From adminstration to regime

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  3 weeks ago  •  257 comments


From adminstration to regime
“We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation,” Psaki said. She also said they were trying to boost “trusted content.”

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When the powerful social media platforms began censoring content they didn't like, we were told by people here that it was ok because as long as the government didn't do it, it didn't violate the 1st Amendment. In other words it was an end-around that they used to defeat the Constitution. As long as the denial of speech was against those they don't like it was justy fine. Now the Biden administration has clearly crossed the line. They are instructing social media on what is true and what is false and who should be trusted and who shouldn't.

Here is the spokeswoman for Big Brother:

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Psaki: There’s about 12 people who are producing 65% of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms. All of them remain active on Facebook despite some being banned on other platforms including ones that Facebook owns"

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"Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy issued a warning against health misinformation Thursday, saying that falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death.



In remarks at the White House, Murthy called on social media companies to step up their efforts on the issue, arguing that technology firms “have enabled misinformation to poison our information environment with little accountability to their users.”



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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1  author  Vic Eldred    3 weeks ago

Allright America: What are you going to do about it?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

I heard this on the radio on my way to work this morning and could NOT believe my ears. Holy shit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    3 weeks ago

They've become very blatant. They are feelin their oats.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

Nothing!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 weeks ago

Trumps class action lawsuit is perfect for this!  They are proving the point of government deputizing big tech to censor the free speech rights of ordinary Americans on its behalf.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
1.3.1  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3    3 weeks ago

The lawsuit which has little to no merit and will likely not get far. "Deputizing" big tech? That's funny.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago
What are you going to do about it?

Conspiracy nuts and Trumpsters should leave the rest of America the hell alone. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 weeks ago

"Hard core" progressives should leave tomorrow. Plenty of places for them in Asia.

Oh ya, and take their fucking professors with them along with the Marxist "values."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 weeks ago

Donald Trump literally wanted to retroactively disenfranchise many millions of voters. Please point out where you objected to that. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

That comment is a blatant lie!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
2.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 weeks ago

I read where someone suggested we trade one person from Cuba that wants to escape socialism with one liberal that wants it. Great idea.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

In that case, we could get rid of BLM tomorrow.

Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) wrote: "The extortionist ring known as the  Black Lives Matter  organization took a break today from shaking down corporations for millions & buying themselves mansions to share their support for the Communist regime in #Cuba."

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
2.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 weeks ago

oh look, fascists accusing people that don't agree with them of being commies. deja vu. what's up next? just like locusts, but on an 80 year cycle of re-emergence of destruction. thank you founders, for the 2A.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

What's funny is the whining about Biden over "censorship" when such complaints should be directed towards the private businesses that supposedly engage in such practices.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

Then we should expect the WH to stay out of it and make no comments about how those private businesses operate.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

You see, [removed  please use other members NT name correctly to avoid problems] Corporations bonding with government is the classic definition of Facism.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

Progressive liberals refuse to acknowledge that fact.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.10  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 weeks ago

The WH is free to comment. That doesn't mean a business is compelled to follow.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.11  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

Does the government own or control the businesses in question?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.10    3 weeks ago

I clearly didn't say they weren't allowed.

I find it hard to believe that progressive liberals somehow think it is a good idea.

Had a Republican Administration did the same, the liberals would be hollering their fool heads off.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.11    3 weeks ago

It won't work anymore Gordy. The government is opennly asking for censorship. Joe Biden and his rotten handlers are again violating the constitution. This time violating the 1st Amendment.

As well as the open border - a violation of Article IV Section 4.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
2.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    3 weeks ago

oh, then you're in favor of disclosing dark money contributions to politicians now. cool.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.2    3 weeks ago

Its not a lie. Trump wanted Republican state legislatures to simply declare him the winner of the election. How would that not effectively disenfranchise the millions of Biden voters in those states? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.16  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.13    3 weeks ago

Biden or anyone can ask for anything. But unless something is required by law, a private company is free to honor or refuse any request. So until said companies are compelled, then arguments about Biden trying to influence companies are meaningless.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Participates
2.1.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.13    3 weeks ago
The government is opennly asking for censorship.

So when someone here flags a post they notice is violating the NT CoC does that mean they are "openly asking for censorship"? It seems we are asking for the post to be reviewed for CoC violations, not just censoring content we dislike. I see no difference between that and what Psaki was saying, flagging disinformation for review to see if it violates a media platforms CoC. Just because most of the disinformation is coming from right wing nut jobs and conspiracy theorists doesn't make it partisan government overreach or any sort of violation of free speech.

"Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy issued a warning against health misinformation Thursday, saying that falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death. In remarks at the White House, Murthy called on social media companies to step up their efforts on the issue, arguing that technology firms “have enabled misinformation to poison our information environment with little accountability to their users.”

Is there anything untrue with what he said? Seems like he hit the nail on the head.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.16    3 weeks ago

An excellent point, Gordy. One that I think got lost in this discussion.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.17    3 weeks ago

I would like to point out, that our CoC is here to protect our membership and to have civil discussion. It is not here to censor other members' opinions. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    3 weeks ago
You see, Devon, Corporations bonding with government is the classic definition of Facism.

Only if they are compelled to do so. So far, that does not seem to be the case. Furthermore, presenting this to the public is full transparency. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.15    3 weeks ago
How would that not effectively disenfranchise the millions of Biden voters in those states? 

Because without the evidence that can't happen.

The bottom line John is that the 2020 election was neither stoled nor pristine.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.12    3 weeks ago

If such actions are not being compelled, then whether one thinks they are a good idea or not is subjective and irrelevant. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.23  Gordy327  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.18    3 weeks ago

Thank you Perrie.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
2.1.24  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.20    3 weeks ago
Only if they are compelled to do so.

They are being compelled to do so.  Strongly pressured by the Biden Admin.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.21    3 weeks ago
The bottom line John is that the 2020 election was neither stoled nor pristine.

