admired in 2020

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  4 years ago  •  106 comments

By:   Jeffrey M. Jones (Gallup. com)

Donald Trump, Michelle Obama Most Admired in 2020
Donald Trump edges out Barack Obama as most admired man, while Michelle Obama places ahead of Kamala Harris as most admired woman.

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And $8.50 will get you a coffee at Starbucks. While not uncommon for an incumbent President, this just doesn't seem like it truly displays the feelings of the American people.........so we are told.


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Story Highlights

  • 18% name Trump as most admired man; Barack Obama places second at 15%
  • Few Republicans name anyone other than Trump; Democrats split their votes
  • Michelle Obama named most admired woman for third year in a row

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans are most likely to name President Donald Trump and Michelle Obama as most admired man and woman in 2020. Trump tied former President Barack Obama for the honor last year but edged out his predecessor this year. Trump's first-place finish ends a 12-year run as most admired man for Obama, tied with Dwight Eisenhower for the most ever.

Meanwhile, Michelle Obama ranks as most admired woman for the third year in a row. Vice President-elect Kamala Harris is second.

Most Admired Man


The incumbent president is usually top of mind when Gallup asks Americans to name, without prompting, which man living anywhere in the world they admire most. In the 74 times Gallup has asked the open-ended most admired man question since 1946, the incumbent president has topped the list 60 times. Harry Truman (1946-1947 and 1950-1952), Lyndon Johnson (1967-1968), Richard Nixon (1973), Gerald Ford (1974-1975), Jimmy Carter (1980), George W. Bush (2008) and Trump (2017-2018) are the incumbent presidents who did not finish first in past years.

When the sitting president is not the top choice, it is usually because he is unpopular politically. That was the case in 2017 and 2018 when Trump had 36% and 40% approval ratings, respectively, and finished second to Obama as most admired man.

Even though Trump is similarly unpopular now -- 39% approve of his performance -- his dominant performance among Republicans, contrasted with Democrats splitting their choices among multiple public figures, pushes him to the top of the 2020 most admired man list.

  • Forty-eight percent of Republicans name Trump this year, with no other public figure receiving more than 2% of Republicans' votes.
  • Obama is the top choice among Democrats, at 32%, but that is down from 41% last year. President-elect Joe Biden (13%) is also commonly named by Democrats.
  • Additionally, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, is named by 5% of Democrats but only 1% of Republicans, further contributing to Democrats' relative dispersion of choices.
  • Independents are evenly split between Trump (11%) and Obama (11%), with another 3% naming Biden and 2% Fauci.

Overall, 18% of Americans name Trump, 15% name Obama, 6% Biden and 3% Fauci. The remaining top 10 men include Pope Francis, businessman Elon Musk, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Microsoft co-founder and philanthropist Bill Gates, basketball player LeBron James, and the Dalai Lama, the spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists.

Most Admired Man, 2020 What man that you have heard or read about, living today in any part of the world, do you admire most?

% Mentioning Number of top 10 finishes
Donald Trump 18 10
Barack Obama 15 15
Joe Biden 6 2
Dr. Anthony Fauci 3 1
Pope Francis 2 8
Elon Musk 1 4
Bernie Sanders 1 6
Bill Gates 1 21
LeBron James 1 1
Dalai Lama 1 11
Combined first and second mentions; rankings based on total number of responses
Gallup, Dec. 1-17, 2020

In addition to the public figures named by Americans, 11% name a relative or friend as the man they admire most. Twenty-one percent did not offer an opinion in response to the open-ended question.

This year marks the 10th time Trump has finished among the top 10 men, including four times before he entered party politics -- 1988 through 1990 and 2011. Gates has finished in the top 10 a total of 21 times, while Obama has now done so 15 times and the Dalai Lama 11 times. Biden has been in the top 10 once before, in 2018, while Fauci and James are new to the list.

The Rev. Billy Graham, who passed away in 2018, finished among the top 10 a record 61 times during his life. Former President Jimmy Carter is the living man with the most top 10 finishes -- 29 -- putting him behind Graham and Ronald Reagan for third all-time. Carter finishes just outside the top 10 this year but made the 2019 list.

Most Top 10 Finishes -- Gallup Most Admired Man

Number of top 10 finishes
Billy Graham 61
Ronald Reagan 31
Jimmy Carter 29
Pope John Paul II 27
Bill Clinton 26
Bill Gates 21
Dwight Eisenhower 21
Richard Nixon 21
George H.W. Bush 20
Harry Truman 20
Nelson Mandela 20
Ted Kennedy 18
Winston Churchill 17
George W. Bush 17
Colin Powell 16
Barack Obama 15
Douglas MacArthur 15
Gallup

Pope John Paul II and Gen. Douglas MacArthur frequently made the top 10. They, along with Henry Kissinger, are the only men who were not future, current or former presidents to finish first overall in any year. MacArthur was most admired man in 1946, 1947 and 1951; Kissinger topped the list from 1973 through 1975, and Pope John Paul II did so in 1980.

Most Admired Woman

Just as men who were president have dominated the most admired man list, women who were first lady have commonly been named most admired woman. Gallup has asked the public to name the woman they admire most 71 times since 1948, with either a current (18) or a former (39) first lady winning a total of 57 times. That has been the case every year since 1997, with Hillary Clinton accounting for most of those -- but Michelle Obama (2018 through 2020) and Laura Bush (2001) also finished first during that time span.

This year, 10% of Americans name Obama as most admired woman, 6% name Harris, and 4% name current first lady Melania Trump. Trump has been in the top 10 each of the past four years but has never finished first, joining Bess Truman and Lady Bird Johnson as former or current first ladies not to have received the distinction.

