Study shows hydroxychloroquine and zinc treatments increased coronavirus survival rate by almost three times
By: Andrew Mark Miller (MSN)
And once again, the nay sayers lose. What say you now all of you here that poo pooed this treatment?
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A new study shows that the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine touted by former President Donald Trump increased the survival rate of severely ill coronavirus patients.
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The observational study, published by medRxiv, found that antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, along with zinc, could increase the coronavirus survival rate by as much as nearly 200% if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.
"We found that when the cumulative doses of two drugs, HCQ and AZM, were above a certain level, patients had a survival rate 2.9 times the other patients," the study's conclusion states.
The study adds, "By using causal analysis and considering of weight-adjusted cumulative dose, we prove the combined therapy, >3 g HCQ and > 1g AZM greatly increases survival in Covid patients on IMV and that HCQ cumulative dose > 80 mg/kg works substantially better. These data do not yet apply to hospitalized patients not on IMV. Since those with higher doses of HCQ had higher doses of AZM, we cannot solely attribute the causal effect to HCQ/AZM combination therapy. However, it is likely AZM does contribute significantly to this increase in survival rate. Since higher dose HCQ/AZM therapy improves survival by nearly 200% in this population, the safety data are moot."
The study was conducted by Saint Barnabas Medical Center in New Jersey on 255 patients.
Dating back to last spring, then-president Trump openly touted the effectiveness of the drug and even took it himself. It earned him pushback from medical experts, including his own White House coronavirus team member Dr. Anthony Fauci, and political pundits who dismissed his claims and maintained the drug was ineffective.
Last summer, Twitter restricted the account of Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr., after he posted a video of doctors touting the effectiveness of the drug. The social media platform accused him of "spreading misleading and potentially harmful misinformation" related to the coronavirus.
In March of this year, the World Health Organization warned against using the drug to prevent the coronavirus, citing data suggesting it was ineffective.
Some conservatives have taken to social media and used the study to defend Trump, including Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who called out Fauci for his previous comments about the drug.
"How many people died bc Dr. Fauci said trust the science and Hydroxychloroquine isn't effective?" Greene tweeted. "New study shows: Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin therapy at a higher dose improved survival by nearly 200% in ventilated COVID patients. Trump was right. "
How many people died bc Dr. Fauci said trust the science and Hydroxychloroquine isn't effective?
New study shows:
Hydroxychloroquine + Azithromycin therapy at a higher dose improved survival by nearly 200% in ventilated COVID patients.
Trump was right.https://t.co/Ya8P9gdKx2
— Marjorie Taylor Greene (@mtgreenee) June 9, 2021
Several other studies released since last year have come to the same conclusion that hydroxychloroquine can be effective in certain situations against the coronavirus, including a December study from the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents showing 84% fewer hospitalizations among patients treated with the drug.
Another study, conducted by Hackensack Meridian Health, found encouraging results in patients with mild symptoms who were treated with the drug.
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Once again, those who throw out possibilities because of who threw them out do so at their own peril. I am selling towels for those of you who need to clean the egg from your face. Just PN me.
And when you do, please submit how you would like your crow prepared.
Sounds like this study is a bunch of nonsense.
The study only has a sample study of 255. That is not a big sample from which to draw a reasonable conclusion. Also, It has not been peer reviewed. Until it is, one should take the study with a grain of salt. That said, the study should be repeated with a larger sample size and at multiple medical centers.
According to the NIH, Hydroxychloroquine has only been shown to have a positive effect when taken early in the covid disease process and in an outpatient setting. If one is on a ventilator, chances are it's too late for HCQ to have a significant effect. However, other studies (also with limited sample sizes) combining HCQ & AZM have shown a reduction in viral loads and reduced hospital mortalities. But such studies did call for repeat studies for verification of the study findings. Of course, there are many factors to consider which might affect the efficacy of HCQ &/or AZM, such as: individual health history & comorbidities, severity of the Covid infection, duration of infection, complications related to Covid, overall health & nutrition status, ect..
