From adminstration to regime
When the powerful social media platforms began censoring content they didn't like, we were told by people here that it was ok because as long as the government didn't do it, it didn't violate the 1st Amendment. In other words it was an end-around that they used to defeat the Constitution. As long as the denial of speech was against those they don't like it was justy fine. Now the Biden administration has clearly crossed the line. They are instructing social media on what is true and what is false and who should be trusted and who shouldn't.
Here is the spokeswoman for Big Brother:
Psaki: There’s about 12 people who are producing 65% of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms. All of them remain active on Facebook despite some being banned on other platforms including ones that Facebook owns"
"Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy issued a warning against health misinformation Thursday, saying that falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/surgeon-general-vivek-murthy-issues-advisory-on-dangers-of-health-misinformation-amid-rise-in-covid-19-cases/2021/07/15/a3e6d5ae-e591-11eb-8aa5-5662858b696e_story.html
Big Tech and The Big Totalitarian Government are now joined.
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I heard this on the radio on my way to work this morning and could NOT believe my ears. Holy shit.
They've become very blatant. They are feelin their oats.
Nothing!
Trumps class action lawsuit is perfect for this! They are proving the point of government deputizing big tech to censor the free speech rights of ordinary Americans on its behalf.
The lawsuit which has little to no merit and will likely not get far. "Deputizing" big tech? That's funny.
Conspiracy nuts and Trumpsters should leave the rest of America the hell alone.
"Hard core" progressives should leave tomorrow. Plenty of places for them in Asia.
Oh ya, and take their fucking professors with them along with the Marxist "values."
Donald Trump literally wanted to retroactively disenfranchise many millions of voters. Please point out where you objected to that.
That comment is a blatant lie!
I read where someone suggested we trade one person from Cuba that wants to escape socialism with one liberal that wants it. Great idea.
In that case, we could get rid of BLM tomorrow.
Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) wrote: "The extortionist ring known as the Black Lives Matter organization took a break today from shaking down corporations for millions & buying themselves mansions to share their support for the Communist regime in #Cuba."
oh look, fascists accusing people that don't agree with them of being commies. deja vu. what's up next? just like locusts, but on an 80 year cycle of re-emergence of destruction. thank you founders, for the 2A.
What's funny is the whining about Biden over "censorship" when such complaints should be directed towards the private businesses that supposedly engage in such practices.
Then we should expect the WH to stay out of it and make no comments about how those private businesses operate.
You see, [removed please use other members NT name correctly to avoid problems] Corporations bonding with government is the classic definition of Facism.
Progressive liberals refuse to acknowledge that fact.
The WH is free to comment. That doesn't mean a business is compelled to follow.
Does the government own or control the businesses in question?
I clearly didn't say they weren't allowed.
I find it hard to believe that progressive liberals somehow think it is a good idea.
Had a Republican Administration did the same, the liberals would be hollering their fool heads off.
It won't work anymore Gordy. The government is opennly asking for censorship. Joe Biden and his rotten handlers are again violating the constitution. This time violating the 1st Amendment.
As well as the open border - a violation of Article IV Section 4.
oh, then you're in favor of disclosing dark money contributions to politicians now. cool.
Its not a lie. Trump wanted Republican state legislatures to simply declare him the winner of the election. How would that not effectively disenfranchise the millions of Biden voters in those states?
Biden or anyone can ask for anything. But unless something is required by law, a private company is free to honor or refuse any request. So until said companies are compelled, then arguments about Biden trying to influence companies are meaningless.
So when someone here flags a post they notice is violating the NT CoC does that mean they are "openly asking for censorship"? It seems we are asking for the post to be reviewed for CoC violations, not just censoring content we dislike. I see no difference between that and what Psaki was saying, flagging disinformation for review to see if it violates a media platforms CoC. Just because most of the disinformation is coming from right wing nut jobs and conspiracy theorists doesn't make it partisan government overreach or any sort of violation of free speech.
Is there anything untrue with what he said? Seems like he hit the nail on the head.
An excellent point, Gordy. One that I think got lost in this discussion.
I would like to point out, that our CoC is here to protect our membership and to have civil discussion. It is not here to censor other members' opinions.