The remainder of the top 10 most admired women this year include television personality Oprah Winfrey, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Clinton, New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Queen Elizabeth II, Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett and climate change activist Greta Thunberg.

Most Admired Woman, 2020 What woman that you have heard or read about, living today in any part of the world, do you admire most?

% Mentioning Number of top 10 finishes
Michelle Obama 10 13
Kamala Harris 6 1
Melania Trump 4 4
Oprah Winfrey 3 33
Angela Merkel 2 8
Hillary Clinton 2 29
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 2 1
Queen Elizabeth II 2 52
Amy Coney Barrett 1 1
Greta Thunberg 1 2
Combined first and second mentions; rankings based on total number of responses
Gallup, Dec. 1-17, 2020

Several other women were named by 1% of Americans, including singer Dolly Parton, former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Nobel Peace Prize laureate Malala Yousafzai, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, actress Betty White and Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer. These women did not make the top 10 because they had fewer total mentions than Barrett and Thunberg.

Sixteen percent of Americans name a relative or friend as the woman they admire most, and 19% do not have an opinion.

Partisans tend to name public figures aligned with their own party when answering the most admired woman question. Trump leads among Republicans at 8%, followed by Barrett (4%) and Haley (4%). Democrats are about equally likely to name Obama (17%) and Harris (16%), and 5% name Ocasio-Cortez.

Obama leads among independents (11%), with Trump second at 4%.

Queen Extends Record of Top 10 Finishes

Queen Elizabeth's top 10 finish this year is her 52nd, far more than any other woman. Margaret Thatcher is second on the list with 34 top 10 appearances, followed by Winfrey at 33 and Clinton with 29.

Most Top 10 Finishes -- Gallup Most Admired Woman

Number of top 10 finishes
Queen Elizabeth II 52
Margaret Thatcher 34
Oprah Winfrey 33
Hillary Clinton 29
Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis 28
Mamie Eisenhower 21
Barbara Bush 20
Margaret Chase Smith 20
Nancy Reagan 19
Mother Teresa 18
Clare Boothe Luce 18
Condoleezza Rice 17
Betty Ford 17
Madame Chiang Kai-shek 17
Helen Keller 17
Pat Nixon 15
Gallup

Clinton, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Mamie Eisenhower, Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan, Betty Ford and Pat Nixon are the current or former first ladies who have placed in the top 10 at least 15 times. Obama has finished among the leaders 13 times to date.

Non-first ladies who have finished first in past years include Sister Elizabeth Kenny (1951); Ethel Kennedy, the widow of Sen. Robert Kennedy (1968); former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir (1971, 1973-1974); Mother Teresa (1980, 1986, 1995-1996); and former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher (1982-1984 and 1988-1990).

Bottom Line

Past, present and future White House occupants, whether presidents or first ladies, have figured prominently when Gallup has asked Americans to name the man and woman they admire most. As such, Barack Obama, Donald Trump and Joe Biden are likely to remain strong contenders for the most admired man title in the coming years. Should Trump continue to dominate Republicans' consciousnesses -- currently, Republicans rarely name any other public person than him -- he will have a good chance of winning in future years, especially if Democrats continue to split their choices between Obama and Biden. Still, former presidents typically have not been top of mind for Americans -- only Obama and Eisenhower received 10% or more mentions in any year after they left office.

Harris' prominent role in the forthcoming Biden administration should raise her national profile in the coming year, and possibly position her to overtake Michelle Obama as most admired woman..


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    4 years ago

Enjoy.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    4 years ago

I did!   Thanks!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Most admired man? Interesting.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2    4 years ago

There are some here whose reaction to this great and awesome news will be interesting to read....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    4 years ago

Heads are exploding.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    4 years ago

This particular award is probably the most meaningless there is. Not only does it not take a majority of the votes to win, it doesnt even take 20 %. 

Does anyone seriously doubt there are 18% of Americans who would vote for Trump even if the question was "who is the most Christlike figure on earth"? 

Maybe Trump can use this award in his defense when he goes on trial for tax fraud. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 years ago
This particular award is probably the most meaningless there is. Not only does it not take a majority of the votes to win, it doesnt even take 20 %. 

So, in your opinion, this isn't now, nor never has been, a big deal? Interesting.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    4 years ago

Since when did polls suddenly become believable? jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

Also, noting that the "poll" was taken between December 1st and December 17th it was a snap shot of sentiments then, before the recent

budget fiasco.  Can you imagine the results if Trump had insisted and passed the $2,000.00 stimulus?

Trump would have won in a "landslide" /s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    4 years ago

If they had a multiple choice, let's say Obama, the pope, Dr Fauci, Trump, and LeBron James, and those were the only choices then I suppose it might mean a little more.  As it is the top 10 finishers among the males totaled 49% of the vote, which means that half the people didnt choose any of them !  There are simply too many different people who get votes to make something like this truly meaningful. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    4 years ago
Trump would have won in a "landslide"

Is that all the democrat idea of democracy has become?  Just a giveaway for votes?

Trump lost because of something China did.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to    4 years ago

"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”....Margaret Thatcher

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    4 years ago
Is that all the democrat idea of democracy has become?  Just a giveaway for votes?

Nope, just common sense.


Trump lost because of something China did.

Trump lost because of his response to everything "virus" and his indifference to the suffering of the victims

whether they contracted the virus or were just financial victims.

Had he taken care of the affected people, they would have voted for him regardless of party affiliation.

Common sense.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @3.1.7    4 years ago

I am not bitter about anything Dennis.

2020 was an awesome year for me and the spouse.

Mr Trump won a poll with an an honorary title. jrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

Like JJ said "And $8.50 will get you a coffee at Starbucks."