You see Vic, you are kind of proving my point. That is an opinion and one I have seen often on Facebook. Personally, I don't believe it, but I respect your right to have it and to post it here.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.21    3 weeks ago

Trump TRIED to steal the election. We know that he wasnt successful. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.24    3 weeks ago
They are being compelled to do so.  Strongly pressured by the Biden Admin.

As far as I have read, they are not being forced to do so. The Biden admin is free to ask, and they are free to say no.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
2.1.28  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.27    3 weeks ago
The Biden admin is free to ask,

Should they?  Is it their role to have content edited or removed on social media?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.29  Gordy327  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.24    3 weeks ago

That's nice. Prove it!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
2.1.30  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.28    3 weeks ago

The question I have that no one has touched on is who, yes who, gets to decide what is and isn't disinformation? Again, information and disinformation are both types of information. One is truth (or actually opinion) and one is the opposite (again, opinion) and meant to sway as both are. WHO DECIDES which is which? Truth or fallacy?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.31  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.28    3 weeks ago

It is if they have information that it is from a foreign enemy source, with ample proof, but they should not be able to force private companies to do so.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
2.1.32  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.27    3 weeks ago
he Biden admin is free to ask, and they are free to say no

That's really not how it works.  It's not an equal relationship. There's very little freedom to turn down a government "request"

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.1.30    3 weeks ago

Jim,

An opinion is something that everyone has. It is not fact. It is not information, but the sharing of ideas.

Facts are hardcore and based (in this case), science. 

Also, something that should be considered here is who are these 12? That is what I am interested in.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.32    3 weeks ago

Again, you would have to provide proof of that. While I would deem a government request as serious, if I was not comfortable with complying, I wouldn't do so and I would expect the gov to respect that.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.35  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 weeks ago
Donald Trump literally wanted to retroactively disenfranchise many millions of voters

How so, John?

Be specific in your "facts".

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
2.1.36  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @2.1.5    3 weeks ago

I love it when liberals make accusations of those they don't agree with, then we find out that the liberals are exactly what they accuse the conservatives of.

It's been shown many, many times over the years.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
2.1.37  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.12    3 weeks ago

Trump ignored multiple warnings to stop lying and fomenting violence.

Facebook, Twitter and any other site had the right/duty to ban him.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
2.1.38  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @2.1.36    3 weeks ago
It's been shown many, many times over the years.

projection.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
2.1.39  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    3 weeks ago
You see,  [Removed]  

stop misspelling my name,    [removed,    Members are asked to use other member's NT name correctly to avoid problem.  no points given in either case thanks Charger 383]

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.40  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

Sen. Rubio is exactly right! 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.41  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.16    3 weeks ago

Companies acting in said manner either to escape possible regulations or to curry favor are still acting as agents of government censorship. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.42  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.19    3 weeks ago

It is just that in articles brought to the front page through certain groups.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.43  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.26    3 weeks ago

Biden did steal the election.  We know that he was successful.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.22    3 weeks ago

I am sorry if me voicing my fucking opinion is bothersome to you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.45  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.43    3 weeks ago

That's nice. Prove it!

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.46  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.44    3 weeks ago

No need to get in a tizzy. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.47  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.41    3 weeks ago

No, they are not. They are still private entities. That is just stupid!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.46    3 weeks ago

 !

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.49  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.48    3 weeks ago

Was there something you wanted to say?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.50  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.44    3 weeks ago

We on the right are not allowed to do that without having our character called into question.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.51  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.49    3 weeks ago

I’ll say it!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.1.52  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.46    3 weeks ago

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.53  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.51    3 weeks ago

Say what? Try forming your own words and responses. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.54  Gordy327  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.50    3 weeks ago

Since when do you think you are exempt from question or scrutiny when you voice an opinion?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
2.1.55  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.53    3 weeks ago

( He still thinks people click on his stupid instagrams )

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.56  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.46    2 weeks ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.57  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.49    2 weeks ago

Not allowed.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.58  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.46    2 weeks ago
No need to get in a tizzy. 

I'll let you know if anyone here ever develops the ability to put me into a tizzy.

It sure as hell ain't looking like it will be this year.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Masters Guide
2.1.59  Thrawn 31  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.54    2 weeks ago

Careful Gordy, Texan will get you suspended if you say something he doesn’t like. That’s his thing, talk tough and then report left and right.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.60  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @2.1.55    2 weeks ago

Wishful thinking I suppose.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.61  Gordy327  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.59    2 weeks ago
Texan will get you suspended

Not likely to happen.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.62  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.58    2 weeks ago

Ok then. For a moment, based on your responses, with the explicative, the CoC violations and deletions and such, it seemed you were a little riled up. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.63  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.62    2 weeks ago

For many progressive liberals, what things "seem" like to them and reality are far apart.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.64  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1.59    2 weeks ago
Careful Gordy, Texan will get you suspended if you say something he doesn’t like. That’s his thing, talk tough and then report left and right.

Please do get back to  your little friends after you read the C of C and learn that I can't suspend anyone, so why are you telling tall tales about that when your lie is so easily debunked?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.65  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.63    2 weeks ago

Since I'm not liberal nor do I know many, I wouldn't make presumptions on that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.66  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.65    2 weeks ago

But you did anyways.

So there's that, of course.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.67  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.66    2 weeks ago

No. But if want to believe otherwise, you are free to do so. It just makes you wrong.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.68  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.67    2 weeks ago

Okay, okay, I'll play along and pretend you didn't write post 2.1.62.

Any other fantasies you feel like indulging in?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.69  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.68    2 weeks ago

Pretend whatever you like. Makes no difference to me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.70  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.69    2 weeks ago

No need to pretend when your posted words exist.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.71  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.70    2 weeks ago

I'm not the one pretending.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.73  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.71    2 weeks ago

R-i-g-h-t.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.74  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.73    2 weeks ago

Yes, that is right. Glad you agree.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.75  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.74    2 weeks ago

Well, of course!

