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I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it an unfair fight.

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  3 years ago  •  110 comments

By:   Chelsea Mitchell

I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it an unfair fight.
It’s discouraging that the federal district court has decided that these experiences — these lost opportunities — simply don’t matter. But I’m not beaten yet. And neither are my fellow female athletes. Through our ADF attorneys, my fellow athletes and I are appealing the federal district court’s ruling. We’re taking our case to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, where we are going to ask once again for the court to recognize our right to fair competition — a right that Title IX...

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This article author is exactly right about this issue.  It’s terrible what is happening to girls and women’s sports and what is being done to title IX.  Thanks for out to Alliance Defending Freedom for taking her case to the higher courts and to USA Today for letting her tell America what is happening to girls and young women in sports.  


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I was the fastest girl in Connecticut. But transgender athletes made it an unfair fight.


When I was forced to race male bodies on the track, colleges didn’t see the fastest female in Connecticut. They saw a second- or third-place runner.


It’s February 2020. I’m crouched at the starting line of the high school girls’ 55-meter indoor race. This should be one of the best days of my life. I’m running in the state championship, and I’m ranked the fastest high school female in the 55-meter dash in the state. I should be feeling confident. I should know that I have a strong shot at winning.

Instead, all I can think about is how all my training, everything I’ve done to maximize my performance, might not be enough, simply because there’s a transgender runner on the line with an enormous physical advantage.

I won that race, and I'm grateful. But time after time, I have lost. I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles , two all-New England awards, and numerous other spots on the podium to transgender runners. I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two transgender runners. With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again.

That’s a devastating experience. It tells me that I’m not good enough; that my body isn’t good enough; and that no matter how hard I work, I am unlikely to succeed, because I’m a woman.

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That experience is why three of my fellow female athletes and I filed a lawsuit last year  with Alliance Defending Freedom against the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC): because girls and women shouldn’t be stripped of their right to fair competition.

The CIAC allows biological males to compete in girls’ and women’s sports . As a result, two transgender athletes began racing in girls’ track in 2017. In the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons alone, these runners took 15 women’s state track championship titles (titles held in 2016 by nine different girls) and more than 85 opportunities to participate in higher level competitions that belonged to female track athletes.

That’s because males have massive physical advantages. Their bodies are simply bigger and stronger on average than female bodies. It’s obvious to every single girl on the track. 


But Connecticut officials are determined to ignore the obvious. And unfortunately, a federal district court recently dismissed our case. The court’s decision to do so tells women and girls that their feelings and opportunities don’t matter, and that they can’t expect anyone to stand up for their dignity and their rights.

Don't ignore the obvious: Transgender athletes deserve compassion, but not the right to transform women's sports

That’s wrong. And it chips away at women’s confidence and our belief in our own abilities.

It’s happened to me over and over. Every time I walk up to the starting line, I try to tell myself that I can overcome the unfair odds — I can win, even though the race is stacked against me.

Hurting female athletes' futures


But besides the psychological toll of experiencing unfair losses over and over, the CIAC’s policy has more tangible harms for women. It robs girls of the chance to race in front of college scouts who show up for elite metes, and to compete for the scholarships and opportunities that come with college recruitment. I’ll never know how my own college recruitment was impacted by losing those four state championship titles. When colleges looked at my record, they didn’t see the fastest girl in Connecticut. They saw a second- or third-place runner.

Retired high school coach: In real life, transgender girls in sports are a non-controversy

And it’s not just happening to me. My friend and fellow plaintiff Selina Soule was bumped from qualifying for the state championship 55-meter final and an opportunity to qualify for the New England championship by a transgender runner in 2019. Meanwhile, Alanna Smith, an incredibly talented female athlete, was the second-place female runner in the 200-meter at the New England Regional Championships, but was dropped to third behind a transgender competitor. 

It’s discouraging that the federal district court has decided that these experiences — these lost opportunities — simply don’t matter.

But I’m not beaten yet. And neither are my fellow female athletes.

Through our ADF attorneys, my fellow athletes and I are appealing the federal district court’s ruling. We’re taking our case to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, where we are going to ask once again for the court to recognize our right to fair competition — a right that Title IX has promised to girls and women for 50 years. And we’re fighting not just for ourselves, but for all female athletes.

So as we prepare for this next step in the case, I’m settling into my starting blocks again, but for a different kind of race. And this time, I’m confident that we can win.