Only if they are compelled to do so. So far, that does not seem to be the case. Furthermore, presenting this to the public is full transparency.
Because without the evidence that can't happen.
The bottom line John is that the 2020 election was neither stoled nor pristine.
If such actions are not being compelled, then whether one thinks they are a good idea or not is subjective and irrelevant.
Thank you Perrie.
They are being compelled to do so. Strongly pressured by the Biden Admin.
You see Vic, you are kind of proving my point. That is an opinion and one I have seen often on Facebook. Personally, I don't believe it, but I respect your right to have it and to post it here.
Trump TRIED to steal the election. We know that he wasnt successful.
As far as I have read, they are not being forced to do so. The Biden admin is free to ask, and they are free to say no.
Should they? Is it their role to have content edited or removed on social media?
That's nice. Prove it!
The question I have that no one has touched on is who, yes who, gets to decide what is and isn't disinformation? Again, information and disinformation are both types of information. One is truth (or actually opinion) and one is the opposite (again, opinion) and meant to sway as both are. WHO DECIDES which is which? Truth or fallacy?
It is if they have information that it is from a foreign enemy source, with ample proof, but they should not be able to force private companies to do so.
That's really not how it works. It's not an equal relationship. There's very little freedom to turn down a government "request"
Jim,
An opinion is something that everyone has. It is not fact. It is not information, but the sharing of ideas.
Facts are hardcore and based (in this case), science.
Also, something that should be considered here is who are these 12? That is what I am interested in.
Again, you would have to provide proof of that. While I would deem a government request as serious, if I was not comfortable with complying, I wouldn't do so and I would expect the gov to respect that.
How so, John?
Be specific in your "facts".
I love it when liberals make accusations of those they don't agree with, then we find out that the liberals are exactly what they accuse the conservatives of.
It's been shown many, many times over the years.
Trump ignored multiple warnings to stop lying and fomenting violence.
Facebook, Twitter and any other site had the right/duty to ban him.
projection.
stop misspelling my name, [removed, Members are asked to use other member's NT name correctly to avoid problem. no points given in either case thanks Charger 383]
Sen. Rubio is exactly right!
Companies acting in said manner either to escape possible regulations or to curry favor are still acting as agents of government censorship.
It is just that in articles brought to the front page through certain groups.
Biden did steal the election. We know that he was successful.
I am sorry if me voicing my fucking opinion is bothersome to you.
That's nice. Prove it!
No need to get in a tizzy.
No, they are not. They are still private entities. That is just stupid!
!
Was there something you wanted to say?
We on the right are not allowed to do that without having our character called into question.
I’ll say it!
Say what? Try forming your own words and responses.
Since when do you think you are exempt from question or scrutiny when you voice an opinion?
( He still thinks people click on his stupid instagrams )
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Not allowed.
I'll let you know if anyone here ever develops the ability to put me into a tizzy.
It sure as hell ain't looking like it will be this year.
Careful Gordy, Texan will get you suspended if you say something he doesn’t like. That’s his thing, talk tough and then report left and right.
Wishful thinking I suppose.
Not likely to happen.
Ok then. For a moment, based on your responses, with the explicative, the CoC violations and deletions and such, it seemed you were a little riled up.
For many progressive liberals, what things "seem" like to them and reality are far apart.
Please do get back to your little friends after you read the C of C and learn that I can't suspend anyone, so why are you telling tall tales about that when your lie is so easily debunked?
Since I'm not liberal nor do I know many, I wouldn't make presumptions on that.
But you did anyways.
So there's that, of course.
No. But if want to believe otherwise, you are free to do so. It just makes you wrong.
Okay, okay, I'll play along and pretend you didn't write post 2.1.62.
Any other fantasies you feel like indulging in?
Pretend whatever you like. Makes no difference to me.
No need to pretend when your posted words exist.
I'm not the one pretending.
R-i-g-h-t.
Yes, that is right. Glad you agree.
Well, of course!
A-n-y-t-h-i-n-g you say!!!
Glad you think so.
it would be nice to know that sarcasm can be recognized, but I can wait for that eventuality to happen.
And here I thought you were interested in a serious discussion. My mistake.
Don't blame me for what you think.
I have tried to discuss things with you, but not interested anymore in futile gestures.