A-n-y-t-h-i-n-g you say!!!

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.76  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.75    2 weeks ago

Glad you think so.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.77  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.76    2 weeks ago

it would be nice to know that sarcasm can be recognized, but I can wait for that eventuality to happen.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.78  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.77    2 weeks ago

And here I thought you were interested in a serious discussion. My mistake. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.79  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.78    2 weeks ago

Don't blame me for what you think.

I have tried to discuss things with you, but not interested anymore in futile gestures.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.80  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.79    2 weeks ago

Your CoC violations and juvenile retorts is hardly conducive to a discussion. In that regard, any discussion with you does seem futile and a waste of time.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.81  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 weeks ago

Who are the 'fucking professors'?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.82  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.81    2 weeks ago

Oh, let's see : Angela Davis, Bill Ayers and Wendell Berry for starters.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.83  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.80    2 weeks ago
Your CoC violations and juvenile retorts is hardly conducive to a discussion. In that regard, any discussion with you does seem futile and a waste of time.

And yet, you persist.

Hillary will be so proud!

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.1.84  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.82    2 weeks ago

What a scary triumvirate ... especially Wendell Berry, his Sabbath poems are downright Marxist /s:

The bell calls in the town
Where forebears cleared the shaded land
And brought high daylight down
To shine on field and trodden road.
I hear, but understand
Contrarily, and walk into the woods.
I leave labor and load,
Take up a different story.
I keep an inventory
Of wonders and of uncommercial goods.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.85  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.83    2 weeks ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.86  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.1.84    2 weeks ago

Lol I thought you'd like me adding him into the mix!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.87  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.85    2 weeks ago

I tried it the way management wanted it.  

As of tomorrow I go back to the open forum. Let them do the work and listen to the complaints.




Have a good night Tex.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.1.88  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.87    2 weeks ago

Great.

I'll see you tomorrow!

Have a good one!

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.1.89  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.86    2 weeks ago

He was a weird choice.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.90  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.88    2 weeks ago

See you then.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.91  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @2.1.89    2 weeks ago

I chose him because he didn't like traditional education. Maybe I could have replaced him with Timothy Leary, but I said let me see who would pick up on it.

You have read a lot. I must give you that.

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
2.1.92  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.91    2 weeks ago

If you wanted flak, Jeanne Córdova would have been a 'good' choice.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.93  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.87    2 weeks ago

Vic, I will explain to you tomorrow.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3  Sunshine    3 weeks ago
They are instructing social media on what is true and what is false and who should be trusted and who shouldn't.

Well we knew this all along.  Glad it is out in the open now.

"Surgeon General Vivek H. Murthy issued a warning against health misinformation Thursday, saying that falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death.

Are they going to stop all the disinformation about curing Cancer, Diabetes, etc....?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @3    3 weeks ago

As George Orwell would say "disinformation is real information."

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    3 weeks ago
As George Orwell would say "disinformation is real information."

Orwell neither said nor wrote such drivel. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.1.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.1.1    3 weeks ago
disinformation is real information.

He said "WOULD" say ................................based on his writings

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.3  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

Perhaps one of Orwell's evil characters might have said something so, well, Orwellian. But, that would still be antithetical to what Orwell actually thought and believed. The moral of Orwell's writing was opposite to that BS...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.1.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

Point is, information is information true and relevant or not. It is STILL information of some sort.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

There is a difference between information and disinformation. In fact, both Marxists and Fascists have used disinformation to spread their message. The bigger question is do we allow this to happen especially if it endangers the public welfare. 

For instance, what if another country that is trying to undermine us, is actually doing this? How do you handle that?

As a website owner, these issues are a constant concern. I am a firm believer in the 1st Amendment, but what would I do if I thought a member was a foreign operative?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

You should familiarize yourself with Orwell. He predicted everything the left is now doing....right down to the pronouns!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

And how do we deal with one ideological group trying to censor all other opinions?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.2    3 weeks ago
He said "WOULD" say ................................based on his writings

Then I challenge YOU or Vic to post a link to Orwell's writings that support that ridiculous statement.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.1.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

They are both a form of information and are, due to the beliefs of the presenter, subjective to a point. Kind of like right and wrong. 

"There is no such thing as right and wrong. There's just popular opinion."

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.6    3 weeks ago
You should familiarize yourself with Orwell.

So should you. 

He predicted everything the left is now doing....right down to the pronouns!

Please provide a link to support your claim Vic. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    3 weeks ago
And how do we deal with one ideological group trying to censor all other opinions?

Disinformation is NOT an 'opinion' Vic. Disinformation, by definition, is intended to mislead. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.1.10    3 weeks ago

A link?  We are living through it Dulay!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    3 weeks ago
And how do we deal with one ideological group trying to censor all other opinions?

And how do we know that is what is going on? How do we know that the targeted group is not the Chinese or Russia?

Offer me some proof.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.1.11    3 weeks ago
Disinformation is NOT an 'opinion'

It's newspeak!

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1.15  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    3 weeks ago

Everyone has opinions. That doesn't mean all opinions are equally valid. Neither do all deserve a platform.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.12    3 weeks ago

Vic,

Please provide some proof. This is an issue of public welfare in both the 1st amendment and health.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.9    3 weeks ago
They are both a form of information and are, due to the beliefs of the presenter, subjective to a point. Kind of like right and wrong. 

Nope. Disinformation isn't 'subjective', it's akin to propaganda. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.18  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    3 weeks ago

Newseak would be if the government was producing the information. They are not.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.13    3 weeks ago

Here is the classic example. During the past election Both Twitter and Facebook took extraordinary censorship measures against The Post over its exposés about Hunter Biden's e-mails.