Now let me know when POTUS Trump wins the Nobel Prize and donates the money to charity, lol.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.8    4 years ago

I guess anything can be fun but I dont see the fun in bragging about your hero winning a poll with 18% of the vote. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.1.11  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    4 years ago
dont see the fun in bragging about your hero winning a poll with 18% of the vote. 

what do you mean, he would still have been claiming he won the damn election as he has been, cause he does not dwell in our realm of reality.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 years ago
Trump lost because of something China did.

Nope, Trump lost because of what he DIDN'T do. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.13  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    3 years ago
Trump lost because of something China did.

So it's China's fault that trump lied about, downplayed and ignore covid? 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 years ago
Does anyone seriously doubt there are 18% of Americans who would vote for Trump even if the question was "who is the most Christlike figure on earth"? 

It's just proof the cult of Dirty Donald exists and that 18% of Americans are fucking insane.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    4 years ago

Last year, Obama tied with Trump for the same poll with the same numbers, 18 percent. By your logic, the same number of different cult loving Americans were (are) fucking insane for voting Obama last year, no?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    4 years ago

By your logic, the same number of different cult loving Americans were (are) fucking insane for voting Obama last year, no?

Probably thinks the 18% for Obama are all Mensa members. No logic required that way.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.4  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.3    4 years ago

I can almost assure you there is nowhere near 18 percent of democrats are MENSA members. Probably can't even find one.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.2.2    4 years ago
By your logic, the same number of different cult loving Americans were (are) fucking insane for voting Obama last year, no?

No. Those who admire President Obama have very reasonable rational reasons to do so. Trump is a fucking lying piece of shit loser, start to finish, so anyone admiring him is fucking insane.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.2.4    4 years ago
I can almost assure you there is nowhere near 18 percent of democrats are MENSA members. Probably can't even find one.

Then you'd be wrong, but that's not unusual for Trump cult members.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.7  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.5    4 years ago
rump is a fucking lying piece of shit loser, start to finish, so anyone admiring him is fucking insane.

You know, I feel the same about Obama, plus he was nothing more than a race baiter. I guess my opinion cancels out yours, [deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.6    4 years ago
Then you'd be wrong,

That would be one hell of a trick, as only about 2% of Americans are even Mensa members.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.6    4 years ago
hen you'd be wrong, but that's not unusual for Trump cult members.

No, not really. I've seen the posts by liberals on here. That alone cements my post as fact.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.2.9    4 years ago
No, not really. I've seen the posts by liberals on here. That alone cements my post as fact.

Well I guess both myself and my employer who was a Republican but voted for Biden prove you wrong, and I highly doubt we're the only ones with IQ's over 132 that voted for Biden. I don't like tooting my own horn but I've been tested many times in my life and my lowest score was 137. My 70 year old Republican employer took one about 5 years ago and scored 161 and even though he doesn't consider himself a liberal or Democrat he saw what a total piece of shit Trump was and voted for Biden like many sane highly intelligent Republicans did this last election. Oh, and my employer is an actual member of MENSA, I never bothered to apply.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.2.11  Split Personality  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.10    4 years ago

I never bothered to apply.

 Neither have I, lol...
I always felt it was too much like that scam of paying to be included in the annual Who's Who publication.
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igknorantzrulz
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3.2.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.11    4 years ago

what is required to be a member ?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.2.13  Split Personality  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.2.12    4 years ago

What qualifies me to be a Mensa member?

To qualify for Mensa, you must have scored in the top 2 percent of the general population on any one of more than 200 accepted, standardized intelligence tests — including our Mensa Admission tests — at any point in your life. An estimated six million Americans are eligible for membership.

Oh, and $79.00 a yer, lol

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.2.14  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.13    4 years ago

have never known my IQ, but i was in advanced classes in school that a certain IQ was required, and ive tested, back in the day, in the top 2% percentile, but, never really gave a fck, gotta heater in my truck, and i'm off to the rodeo, then add in a $79,000 admission...FCK that ! Don't need no Mensa title ,to what, impress people ?/ i prefer to depress people, but i've always liked and used the term, what, did you just come from a Mensa meeting.../? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.15  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.3    3 years ago
Probably thinks the 18% for Obama are all Mensa members. No logic required that way.

What isn't logical is conflating IQ with whether someone is sane. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.15    3 years ago

It isn't MY problem that some very fine folks believe that 18% of Democrats are Mensa members.

I can't help what others are willing to swallow.

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.17  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.2.4    3 years ago
Probably can't even find one.

Annise Parker   – 61st Mayor of Houston, Texas (2010–2016)

That was easy. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.16    3 years ago
It isn't MY problem that some very fine folks believe that 18% of Democrats are Mensa members.

You are the one that brought MENSA into the discussion and thereby conflated IQ with sanity. Own it. 

I can't help what others are willing to swallow.

Yet you CAN help the parameters YOU set and the bullshit you post. I'm merely asking you to own both. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @3.2.18    3 years ago

well, no kidding. 

it isn't something I have ever denied, so

I do own it.

stop pretending otherwise!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.20  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.19    3 years ago

The other side is something else around here lately....it hardly matters the individual or the issue...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.20    3 years ago

Writes an individual who believes that Biden stole the election from Trump.

If one writes blithering nonsense one is likely to be challenged.   If one holds absurd beliefs and stubbornly argues same with no supporting evidence, one is likely to be challenged.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.22  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.21    3 years ago

The election was stolen.  There is no doubt at all that’s the truth.  We will see all the needed  evidence on the 6th.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.23  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.22    3 years ago
The election was stolen.

Yeah, I do not think I could have made a better case against you than what you do on your own.

There is no doubt at all that’s the truth.  

There is also no evidence supporting your 'truth'.   But there is plenty to counter your ridiculous claim.

We will see all the needed  evidence on the 6th.  

