Sorting fact from fiction

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  45 comments


Sorting fact from fiction
"There are some very irresponsible claims going around that in the end couldn't be proven because they weren't true, but there are also some claims that may be true, and it's worth knowing

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Last night America's number 1 cable news show (averaging more than 3 million viewers daily) accomplished what it does best - It raised legitimate questions about important issues. The man asking the questions also had some new evidence from Fulton County, Georgia. Before I continue, I want to remind everyone that Tucker Carlson is not like Sean Hannity in that he didn't bet his career on Donald Trump winning the 2016 election. At that time Bill O'Reilly was in the big chair. Back then Carlson was still of the opinion that Trump was "the most repulsive person on the planet."   So, we can dispense with the smearing on motives.

In 2020 Joe Biden won the state of Georgia by fewer than 13,000 votes. Carlson's position is that people need the facts to maintain faith in elections and people are losing faith. So what are the facts as we know them?

The official version:

In May Robb Pitts, the Chairman of Fulton County Board of Commissioners, explained that it was not necessary to look at the ballots, in fact it was ridiculous even to ask to look at the ballots because there had already been plenty of recounts and all the recounts reached the same conclusion. He went on CNN to say that "the Georgia election was open, fair and transparent." That is the argument that Fulton County has used to keep the ballots locked away in a warehouse.


Today's reality:

Carlson says that it now appears that there was meaningful fraud in Fulton County Georgia last November:

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At least 36 batches of ballots from the November election were double counted in the November election in Fulton County. That is a total of more than 4,000 votes. The numbers come from a group called "Voter GA" which is a group that sued to get a look at those ballots.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2021/03/16/georgia-judge-gives-voter-ga-the-right-to-inspect-fulton-county-election-ballots/

What was the tally on the double counted  ballots?  Answer: 3,300 for Biden and 860 for Trump.

The left of center "Atlanta Journal-Constitution also had a look at those ballots and concluded that they were duplicates

https://www.ajc.com/politics/some-ballots-initially-double-counted-in-fulton-before-recount/GY4FTEEI6REIJN3SDKIDNIOYV4/

Though Fulton County resisted for months "Voter GA" finally got a hold of the tally sheets.
Here is what they found (The Vortega Audit):

Seven falsified audit tally sheets containing fabricated vote totals...For example a batch containing 59 actual ballot images for Joe Biden, 42 for Donald Trump: was reported as 100 for Biden and 0 for Trump.

The seven batches of ballot images with 554 votes for Joe Biden and 140 votes for Donald Trump and 11 votes for Joe Jorgenson had tally sheets in the audit falsified to show 850 votes for Biden and 0 votes for Trump and 0 votes for Jorgenson.

The audit found other irregularities as well. Over 200 Fulton County mail-in ballot images containing votes were not included in the hand count audit results for the November election.

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-voterga-finds-thousands-of-fraudulent-biden-votes-in-georgia-has-photo-evidence-of-falsified-tally-sheets/

https://voterga.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Press-Release-New-Evidence-Reveals-Georgia-Audit-Fraud-and-Massive-Errors.pdf

https://www.worldtribune.com/election-integrity-group-finds-provable-fraud-in-audit-of-ballot-images-in-fulton-county-georgia/

Then of course we had the whistleblower who reported on the mail-in ballots which had no crease (in other words unfolded). Those ballots clearly had never been inside an envelope.

https://www.patriotproject.com/ga-witnesses-offer-affidavits-pristine-mail-ballots-tables-biden-votes-none-trump/

An elections expert named Mark Davis analyzed data from the Post Office. He found that nearly 35,000 Georgia voters moved out of their county of residence more than a month prior to the election. That meant they were ineligible to vote - yet they did!

https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-georgia-election-investigators-find-enough-illegal-votes-to-potentially-tip-2020-race-knab/



"Without answers to legitimate questions democracy dies" ......Tucker Carlson.



The Georgia election was close. Every vote mattered.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

So much to be learned from the 2020 election.

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FortunateSon
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1.1  FortunateSon  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

GA and AZ also

So much for the left's assertion of *honest elections

The big lie is that joe won.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

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[DELETED] They have alleged organized vote stealing by Democrats in Arizona, and in Pennsylvania , and in Michigan and in Georgia. That spans the whole freaking country folks. We are supposed to believe that thousands of people across numerous states and geographical regions decided to risk jail time and professional disgrace by conspiring to cheat Trump out of what was rightfully his. 

It is a ridiculous insult to the intelligence of the American people, but it is also what Trumpism has done to this country beginning with his birtherism crusade a decade ago. 

Imagine that, the greatest country in the history of the world has lowered itself into mental confusion and idiotic conspiracy theories on behalf of a known pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. 

No wonder Putin is laughing every day. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

There is now clear evidence of widespread voter fraud in Georgia.  It will be found elsewhere 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    3 weeks ago

We have to follow the facts. I began with "I don't know."

Now I'm getting close to saying that there was enough election fraud in Fulton County Georgia to effect that state's election results.