It's a preprint and not a peer-reviewed study, and the publisher ( medRxiv ) says this on their website:
We are learning more every day. I only hope the historians will record that all the opposition to this drug being used to treat those who became infected with covid at a time when we had no vaccine or even a hope of one, was simply because Donald Trump endorsed it!
EXACTLY!!
antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, along with zinc, could increase the coronavirus survival rate by as much as nearly 200% if distributed at higher doses to ventilated patients with a severe version of the illness.
Dating back to last spring, then-president Trump openly touted the effectiveness of the drug and even took it himself.
Lol. Are you trying to put lipstick on a pig?
Now why are you trying to butcher what isn't there..........you left this little bit out.
It's 200% on those on a ventilator
"patients had a survival rate 2.9 times the other patients" and that says nothing about ventilators. Wanna tell the class what percentage is the equivalent of 2.9 times?
Thanks,
A study of 255 patients is not statistically significant on a disease that has such widely varying impacts on millions of infected people. [unnecessary commentary]
Nope, this study doesn't mean diddly.
Being determined to following the guidelines - strict lockdown (NOT ending it too soon), wearing a mask, social distancing and washing with proper disinfectant, and being more concerned about others than about oneself works SO MUCH BETTER than anything else, and means no hospitals, ventilators, or fancy medications with long names.
Not exporting a virus to the world that kills millions works better than anything else.
If trumpturd hadn't ignored, downplayed it, didn't do shit - over 500,000 here in the US would still be alive.
It's no wonder assaults/hate crimes against Asians are so high with that hateful nonsense you spew.
I thought he got a vaccine developed in a record 10 months - something Dr Fauci claimed was "unlikely." I know he probably saved my life.
He didn't do shit. He didn't save your life. The scientists and researchers and those who developed the vaccine and folks like Dr. Fauci are the ones who saved your life.
The scientists and researchers would still be waiting for the slow, methodical and deliberative FDA, had it not been for the cutting of regulations.
I would really like to see the statistics you have on that claim. Just looking at VRR (vital records review) you could trim that number back by more than half. Here in Michigan VRR was upwards of 75% of the daily recorded Covid deaths. To become a VRR covid death number, you just had to have tested positive within 30 days of your death (even if by accidental death in some cases). Last year, about this time, we had a friend who was 98 years old in the nursing home to ease his suffering until his death tested positive for covid before he passed, his death certificate lists covid as the cause of death instead of multiple organ failures due to old age. So how many people with life threatening conditions and diseases got tested regularly in fear of covid and then died from the what they had, but had nothing to do with covid, in other words died with it not from it?
That seems like a bit of a simplistic approach. How in the hell are people supposed to live their lives under a strict lockdown? There is no WAY that all of those practices would completely mitigate the virus. Two weeks is not enoiugh and there will always be the need for someone, somewhere, with something will be needed from the outside world to aid survival of the "lockdownees". And no guarantee that they won't introduce it to those locked down. It can't be stopped with just the guidelines. This is like a water leak. You may think you pinpointed the spot of the leak when indeed it is several feet away. Water travels like that and the spot on your ceiling may be coming from the opposite end of your house.
Where I am it worked. Simplistic or not, it worked. And we're still careful here. I still can't go into my bank unless I'm wearing a mask and my temp is taken. I still can't get on a bus or subway without wearing a mask. And there haven't been any cases here for about a year save for a few imported ones and they were dealt with properly. Everything is open and operating - schools, stores, theatres, etc. In the City-State in which I live with 32 million people (almost the population of all of Canada) there were 693 cases, 6 deaths, and everyone else recovered. I have two doctor friends here, one a front line hospital worker and I know they would not lie to me and they know the figures and verified what was reported.
Probably because you live basically in the place of origin and at least China caught it way early......and then of course some of the Chinese people, after being home for some celebration, went back to Italy, and I am sure other places for their Italian garment work and once out of China, the proverbial shit hit the fan.