Your CoC violations and juvenile retorts is hardly conducive to a discussion. In that regard, any discussion with you does seem futile and a waste of time.
Who are the 'fucking professors'?
Oh, let's see : Angela Davis, Bill Ayers and Wendell Berry for starters.
And yet, you persist.
Hillary will be so proud!
What a scary triumvirate ... especially Wendell Berry, his Sabbath poems are downright Marxist /s:
The bell calls in the town
Where forebears cleared the shaded land
And brought high daylight down
To shine on field and trodden road.
I hear, but understand
Contrarily, and walk into the woods.
I leave labor and load,
Take up a different story.
I keep an inventory
Of wonders and of uncommercial goods.
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Lol I thought you'd like me adding him into the mix!
I tried it the way management wanted it.
As of tomorrow I go back to the open forum. Let them do the work and listen to the complaints.
Have a good night Tex.
Great.
I'll see you tomorrow!
Have a good one!
He was a weird choice.
See you then.
I chose him because he didn't like traditional education. Maybe I could have replaced him with Timothy Leary, but I said let me see who would pick up on it.
You have read a lot. I must give you that.
If you wanted flak, Jeanne Córdova would have been a 'good' choice.
Vic, I will explain to you tomorrow.
Well we knew this all along. Glad it is out in the open now.
Are they going to stop all the disinformation about curing Cancer, Diabetes, etc....?
As George Orwell would say "disinformation is real information."
Orwell neither said nor wrote such drivel.
He said "WOULD" say ................................based on his writings
Perhaps one of Orwell's evil characters might have said something so, well, Orwellian. But, that would still be antithetical to what Orwell actually thought and believed. The moral of Orwell's writing was opposite to that BS...
Point is, information is information true and relevant or not. It is STILL information of some sort.
There is a difference between information and disinformation. In fact, both Marxists and Fascists have used disinformation to spread their message. The bigger question is do we allow this to happen especially if it endangers the public welfare.
For instance, what if another country that is trying to undermine us, is actually doing this? How do you handle that?
As a website owner, these issues are a constant concern. I am a firm believer in the 1st Amendment, but what would I do if I thought a member was a foreign operative?
You should familiarize yourself with Orwell. He predicted everything the left is now doing....right down to the pronouns!
And how do we deal with one ideological group trying to censor all other opinions?
Then I challenge YOU or Vic to post a link to Orwell's writings that support that ridiculous statement.
They are both a form of information and are, due to the beliefs of the presenter, subjective to a point. Kind of like right and wrong.
"There is no such thing as right and wrong. There's just popular opinion."
So should you.
Please provide a link to support your claim Vic.
Disinformation is NOT an 'opinion' Vic. Disinformation, by definition, is intended to mislead.
A link? We are living through it Dulay!
And how do we know that is what is going on? How do we know that the targeted group is not the Chinese or Russia?
Offer me some proof.
It's newspeak!
Everyone has opinions. That doesn't mean all opinions are equally valid. Neither do all deserve a platform.
Vic,
Please provide some proof. This is an issue of public welfare in both the 1st amendment and health.
Nope. Disinformation isn't 'subjective', it's akin to propaganda.
Newseak would be if the government was producing the information. They are not.
Here is the classic example. During the past election Both Twitter and Facebook took extraordinary censorship measures against The Post over its exposés about Hunter Biden's e-mails.
Clearly that was CENSORSHIP to benefit the election of Joe Biden.
I would say all diseases are an issue of public welfare.
That's an obtuse statement Vic.
Post a link to Orwell's prediction.
The government is openly using social media
What words are you claiming are being eliminated or altered by the Administration Vic. Please be specific.
You may be right..............or not. As stated,
"There is no such thing as right and wrong. There's just popular opinion."
Whatever the hell ones they want. We haven't seen the fruits of this move yet. And may not as I am sure there won't be a pop up on Facebook that says "this comment was altered by the Biden administration as it was deemed misinformation"
Even if that were true [doubtful], it ISN'T an example of 'one ideological group trying to censor 'all other opinions'.
Fail.
No, disinformation is a specific tactic meant to corrupt and confuse and not presented as an opinion. Information is factual. So there is a right and a wrong.