Clearly that was CENSORSHIP to benefit the election of Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.20  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.16    3 weeks ago
This is an issue of public welfare

I would say all diseases are an issue of public welfare.  

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.12    3 weeks ago

That's an obtuse statement Vic. 

Post a link to Orwell's prediction. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.18    3 weeks ago

The government is openly using social media

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    3 weeks ago
It's newspeak!

What words are you claiming are being eliminated or altered by the Administration Vic. Please be specific. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.1.24  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.1.17    3 weeks ago

You may be right..............or not. As stated,

"There is no such thing as right and wrong. There's just popular opinion."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.25  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

NYPOST-censored.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1024

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @3.1.23    3 weeks ago
What words are you claiming are being eliminated or altered by the Administration

Whatever the hell ones they want. We haven't seen the fruits of this move yet. And may not as I am sure there won't be a pop up on Facebook that says "this comment was altered by the Biden administration as it was deemed misinformation"

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.27  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.19    3 weeks ago
Here is the classic example. During the past election Both Twitter and Facebook took extraordinary censorship measures against The Post over its exposés about Hunter Biden's e-mails.
Clearly that was CENSORSHIP to benefit the election of Joe Biden.

Even if that were true [doubtful], it ISN'T an example of 'one ideological group trying to censor 'all other opinions'.

Fail. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.9    3 weeks ago

No, disinformation is a specific tactic meant to corrupt and confuse and not presented as an opinion. Information is factual. So there is a right and a wrong. 

Opinions are not right or wrong. 

Without knowing more, we really don't know anything about the 12 people who are producing 65% of anti-vaccine. They are obviously also trying to kill Trump's real legacy here, too. 

For me to judge, I would need more information on the 12. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.29  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.20    3 weeks ago
I would say all diseases are an issue of public welfare.  

So would I, Sunshine. I don't see where I said otherwise.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.30  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.29    3 weeks ago
So would I, Sunshine. I don't see where I said otherwise.

Well then you would agree that any post on social media regarding the treatment or cure or stats or any information that the government deems disinformation or untrue should be monitored and removed by the suggestion of the government and not just for COVID.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.31  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.19    3 weeks ago
Here is the classic example. During the past election Both Twitter and Facebook took extraordinary censorship measures against The Post over its exposés about Hunter Biden's e-mails.

Then that would be on those corporations and not the government. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.32  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.24    3 weeks ago
There is no such thing as right and wrong. There's just popular opinion.

So you hang your hat on a quote from a fictional character who is criminally INSANE! 

BTFW, the very next sentence in that monologue is:

"You believe in germs don't you?"

OH the fucking irony!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.33  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.1.26    3 weeks ago
Whatever the hell ones they want.

Well THAT'S definitive! /s

We haven't seen the fruits of this move yet.

So Vic jumped the gun. Got ya. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.30    3 weeks ago

That is a loaded question. If we are in the middle of a health crisis, I would be inclined to ask for the removal of disinformation, but keep opinions, but without compelling private companies to do so.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.35  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.34    3 weeks ago
That is a loaded question

No it isn't.  It is what you said.

I would be inclined to ask for the removal of disinformation

The government is not the sole arbiter of disinformation or truths.  I like to see all information available and decide for myself.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.1.36  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.22    3 weeks ago
The government is openly using social media

you seem to have a selective memory when it comes to the ex-POTUS use (abuse) of twitter

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1.37  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.22    3 weeks ago

Is there some law that says they can't? Trump spent more time tweeting than being President. Did you complain about the government open using social media then?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.38  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.35    3 weeks ago

If a foreign government was providing false information, you are good with that?

I am not. If citizens were offering opinions and information they have experienced I am fine with that.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.39  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.38    3 weeks ago

Could be any sources providing false information, why use foreign governments?

We live in a world of false information, books, tv, magazine, newspapers.  I suppose you want the government to monitor and remove content for all of them?  How about Newstalkers?  Do you want the Biden Admin pressuring you to remove content from your site?  Do you agree with that?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.40  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.39    3 weeks ago
Could be any sources providing false information, why use foreign governments?

It could be, hence why I keep saying I would need to know more about these 12 sources.

We live in a world of false information, books, tv, magazine, newspapers.  I suppose you want the government to monitor and remove content for all of them? 

I would never advocate for that.

How about Newstalkers?  Do you want the Biden Admin pressuring you to remove content from your site?  Do you agree with that?

The Biden Administration can ask me and I can ask for proof of disinformation. I would not remove it without proof. As for pressure, we don't know that is happening, do we? 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.41  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.40    3 weeks ago
As for pressure, we don't know that is happening, do we? 

When does the government simply ask for something?  

Again, should they?  Seems Biden thinks he should have control over content in media.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.42  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.41    3 weeks ago

This is the quote from Surgeon General:

"falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death....

have enabled misinformation to poison our information environment with little accountability to their users.”
I don't see where Biden has forced anything. A request was being made and as I said, we know little about the 12 sources to have any an opinion one way or the other.
 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.43  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.42    3 weeks ago
"falsehoods spreading quickly online have subjected large numbers of Americans to avoidable illness and death...

We will "circle back" as Psaki says...this would apply to all diseases as stated in my comment #3 with that quote.

It isn't the governments role to ask for censorship.  It is best for the public to have all the information available to them and make their own decisions that is best for them.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1.44  Gordy327  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.43    3 weeks ago

Much of the public has proven themselves too stupid to know what's best for them. That's never been more demonstrated when many people argued against wearing masks, social distancing, or getting the vaccine. Having all information is well and good. But its useless if there's misinformation in there as well. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.45  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.43    3 weeks ago
this would apply to all diseases as stated in my comment #3 with that quote.

Why would this apply to all diseases? This is a constantly evolving disease. It is unique in that way. Accuracy counts. Time matters. Lives are at stake. This is a pandemic and really there is little room for mistakes.