So the pictures of the rock concert in China last summer was propaganda, an "in your face" to the USA, in which there was no one wearing a mask, which I found amusing, because before the covid you always seen several Chinese with masks on which made the pictures of that concert unbelievable to me.
The US was infiltrated by thousands of cases before we even knew what we were dealing with, unlike your 32 million people city which was cut off from Wuhan, the US and other countries were not cut off until Trump cut off China but the European countries didn't allowing the flow from China into their countries and also allowing those fleeing to the US a way to still get here.
Now something interesting happened here in Michigan, Whitmer, doing her best to be contrary to Trump, shut down Michigan panicking the residents of the southern cities where the virus was becoming prevalent and fearing her next move would be restricting their movement, those that could, fled north to their vacation properties effectively spreading the virus to the rest of Michigan causing the unneeded deaths from covid in northern Michigan.
Propaganda? Seems to me there probably isn't a country in the world that doesn't use propaganda, so maybe it was.
IMO, what pretty well contained the virus in China as compared to the lack of containment in the USA was a few different factors. Most important was the difference in the attitudes of the people, followed by the universality of reaction compared to patchwork quilt, and the consequence of (admitted) delay.
I just had a second thought about this, and altough I don't believe China did the big swim or concert, whatever it was, for the purpose of thumbing its nose at other countries, I believe they did it to indicate to the Chinese people generally that the virus was pretty well defeated, and that the people could live normal lives again.
The standard course of treatment when I was in the hospital for 8 days with Covid last fall....
Dexamethsone, a steroid that reduces inflammation, and
Remdesiver, a broad spectrum antiviral
Both meds have been around for quite awhile
They appear to have worked....and yes, I followed the protocols and still caught it.
As did I.
I had both of the treatments you shared and I was in for 16 days. The Remdesivir was a 10 day treatment and I don't remember how many days I had the Dexamethsone. The first week was quite a bit of a fog.
I'm glad you two survived and are back with us. And I'm even happier that I didn't catch that virus myself. It helps a lot that I'm a home-body from way back when. I missed not going out to dinner with friends but got over it, still miss Vegas (havn't been back yet but work has been absolutely nuts) and that I have a job where I am able to work from home every day. Add to that my children are all grown and out of the house so it's just me here.
But yes, I'm happy you two are still with us..
Thanks Snuffy. It is a pleasure to still be here after my bout.
Pfizer was the 1st vaccine out, and was not part of Operation Warp Drive. Which means the Operation Warp Drive vaccines were SLOWER to come out.
Plus, all Operation Warp Drive did was give money to the already filthy rich pharmaceutical companies, then approve the vaccines for emergency usage AFTER they were created.
Pfizer didn't need the money. Read ALL the narrative.
And it's Operation Warp SPEED not drive........................
You cannot achieve Warp Speed without Warp Drive ...
Hey, give me better credit for a necessary conversation ender.
Which totally ignores the fact that without Operation Warp SPEED, they still developed the vaccine faster than those who accepted Operation Warp SPEED money.
You are correct. Wow, that doesn't happen often.......
Lighten up Francis. That was funny.
So what's your point? The drug combo had a climatically significant positive effect.
Did it rain in CA?
Did anyone take a look at medRxiv? Probably not:
I did, and the effectiveness appears to only be for the most extreme patients, not for any ordinary COVID symptoms. It was also tested on people with hypertension, diabetes and/or obesity. So basically only COVID patients in the worst possible shape short of being dead.
What to shoot, the article or the writer?
Let's start with the article, it starts off with some 'science' and then quickly degenerates into denouncing Fauci (what a surprise), then links to some nonsense by fave pickle,Tucker Carlson (another surprise), and then (the killer surprise) splash dives into a twitter by ragdoll of the week Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Add all of the above together and there is no need to shoot the writer.
Again,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
No need for your "expert" analysis either yet, there it is.