Chelsea Mitchell is an award-winning athlete from Canton High School in Connecticut. She is running track at the collegiate level. 


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

Don't Eliminate Women's Sports

That experience is why three of my fellow female athletes and I filed a lawsuit last year  with Alliance Defending Freedom against the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC): because girls and women shouldn’t be stripped of their right to fair competition.

The CIAC allows biological males to compete in girls’ and women’s sports . As a result, two transgender athletes began racing in girls’ track in 2017. In the 2017, 2018, and 2019 seasons alone, these runners took 15 women’s state track championship titles (titles held in 2016 by nine different girls) and more than 85 opportunities to participate in higher level competitions that belonged to female track athletes.

That’s because males have massive physical advantages. Their bodies are simply bigger and stronger on average than female bodies. It’s obvious to every single girl on the track. 

But Connecticut officials are determined to ignore the obvious. And unfortunately, a federal district court recently dismissed our case. The court’s decision to do so tells women and girls that their feelings and opportunities don’t matter, and that they can’t expect anyone to stand up for their dignity and their rights.

Don't ignore the obvious: Transgender athletes deserve compassion, but not the right to transform women's sports

That’s wrong. And it chips away at women’s confidence and our belief in our own abilities.

It’s happened to me over and over. Every time I walk up to the starting line, I try to tell myself that I can overcome the unfair odds — I can win, even though the race is stacked against me.

Hurting Female Athletes' Futures

But besides the psychological toll of experiencing unfair losses over and over, the CIAC’s policy has more tangible harms for women. It robs girls of the chance to race in front of college scouts who show up for elite metes, and to compete for the scholarships and opportunities that come with college recruitment. I’ll never know how my own college recruitment was impacted by losing those four state championship titles. When colleges looked at my record, they didn’t see the fastest girl in Connecticut. They saw a second- or third-place runner.

And it’s not just happening to me. My friend and fellow plaintiffSelina Soule was bumped from qualifying for the state championship 55-meter final and an opportunity to qualify for the New England championship by a transgender runner in 2019. Meanwhile, Alanna Smith, an incredibly talented female athlete, was the second-place female runner in the 200-meter at the New England Regional Championships, but was dropped to third behind a transgender competitor. 

It’s discouraging that the federal district court has decided that these experiences — these lost opportunities — simply don’t matter.

But I’m not beaten yet. And neither are my fellow female athletes.

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/13076/i-was-the-fastest-girl-in-connecticut-but-transgender-athletes-made-it-an-unfair-fight
 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    3 years ago

HAH!   It's a lie.

From the actual article about the lawsuit :

But Outsports contributor Karleigh Webb disputed two of those claims, providing proof from state competition websites that last year, Mitchell beat all the girls competing in a 100 yard dash, including two trans athletes . Webb also noted Smith won the 400m at the CIAC Open State Championship meet against trans athletes.

So the author Chelsea Mitchell is lying about this story, and the right wing is eating it up without ever fact checking its validity.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago

Get your facts straight.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago
So the author Chelsea Mitchell is lying about this story

She says that she won a race against a trans female athlete right there in the second/third paragraph of the article. All you have to do is read. She didn’t lie about it at all.

. . . there’s a transgender runner on the line with an enormous physical advantage. I won that race, and I'm grateful.

Try reading the article.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.2    3 years ago

Don't you know that 1 win is equal to 6 straight losses?

That beating one male athlete once, in the very beginning of the law taking affect, is the same as losing to two male athletes consistently.

The left cares about women; until they don't. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 years ago

The right rarely if ever fact checks anything.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 years ago

I would be shocked if a 17 or 18 year old girl actually wrote the seeded article. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago
I would be shocked if a 17 or 18 year old girl actually wrote the seeded article.

With no corroborating evidence, I'm not even sure I believe the story.  Sounds like sour grapes for not winning a race.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1    3 years ago

I’m sure that USA Today can figure out if she actually wrote the article they printed in their news 📰 paper.  

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.1    3 years ago
I’m sure that USA Today can figure out if she actually wrote the article they printed in their news 📰 paper.

It was an opinion not a news article, and I just linked an actual article about this lawsuit.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1    3 years ago
With no corroborating evidence, I'm not even sure I believe the story.