Opinions are not right or wrong.
Without knowing more, we really don't know anything about the 12 people who are producing 65% of anti-vaccine. They are obviously also trying to kill Trump's real legacy here, too.
For me to judge, I would need more information on the 12.
So would I, Sunshine. I don't see where I said otherwise.
Well then you would agree that any post on social media regarding the treatment or cure or stats or any information that the government deems disinformation or untrue should be monitored and removed by the suggestion of the government and not just for COVID.
Then that would be on those corporations and not the government.
So you hang your hat on a quote from a fictional character who is criminally INSANE!
BTFW, the very next sentence in that monologue is:
"You believe in germs don't you?"
OH the fucking irony!
Well THAT'S definitive! /s
So Vic jumped the gun. Got ya.
That is a loaded question. If we are in the middle of a health crisis, I would be inclined to ask for the removal of disinformation, but keep opinions, but without compelling private companies to do so.
No it isn't. It is what you said.
The government is not the sole arbiter of disinformation or truths. I like to see all information available and decide for myself.
you seem to have a selective memory when it comes to the ex-POTUS use (abuse) of twitter
Is there some law that says they can't? Trump spent more time tweeting than being President. Did you complain about the government open using social media then?
If a foreign government was providing false information, you are good with that?
I am not. If citizens were offering opinions and information they have experienced I am fine with that.
Could be any sources providing false information, why use foreign governments?
We live in a world of false information, books, tv, magazine, newspapers. I suppose you want the government to monitor and remove content for all of them? How about Newstalkers? Do you want the Biden Admin pressuring you to remove content from your site? Do you agree with that?
It could be, hence why I keep saying I would need to know more about these 12 sources.
I would never advocate for that.
The Biden Administration can ask me and I can ask for proof of disinformation. I would not remove it without proof. As for pressure, we don't know that is happening, do we?
When does the government simply ask for something?
Again, should they? Seems Biden thinks he should have control over content in media.
This is the quote from Surgeon General:
"falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death....
We will "circle back" as Psaki says...this would apply to all diseases as stated in my comment #3 with that quote.
It isn't the governments role to ask for censorship. It is best for the public to have all the information available to them and make their own decisions that is best for them.
Much of the public has proven themselves too stupid to know what's best for them. That's never been more demonstrated when many people argued against wearing masks, social distancing, or getting the vaccine. Having all information is well and good. But its useless if there's misinformation in there as well.
Why would this apply to all diseases? This is a constantly evolving disease. It is unique in that way. Accuracy counts. Time matters. Lives are at stake. This is a pandemic and really there is little room for mistakes.
Again, it is if it is coming from an enemy source.
I agree, but information is not disinformation and disinformation during a crisis is time and lives. Again, we really don't have all the information on the 12, so I can't determine more than what has been put out there.
The government isn't ANY kind of arbiter on Facebook. They can flag a comment and Facebook decides whether to remove it or not.
That would apply to many diseases. Is the government going to start asking for information to be censored about Cancer, Diabetes, etc?
Citizens are entitled to read all views/information on diseases in a pandemic.
There are no more COVID pandemic restrictions in my state as in many.
You said:
Moving the goal posts is BAD FORM Sunshine.
Why do you continue to demand others show proof of their claims when you have never done so?
I don't even know why anyone engages with this one. Nothing but trying to get others down a rabbit hole, then argue that rabbit hole that no one ever claimed.
Waste of time.
This is your comment I replied to.
Does it not say “any kind”?
yes, moving the goal post is bad form for you.
Why do you post comments that are utter bullshit bugsy?
BTFW, asking someone to PLEASE provide a link isn't a demand.
You realize that YOU engaged with me just prior to posting that whiny BS right bugsy?
Did you READ the definition YOU posted?
Did you?
While cancer and diabetes do matter (and for the record, we do see PSA's on these issues) do not spread through a population.
Yes, information, not disinformation. I have repeated this over and over.
Yes and I actually understand it too.
Yes all information. Regardless of what you or the government decide what is disinformation.
The CDC and NIH have flipped flopped so much on their own information concerning COVID they need to flag themselves.
No I don’t think you do.
Have been fighting far right wing propaganda and lies emanating from the Heartland Institute for many years now.