What will we see?    My prediction is that we will see nutcases objecting and delaying the proceedings which will eventually end up with Biden officially holding the exact number of electoral votes submitted by the SoS of the states.

There will be no evidence whatsoever that would change the results of the election and cause Trump to be deemed the winner.   Will not happen.   It is utterly foolish to think otherwise at this point.

I am bookmarking your comment.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2.24  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @3.2.4    3 years ago

Most of us Mensa members are independent centrists.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 years ago
Maybe Trump can use this award in his defense when he goes on trial for tax fraud. 

And you think he committed tax fraud because he hasn't shown his taxes? That's laughable.

What is interesting about that poll is how far back in 3rd place Joe Biden is. Obviously, even those who voted for Biden didn't think as much of him as the two controversial presidents who preceded him - The Nationalist and the radical.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3    4 years ago
And you think he committed tax fraud because he hasn't shown his taxes? That's laughable.

Every time you talk about these things all you do is announce to the world that you have hidden your head in the sand regarding Trump. People who don't read at all probably have a knowledge regarding all this that approximates yours. 

Trump has, for many years, mis-stated the worth of his properties. He lowers it when he has to fill out tax forms , so as to make his property taxes lower, and he raises their worth when he wants to show how valuable his assets are when he wants to borrow money.  This is what NY state is investigating. He's been doing it for so long that there will be receipts. The question really is whether or not the prosecutors in NY want to put the country through long legal actions involving Trump. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.1    4 years ago

Have you EVER lived in ANY place in America that your property taxes were based on the taxpayers' say-so on the value?

Do you even get how ludicrous that is?

Have you EVER gotten a bank loan based on YOUR say-so of what property is worth? Where the bank did absolutely NO due diligence before writing a check to you?

Please tell me, so I can borrow a million or two and live it up in my last 20 years!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.2    4 years ago

I'll revise it a little. He does not misstate the worth of the properties to lower property taxes per se, but to acquire various types of tax breaks that he is not entitled to. He has been doing this for years. Why dont you people try reading something on your own once in a while instead of trying to harass people who do put up information ? 

Do you want to piss me off so I flood NT with information about Trump's financial misdeeds? It could happen. 

ALBANY, N.Y. — New York Attorney General Letitia James is reportedly investigating whether the Trump Organization improperly inflated the value of one of its properties in order to receive a $21.1 million tax break.
 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.3    4 years ago
Revise? After that slanderous statement of "fact" by you.
Do tell us how Trump stated his properties were worth less so he could get some kind of tax break. And what kind of tax break  would that be? Tell us how lower property values results in tax breaks.
Do you want to piss me off so I flood NT with information about Trump's financial misdeeds? It could happen. 

I don't give a rat's ass if you are pissed off or not--not my problem. And flooding NT with "information" seems to be what you attempt to do daily--IF it has anything to do with an opportunity to bash Trump, of course.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.6  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.2    4 years ago

And BINGO. The whole argument is ludicrous and has been ever since this bullshit got posted all over this place as well as others. Makes one wonder who lives in the real world and not on Fantasy Island.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.7  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.3    4 years ago
flood NT

You do that every day with accusations, innuendos, insults and demeaning remarks, all with never providing proof.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.3.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.5    4 years ago
Revise? After that slanderous statement of "fact" by you.

Here's a thought for you -  STFU 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.9  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.3    4 years ago
New York Attorney General Letitia James is reportedly investigating whether the Trump Organization improperly inflated the value of one of its properties in order to receive a $21.1 million tax break.

Again, any State or municipality doesn't do their due diligence prior to awarding such a large "break" doesn't really care enough to do so. And THAT is the true crime......against the tax paying populace not by anyone BUT the state/locality. PERIOD.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.8    4 years ago
Here's a thought for you -  STFU 

Start posting fucking facts instead of lies and I just might!

I figure that will never, ever, ever happen, though.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.11  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.3.7    4 years ago

Trump Cheated (Shocker!) on Property Tax; But Will Anyone Go to Jail?

The Trump Organization showed one set of books to lenders, another to tax officials.  

ProPublica obtained property tax docs for four Trump properties. These docs became public when Trump appealed the tax bills, and the loan records became public when Trump’s lenders sold the debt on the properties. Significant discrepancies were unearthed between the tax records and loan records for two of the properties: Trump International Hotel & Tower, on Central Park West, and 40 Wall St.

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That Trump is a serious tax cheat is no surprise to DCReport readers. Four years ago, I revealed that  Trump lost two income tax fraud trials . He fabricated a consulting business in 1984. It showed no revenue, yet Trump claimed more than $600,000 in deductions. He could not produce a single receipt.

Getting caught cheating, again and again, didn’t make Trump into anything even vaguely resembling an honest taxpayer.

Trump’s longtime tax lawyer and accountant, Jack Mitnick, testified during one of the two civil fraud trials that Trump forged the tax return. Mitnick was Trump’s witness, by the way, showing just how much chutzpah Trump has.

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According to  a report in  the New York Times ,  Donald Trump and his siblings set up phony businesses in the 1990’ to  avoid paying millions of dollars in taxes . Then they used those same businesses to cheat thousands of their tenants out of millions of dollars in violation of New York City housing laws.

The Times  said that in 1992, Trump and his family set up a phony company called All County Building Supply & Maintenance which did nothing but pay vendors — and then was reimbursed by their father, Fred Trump at a higher rate. The report states that money beyond what was legally proper was then split between the kids allowing them to avoid paying taxes on the excess cash, which amounted to millions of dollars.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.12  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.11    4 years ago

This can go on for a long long time if you want it to. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.13  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.11    4 years ago

And in 28 years, no charges at the time of the supposed "crime(s)"...........until now and total bunk going forward more than likely. And only because they wanted to discredit Trump as POTUS. New York GovCo must be more screwed up than the feds.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.12    4 years ago
This can go on for a long long time if you want it to. 