You seriously need to read the content before commenting. You’re shooting your mouth off all over this seed about  things you would know you were getting wrong if only you had read the article.

The article is full of links that turn the text blue here on NT and create blue underlines on the USA Today site.

For example, where she writes,

I’m ranked the fastest high school female in the 55-meter dash in the state. 

there is a link to this article:

Mitchell, the fastest girl in Connecticut, wins State Open title in 55 meters

And where she writes this,

I’ve lost four women’s state championship titles

there is a link to this story:

‘Frustrating and Disheartening’: 3 Girls, Losing to Biological Males in Track, Announce Lawsuit

There are several links in the article for the various claims she makes. All you have to do it read it and follow the links.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    3 years ago

She’s an actual plaintiff in the case and wrote a well researched article with plenty of supporting links.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

She’s competing in college now.  She was writing about her experiences In Connecticut as a female high school athlete.  Way to question the intelligence and writing abilities of a young woman… 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2    3 years ago

She may have contributed to the points made in the article, but it is too professionally written to have been done solely by an 18 year old girl.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 years ago

Would you say the same thing if she were Black?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 years ago

I would hope that she had other people read the column before submitting so they could spot errors or suggest better ways of phrasing something. Anyone who has their writing published should be doing the same.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.2.4  pat wilson  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.1    3 years ago

It was most likely written by one of the ADF attorneys.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  pat wilson @2.2.4    3 years ago
It was most likely written by one of the ADF attorneys.

Either that or a staff writer for USA Today ghost wrote it. . 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.5    3 years ago

mere speculation

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    3 years ago

Meant to diminish the young woman who wrote the article and experienced the setbacks of having to compete against young men in her sport.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

Why? High school kids can’t be good writers?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @2.3    3 years ago

18 or 19 year olds dont talk like that, although I will say its not impossible she wrote it all herself, I just seriously doubt it. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.1    3 years ago

I think you haven’t met enough 18 or 19 year olds. There are some very smart, articulate young people in the world.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.2    3 years ago

I am not questioning the girl's intelligence, but I think it is fairly obvious that a teenager didnt write that column by themselves. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.4  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    3 years ago

It is truly not obvious to me.

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23 Writers Who Were Famous by Age 23

Anyway, what do you mean by “by themselves?” Whenever I write anything that will be submitted for an important audience, I get other people to read and give me feedback. That doesn’t diminish the composition.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.3.5  pat wilson  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.4    3 years ago

You're starting to sea lion.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.6  Tacos!  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.5    3 years ago

Exactly how do you figure?

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.3.7  pat wilson  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.6    3 years ago

Lol...not playin'

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.3    3 years ago

Chelsea Mitchell

60m - 7.77; 100m - 11.67; 200m - 24.79; Long Jump - 19-8.25

Prep
Runner-up in the Emerging Elite Long Jump at the 2019 New Balance Outdoor Nationals ... New England Champion in the 100m in 2019 as well ... Named the Connecticut State Track Athlete of the Year following those performances ... As a senior in the winter of 2020, ranked No. 3 in the nation in the long jump ... Named a prep All-American by the NSAF ... Won 11 Connecticut State Championships at Canton ... Three of her state titles were in the open (all-divisions) category in addition to eight in her division ... Won the state open title in the 55m dash as senior in 2020 ... Also won the state open championship outdoors in the 100m in 2019, and indoors in the long jump in 2019 ... Won the divisional 100m in 2018 ... Added the 200m and 4x100m outdoor championships that year as well ... In 2019, won the long jump in her division both indoors and outdoors ... Swept the divisional titles in the 55m, 300m, and the long jump in 2020 ... Earned 16 all-state honors overall ... Member of the Rho Kappa Honor Society ... Won the Outstanding Academic Excellence Award from Canton.
 
Personal
Daughter of Christina and Douglas Mitchell ... Sister, Emily, competed in track & field at Muhlenberg ... Enjoys swimming, reading, hiking, outdoorsy activities, and spending time with family and friends.

https://tribeathletics.com/sports/womens-track-and-field/roster/chelsea-mitchell/11498
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.5    3 years ago

No, he’s not.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.5    3 years ago

He's a pro at that!

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.11  Tacos!  replied to  pat wilson @2.3.7    3 years ago

Then maybe you shouldn’t troll on by with random accusations if you’re not prepared to support them.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.12  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.10    3 years ago

Look who’s talking.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.3.9    3 years ago

Yup.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.12    3 years ago

One time I mistakenly said you said something you didn't ONE TIME . 