It isn't the governments role to ask for censorship. 

Again, it is if it is coming from an enemy source.

It is best for the public to have all the information available to them and make their own decisions that is best for them.

I agree, but information is not disinformation and disinformation during a crisis is time and lives. Again, we really don't have all the information on the 12, so I can't determine more than what has been put out there.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.46  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.35    3 weeks ago
The government is not the sole arbiter of disinformation or truths.

The government isn't ANY kind of arbiter on Facebook. They can flag a comment and Facebook decides whether to remove it or not. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.47  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.45    3 weeks ago
Why would this apply to all diseases? This is a constantly evolving disease. It is unique in that way. Accuracy counts. Time matters. Lives are at stake.

That would apply to many diseases. Is the government going to start asking for information to be censored about Cancer, Diabetes, etc?

This is a pandemic and really there is little room for mistakes.  

Citizens are entitled to read all views/information on diseases in a pandemic.  

There are no more COVID pandemic restrictions in my state as in many.  

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.48  Sunshine  replied to  Dulay @3.1.46    3 weeks ago

arbiter

a   person   empowered   to   judge   or   make   determinations:   She   will   act   as   arbiter   in   the   dispute.
Biden isn't making a determination of what he thinks should be flagged for censorship?  
 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.49  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.48    3 weeks ago
Biden isn't making a determination of what he thinks should be flagged for censorship?

You said:

the sole arbiter of disinformation or truths.

Moving the goal posts is BAD FORM Sunshine.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.50  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @3.1.10    3 weeks ago
Please provide a link to support your claim Vic. 

Why do you continue to demand others show proof of their claims when you have never done so?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
3.1.51  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.14    3 weeks ago

I don't even know why anyone engages with this one. Nothing but trying to get others down a rabbit hole, then argue that rabbit hole that no one ever claimed.

Waste of time.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.52  Sunshine  replied to  Dulay @3.1.49    3 weeks ago
The government isn't ANY kind of arbiter on Facebook.

This is your comment I replied to. 
Does it not say “any kind”?

yes, moving the goal post is bad form for you.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.53  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.50    3 weeks ago
Why do you continue to demand others show proof of their claims when you have never done so?

Why do you post comments that are utter bullshit bugsy? 

BTFW, asking someone to PLEASE provide a link isn't a demand. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.54  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @3.1.51    3 weeks ago

You realize that YOU engaged with me just prior to posting that whiny BS right bugsy? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.55  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.52    3 weeks ago

Did you READ the definition YOU posted? 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.56  Sunshine  replied to  Dulay @3.1.55    3 weeks ago

Did you?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.57  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.47    3 weeks ago
That would apply to many diseases. Is the government going to start asking for information to be censored about Cancer, Diabetes, etc?

While cancer and diabetes do matter (and for the record, we do see PSA's on these issues) do not spread through a population. 

Citizens are entitled to read all views/information on diseases in a pandemic.  

Yes, information, not disinformation. I have repeated this over and over.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.1.58  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.56    3 weeks ago

Yes and I actually understand it too. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.59  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.57    3 weeks ago

Yes all information.  Regardless of what you or the government decide what is disinformation.  

The CDC and NIH have flipped flopped so much on their own information concerning COVID they need to flag themselves.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.1.60  Sunshine  replied to  Dulay @3.1.58    3 weeks ago

No I don’t think you do.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.1.61  cjcold  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.41    3 weeks ago

Have been fighting far right wing propaganda and lies emanating from the Heartland Institute for many years now.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.1.62  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @3.1.61    3 weeks ago

The Heartland Institute has been the #1 science denying group ever!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.63  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.35    3 weeks ago
I like to see all information available and decide for myself.

That is exactly what MBFC and big tech social media are designed to prevent.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.64  XXJefferson51  replied to  cjcold @3.1.61    3 weeks ago

When did they become a part of the conversation?  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
3.1.65  charger 383  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.45    2 weeks ago
  "Again, it is if it is coming from an enemy source."
That is something I had not though about,  Could our enemies be planting stuff against vaccines to weaken us?    

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.66  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
There is a difference between information and disinformation.

So, when Dr Fauci told us that masks were not necessary was it disinformation?

Is he the one we are to trust?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
3.1.67  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.66    2 weeks ago

Yes, he is! Far more than some politician or conspiracy theory nut job. An infectious disease expert is probably the person to listen to when dealing with infectious disease.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
3.1.68  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @3.1.49    2 weeks ago

If moving goal posts were an Olympic event, some here would take the gold.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sunshine @3    3 weeks ago

That always made me think. People dissed Mr. Trump for his treatment of the Covid disease while over 600,000 people died of cancer in the US in 2020. Didn't Mr. Obama put Mr. Biden in charge of finding the cure for cancer? Which disease came up with a vaccine in record time? Yep. That one.

I know this is a stretch but hey, a lot of shit on this site is a stretch.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2    3 weeks ago

The only thing Biden is above water on is his handling (via the Trump vaccine) of the pandemic.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
3.2.2  Sunshine  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2    3 weeks ago
Didn't Mr. Obama put Mr. Biden in charge of finding the cure for cancer?

Yep, another Biden failure amongst many.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

The whole concept is hilarious. We know how hard it is to cure cancer. Imagine putting the likes of Biden in charge of it?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2    3 weeks ago

Cancer vs Covid is poor comparison.

We have found vaccines for viruses. We know how to do it.

Cancer is a complex group of diseases, that are both genetic and environmental. We have yet cured a genetic disease of any kind. The closest we have come to curing cancer is targeted therapy, which did happen under the Obama administration after investing about 4 billion dollars into finding a cure.

I do give credit to Trump for his investment into "Warp Speed". I find it sad that there are those individuals who want to try and destroy that.

I think that this is a far more complicated issue than what is being painted here. Disinformation on social media is a tough issue. What do you do when it endangers the public welfare? 