Jesus H. Christ.

Does this mean we have to look forward to yet another 4+ years of this crap?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.15  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.11    4 years ago

These are all opinion pieces by left wing rags. Got anything reliable?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.3.15    4 years ago
These are all opinion pieces by left wing rags. Got anything reliable?

They're far more reliable than right wing rags. The proof will be in the court cases that are pended for as soon as that piece of shit tax cheat leaves the white house.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.17  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.3.15    4 years ago

Bugsy, you either believe that federal and state prosecutors are investigating extensive tax fraud cases against Trump or you dont. I really dont care either way.  We could place all the factual information you have ever placed on this forum on the head of a pin. For the thousandth time, go bite at someone else's ankles. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.18  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.16    4 years ago

Gonna be some slaps on the wrist if carried through at all. What is the purpose NOW trying to get him on the past that passed muster in the state at the time of "commission". I know you'll be following with bated breath but I fear you may be greatly disappointed.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.19  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.17    4 years ago
you either believe that federal and state prosecutors are investigating extensive tax fraud cases against Trump or you dont.

I do believe they are, but it is only being done for show, Once Trump is out of office, these "investigations" will simply disappear, because there is no longer a reason to falsely accuse him of things to get him out of office.

As far as factual information, I have countered almost every one of your posts with actual facts, and you have never been able to counter otherwise.

It seems you are the ankle biter,

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.20  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.16    4 years ago
The proof will be in the court cases that are pended

You mean the ones that will magically disappear once Trump is out of office? There is no longer a reason for far left wing prosecutors to make false accusations to simply make him look bad.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.21  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.18    4 years ago

Sounds more to me like some gung-ho Trump hater (or just a real opportunist) is going to try and make a "name" for himself, by prosecuting the Evil Mr. Trump! Want to bet if successful, the clown will be running for Congress or the Senate some day?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.22  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.3.20    4 years ago

Donald Trump was being accused of these type of things before he ever ran for president. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.23  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  bugsy @3.3.19    4 years ago
I do believe they are, but it is only being done for show, Once Trump is out of office, these "investigations" will simply disappear, because there is no longer a reason to falsely accuse him of things to get him out of office

Yep. All for show that the orange man bad. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.3.24  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.22    4 years ago

And never prosecuted. Key word, accused.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.25  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.22    4 years ago
accused

And there you go...again, John....no proof.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.3.13    4 years ago

www.alternet.org /2016/09/10-people-who-say-trump-has-cheated-them-out-money/
10 People Who Say Trump Has Cheated Them Out of Money

September 2016

Kali Holloway
13-16 minutes
Here’s a snippet from an interview Donald Trump gave to CBS This Morning’s Norah O’Donnell:

Trump: “I’m the king of debt...Nobody knows debt better than me. I’ve made a fortune by using debt. And if things don’t work out, I renegotiate the debt. I mean, that’s a smart thing, not a stupid thing.”

O’Donnell: “How do you renegotiate the debt?”

Trump: “Because you go back and you say, ‘Hey guess what, the economy crashed. I’m going to give you back half.’ I like debt for me.”

You'd guess from that exchange that Trump had made savvy, and perhaps unethical, use of bankruptcy, which he essentially admits to. What he doesn’t acknowledge about his affection for debt is that all too often it seems to come at the expense of small-business owners who can’t afford it.

A recent USA Today investigation found Trump businesses have been at the center of nearly 3,500 lawsuits since the 1980s. An awful lot of those are filings from mom-and-pop vendors, little guy laborers and even white-shoe law firms who all charge that Trump accrues debt through the old-fashioned method of simply not paying his bills. Many say Trump's methods have hobbled or destroyed the businesses that took them lifetimes and generations to build.

There are hundreds of people and entities Trump allegedly owes money, and since financial transparency isn’t exactly his forte, there’s likely zero chance all of them will become publicly known. Nor can they be compiled into a single listicle. But for just a few examples of those who contend he has cheated, lied and strong-armed them out of their just due, here’s a list of 10 people who say Trump owes them money.

1. Architect Andrew Tesoro.

During the first presidential debate, Clinton referred to an architect in the audience who had been been short-changed by Trump, a charge the GOP nominee didn’t deny, but instead countered by stating, “Maybe he didn’t do a good job and I was unsatisfied with his work.” The architect in question is Andrew Tesoro, whose five-person firm designed the clubhouse for a Trump golf course in Westchester, New York. In an interview with Forbes in July, Tesoro said that after four years of work on a project that nearly doubled in size per Trump’s request, he was owed $140,000. Instead of paying him, Trump’s team of legal bulldogs bullied him into accepting a mere $50,000, a bill that remained outstanding past its due date. In a final face-to-face meeting with Trump himself, Tesoro was offered just $25,000. Advised by Trump’s lawyer that resource-draining litigation would be dragged out as long as possible, Tesoro accepted the paltry offer. His work must not have been too shabby since Trump, on company letterhead, described Tesoro as “a fine architect with great imagination and spirit. He did a great job for me.”

Tesoro, for obvious reasons, is going with Clinton this election, and appeared in a campaign ad where he recounts the story. 

2. Cabinet-maker Edward Friel Jr.

According to USA Today, Friel was contracted to “build the bases for slot machines, registration desks, bars and other cabinets at Harrah's at Trump Plaza” in Atlantic City. When the job was finished in 1984, the elder Friel’s son, Paul, the accountant for the family company, sent the Trump Organization a final invoice for $83,600. Instead of payment, Paul says his father was summoned to a meeting with Trump, during which he basically said the company had done a crappy job and he wouldn’t be paying the debt. Oddly, according to the story, the general contractor on the job had approved the work, and Trump invited Friel back to do more work. Advised by a lawyer that litigation would drain precious time and money, Edward Friel struggled financially to continue. He was ultimately forced to fold the company, founded by his own father, and filed for bankruptcy in 1989.