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.15  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.14    3 years ago

It’s ok. I’m not keeping score.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.16  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.15    3 years ago

Neither am I but you've got a lot of nerve to say 'look who's talking'

You can have the last word now

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.3.17  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.16    3 years ago

I do have a lot of nerve!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.3.18  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.17    3 years ago

Okay, now you can have the last word.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.4  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

I would be shocked if Barack Obama ever wrote one damn word for any of his books.

I would be even more shocked if Donald Trump did.

Which doesn't matter one damn bit as to the content of this article just like your statement. Ignoring the content to attack the author is bush league.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.4    3 years ago

WTF does President Obama have to do with this?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.4.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @2.4.1    3 years ago

Nothing.  It is his standard MO....deflection.

 
 
 
evilone
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3  evilone    3 years ago
I won that race, and I'm grateful.

So you can beat a transgirl. What's the issue?

I was bumped to third place in the 55-meter dash in 2019, behind two transgender runners.

So? Were you never beaten by a non-transgirl?

With every loss, it gets harder and harder to try again.

Poor poor baby... Here's a participation trophy! 

That’s a devastating experience. It tells me that I’m not good enough; that my body isn’t good enough; and that no matter how hard I work, I am unlikely to succeed, because I’m a woman.

So a transgirl can't compete in your sport because you feel bad? Actual hard data in track and field shows trans athletes have no advantage or disadvantage against others in their sport, but you feel special? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @3    3 years ago
So you can beat a transgirl. What's the issue?

Obviously that "transgirl" was not the top runner while still a 'boy" and made the decided move to compete with girls thinking he/she would stand a better chance at winning. Girl dashed the boys dreams.

Poor poor baby... Here's a participation trophy! 

Doesn't sound like a Democrat who needs a participation trophy just for showing  up to me. Sounds dedicated and wishing to reap the rewards she has worked for a lot of her life.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    3 years ago
Obviously that "transgirl" was not the top runner while still a 'boy" and made the decided move to compete with girls thinking he/she would stand a better chance at winning. Girl dashed the boys dreams.

You are saying a dude became a "girl" in order to win high school track meets?  When everyone who made the tiniest inquiry would know that was what led to the victory?   I find that extremely hard to believe. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    3 years ago
Obviously that "transgirl" was not the top runner while still a 'boy" and made the decided move to compete with girls thinking he/she would stand a better chance at winning.

You get all that from a story, not by the trans-gendered girl?  I think you are reading a lot into the story that you WANT to be in the story.  Truth be damned.

Sounds dedicated and wishing to reap the rewards she has worked for a lot of her life.

Actually it sounds like a bunch of sour grapes.  Not only was she beaten by a trans-gendered girl ( if you believe her ), but she was beaten by another girl as well.  Sounds like she trying to find someone else to blame for her not winning....  Which would put her in the republican mindset.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.1.3  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1    3 years ago
Obviously that "transgirl" was not the top runner while still a 'boy" and made the decided move to compete with girls thinking he/she would stand a better chance at winning.

Really? The actual data in track and field done by medical science shows that to be false. These girls go through months and years of therapy and drug therapy. But hey, you believe that losing the testicles and growing breasts was only to game the high school sports system, huh?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.2    3 years ago

Women should not have to compete in sports with men operating under the mental delusion that they are actually a girl.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    3 years ago
Women should not have to compete in sports with men operating under the mental delusion that they are actually a girl.  

It is so rare USA Today has a feature article about it. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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3.1.6  Hallux  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    3 years ago

Shut up Hal!

Okay Lux.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @3.1.3    3 years ago
 These girls go through months and years of therapy and drug therapy. Bullshit! I doubt the average high school "female wannabe" has had any treatment or therapy

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.5    3 years ago

It’s not rare to the girls/ young women directly impacted by it.  More blue states are going that way while red ones are banning the possibility of it happening to their girls.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.2    3 years ago

A girl works and trains her whole life to be the best in her sport in her state and then when she’s at the top of her sport they let boys compete in girls sports as well as having their own competitions.  She has every right to be upset.  There is no way a physical man should compete as a woman in women’s sports no matter what his brain is supposedly telling him.  