I just can't help myself Jim, you'll just have to bear with me while I bare you. 🐸
Would a doctor be better? One who used it personally on his own father? if you want the reason that the drug got dissed, all it takes is listening to the first 18 seconds.........
Dr. Marc Siegel? Try another rabbit.
"Siegel (False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear), a professor of medicine at NYU, writes about an ineffable but perceptible (though not measurable) "essential life force." This pulse acts as the "fulcrum of a person's life force...where the physical and the spiritual combine." Taking incidents from his life both personal and profession, Siegel relays how he learned to listen for and accept guidance from the pulse. He gives examples of how the force can be strengthened and focused, citing extraordinary rescues and feats and the exploits of Houdini and other magicians, arguing that tapping into it can bring an awareness of "the direction your health is heading." The doctor relates how he has been guided to perform diagnostic tests that have detected early cancers and other illnesses. Over the course of the book Siegel defines his concept in many often-metaphoric ways, alternatively referring to it as "the power that holds the body and the soul together"; "the strongest power in the body"; a person's "drive to live" or "survive"; the efficacy of "positive emotion and spirit" or "thinking" on a person's health; "magic," and other concepts, effectively circling an inherently vague spiritual concern ("how much we all still don't know") chapter upon chapter."
[no matter how veiled]
Well I will tell you one thing, when the nurses and a doctor started throwing around the "intubation" word, at that moment my condition started improving immensely. Even my primary care doc told me at my first appointment with him after the 27 days of hell that he really didn't know if he was ever going to see me again. And he reiterated it Monday at my last appointment Short of a miracle were his words.
As you know, I did not have the opportunity to hear that word ... and Jim, as much as I might believe you, personal experience is rarely proof of anything.
Here's a 'fun' site:
Oh well that settles it! I'll take the word of all those fucking whackjobs over researchers, scientists, and Dr. Fauci!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, the first paragraph of this study is
The next paragraph says the study was done in the first two months of the pandemic. I.e. when we didn't know what the right approach was yet, and were intubating too many people and causing avoidable deaths. The next paragraph says 78.2% of the patients in the study died. This seemed awfully high, so I looked up the number of people who've been put on ventilators who subsequently die, and it's 43%. Just my opinion, but this seems like a study that's not going to survive serious examination.
There have been controlled, peer-reviewed studies of hydroxycholorquine which do not support this result at all. Maybe the combination with an antibiotic is more effective. Seems unlikely since antibiotics don't kill viruses. In any event, what's with this desperate need to go back and make something Trump said look reasonable. It was wild, dangerous speculation when he said it. And, this study has not survived *any* review process.
We likely could have saved over 100,000 lives had this drug, anti biotic, vitamin, and mineral cocktail been widely used. Who knows how many died out of the desire of some to get Trump?
Trump advertised the hell out of it. Of course having stock in Gilead Sciences had quite a bit to do with it. Where was I? Oh, yeah... According to Trump, he was given a cycle of it and still became ill. In addition, he sickened not only his wife and young son, but everyone around him. The entire White House staff had to be quarantined because of his desire to make money for himself. And PS: Had Hydroxychloroquine actually worked to speed up the Covid healing process, it would be in use for that very reason now.
Some advice, if I may? Quit trippin' balls every five minutes, and find a decent human being to represent your political party. You'll be a much happier person. Amen?
You apparently didn't comprehend JumpDrive's post...
It's not a peer-reviewed study.
Other, more in-depth studies that worked with larger pools of data from later in the year showed no benefit at all, but did associate hydroxychloroquine with a high risk of harm to cardiovascular health.
This is nonsense; a fabrication created to back up your position. Why not 200,000... An actual study was done by the Lancet (one of the oldest medical journals, if not the oldest) Commission on Public Policy and Health of the Trump Administration's handling of the pandemic. The study found that 40% of the deaths from COVID-19 in 2020 would have been averted if the US Administration had responded like any of the other members of the G7. When this study came out, 40% was 185,000 people. Those are 185,000 tragedies, not an XXJ fantasy.
Now, let's hear it for bleach.