3. Paint store owner Juan Carlos Enriquez.

After two years of nonpayment on a $30,000 bill, the proprietor of the Paint Spot sued for work completed on the Trump National Doral Miami golf club. Here’s how USA Today says that went:

In courtroom testimony, the manager of the general contractor for the Doral renovation admitted that a decision was made not to pay The Paint Spot because Trump “already paid enough.” As the construction manager spoke, “Trump’s trial attorneys visibly winced, began breathing heavily, and attempted to make eye contact” with the witness, the judge noted in his ruling. That, and other evidence, convinced the judge The Paint Spot’s claim was credible.

The club has been ordered to be shuttered and sold, with the funds going to Enriquez. Trump’s lawyers have filed an appeal, delaying payment.

4. Dishwasher Guy Dorcinvil.

The USA Today investigation discovered that Dorcinvil, a dishwasher at Trump’s Palm Beach resort Mar-A-Lago, filed a lawsuit in federal court. In court papers highlighted by Think Progress, Dorcinvil claimed that despite routinely putting in more than 40 hours a week, he was never paid time and a half. In an out-of-court settlement, Mar-a-Lago paid Dorcinvil $7,500, an amount that, on a dishwasher’s salary, is fairly massive. The USA Today report notes that “terms of the settlement agreement includes a standard statement that Mar-a-Lago does not admit fault.”

5. A group of singing children.

Maybe you remember the USA Freedom Kids, a trio of three little girls who performed at a Trump rally in Pensacola, Florida, singing a song filled with “U-S-A!” chants that really got the audience clapping on and off beat, ugh. Anyway, the campaign told Jeff Popick, the guy who started the group, writes the songs and is father of the lead singer that they couldn’t be paid for their performance but that the girls could set up a table to sell merchandise. Team Trump neglected to actually provide said table, and all their merchandise was stolen out of their car in the parking lot of the venue while they were onstage. The group also took a red-eye to a Trump gig in Iowa (they’re from Florida) that was canceled at the last minute.

Popick says they were never reimbursed for the flight, rental car or hotel, and were told not to do any press, which was sort of the point to begin with. The Daily Beast reports Popick tried to get money out of the Trump team for nine months before he finally turned to a lawyer. The lyric “President Donald Trump knows how to make America great," has reportedly been cut from their signature song.

6. Two hundred undocumented Polish workers.

In 1980, a Trump contractor hired the “Polish Brigade,” a group of roughly 200 undocumented Polish laborers, to demolish an old building that stood where the billionaire planned to erect Trump Towers. In a 1998 New York Times article, one worker says they “worked in horrid, terrible conditions,'' and the Atlantic has reported “workers didn’t wear hard hats and often slept at the site.” For their work, Politifact has established they were paid $4 to $5 an hour, under the table, and no overtime.

After years of not being paid, the workers sued Trump for $1 million. Despite Trump's claims that he didn’t know they were undocumented, a judge ruled in favor of the workers, alleging that Trump took part in a "conspiracy" to bilk the laborers out of their due. He appealed, tying up the case for another decade, with charges now estimated at $4 million. In 1999, Trump settled the case out of court, and the records are now sealed. Bemoaning the whole debacle, one worker told the Times, “'We were frightened illegal immigrants and did not know enough about our rights.''

7. Nearly everyone involved in the construction of Taj Mahal Casino.

Proclaimed the "eighth wonder of the world” by Trump, Taj Mahal Casino opened in Atlantic City in 1990. One year later, it filed for bankruptcy. In a look back at the story, the Washington Post notes that while seeking approval for the project, Trump touted his name recognition as a guarantee he would have an easy time getting bank loans. (“I’m talking about banking institutions, not these junk bonds, which are ridiculous,” Trump reportedly stated in a transcript from a licensing hearing. “The funny thing with junk bonds is that junk bonds [are] what really made the companies junk.”)

Once the project got the go-ahead, Trump financed it using $900 million in high-interest junk bonds—precisely the method he’d said he would avoid. By the time the venue opened, according to USA Today, “Trump’s companies owed a total of $69.5 million to 253 subcontractors on the Taj Mahal project.” Though not a personal filing, the convoluted intertwining of Trump’s personal and business finances meant he would have to sell off his 282-foot yacht, his airline and 50 percent of his casino holdings. A number of vendors were ultimately forced to take pennies on the dollar.

8. Many banks and other financial institutions, including Bank of China.

According to the New York Times, a deep dig “into the financial maze of Mr. Trump’s real estate holdings in the United States reveals that companies he owns have at least $650 million in debt — twice the amount than can be gleaned from public filings he has made as part of his bid for the White House.” Among those entities the Times identifies as lenders are Goldman Sachs “a financial institution he has said controls Hillary Clinton.” The list of those owed money includes Bank of China, a major financial institution in the country Trump said in 2011 he would address thusly: "Listen you motherf**kers, we're gonna tax you 25 percent."

9. The very lawyers who protect him from having to pay anyone.

Trump actually sued New York-based law firm Morrison Cohen—which USA Today reports had “fought contractors over payments and other issues” on his behalf—twice: once because he said their fees were too high (“I have a Ph.D. in legal fees. I know when fees are fair and when they are not,” he told the New York Law Journal), and once because he didn’t want them using his name in PR materials (“They put my name up all over their ads like I’m in love with them, and I really don’t like them,” Trump told the New York Post). The firm countersued, claiming Trump owed them $500,000.