 
 
 
FortunateSon
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3.1.10  FortunateSon  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    3 years ago
 with men operating under the mental delusion that they are actually a girl

Bingo.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    3 years ago

"You are saying a dude became a "girl" in order to win high school track meets?  When everyone who made the tiniest inquiry would know that was what led to the victory?   I find that extremely hard to believe."

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I find it ridiculous!

"Doesn't sound like a Democrat who needs a participation trophy just for showing  up to me. Sounds dedicated and wishing to reap the rewards she has worked for a lot of her life."

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Paula Bartholomew
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3.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.1    3 years ago

People think that if someone wants gender reassignment they just go on in to a hospital and get it done.  A person has to do months of hormone replacement therapy and psychological counseling.  No person would be approved it their reason was just to win a track meet.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @3    3 years ago
So you can beat a transgirl. What's the issue?
Transgirls are not girls

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.3  Tacos!  replied to  evilone @3    3 years ago
So a transgirl can't compete in your sport because you feel bad?

Is that really how you understand the situation? Which part of “unfair advantage” do you not understand? 

Do you know baseball at all? Barry Bonds played with the unfair advantage of steroids. That didn’t mean he won every game or hit a home run every time he went to bat, but only an idiot would argue that he didn’t have an unfair advantage.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.3.1  evilone  replied to  Tacos! @3.3    3 years ago
Which part of “unfair advantage” do you not understand? 

I'm tired of the bigotry on constant display here on the site. It's disgusting! Show me the medical research to back you up here. I laid out links to medical research in the last article posted on this subject.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @3.3.1    3 years ago

wanting a level playing field isn't bigotry.

 
 
 
evilone
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3.3.3  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.2    3 years ago
wanting a level playing field isn't bigotry.

It is when the science shows the playing field is level. It is when those that insist it's just a dude that's gaming a system or mentally unfit. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @3.3.3    3 years ago

the playing field isn't level if males are competing against females.

seriously. you don't think a male, generally speaking, doesn't have an advantage over females?

 
 
 
evilone
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3.3.5  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.4    3 years ago
the playing field isn't level if males are competing against females

When you find evidence of actual males competing against females I'll agree with you. This article isn't talking about that. It's talking about trans-females.

Supporters of these bills say they are meant to eliminate any competitive advantage that transgender athletes may have. So I'd like to ask you if there is data on this and what does it show?

We know that men have, on average, an advantage in performance in athletics of about 10% to 12% over women, which the sports authorities have attributed to differences in levels of a male hormone called testosterone. But the question is whether there is in real life, during actual competitions, an advantage of performance linked to this male hormone and whether trans athletes are systematically winning all competitions. The answer to this latter question, are trans athletes winning everything, is simple — that's not the case. And higher levels of the male hormone testosterone are associated with better performance only in a very small number of athletic disciplines: 400 meters, 800 meters, hammer throw, pole vault — and it certainly does not explain the whole 10% difference.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @3.3.5    3 years ago

born a male, always a male.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @3.3.5    3 years ago

You know with all this nonsense about trans females/athletes - you'd think there were transgenders EVERYWHERE on EVERY SPORTS TEAM OUT THERE competing..

More 'much ado about nothing'

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.3.8  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.6    3 years ago

Like usual you got nothing. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.3.9  evilone  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.7    3 years ago
You know with all this nonsense about...

Haters gotta hate.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @3.3.8    3 years ago

lol, sure

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @3.3.1    3 years ago
"I'm tired of the bigotry on constant display here on the site. It's disgusting! Show me the medical research to back you up here. I laid out links to medical research in the last article posted on this subject."
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Note how there are only several folks here that post these bigoted articles.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @3.3.9    3 years ago

See it every day here by the usual suspects.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.3.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  evilone @3.3.1    3 years ago

What about "unfair advantage" when men take steroids to play pro ball or to bulk up for weight lifting competitions?  Even Arnold S admitted to doing it but quit decades ago.  How is that fair to the men who put in just plain hard work and dedication to achieve the strength and bodies they need.  I dare certain people here to defend this simply because they are men.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.3.13    3 years ago

and that us why most if not all major sports federations have random drug testing.

of course, this is comparing apples to washers.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.3.15  Tacos!  replied to  evilone @3.3.1    3 years ago

There’s no bigotry. No one cares what these people do with their lives, how they express their feelings about sex and gender, or whether or not they pursue hormone treatments or surgery. No one cares about any of that. What they care about is fair competition and a chance for girls to achieve success in competition against other girls. This is not an attack on transgendered people. It’s a defense of fair treatment for girls.

