Milley secretly called Chinese officials out of fear Trump would 'attack' in final days, book claims

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  2 months ago  •  233 comments

By:   Kyle Morris (Fox News)

Milley secretly called Chinese officials out of fear Trump would 'attack' in final days, book claims
A new book claims Gen. Mark Milley called Chine officials in fear that Trump would "attack" during his remaining time in the White House.

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During the final months of former President Donald Trump's term, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley made two phone calls to Chinese officials in fear that Trump would create conflict with the communist nation, a new book has claimed.

In the book, authored by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward and national political reporter Robert Costa, it is alleged that Milley made two secret phone calls, both to his Chinese counterpart, Gen. Li Zuocheng of the People's Liberation Army. The book alleges that the phone calls took place prior to the 2020 presidential election on Oct. 30, 2020, and two days after the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, on Jan. 8, 2021.

According to the book, Milley contacted Zuocheng after he had reviewed intelligence that suggested Chinese officials believed the United States was planning an attack on China amid military exercises in the South China Sea.

"General Li, I want to assure you that the American government is stable and everything is going to be OK," Milley told him during the first call, the book said. "We are not going to attack or conduct any kinetic operations against you."

The book, excerpted in the Washington Post, also stated that Milley told Zuocheng that he would warn him in advance should America decide to "attack."

"Gen. Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time," Milley added, as reported by the book, "Peril," which is set to be released next week. "It's not going to be a surprise."

The authors of the book also claim Milley contacted Zuocheng a second time to reassure him that the U.S. would not make any type of advances or attack China in any form, as Milley promised, "We are 100% steady. Everything's fine. But democracy can be sloppy sometimes."

Those phone calls, according to the book, were never mentioned to Trump, as Milley believed his mental state had declined following the election, something about which he shared his thoughts in a phone call with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on Jan. 8, the same day he called Zuocheng the second time. According to Pelosi, she spoke with Milley that day about "available precautions" to prevent Trump from engaging in military action.

The book also alleges that Milley made a phone call to the admiral in charge of the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command and suggested postponing any additional military exercises. The book also noted that Milley requested senior officers swear an "oath" that his involvement be necessary should Trump give an order to launch nuclear weapons during his final days in office.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

If these allegations are true General Milley is guilty of treason. As of 8 PM EST Milley has yet to deny these allegations.

The book is 

Peril

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JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

Here's a thought. Right after we try and execute Trump for trying to overthrow the US government and reinstall himself as president we'll get around to Milley. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 months ago
Right after we try and execute Trump for trying to overthrow the US government and reinstall himself as president we'll get around to Milley. 

We are trying to discuss something serious here.

Your rant about Trump is unappreciated and is false.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    2 months ago

Its not false at all. Trump specifically wanted the election results to be returned to the states and for the Republican legislatures in swing states to declare that he was the winner. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 months ago

I have a better thought. Why didn't we shoot down all the rioters last summer and arrest all those blue city mayors who aided the mob.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    2 months ago

Get over it John.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    2 months ago

What do you mean "get over it"? Get over that Trump wanted to steal the election? Uh, no. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.2    2 months ago

Please, then, sir, explain why the tough Biden Administration-- with a hard-on for any and all things Trump--hasn't charged him with the crime?

Uncaring or incompetent fools?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    2 months ago
I have a better thought.

Really?

Why didn't we shoot down all the rioters last summer 

Probably for the same reasons that 500 Capital police didn't shoot at thousands demonstrators outside the Capital building

and arrest all those blue city mayors who aided the mob.

for what?  Do you have film of these mayors committing crimes?

If you do and haven't turned them in you are obstructing justice.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
1.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    2 months ago

Precedent, we aren't a banana republic yet.

In a recent interview   with NPR's Lulu Garcia-Navarro, Biden said: "I will not interfere with the Justice Department's judgment of whether or not they think they should pursue a prosecution."

But he hastened to add that an administration pursuing criminal charges against its predecessor would be "a very, very unusual thing and probably not very, how can I say it? good for democracy — to be talking about prosecuting former presidents."

Based on those remarks, Biden seems to be on the way to adopting the position of former President Barack Obam. Back in 2009, the newly elected Obama said he didn't want to get hung up on prosecuting wrongdoers. He was referring to people who had engaged in torture and warrantless wiretapping during the previous administration.

Instead, Obama told ABC News at the time, his instinct was to make sure those practices never happened again.

Would A Biden Justice Department Prosecute Trump? It's Complicated : NPR
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    2 months ago
Probably for the same reasons that 500 Capital police didn't shoot at thousands demonstrators outside the Capital building

They did shoot and kill one protester, We will never forget.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.8    2 months ago
Precedent, we aren't a banana republic yet.