Virginia law firm Cook, Heyward, Lee, Hopper & Feehan reportedly also sued Trump for a debt they said amounted to $94,511. Both cases were settled out of court.

10. Trump's campaign staff.

In September, the Washington Post reported on a mass exodus of campaign staffers from Trump's D.C.-area office (based in Alexandria, Virginia) just after the Republican National Convention. A primary reason cited by many the Post spoke to was that they weren’t paid by the campaign. The agreements, which staffers said were honor-based and never put in writing, reportedly went totally unfulfilled.

“It’s a complete disaster. They use and abuse people,” one ex-staffer reportedly told Post writer Josh Rogin. “The policy office fell apart in August when the promised checks weren’t delivered.”

“There were some people who were treating it as a full-time job,” another told Rogin. “I suspect that those people were quite astonished when the pay didn’t come through.”

A spokesperson for the Trump campaign said that no oral agreements for payment were ever made and that campaign operations naturally shifted to New York City after the RNC.

Trump says report that he failed to pay $287 million debt tied to failing hotel shows he’s a 'smart guy' - Alternet.org ›
Con man to the end: Most of Trump’s 'official election defense fund' to be used for his debts - Alternet.org ›

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.27  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.3.20    4 years ago
There is no longer a reason for far left wing prosecutors to make false accusations to simply make him look bad.

Since they are not false accusations you'll see him prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. One of his coconspirators in a felony campaign finance case has already served time, the prosecutor in that case is just waiting for Trump to leave office so he can be brought to justice. No doubt many more things will be revealed very soon. Trump is nothing but a two bit dumb fuck wannabe mobster who has a long trail of criminal activity that will undoubtedly be uncovered. Anyone thinking it's all false accusations is truly living with their heads stuffed up Trump voluminous ass.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.28  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @3.3.25    4 years ago

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bugsy
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3.3.29  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.26    4 years ago

Sigh...we can do this all night.

These people are making accusations with no proof. If you really look at the accusations, many of them are unknown sources, many of them have been settled. There is even one about illegals, all of whom should 1. never had been in the country, and 2. never deserved to get paid a penny.

You need to get better, John.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.30  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.3.29    4 years ago
many of them have been settled

So do you believe that someone caught cheating others who then pays the fine or settles out of court by paying off their victims is an upstanding citizen who did nothing wrong? Does that say nothing to their character? Is that the type of person you want to put in positions of political power? Really?

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.31  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.30    4 years ago

Nope, it just means there was a dispute in the amount to be paid. Unless you are privy to the cases and have sat in the courtroom, you have no clue and you are only relying on left wing sources.

Sorry for you.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.32  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @3.3.31    4 years ago
Nope, it just means there was a dispute in the amount to be paid.

So I take it you believe OJ Simpson to be an innocent man, he only had to pay civil damages so it was just a "dispute in the amount to be paid" to his victims family, right?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.3.33  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.32    4 years ago

So i take it, Trumpp COULD shoot bugsy on 5th Avenue, and until his dying last breath, bugsy would require MORE PROOF !

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.3.34  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.3.33    4 years ago
Trumpp COULD shoot bugsy on 5th Avenue, and until his dying last breath, bugsy would require MORE PROOF

Apparently as long as you spend millions on good lawyers you're always innocent. No doubt Trumps lawyers would argue he didn't really shoot a person, he just shot a sucker and loser who couldn't get out of the way of the bullet fast enough which wasn't his fault at all...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.35  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.32    4 years ago

Bugsy believes that even if the same person gets sued hundreds of times for lack of payment to vendors, it doesnt mean anything. 

It is hardly worth the breath it takes to type out a reply to these people. It is a total waste of time. But people are allowed to troll Newstalkers so there is nothing we can do. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3.36  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.26    4 years ago
10 People Who Say Trump Has Cheated Them Out of Money

There's a lot more than 10, there's a lot more than 100, but they wanted to keep the article length manageable. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.3.37  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.34    4 years ago
loser who couldn't get out of the way of the bullet fast enough which wasn't his fault at all...

shoddy evasive techniques for sure, 

.

], as some with oblique views, do not have congruence, and all the while, i find their universe nonparallel to reality, while impaled with unbelievable believabilty, that will inevitably be dissed, as Disability will result when gullible fools keep falling for the leaves that others have left present, while past out, as they chase discarded chlorophyll  gatherings, while the LIARS gain wealth via these gatherings, and the peril of the know none betters', as the liars rake in the profits from their prophetic pathetic yarns sewn to truth, while leaving it to be  a spoof, as irregardless of mountains of proof, they're plane and simple, like everything bagels without cream cheese, it's like a deadly disease, that spreads rapidly , due to ignorance, and an abundance is rather apparent, as apparently most don't want to see, that the cold hard winter of the Democratic Violating agitator of harmony, is approaching like the hibernation of a bear emperor who is open about no close to open and shut closed minds who find clothed emperors to be a fairy tail pulled, like a leg attached to a foot, by a rabbit, who pulls a rabid magician out of his hat trick with a yard stick stuck in mud in the back yard to meter the maid in Russian made pols , that cause the third time charm to be luckiest  when unlucky rabbits feats are performed by puppets  strung out on praise that lowers US, like a popped boil that showers puss, n boots to match her professional make up,  as i'm still convinced Prez Putin place, after Peyote laced and faced, probably why Peyton a woman dressed like a Manning, asz Trump caught pass right in the 

face of any reason that left him pist, asz   the World turns and burns    with peril unparalleled, persecuted by an imperial malingering marginal malfeasance, manifested and ministered to the infested, who lick up what should be detested, as they never CONCEDE what should have long been put to rest, as they never seem to pass, on failing the test, flailing all the while, "we need more proof; you don't know that's what he meant," cause so obvious he is always innocent  till proven being ONLY guilty of innocence, and the only ones guilty of in no sense, are his' supporters/defenders, who only tend to support , while all the while,we needed a button to abort, as they defend the Pusher Man who will forever be Velcro'd to buttons he pushed, the zippers he pulled down, and being an Orange Clown who tried to take a country Down, Town to 5th avenue, to show US A ll, how a maniacal mind without remorse code, can tap into an electorate looking for toilets of Gold, and one FULL OF SHIT with soul sold,  piece of ,delivered, unabashed & inflamed, as never seen before, a duck so Orange and LAME !   Defenders & supporters need be ashamed , cause U R to BLAME !!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.3.40  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.26    4 years ago

My cousin's contracting firm was caught up in the Taj Mahal mess,  They are general contractors with flooring, drywall and paint divisions that worked on the offices.