Show me the medical research to back you up here. I laid out links to medical research in the last article posted on this subject.

Oh, are we supposed to go hunting through the lame search engine of this site to try and verify this? That’s not going to happen. If you have links you want people to look at, post them here. I have also posted links on past stories that support my position, but I don’t expect you to have memorized them. It’s a pretty arrogant double standard to demand I show you links when you aren’t showing me any.

Nevertheless, here’s a few for you:

Muscle strength, size and composition following 12 months of gender-affirming treatment in transgender individuals: retained advantage for the transwomen

and

Effect of gender affirming hormones on athletic performance in transwomen and transmen: implications for sporting organisations and legislators

( From a report on the above study ) But the study findings indicate that while hormone treatment was associated with changes in athletic performance, transgender women still retained a competitive advantage 2 years later.

...

After 2 years of feminising therapy the differences in push-up and sit-up performance had disappeared. But trans women were still 12% faster than other women .

These studies show that even when you treat biological females with hormones to make them more man-like (aka trans men), and biological males treated with female hormones to make them more woman-like (aka trans women), even after two years those trans women were still stronger or faster than biological women, but also even stronger or faster than the biological women who have been trying to transition to being male.

The most recent scholarship indicates that even after three years of treatment, advantages remain.

Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage

Superior anthropometric, muscle mass and strength parameters achieved by males at puberty, and underpinning a considerable portion of the male performance advantage over females, are not removed by the current regimen of testosterone suppression permitting participation of transgender women in female sports categories. Rather, it appears that the male performance advantage remains substantial.

and

How does hormone transition in transgender women change body composition, muscle strength and haemoglobin? Systematic review with a focus on the implications for sport participation

Hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM [lean body mass] and muscle area, yet values remain above that observed in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy .

And in the Connecticut story we don’t even have any evidence that these trans male athletes have been through any treatment at all.

Given time, hormone treatment can change a body some , but it doesn’t change everything about the male body that gives advantages over females in athletics.

Consider the skeleton, for example.  No amount of hormone treatments is going to undo the development of the pelvis, and this construction is markedly different in males and females. In a male, the pelvis forms in such a way as to allow the legs to grow more directly underneath the rest of the body, making males more efficient runners. Males also develop larger hands and feet, which benefit them athletically. They also develop longer limbs relative to the rest of their body, allowing them to generate greater leverage. So even if muscle mass can be reduced, a trans female athlete will still be able to maintain longer muscles for her frame than a biological female and employ superior leverage for moving feet and legs.

Additionally, males develop larger hearts and lungs relative to the rest of the body than females do, allowing them to process oxygen more efficiently. Those organs don’t simply shrink to female-size because a man starts taking hormones.

Can we - through hormone treatments - make a male more like a female? Absolutely! But they will always retain certain physical advantages over biological females, making their participation in competitive sports unfair. This is why several professional female athletes have come out against the practice of allowing trans males to compete against girls. It’s also why Caitlin Jenner (formerly Decathlon gold-medalist Bruce) is against it. And I would think he is in a position to understand whether or not he has retained the physical advantages of male development.

Again, it’s not about anti-trans bigotry. It’s about defending female athletes.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.3.16  evilone  replied to  Tacos! @3.3.15    3 years ago
No one cares what these people do with their lives,

With all these bills it sounds like they do.

What they care about is fair competition and a chance for girls to achieve success in competition against other girls. This is not an attack on transgendered people. It’s a defense of fair treatment for girls.

How is it only now this has become an issue? If it were about fairness with girls how come these same conservative states aren't also making a push to categorize cheerleading a sport? I mean if it's to treat girls fairly and all.

A federal appeals court ruled that colleges cannot count competitive cheerleading as a sport when trying to comply with gender-equity requirements, upholding a United States District Court decision against Quinnipiac University.

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And in the Connecticut story we don’t even have any evidence that these trans male athletes have been through any treatment at all.

People aren't trans unless they are, or have, gone through treatment. If they don't go through treatment they, in my opinion, should not compete. Actually they should be allow to participate, but not be given placement, ribbons or trophies.