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
3.2.5  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2    3 weeks ago

mRNA vaccines are now being used for cancer.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.6  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    3 weeks ago
(via the Trump vaccine)

the vaccines that were already in R&D well before he even acknowledged the pandemic?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.2.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @3.2.6    3 weeks ago

And would have stayed there for a hell of a lot longer had he not pushed them.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.8  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.7    3 weeks ago

>cough< bullshit >cough<

with billions in profits on the line, it was sprint to the finish among more than one pharma corp. the orange menace did a 180 on the pandemic just to claim credit by issuing a uselessly late EO that attempted to deflect and reassign blame from his previous gross incompetence in dealing with the crisis at the beginning of it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
3.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @3.2.8    3 weeks ago
>cough< bullshit >cough<

Okay now turn your head.

Do you honestly think it would still be out had he not fast tracked and offered cash to speed it up? And the FDA still had say so that takes years usually.

What EO did he issue? 

And the kicker. What should he have done differently in your opinion? Shut the whole country down for months? And trust me that 14 day bullshit wouldn't have done squat. Just like Mr. Biden's "just 100 days. Is that too much to ask? 100 days wear a mask". Well everyone I know did just that and look where we STILL are

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.10  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    3 weeks ago

I'm confidant the delta variant will cull what's left of the denialist herd.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
3.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    3 weeks ago
What EO did he issue? 

13909 on March 18, 2020, over a MONTH after Trump told Bob Woodward how bad COVID is. 

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
3.2.12  devangelical  replied to  Dulay @3.2.11    3 weeks ago

thanks, but why even bother...

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
3.2.13  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

Actually, Biden handled the rollout of the Covid drugs very well. 

It was easy for me to get both shots just by walking in to a CVS.

Trump had nothing to do with different companies developing vaccines.

No such thing as a "Trump vaccine".

Trump dropped the ball very early on the pandemic.

Millions died that didn't have to due to Trump's lies and inaction. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
3.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @3.2.13    3 weeks ago
Millions died that didn't have to due to Trump's lies and inaction. 

Huh??

In what particular universe?????

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
3.2.15  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

The first vaccine was developed without OWS.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

No such thing as the trump vaccine

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.16    2 weeks ago

Oh no/s

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.18  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.17    2 weeks ago

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat that nonsense

Doesn't make it true

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
4  Split Personality    3 weeks ago

It would be nice of you to provide the correct photo of the current Surgeon General for our readers.

Viveck Muthy, the 19th Surgeon General from 2014 to 2017 was removed by the incoming Trump Administration.

The Senate confirmed him for a second stint March 23 2021.

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This time around, seven Republican senators – Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Susan Collins of Maine, Mitt Romney of Utah, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Roger Marshal of Kansas, Rob Portman of Ohio and Dan Sullivan of Alaska – joined all 50 Democrats in voting to confirm President Joe Biden’s pick for the nation’s doctor. It was more than the 51 votes he garnered last time.

You have a picture of Jerome Adams the 20th Surgeon General who resigned 01/21/2021 at the request of the incoming

Biden Administration.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
4.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @4    3 weeks ago

Please feel free to replace the picture if you can. I know Perrie has the power not sure if you do but if you do...........Vic asked me to watch the place as he had to step away and won't mind if you do.

Thanks.

 
 
 
devangelical
PhD Principal
4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1    3 weeks ago

meh, leave [it.deleted]

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @4    3 weeks ago

I just updated the photo to show the current Surgeon General.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
4.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2    3 weeks ago

Thank you Perrie...................

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
4.3  cjcold  replied to  Split Personality @4    3 weeks ago

Anybody Trump hates; I like.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Senior Principal
5  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

I've never seen flip flops with hobnails.  Until now.

And we're being gaslighted to believe that Trump was the Fascist?  

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.1  cjcold  replied to  Nerm_L @5    3 weeks ago

Trump has been a fascist since he was a child. 

He had mafioso as babysitters.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @5.1    3 weeks ago

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Raven Wing
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  cjcold @5.1    3 weeks ago

Fred Trump aka Friedrich Drumpf, was a Nazi sympathizer, and suspected of being an informer for the Nazi regime. Fred was also a member of the KKK and engaged in many KKK activities. This information can be found by searching the Internet.

Due to Fred's Traitorous activities here in America, Donald Trump was well educated about the doings of the Nazi's and Hitler, as well as the KKK. That is why he used some of their tactics following his loss of the 2020 election to try to wrest the Presidency for himself.

This information is not new, and when people know is real background and his extended exposure to the Nazi's and the KKK, they can see what he did, and have an good idea what he will do next.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @5    2 weeks ago

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Jasper2529
Masters Participates
6  Jasper2529    3 weeks ago
Now the Biden administration has clearly crossed the line. They are instructing social media on what is true and what is false and who should be trusted and who shouldn't. Big Tech and The Big Totalitarian Government are now joined.
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@ggreenwald
· Jul 15, 2021 The Biden administration is telling Facebook which posts it regards as "problematic" so that Facebook can remove them. This is the union of corporate and state power -- one of the classic hallmarks of fascism -- that the people who spent 5 years babbling about fascism support.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/critics-slam-psaki-white-houseconsulting-facebook-flag-misinformation?fbclid=IwAR0tnKjx8QVLojIRg1VoqE3IKoqzvEmeIUJ1cDc5xIlXaEcpSRwftUWddVA
 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Right wingers would have it ok for someone to go on facebook  and tell everyone to drink bleach to cure coronavirus. 

Facebook doesnt want their pages used for such nonsense. 