Precedent means precious little other than in a court of law.

Prosecuting someone you think is guilty of a crime seems far less "banana republic" to me compared to letting someone you think is guilty of a crime walk away.

Pretending that Trump isn't under investigation and may soon be under federal indictment doesn't support your argument about precedent on not prosecuting former Presidents, either.

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
1.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    2 months ago

Had she been an antifa member, you/we would have cheered.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.1.12  GregTx  replied to  Hallux @1.1.11    2 months ago

WTF does that even mean? Were there Antifa members gunned down that conservatives cheered and gloated about?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    2 months ago

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Split Personality
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1.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.10    2 months ago
Pretending that Trump isn't under investigation and may soon be under federal indictment doesn't support your argument about precedent on not prosecuting former Presidents, either.

A couple of things there.   ISN'T and MAY BE aren't arguments, they are weak speculation.

Trump is under investigation for a ton of things that happened before he was President

like insurance fraud, state tax evasion and possible federal tax evasion.

Possible campaign fraud but those are usually restitution and a slap on the wrist because he can always blame other people.

US policy is to NOT prosecute former Presidents and cabinet members or NSA's.

We didn't even prosecute Jeff Davis or Robert E Lee ...

and we didn't prosecute James Schlessinger when he basically told the Joint Chiefs to ignore

any of Nixon's direct orders when Nixon was losing it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.8    2 months ago

Babbitt was not an innocent protester - she was a domestic terrorist and got what she deserved.  Justice was served.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.13    2 months ago
Are you talking about the precedent case, Roe v Wade?

No.

Jesus Christ, did you read that in my post? Are we talking about abortions here?

WTF are you going on about???????

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.14    2 months ago
US policy is to NOT prosecute former Presidents and cabinet members or NSA's.

Fine. Show me that policy.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.1.18  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 months ago

Better idea - court martial and jail Milley for violation of the UCMJ and let Congress and the FBI conduct an investigation - just like the one they did with Flynn.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.19  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.18    2 months ago

Flynn espoused QAnon.  Come back to reality. They are not comparable. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
Professor Guide
1.1.20  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.19    2 months ago

And Milley "probably" espouses Larry Flynt - your point?  Milley has violated the UCMJ - what he did WAS/IS NOT in his job description, no matter what a few on NT say.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.21  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.20    2 months ago

My understanding is that Milley knew his phone calls with China might be seen as him superceding his authority, and was willing to do it anyway out of duty to the country, not the UCMJ. 

Although I doubt this will lead to his removal, I think he is ready for whatever happens. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.21    2 months ago
My understanding is that Milley knew his phone calls with China might be seen as him superceding his authority,

Because it did.

He was wrong, and should be court-martialed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.22    2 months ago

At the time Milley spoke to China Trump was spouting ridiculous conspiracy theories, interfering with the aftermath of a US election and trying to get himself reinstated outside the established electoral process. He was unhinged. Some people say he's always like that so what is the big deal? 

Milley made the right call. Will he pay a price? We shall see. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.23    2 months ago

Milley was wrong no matter how hard you spin.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.22    2 months ago
He was wrong, and should be court-martialed.

Yeah,  meddling in  our foreign policy, offering to commit treason and almost certainly leaking this to Woodward are all fireable offenses. 

He's up there with MacArthur as far as politicized generals go, and he has none of MacArthur's talents or accomplishments. 

He's set a horrible and very dangerous precedent.  I'd think even Democrats can see the problem with this. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.25    2 months ago

Milley did the right thing. If he is punished on the letter of the law he will accept it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.27  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.24    2 months ago

It is not spin. Trumps bizarre behavior is documented in four separate books now by four separate and unconnected authors. The right is in complete denial. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.26    2 months ago
Milley did the right thing. If he is punished on the letter of the law he will accept it. 

Milley deserves to be court-martialed. He was WRONG.

Also, he won't have any choice but to accept whatever deserved punishment ultimately comes his way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.29  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.28    2 months ago

Y'all want to put Milley's actions in a context outside of Trump's bizarre behavior at the time. We are not going to let you do that. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.29    2 months ago

The mere fact that you refuse to admit that Milley was wrong is astounding.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.31  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.30    2 months ago

I am not a lawyer and dont know what his defense to charges of "treason" might be. So I wont speculate on innocence or guilt. 

I know I have had ABC on all morning in the background with their various shows that are mostly news oriented and Milley has barely even been a topic. 

It seems to be going nowhere. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.31    2 months ago
I am not a lawyer and dont know what his defense to charges of "treason" might be. So I wont speculate on innocence or guilt. 

Seems completely at odds with your posts over the last 5 years.