Trump picked the carpeting and paint colors.

They did floors, drop ceilings, drywall and paint.

Signed off, approved by the general contractor before the casino people moved in with their furniture.

Final payment was delayed because Trump didn't like the color, Trump didn't like carpet, Trump pointed out bits of damage to the drywall done after the work had been approved (presumably damage by the office workers themselves)

After some negotiations, in exchange for partial payment on the first contract, my cousins agreed to a second

sweetheart contract to repair the drywall and repaint everything to Trump's new color choice while protecting all of the furniture in place.

For which they received nothing in the end and were put on Trump's "banned vendors" list.

Jersey contractors like their NY counterparts

eventually started calling Trump "80% Don" and started padding their bids/contracts by 25%.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.41  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.3.33    4 years ago
So i take it, Trumpp COULD shoot bugsy on 5th Avenue, and until his dying last breath, bugsy would require MORE PROOF !

Well, that was stupid, but...sources....

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.42  bugsy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.3.34    4 years ago
pparently as long as you spend millions on good lawyers you're always innocent.

No, I said there was never any proof of all these allegations. If there was not a contract, then the plaintiff could say the defendant agreed to 1 million, but the defendant says only 100,000. THAT is why there is a settlement.

I don't know why I respond to such stupidity, but...meh...

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.43  bugsy  replied to  Split Personality @3.3.40    4 years ago
Final payment was delayed because Trump didn't like the color, Trump didn't like carpet, Trump pointed out bits of damage to the drywall done after the work had been approved

Shoddy work?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.44  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @3.3.42    4 years ago
I don't know why I respond to such stupidity, but...meh...

Out of the goodness of your heart--in an unsuccessful effort to educate?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.45  XXJefferson51  replied to  bugsy @3.3.41    4 years ago

Exactly .  Well said.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.46  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.44    4 years ago

That’s something we Trump supporters have in common, a kind good heart.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.47  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.46    4 years ago

A good kind heart that repeatedly labels Harris a 'ho'.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.48  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.3.47    4 years ago

The truth will set you free!  She was, is, and always will be that....

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.3.49  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @3.3.41    4 years ago
Well, that was stupid

figured you might recognize it, cause it reminds me of your NEVER a reasonable doubt as to when it comes to Trump and his 100,000 coincidences, that for you and your 'right' buds, never a correlation created, just denial as stated... 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.3.50  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.48    3 years ago

And you demonstrate to everyone what you mean by 'a kind good heart'.     In your world, those with 'a kind good heart' will cavalierly and repeatedly try to assassinate the character of a woman because she, 25 years ago, had a one year relationship with a man who did something nice for his girlfriend.

Yeah that 'a kind good heart' stuff has no problem with misogyny and bigotry.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.3.51  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.26    3 years ago

I feel sorry for these people but they chose to work for Trump who has a history of stiffing people.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.3.52  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @3.3.31    3 years ago
An analysis by USA Today published in June 2016 found that over the previous three decades, Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court , an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate . [1] Of the 3,500 suits, Trump or one of his companies were plaintiffs in 1,900; defendants in 1,450; and bankruptcy , third party, or other in 150. [1] Trump was named in at least 169 suits in federal court. [2] Over 150 other cases were in the Seventeenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida (covering Broward County, Florida ) since 1983. [3] In the 1,300 cases where the record establishes the outcome, Trump settled 175 times, lost 38, won 450, and had another 137 cases end with some other outcome. In the other 500 cases, judges dismissed plaintiffs' claims against Trump. [1]

Pretty sure that fraud is a crime. Did you forget about the pay for play scheme attached to the Trump U case, that trump lost? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.3.53  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.3.49    3 years ago
figured you might recognize it, cause it reminds me of your NEVER a reasonable doubt as to when it comes to Trump and his 100,000 coincidences, that for you and your 'right' buds, never a correlation created, just denial as stated... 

What??????????????????

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4  Paula Bartholomew    4 years ago

Considering who the people are that admire him, I am less than impressed.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4    4 years ago
Considering who the people are that admire him, I am less than impressed.

I bet we'd be surprised by the number of Americans who admire Hitler. Few conservatives seemed surprised or at all offended by the swastika flags flying along side confederate flags as the tiki torch wielding crowd chanted "Jews will not replace us!" and many defended Trump when he called them "fine people". No doubt many of the 18% who admire Trump have a soft spot in their black hearts for Hitler as well.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  dennis smith @4.1.1    4 years ago
Spinning suits you well.

No spin needed, Nazi's love Trump and for good reason, he speaks to their racist hate and empowers them much like their other hero Hitler did.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.2    4 years ago

Interesting to note the low esteem you hold for so many of your fellow American citizens...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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4.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.4    4 years ago

well, when they claim day in and out that their White Power Knight, can only do what is just and right, sometimes others must try and reach those lost, cause at such a cost, does it 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1    3 years ago

You just made my argument for not being impressed by his admirers.

 
 

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