It would be more of a surprise if privately owned social media companies didnt try to keep idiocy off their pages. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago

It was ok with having the idea of a lab leak being condemned as a conspiracy theory

It was ok with salacious rumors about a Russian agent in the White House

It was ok with false stories of Michael Brown having his hands up

it was ok with letting people think that Carter Page was a Russian spy even though he helped the US capture Russian spies in 2013.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    3 weeks ago

Good points which will in all likelihood be ignored.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    3 weeks ago

We're talking about flagged posts Vic. So WHO posted those comments and were they flagged? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.1.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @7.1.2    3 weeks ago
We're talking about flagged posts Vic. So WHO posted those comments and were they flagged? 

We're talking Facebook here not NT.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.3    3 weeks ago
We're talking Facebook here not NT.

WE are talking about the claims in the SEED Jim, which starts with THIS quote:

“We’re flagging problematic posts for Facebook that spread disinformation,” Psaki said. She also said they were trying to boost “trusted content.” Try to keep up. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @7.1.4    3 weeks ago

Vic was talking about comments that were left up on Facebook LONG before this latest round of bullshit Dulay that got NO scrutiny whatsoever. Do try to keep up.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.5    3 weeks ago

Yes, I KNOW Jim and they were very SPECIFIC examples of comments. 

So WHO posted those comments and were they flagged? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @7.1.6    3 weeks ago

You know damned well they weren't flagged FFS. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.7    3 weeks ago
You know damned well they weren't flagged FFS. 

So it seems that what you and yours are bitching about is that the Biden Administration rightfully flags disinformation and that the Trump Administration just whined about it...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Participates
7.1.9  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @7.1.4    3 weeks ago
She [Psaki] also said they were trying to boost “trusted content.”

Exactly WHO determines what "trusted content" means? Choose only ONE:

  • The Biden Administration? Joe? Jill? Hunter? Psaki? 
  • Social Media executives?
  • Left wing MSM?
  • FNC?
  • Pelosi?
  • Schumer?
  • McConnell?
  • WE, THE PEOPLE?
  • You?
  • Me?

With that sentence, Psaki exposed the REAL mission of Biden's collusion with Facebook and other social media. AND, a "private company" is now an arm of the US federal government.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Participates
7.2  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago
Right wingers would have it ok for someone to go on facebook  and tell everyone to drink bleach to cure coronavirus.  Facebook doesnt want their pages used for such nonsense. 

Really? Facebook allows far worse than that debunked bleach crap.

It still allows Islamic terrorists to proclaim death to America and Israel. It allows the radical left media to state that prostitutes peed on Trump. For years, it's allowed Adam Schiff to state that he has "concrete evidence" of Trump being a Russian asset. It allows comments claiming that January 6 was "an armed insurrection" even though no "arms" were found or seized. It still allows claims that Officer Sicknick was "murdered" even though his death certificate states that his cause of death was a stroke.

For the past 1.5+ years, Facebook has flagged all comments about Covid that do not comply with WHO, CCP, Fauci, Tedros, and the Biden Regime.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2    3 weeks ago

armed means in possession of a weapon. it does not only pertain to guns. i think i will donate a dictionary to newstalkers conservatives

(3) armed - Bing

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.1    3 weeks ago

According to a   database compiled by NPR , of the people charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, 15 were armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol.

Eight others facing civil disorder or property destruction charges also were charged with possessing weapons, according to the database.

Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.

Capitol Protesters Were Armed With Variety of Weapons - FactCheck.org

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Participates
7.2.3  Jasper2529  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.2    3 weeks ago

I'm so very glad that you posted comments 7.2.1   and  7.2.2 ! Through those posts, you proved that all of the BLM and Antifa murders, riots, lootings, assaults, rapes, and arson after George Floyd's death were also "armed insurrections". But here's the difference - most of those "armed insurrectionists" weren't arrested. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
7.2.4  Sunshine  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.3    3 weeks ago

John would like people to think that it was a armed militia that stormed the Capitol with Blackhawks and nuclear warheads. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.3    3 weeks ago
But here's the difference - most of those "armed insurrectionists" weren't arrested. 

THOUSANDS of BLM protesters HAVE been arrested. Hell in 3 days, over 420 were arrested in DC alone. Your comment is utter BS. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.6  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.3    3 weeks ago

That is not true. Nobody is given a pass for violent crimes, looting or assaults. Where do you get the crazy idea police give that a pass?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.7  Dulay  replied to  JBB @7.2.6    3 weeks ago

It's the only scenario that fits into their ideology. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
7.2.8  Sunshine  replied to  Dulay @7.2.5    3 weeks ago
Hell in 3 days, over 420 were arrested in DC alone.

Most of those have been dismissed.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @7.2.5    3 weeks ago
over 420 were arrested in DC

Link?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.10  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.9    3 weeks ago

Here's ONE out a plethora of stories about it Jim:

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.8    3 weeks ago
Most of those have been dismissed.

That's irrelevant. They WERE arrested. Thanks for playing. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.12  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.9    3 weeks ago

NYC jails were packed after George Floyd.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Masters Guide
7.2.13  Sunshine  replied to  Dulay @7.2.11    3 weeks ago
That's irrelevant. They WERE arrested. Thanks for playing. 

How many arrested for entering the Capitol have had there charges dropped?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.14  JBB  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.13    3 weeks ago

Eventually most of them will be dropped.

Although, looting a Foot Locker is not equal with the desecration of Congress in a failed attempt to overthrow our sacred Republic!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.2.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @7.2.12    3 weeks ago

We were talking DC and it appears they, for the most part, were curfew violations. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.2.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @7.2.10    3 weeks ago

4 days and curfew violations for the most part. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.17  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.15    3 weeks ago

Curfew violations are hardly attempted coups!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.2.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @7.2.14    3 weeks ago
attempt to overthrow our sacred Republic!

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif       

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.2.19  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @7.2.17    3 weeks ago
attempted coups

There it is again LMAO

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.20  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.18    3 weeks ago

Do you really think you are cute with that shit?

The January 6 insurrection was a failed coup!