The Heartland Institute has been the #1 science denying group ever!
That is exactly what MBFC and big tech social media are designed to prevent.
When did they become a part of the conversation?
So, when Dr Fauci told us that masks were not necessary was it disinformation?
Is he the one we are to trust?
Yes, he is! Far more than some politician or conspiracy theory nut job. An infectious disease expert is probably the person to listen to when dealing with infectious disease.
If moving goal posts were an Olympic event, some here would take the gold.
That always made me think. People dissed Mr. Trump for his treatment of the Covid disease while over 600,000 people died of cancer in the US in 2020. Didn't Mr. Obama put Mr. Biden in charge of finding the cure for cancer? Which disease came up with a vaccine in record time? Yep. That one.
I know this is a stretch but hey, a lot of shit on this site is a stretch.
The only thing Biden is above water on is his handling (via the Trump vaccine) of the pandemic.
Yep, another Biden failure amongst many.
The whole concept is hilarious. We know how hard it is to cure cancer. Imagine putting the likes of Biden in charge of it?
Cancer vs Covid is poor comparison.
We have found vaccines for viruses. We know how to do it.
Cancer is a complex group of diseases, that are both genetic and environmental. We have yet cured a genetic disease of any kind. The closest we have come to curing cancer is targeted therapy, which did happen under the Obama administration after investing about 4 billion dollars into finding a cure.
I do give credit to Trump for his investment into "Warp Speed". I find it sad that there are those individuals who want to try and destroy that.
I think that this is a far more complicated issue than what is being painted here. Disinformation on social media is a tough issue. What do you do when it endangers the public welfare?
mRNA vaccines are now being used for cancer.
the vaccines that were already in R&D well before he even acknowledged the pandemic?
And would have stayed there for a hell of a lot longer had he not pushed them.
>cough< bullshit >cough<
with billions in profits on the line, it was sprint to the finish among more than one pharma corp. the orange menace did a 180 on the pandemic just to claim credit by issuing a uselessly late EO that attempted to deflect and reassign blame from his previous gross incompetence in dealing with the crisis at the beginning of it.
Okay now turn your head.
Do you honestly think it would still be out had he not fast tracked and offered cash to speed it up? And the FDA still had say so that takes years usually.
What EO did he issue?
And the kicker. What should he have done differently in your opinion? Shut the whole country down for months? And trust me that 14 day bullshit wouldn't have done squat. Just like Mr. Biden's "just 100 days. Is that too much to ask? 100 days wear a mask". Well everyone I know did just that and look where we STILL are
I'm confidant the delta variant will cull what's left of the denialist herd.
13909 on March 18, 2020, over a MONTH after Trump told Bob Woodward how bad COVID is.
thanks, but why even bother...
Actually, Biden handled the rollout of the Covid drugs very well.
It was easy for me to get both shots just by walking in to a CVS.
Trump had nothing to do with different companies developing vaccines.
No such thing as a "Trump vaccine".
Trump dropped the ball very early on the pandemic.
Millions died that didn't have to due to Trump's lies and inaction.
Huh??
In what particular universe?????
The first vaccine was developed without OWS.
No such thing as the trump vaccine
Oh no/s
Doesn't matter how many times you repeat that nonsense
Doesn't make it true
It would be nice of you to provide the correct photo of the current Surgeon General for our readers.
Viveck Muthy, the 19th Surgeon General from 2014 to 2017 was removed by the incoming Trump Administration.
The Senate confirmed him for a second stint March 23 2021.
You have a picture of Jerome Adams the 20th Surgeon General who resigned 01/21/2021 at the request of the incoming
Biden Administration.
Please feel free to replace the picture if you can. I know Perrie has the power not sure if you do but if you do...........Vic asked me to watch the place as he had to step away and won't mind if you do.
Thanks.
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I just updated the photo to show the current Surgeon General.
Thank you Perrie...................
Anybody Trump hates; I like.
I've never seen flip flops with hobnails. Until now.
And we're being gaslighted to believe that Trump was the Fascist?
Trump has been a fascist since he was a child.
He had mafioso as babysitters.