I know I have had ABC on all morning in the background with their various shows that are mostly news oriented and Milley has barely even been a topic. 

Yeah, other things are going on in the world.

besides, much of the mainstream media will tend to ignore it because even they know Milley was wrong.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.33  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.32    2 months ago

One does not have to be a lawyer to correctly analyze Trump and trumpism. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.33    2 months ago

And one doesn't have to be a lawyer to recognize what Milley did was wrong.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Quiet
1.1.35  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 months ago
'Right after we try and execute Trump for trying to overthrow the US government...'

But where are these proceedings happening? Has a trial date been set? Have charges even been laid? The refusal/failure to do these things effectively sanctions continuing efforts to destabilize and overthrow the US regime. The lack of action screams that the US regime has already fallen and is now in the hands of those with no commitment to the historic 'United States.' This is not to be read as a partisan comment. It is rather that such remarks as you make are all that remain of the US Republic.

And someone making remarks on a[n internet] street corner do not fit my definition of a republic.

At some point, it must be asked, 'what's next.'

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Quiet
1.1.36  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.6    2 months ago
'... explain why the ... Administration ... hasn't charged him with the crime...'

Easy!

The socio-political fortunes of Biden's Next 9% faction derive from the affluence and status of the 1%.

Next question?

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Quiet
1.2  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

'...the Chinese military considered an American military strike to be likely under conditions where Trump was refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power.'

'...Trump’s refusal to concede defeat after the election intensified both fears in China and the internal crisis and conflict within the American state.'

'Rather than alert the public as the coup was unfolding, the Democrats did everything they could to keep the crisis contained to the state and military apparatus.'

GOP supporters likewise refuse to acknowledge the intention to bury Biden in this US Reichstag moment. With no section of the ruling class opposing these efforts ...

'Trump in effect called for a police state...'

With '...Democrats continu[ing] to plead for “unity” with Trump’s Republican co-conspirators.'

Quote source :

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2  Texan1211    2 months ago

Even if one can rationalize the calls to start with, this statement would have to be considered damning by anyone with a brain:

"Gen. Li, you and I have known each other for now five years. If we're going to attack, I'm going to call you ahead of time," Milley added, as reported by the book, "Peril," which is set to be released next week. "It's not going to be a surprise."

I believe that statement would qualify as "aiding and abetting" the enemy.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2    2 months ago

According to the book Milley was undercutting Trump all the way. Even Vindman is calling for his resignation!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    2 months ago

Get back to me when you have read the book, not just a few excerpts.

I thought, you thought Vindman was a POS traitor/foreigner ?

Wow!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.1    2 months ago
Get back to me when you have read the book, not just a few excerpts.

Why?  An allegation has been made. We await General Milley's acceptance or denial. Hopefully there is a resignation in there at some point.


I thought, you thought Vindman was a POS traitor/foreigner ?

And I thought that you viewed him as a trust worthy wistleblower?


Wow!

OMG!

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
2.2  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @2    2 months ago

Sounds like he was trying to calm down General Li.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @2.2    2 months ago
Sounds like he was trying to calm down General Li.

Sorry, I wasn't aware that it was his job to calm down General Li or any other foreign officer for that matter.

Promising to warn an enemy of an impending attack just somehow feels wrong to me.

Imagine that.

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
2.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.1    2 months ago

Think I'll read the book and not take the word of FOX or Just The News ... imagine that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
2.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Hallux @2.2.2    2 months ago

Just The News is not a legitimate news source. Its founder is a well known conspiracy theorist. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Hallux @2.2.2    2 months ago
Think I'll read the book and not take the word of FOX or Just The News .

Okay.

Get back to me then.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.1    2 months ago

As Chairman JCS & as Army Chief of Staff is is among his duties to meet and get to know his counterparts,

friends and foes

as well as advise the CIC and SecDef.

His job is to prevent a war and if that's not possible win it post haste.

He is completely within his job description.

At least as far as we know, he countermanded none of Trumps orders.

Imagine that

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.5    2 months ago
As Chairman JCS & as Army Chief of Staff is is among his duties to meet and get to know his counterparts,

friends and foes

as well as advise the CIC and SecDef.

Not in dispute, and not what I am saying he did wrong. But that makes me wonder--did he advise the CinC of his phone calls, or what he discussed and promised?

His job is to prevent a war and if that's not possible win it post haste.

Within the confines and under the authority of the President.

He is completely within his job description.

Doubtful his job description calls for him to inform the enemy of an impending attack, but feel free to prove me wrong.

At least as far as we know, he countermanded none of Trumps orders.

Which may very well to do with why I haven't claimed that.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.2.7  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.5    2 months ago

Wait.... what?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.6    2 months ago
Which may very well to do with why I haven't claimed that.