Given time, hormone treatment can change a body some , but it doesn’t change everything about the male body that gives advantages over females in athletics.

Correct, and that is why I've stuck to the topic in the article about track and field. That distinction is also made in all the data I've ever link to.

A study of transgender women found their race times slowed after transitioning, but their age grades, which compare people to the best runners of the same sex and age, hardly changed, suggesting they have no advantage over non-transgender women.

The woman doing the study is trans and a proponent of only allowing transitioned people compete as well.

Again, it’s not about anti-trans bigotry. It’s about defending female athletes.

Kudos for actually posting links. I WILL read them when I'm not working...  When people post bullshit about "born a man, always a man" or "mental defects" or "some guy just wants to win" - IT MOST DEFINATLY IS anti-trans bigotry.

FYI - transgender people make up less than 2% of the population, and trans kids are one-sixth as likely as cisgender kids to go out for school sports. This translates into less than 50 trans high school athletes total nation wide - break that down between trans sexes and further into individual sports and were barely into double digits on this one topic. Fuck yeah its so much of a problem we're making laws to ban one or two kids in a few states from participating in something they find happiness in. In a world that keeps trying to fuck them over every day of their lives. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.17  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @3.3.16    3 years ago

Born a man, die a man sounds perfectly reasonable.

If you are born a man, how do you become something different? Just because you get your dick cut off doesn't make you a woman, nor does hormone therapy. When a trans can have a period or get pregnant, let me know and I will sincerely look to change my statement.

One thing, not everyone who disagrees with you is a bigot, despite what you wrote. That's just a cheap way to disparage those who aren't in lockstep with your way of thinking. It is intellectually dishonest and lazy as hell.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.3.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.17    3 years ago

Bravo!  So very well and effectively said. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
3.3.19  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.17    3 years ago
One thing, not everyone who disagrees with you is a bigot, despite what you wrote.

People disagree with me all the time and I don't ever have to call them bigots. I do call out ignorant bigotry when someone come up with

Born a man, die a man sounds perfectly reasonable. 

It is evident you don't know what you're talking about and can only speak emotionally on this issue rather than look to experts on physiology, biology and phycology. Bigots couldn't stop same sex marriage, they won't stop people transitioning. Under the Constitution and laws of our great nation people can't discriminate against a class of people because they don't like them. We are not yet a facisist theocracy. 

Furthermore where this not about bigotry, but states still thought trans track athletes had any advantage they would bring in real experts to craft a policy that would address the issue of the advantage and not an outright ban.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.3.20  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @3.3.19    3 years ago

bigotry?

you crack me up!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
4  Thrawn 31    3 years ago

Make/female sports need to be separated by your sex, not gender. I don’t really care if you identify as a girl, if your sex is male you are competing with males.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
4.1  Tacos!  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    3 years ago

That’s the whole thing. It has always been based on biology. Now, people want to act like that’s not even a factor.

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
4.2  pat wilson  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    3 years ago

I agree. 

“Transwomen are currently mandated by World Athletics and the International Olympic Committee to have 1 year of testosterone suppression before being permitted to compete at the elite level,” Roberts said. “This may be too short if the aim is a level playing field.”

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    3 years ago

I dont like transgenders competing in high school girls sports.

But the fact is it is rare , and other protections related to sexual identity should not be held hostage to the rare instance of a "boy" playing in girls sports. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
4.3.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3    3 years ago

Oh I am not saying that protections for transgender folks and all that should be rolled back or attacked. 

Literally all I am saying is that sports need to be segregated by sex, not gender.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3    3 years ago

Girls who think they are a guy aren’t going to affect the competitive balance in boys or men’s sports to even close to the extent of the opposite.  We are going to see a man compete against women in the olympics in a couple months at weight lifting.  In high school and college men posing as if they are  young woman have severely injured actual female wrestlers 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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4.3.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.3.1    3 years ago

Have you ever heard of Tami Maita aka The Quarterback Princess?  She wanted to play quarterback for the high school football team. However, because she is a girl, everyone from the coach to her next door neighbor is against her. Tami goes out to prove that not only can she play football but she can win the state championship.  Not only does Tami succeed, she also became the homecoming princess.  She clearly had the ability and the talent.  Would you have denied her the right to play simply because of her sex and a girl playing in a boy's sport?