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Fred Trump aka Friedrich Drumpf, was a Nazi sympathizer, and suspected of being an informer for the Nazi regime. Fred was also a member of the KKK and engaged in many KKK activities. This information can be found by searching the Internet.
Due to Fred's Traitorous activities here in America, Donald Trump was well educated about the doings of the Nazi's and Hitler, as well as the KKK. That is why he used some of their tactics following his loss of the 2020 election to try to wrest the Presidency for himself.
This information is not new, and when people know is real background and his extended exposure to the Nazi's and the KKK, they can see what he did, and have an good idea what he will do next.
Right wingers would have it ok for someone to go on facebook and tell everyone to drink bleach to cure coronavirus.
Facebook doesnt want their pages used for such nonsense.
It would be more of a surprise if privately owned social media companies didnt try to keep idiocy off their pages.
It was ok with having the idea of a lab leak being condemned as a conspiracy theory
It was ok with salacious rumors about a Russian agent in the White House
It was ok with false stories of Michael Brown having his hands up
it was ok with letting people think that Carter Page was a Russian spy even though he helped the US capture Russian spies in 2013.
Good points which will in all likelihood be ignored.
We're talking about flagged posts Vic. So WHO posted those comments and were they flagged?
We're talking Facebook here not NT.
WE are talking about the claims in the SEED Jim, which starts with THIS quote:
“We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation,” Psaki said. She also said they were trying to boost “trusted content.” Try to keep up.
Vic was talking about comments that were left up on Facebook LONG before this latest round of bullshit Dulay that got NO scrutiny whatsoever. Do try to keep up.
Yes, I KNOW Jim and they were very SPECIFIC examples of comments.
So WHO posted those comments and were they flagged?
You know damned well they weren't flagged FFS.
So it seems that what you and yours are bitching about is that the Biden Administration rightfully flags disinformation and that the Trump Administration just whined about it...
Exactly WHO determines what "trusted content" means? Choose only ONE:
With that sentence, Psaki exposed the REAL mission of Biden's collusion with Facebook and other social media. AND, a "private company" is now an arm of the US federal government.
Really? Facebook allows far worse than that debunked bleach crap.
It still allows Islamic terrorists to proclaim death to America and Israel. It allows the radical left media to state that prostitutes peed on Trump. For years, it's allowed Adam Schiff to state that he has "concrete evidence" of Trump being a Russian asset. It allows comments claiming that January 6 was "an armed insurrection" even though no "arms" were found or seized. It still allows claims that Officer Sicknick was "murdered" even though his death certificate states that his cause of death was a stroke.
For the past 1.5+ years, Facebook has flagged all comments about Covid that do not comply with WHO, CCP, Fauci, Tedros, and the Biden Regime.
armed means in possession of a weapon. it does not only pertain to guns. i think i will donate a dictionary to newstalkers conservatives
(3) armed - Bing
According to a database compiled by NPR , of the people charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, 15 were armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol.
Eight others facing civil disorder or property destruction charges also were charged with possessing weapons, according to the database.
Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.
Capitol Protesters Were Armed With Variety of Weapons - FactCheck.org
I'm so very glad that you posted comments 7.2.1 and 7.2.2 ! Through those posts, you proved that all of the BLM and Antifa murders, riots, lootings, assaults, rapes, and arson after George Floyd's death were also "armed insurrections". But here's the difference - most of those "armed insurrectionists" weren't arrested.
John would like people to think that it was a armed militia that stormed the Capitol with Blackhawks and nuclear warheads.
THOUSANDS of BLM protesters HAVE been arrested. Hell in 3 days, over 420 were arrested in DC alone. Your comment is utter BS.
That is not true. Nobody is given a pass for violent crimes, looting or assaults. Where do you get the crazy idea police give that a pass?
It's the only scenario that fits into their ideology.
Most of those have been dismissed.
Link?
Here's ONE out a plethora of stories about it Jim:
That's irrelevant. They WERE arrested. Thanks for playing.
NYC jails were packed after George Floyd.
How many arrested for entering the Capitol have had there charges dropped?
Eventually most of them will be dropped.
Although, looting a Foot Locker is not equal with the desecration of Congress in a failed attempt to overthrow our sacred Republic!
We were talking DC and it appears they, for the most part, were curfew violations.