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Ozzwald
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2.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    3 weeks ago
There is now clear evidence of widespread voter fraud in Georgia.

It appears that we have different meanings to the word "evidence".

Definition of evidence

1a: an outward sign : INDICATION

B: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONY

specifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

Everything in the article has been substantiated.

How long can people keep saying what Robb Pitts claimed?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    3 weeks ago
Everything in the article has been substantiated.

I think we read different articles.  I am talking about the one seeded above.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ozzwald @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

And what is it that you want to declare a falsehood?

I went to great pains to include the 7 links.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago
I went to great pains to include the 7 links.

I can imagine how difficult it was for you, congratulations, well done.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

Yes you did and the tone of the first two indicate that they they are impartial reporters....good job.

Banned here by MFBC as Conspiracy & Pseudoscience

Described by other GA sources as election skeptics and originally 10 biased Trump supporters. Only the unhappy sue.

Questionable Source per MBFC

Unrated but the site is, by it's own admission a spin off of The Tea Party Action committee, hardly unbiased?

Another Questionable Source per MBFC.

So to the impartial observer, the sources are biased to a fault with people who have an unbending opinion.

Yesterday you questioned whether 2 out out 9 was a good thing,

today I'm suggesting that 5 out of 7 is a really bad thing.

 
 
 
FortunateSon
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2.1.8  FortunateSon  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    3 weeks ago

Did ya see AZ today?  

Proven election shit show also.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.7    3 weeks ago
So to the impartial observer,

MBFC isn't impartial.  The facts are in. Fulton county cheated.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.1.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

Yesterday you questioned whether 2 out out 9 was a good thing,

today I'm suggesting that 5 out of 7 is a really bad thing.

But remember, Vic actually provided links.  While true that the links were biased, and in no way acceptable as a news source, but Vic actually provided links!  This is an amazing day.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    3 weeks ago
MBFC isn't impartial. 

Your opinion is noted.  Agree to Disagree?

The facts are in.

What facts would those be? The fact that someone discovered 200 duplicates

which were corrected on the recount and made no difference in the outcome?

It says that right in the headline, "before recount".

Fulton county cheated.

A county is incapable of cheating Vic.  Anything involving humans is flawed. 

Of the 524,659 votes cast in Fulton County

200 is 00.0003811%. 

Granted there should be a 0% margin of error in a perfect world.

But it's just not going to happen in large counties.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.11    2 weeks ago
A county is incapable of cheating Vic. 

False.  The criminal investigation is about to begin.


200 is 00.0003811%. 

Close to 40,000 votes were illegally cast in Georgia.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.12    2 weeks ago
False.

in your opinion.

The criminal investigation is about to begin.

To what possible end?  Make it certain that no one ever works the polls or volunteers again, fearing arrest & witch hunts?

Close to 40,000 votes were illegally cast in Georgia.

There is no proof.

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Btw, each of the 50 states certified their results and the VP, Mike Pence, ratified those results.

That's the rule of law. It's a done deal. Fine'.

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All these so called forensic audits by obviously biased people are only

 tearing at the foundation of our democracy.

Gore, McCain, Bush Sr. and 41 others all conceded and dropped the confrontations

to unite us and move the country forward in patriotism.

The only thing Trump should have done was concede graciously and drop the rhetoric about the steal,

It is anti American. It is selfish and childish.

Such behavior only reminds of of the different ages of my children when they were obsessed by what was "fair".

Such behavior makes his eligibility to run again forfeit as far as I'm concerned.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.12    2 weeks ago
The criminal investigation is about to begin.

Okay, but don't get your hopes up.

Close to 40,000 votes were illegally cast in Georgia.

But I thought the investigation was "about to begin"? How can there be 40,000 confirmed illegally cast votes when the investigation hasn't been completed?

The facts are in. Fulton county cheated.

Really? So which is it, investigation complete, "facts are in" or is the investigation "about to begin"?

What you're trying desperately to say is that you HOPE the facts prove some sort of illegal votes, you HOPE there's some reason we can trust the new investigators and you HOPE that the bunch of conservatives hanging their hat on this supposed 'new' evidence don't get their asses handed to them in court when they try to prove the supposed fraud they claim to have found.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.13    2 weeks ago
Btw, each of the 50 states certified their results

Off topic. Not interested.

There is no proof.

Oh, Yes there is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.14    2 weeks ago
How can there be 40,000 confirmed illegally cast votes

Because those people moved. Georgia law is quite clear on it. They got counted.

Then there was the little scam with "the water main break." That is where we may get some convictions.


Really? 

Yup, really & truly. I waited for the facts and now we've got em.


What you're trying desperately to say

Iv'e said what I wanted to say. I'm only hoping for prosecutions.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.15    2 weeks ago
Off topic. Not interested.

So the law is meaningless.  Got it.

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Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.16    2 weeks ago
Because those people moved. Georgia law is quite clear on it. They got counted.