Then there is Mo'Ne Davis -- Little League World Series star
Davis became a baseball sensation for her amazing pitching in the 2014 Little League World Series. Throwing a 70 mph fastball for her Philadelphia team, Davis became the first girl to pitch a shutout in Little League World Series history.  She was a girl playing in a "boy's" sport.  Should she have been denied due to her sex?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.3.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3.3    3 years ago

I liked that movie.  I have no problem at all with girls or young women wanting to compete in those sports if their athletic ability merits it.  The young ladies doing this aren’t pretending to be young men, only trying to compete against them on their own merit.  

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
4.4  evilone  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4    3 years ago
I don’t really care if you identify as a girl...

We aren't talking about cross dressing. Simply "identifying" does not make one trans. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5  Freefaller    3 years ago
I Was The Fastest Girl In Connecticut. But Transgender Athletes Made It An Unfair Fight.

No one ever said life is fair, train harder, longer, smarter until you can take the podium (because no one is ever going to hand it to you)

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Freefaller @5    3 years ago

would you tell that to a bantam weight fighter if his opponent was a heavyweight?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 years ago
would you tell that to a bantam weight fighter if his opponent was a heavyweight?

I'll also bet he doesn't say that to any other group that claims to be  disadvantaged. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 years ago

If the bantam weight wants to fight a heavyweight? Sure why not?  Though I have my doubts I'll ever know a bantam weight fighter.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.2    3 years ago

I see the point has completely and utterly eluded you.

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.4  Freefaller  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.1    3 years ago

Why not give an example Sean and we'll see what happens

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
5.1.5  evilone  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 years ago
would you tell that to a bantam weight fighter if his opponent was a heavyweight

Moving the goal posts again? Wrestling isn't the topic. The topic is track and field. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  evilone @5.1.5    3 years ago

principle is the same.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @5.1.5    3 years ago

Not the same principle at all.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.3    3 years ago

Indeed.  One of the best female track stars in the olympics set a world record in her sport and that year 20 high school young men across America beat her time.  That’s why high school girls like the former one who wrote this article have a legitimate grievance here. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.8    3 years ago

Only idiots can't see that males have the advantage in a pretty big way.

Florence Griffith Joyner was 29 years old when she set the record that dozens and dozens of high school boys have beaten since.

And her Olympic record was slower than her world record.

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.10  Freefaller  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.3    3 years ago

Ahh snark and a thinly veiled insult.  Classic Texan

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.10    3 years ago

There was absolutely nothing veiled in my post.

Truth may hurt.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.9    3 years ago

Exactly.  Why have the progressive left turned against girls and women in their effort to undo the accomplishments of title IX.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
Professor Quiet
5.1.13  Freefaller  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.11    3 years ago

LMAO you are funny in your predictable way.  Let me know if you decide to say something pertinent.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.13    3 years ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Freefaller @5.1.13    3 years ago

why, can't you recognize something without someone telling you?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.15    3 years ago

Breitbart has an article about the hate filled rage and bitter anger on Twitter directed at Chelsea for standing up for young women, for USA Today for publishing her article above and for Alliance Defending Freedom for taking on her case in court.  Some pretty vitriolic stuff.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6  Buzz of the Orient    3 years ago

If a transgirl's physique and stamina are more in line with a male's then maybe they should compete with men instead of women.  On the other hand, if the reason they "transed" is because their physique and stamina were more in line with a female's, then what's the problem?  The problem here is, who makes the decision?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6.1  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    3 years ago
If a transgirl's physique and stamina are more in line with a male's then maybe they should compete with men instead of women.

This one seems like an easy call.

original

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @6.1    3 years ago

One would think that it would be an easy call.  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
8  Hal A. Lujah    3 years ago

Maybe humans are overly competitive to begin with.  I laugh at overzealous competitiveness every day.  I’ve got a friend who is absolutely obsessed with watching sports.  He spends thousands of dollars a year traveling to sports events of all sorts, tailgates, gambles on sports, etc..  I went to one of his kid’s soccer games and he spent most of the time pacing back and forth screaming, then left in a fowl mood because they lost.  What a miserable existence.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

It’s sad to note that in subsequent issues and on the record USA Today caved in and censored Chelsea’s words. What’s now at the link and what’s the original seeded here is not the same.  Fortunately, her legal team, Alliance Defending Freedom has preserved her original words.  

 
 

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