Comparisons with BLM protests are plain silly.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Expert
7.2.21  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @7.2.20    3 weeks ago

What shit? The drama queen act? Do you actually know what a coup consists of? What it takes to plan and execute? Do you? It's pretty obvious you don't.

FFS a bunch of rag tag rednecks and morons breaking in to the Capitol practically naked, as far as coup attempts go, and you seriously think they were there to take over the Government? I saw more gawking and awe at where they were than actually looking for blood. They didn't have a fucking chance at what you posit and they knew it FFS.

You deserve that cute shit.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7.2.22  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.21    3 weeks ago

If by "cute shit" you mean lies and disrespect.

Haven't you watched insurrection montages?

One hundred eighty police officers were injured Jan 6th. Both Houses of Congress had to flee from their chambers when the insurgents stopped the certification of the election...

Is that "hahaha" roll on the floor funny to you?

Why should I waste my time on your silliness?

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.23  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.13    3 weeks ago
How many arrested for entering the Capitol have had there charges dropped?

Hopefully NONE. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.25  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.16    3 weeks ago
4 days and curfew violations for the most part. 

Yes Jim, in 4 days over 420 BLM protesters were ARRESTED in DC. Of course NONE of them were insurrectionists. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
7.2.26  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @7.2.25    3 weeks ago

Sure they were. They attacked the White House and Secret service agents. Trump had to be taken to an emergency shelters, just like the congressmen in the January attack. The only difference is the police/secret service were able to maintain the perimeter despite dozens of officers being injured by the mob.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.27  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @7.2.26    3 weeks ago
They attacked the White House and Secret service agents.

Really Sean? How many breached the WH fence Sean? How many even tried? 

Ridiculous. 

Oh and BTW, they kept expanding the perimeter. They even fenced off Lafayette Park which is a designated 'Free speech' area. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Participates
7.2.28  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @7.2.5    3 weeks ago

Have they been held in solitary confinement for > 7 months with no bail and no court date like January 6th people? The answer is NO.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.2.29  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.28    3 weeks ago
Of 398 defendants listed on the justice department’s Capitol breach case site as of 10 May, at least 330 were listed on the site, or in federal court records, as released from custody. At least 56 of those defendants remained in detention.

28 May

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Most of the 300-plus people charged with participating in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot have been released while they await trial, but dozens of those deemed to be dangerous, flight risks or at high risk of obstructing justice were ordered held without bond.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
7.2.30  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.28    3 weeks ago
Have they been held in solitary confinement for > 7 months with no bail and no court date like January 6th people? The answer is NO.

Jasper, you claimed to be happy about John's post which included the link to the NPR database. I suggest you actually READ that data instead of continuing to make ridiculous statements about the 1/6 defendants. 

I know y'all are averse to actual FACTS but here they are nonetheless:

Each defendants arrest, arraignment and status conference date is DOCUMENTED there. Some already have court dates. 

Have some of them been held in facilities whose ENTIRE population is held in 'solitary confinement'? Why yes, YES some are. They are NOT being treated any differently than any other pre-trial defendant in those facilities. They are NOT special snowflakes.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
7.2.31  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @7.2.1    2 weeks ago

My great aunt once assaulted her husband.  The official police report stated a weapon was used......a frozen leg of lamb.  He got a concussion and she got 30 days for assault.

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
7.3  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago
tell everyone to drink bleach to cure coronavirus

Who did that, John?

Show your proof.....and don't use your "I hate Trump" mantra. It's old news.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @7.3    3 weeks ago

I see you are unfamiliar with sarcastic analysis. Not my problem. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.3.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  bugsy @7.3    3 weeks ago

He never ever said or suggested that anyone do that as they all know full well and knew it before it’s ever restated again and again. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
8.1  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8    3 weeks ago

Where do I apply?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
8.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.1    3 weeks ago

First, you must be able to define 'reality'.............. then the government will assign a special counsel to see if they concur with said definition of reality

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
8.1.2  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.1    3 weeks ago

Give me enough drugs 'n booze and I can realistically define realism. However, if it is neo-realism you are looking for ask someone from Gen* in about 20 years.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
8.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.1.2    3 weeks ago

OOOOOooooo   NO NO NO! reality must be defined sober!   I could define 'reality' in no uncertain terms if I could be stoned while doing so ... hell next you will want to define normal while on LSD

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
8.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.3    3 weeks ago

That should be fun, I'll wear my rose colored cut crystal glasses. Ignore me if I respond with a 'Whoa-wow'!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
8.1.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @8.1.4    3 weeks ago

Most definitely will ignore you, you can only say 'Wow' backwards ... 'Whoa-wow' must be saved for the narrow minded among us....

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
8.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Colour Me Free @8.1.1    2 weeks ago

I accepted reality the day I admitted that my ass really does look fat in pants.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Junior Quiet
9  Colour Me Free    3 weeks ago

Talk about misinformation [term traceable back to the KGB]  Biden says posts on Facebook are killing people 'whoa wow' hate to say it, but if it was Trump saying Facebook posts kill ..  the 'self righteous' among us would be freaking the fuck out ....!

Oooo and while on the subject of misinformation ... the resurgence of COVID is all about the unvaccinated ..?   yet break through infections are not being counted unless there is hospitalization .. the 'counted' break through cases of the fully vaccinated is at 66k.. far less than the total number vaccinated .. so why is anyone worrying about blood clots or neurological damage from J & J .. the numbers are far less than the total numbers vaccinated with said shot ...

Damn'd I love it when a good 'conspiracy' writes itself.... : )

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Principal
9.1  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @9    3 weeks ago

Stick to knitting Colour Me Defarge ... ; - )

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
9.2  Dulay  replied to  Colour Me Free @9    3 weeks ago
Talk about misinformation

Later, we're talking about disinformation right now. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.2.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @9.2    2 weeks ago

Democrat regime disinformation…

 
 
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