Did they also vote wherever they moved? Did they vote twice? Were they not citizens? If not then the claim they were "illegal votes" is at best from a technicality, at worst its just more bigots trying desperately to disenfranchise minority voters.

Then there was the little scam with "the water main break." That is where we may get some convictions.

Sounds like more Qanon conspiracy theories. I doubt very highly there will be any sort of arrests or convictions in regards to the delay in vote counting. None of the ballots later counted were found to be fraudulent or received after the deadline. The supposed claims that Trump was "running away" with the votes in Georgia before the water main break are pure conjecture and not based in any actual facts. This is a load of horse shit that will be laughed out of court.

Yup, really & truly. I waited for the facts and now we've got em.

You have both jack and shit, so count them well but you still end up with a number two in your hands.

I'm only hoping for prosecutions.

You and me both, and with the Trump organization investigation running full steam we'll see who ends up getting what they wish long before Christmas.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3  Hal A. Lujah    3 weeks ago

Carlson was still of the opinion that Trump was "the most repulsive person on the planet."

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XXJefferson51
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3.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @3    3 weeks ago

I’m a proud former never Trumper who as he engaged in his office far better than expected grew up into becoming an avid pro Trump fan.  I’m ready to support him again!  

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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3.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    3 weeks ago

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Greg Jones
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4  Greg Jones    3 weeks ago

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Kavika
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4.1  Kavika   replied to  Greg Jones @4    3 weeks ago

So far the only fraud was on the part of the republicans.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.1    3 weeks ago

Didn't read the article?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.1    3 weeks ago
Didn't read the article?

Sure and you can notify me when any of it's proven in a court of law. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
Sure did you can notify me when any of it's proven in a court of law. 

You don't accept validated evidence unless it goes to a court?  

How did Robb Pitts put it?

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Very strange

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.1.2    3 weeks ago

And let me know when only Republicans are the fraud cases found.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.5  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    3 weeks ago

The Republicans took over 60 cases to court and lost them all. Feel free to take these so-called fraud cases up with the court.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
4.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
The Republicans took over 60 cases to court and lost them all.

So how does that prove your above statement?

So far the only fraud was on the part of the republicans.
 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.6    3 weeks ago

You could disprove it if you so chose.

The two proven case that I'm aware of is a republican guy in PA that voted for his dead mother and another republican guy that voted for, I believe his dead wife. 

There has been no proven massive voter fraud that would overturn the election results in any of the states the republicans are whining about. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
The Republicans took over 60 cases to court and lost them all.

On Fulton county?  What do those cases have to do with Fulton County?

While your at tell us about that fake watermain leak that got honest human beings out of the vote count room?

Or why nobody wanted to hear from the whistleblowers?

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
4.1.9  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    3 weeks ago
On Fulton county?  What do those cases have to do with Fulton County?

Nope across the US and it leads to the conclusion that the republicans that filed the suits are fucking morons and should really learn a lot more about the law.

Keep on spinning, Vic.

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.10  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.4    3 weeks ago

shortly after 11/3/2020. quite a few dead republicans voting.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @4    3 weeks ago

Greg, let's recount the votes in every state Trump won. 

The craziest thing about all of this is the right wing nut jobs belief that Trump had votes stolen from him literally all over the country, but Biden had zero stolen from him. It is even crazier considering that Trumpworld is mainly populated with known nutjobs, habitual liars , and cheats. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2    3 weeks ago
Greg, let's recount the votes in every state Trump won. 

Don't bother trying to derail the article. The article is about the Georgia election. It's not about Trump's claim or any other state.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

The bottom line here is that we have substantial election fraud in Fulton County.

It's time to find and prosecute the perpetrators.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
5.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    3 weeks ago
The bottom line here is that we have substantial election fraud in Fulton County.

That's not what your links above prove. At best it shows some minor irregularities and errors made in a handful of counts. To prove fraud you have to actually prove intent.

'Fraud' is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain. None of that is proven in any of your links above. A few batches being double counted or a tally sheet that doesn't match does not prove fraud. And why believe the partisan inspections long after the election? Are they not as likely to be lying to prove something they've been claiming without proof for the last 9 months? Why should anyone believe these conservative funded investigations any more than the initial investigations done by bi-partisan State election commissions that showed no widespread voter fraud?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1    3 weeks ago
At best it shows some minor irregularities and errors made in a handful of counts.

Yup, they are going to claim errors. The errors and the false stories always go against Trump.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.2  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    3 weeks ago

Yep. people who perpetuate the voter fraud hoax should be prosecuted.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  cjcold @5.2    3 weeks ago

The DNC?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

In Conclusion:

Now we know that Fulton County had it in for Trump. The question is will Georgia take action and prosectue that county's election board. We heard all the usual failed arguments today. The sources were no good or Trump is no good and last but not least "it was a mistake."

Just like when they told us about those iron clad safeguards the FISA Court had in place to make sure a FISA Warrant request was valid.

Another small chapter of the 2020 election and the year of the pandemic.

 
 
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