4 days and curfew violations for the most part.
Curfew violations are hardly attempted coups!
There it is again LMAO
Do you really think you are cute with that shit?
The January 6 insurrection was a failed coup!
Comparisons with BLM protests are plain silly.
What shit? The drama queen act? Do you actually know what a coup consists of? What it takes to plan and execute? Do you? It's pretty obvious you don't.
FFS a bunch of rag tag rednecks and morons breaking in to the Capitol practically naked, as far as coup attempts go, and you seriously think they were there to take over the Government? I saw more gawking and awe at where they were than actually looking for blood. They didn't have a fucking chance at what you posit and they knew it FFS.
You deserve that cute shit.
If by "cute shit" you mean lies and disrespect.
Haven't you watched insurrection montages?
One hundred eighty police officers were injured Jan 6th. Both Houses of Congress had to flee from their chambers when the insurgents stopped the certification of the election...
Is that "hahaha" roll on the floor funny to you?
Why should I waste my time on your silliness?
Hopefully NONE.
Yes Jim, in 4 days over 420 BLM protesters were ARRESTED in DC. Of course NONE of them were insurrectionists.
Sure they were. They attacked the White House and Secret service agents. Trump had to be taken to an emergency shelters, just like the congressmen in the January attack. The only difference is the police/secret service were able to maintain the perimeter despite dozens of officers being injured by the mob.
Really Sean? How many breached the WH fence Sean? How many even tried?
Ridiculous.
Oh and BTW, they kept expanding the perimeter. They even fenced off Lafayette Park which is a designated 'Free speech' area.
Have they been held in solitary confinement for > 7 months with no bail and no court date like January 6th people? The answer is NO.
Jasper, you claimed to be happy about John's post which included the link to the NPR database. I suggest you actually READ that data instead of continuing to make ridiculous statements about the 1/6 defendants.
I know y'all are averse to actual FACTS but here they are nonetheless:
Each defendants arrest, arraignment and status conference date is DOCUMENTED there. Some already have court dates.
Have some of them been held in facilities whose ENTIRE population is held in 'solitary confinement'? Why yes, YES some are. They are NOT being treated any differently than any other pre-trial defendant in those facilities. They are NOT special snowflakes.
My great aunt once assaulted her husband. The official police report stated a weapon was used......a frozen leg of lamb. He got a concussion and she got 30 days for assault.
Who did that, John?
Show your proof.....and don't use your "I hate Trump" mantra. It's old news.
I see you are unfamiliar with sarcastic analysis. Not my problem.
He never ever said or suggested that anyone do that as they all know full well and knew it before it’s ever restated again and again.
Where do I apply?
First, you must be able to define 'reality'.............. then the government will assign a special counsel to see if they concur with said definition of reality
Give me enough drugs 'n booze and I can realistically define realism. However, if it is neo-realism you are looking for ask someone from Gen* in about 20 years.
OOOOOooooo NO NO NO! reality must be defined sober! I could define 'reality' in no uncertain terms if I could be stoned while doing so ... hell next you will want to define normal while on LSD
That should be fun, I'll wear my rose colored cut crystal glasses. Ignore me if I respond with a 'Whoa-wow'!
Most definitely will ignore you, you can only say 'Wow' backwards ... 'Whoa-wow' must be saved for the narrow minded among us....
I accepted reality the day I admitted that my ass really does look fat in pants.
Talk about misinformation [term traceable back to the KGB] Biden says posts on Facebook are killing people 'whoa wow' hate to say it, but if it was Trump saying Facebook posts kill .. the 'self righteous' among us would be freaking the fuck out ....!
Oooo and while on the subject of misinformation ... the resurgence of COVID is all about the unvaccinated ..? yet break through infections are not being counted unless there is hospitalization .. the 'counted' break through cases of the fully vaccinated is at 66k.. far less than the total number vaccinated .. so why is anyone worrying about blood clots or neurological damage from J & J .. the numbers are far less than the total numbers vaccinated with said shot ...
Damn'd I love it when a good 'conspiracy' writes itself.... : )
Stick to knitting Colour Me Defarge ... ; - )
Later, we're talking about disinformation right now.
Democrat regime disinformation…