No need to deny something that was an observation of someone else's behavior.

I have read that transcript and for whatever reason, (lol ) Just the News cherry picked a few comments out of a 90 minute conversation.

The same slanderous book depicts Trump as out of control and ordering all US troops out of Somalia by

Christmas and Afghanistan by 01/15/2021 so he could take the credit away from Biden,

These EOs were apparently written alone in secret with no input 

from any cabinet members or military aides.  Milley, Patel and even Chris Miller were blindsided by the EO

and went to the WH to see O'Brian & Trump.  They never got to see Trump. NSA O'Brian told Trump the

order was inappropriate. Obrian told Milley, Miller and Patel that the order was in error and "withdrawn".

The American government is a series of checks and balances to protect the many form the weaknesses or

impetuousness of the few.

Like Schlessinger before him Milley did his job.

He's every bit the hero that Dan Quayle is for convincing Mike Pence to do his duty.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.2.9  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.8    2 months ago

Do you see the problem with your scenario?

They followed the chain of command. Obrian went to Trump- he didn't just stop the orders on his own.

No evidence that Milley did the same when consulting with China; and making promises to warn them in advance of any US attack.

He also asked for loyalty oaths from those officers beneath him.

The leftist BS machine is in full spin mode trying to protect it's new hero.

Since the left seems to need an example- Milley is the perfect example of a traitor and seditionist if what the book claims is true.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.8    2 months ago
No need to deny something that was an observation of someone else's behavior.

Also no need to state what no one is disputing then.

These EOs were apparently written alone in secret with no input  from any cabinet members or military aides.  Milley, Patel and even Chris Miller were blindsided by the EO

Not required, so why does it matter? A President can write his own EOs. Show me the requirement and then you may have a point.

And since you seem to think Milley acted appropriately, we are done, I won't continue with someone who encourages and cheers insubordination and insurrection.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.11  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.5    2 months ago

Like Flynn???

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.12  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.10    2 months ago

OH thank god, can I hold you to that?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.12    2 months ago

Gee, SP, CAN you?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.14  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.11    2 months ago

When Was Flyyn on the Joint Chiefs?

When was he sworn in as NSA and when were those phone calls?

And when did he finally register retroactively as an agent for a foreign government?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.15  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.13    2 months ago

longer than a minute, LMAO.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.15    2 months ago

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Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.17  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @2.2.9    2 months ago
Do you see the problem with your scenario?

No, the POTUS never gives written orders, EO's or memos directly to the Pentagon.

Those come through the DefSec or NSA, usually both.

Two people plus Trump circumvented that process evading the checks & balances.

Got it?

O'Brian fixing the issue is not a credit to Trump, he did that in spite of Trump.

When Nixon was drunk and talking out loud about creating a distraction, Schlessinger and the Joint Chiefs

did the same thing to Nixon by making sure that all orders went through the whole chain of command.

It's not a left - right thing. 

But thanks for usual partisan nonsense.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.16    2 months ago

So I guess these means your still talking to me?

Damn.

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.19  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.18    2 months ago

Man, what gave you a clue?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.20  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.19    2 months ago
we are done, I won't continue with someone who encourages and cheers insubordination and insurrection.

Sorry, I took you at your word.

My bad.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.21  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.20    2 months ago

yeah, and I took you for an American who cares about the law.

My bad.

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.2.22  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.21    2 months ago

Get back to me when you find out what the law IS

as opposed to what you think it is or should be.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.23  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.22    2 months ago

Why, do you need an explanation?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Milley may have decided to talk his way out of it. One might reasonably surmise Woke General Mark Milley gave those stories to Woodward thinking he would be praised. Now realizing it’s not playing well with non-deranged people outside his DC bubble, he’s trying to walk them back.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Sen. Rubio Demands Biden Fire Gen. Milley Over Secret Calls With China

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    2 months ago

Of course he does. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    2 months ago
Of course he does. 

Think about it John, If Woodward's book is accurate, General Milley conspired against President Trump and in effect installed himself as the de facto Commander in Chief post-election. Meanwhile, he alerted his Chinese counterpart.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    2 months ago

Doesn't it sound odd to hear people now supporting insurrection, overthrowing the legal government of the United States, and "loyalty pledges"?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    2 months ago

We did have an insurrection. It may have come from one military officer. Let us hope that by morning Milley tells us that it's not true!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5  seeder  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

"The military community erupted Tuesday in response to reports that Gen. Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, held secret phone calls and meetings in a surreptitious effort to sidestep the authority of his then-commander-in-chief, President Donald Trump.

"If this is true GEN Milley must resign,"  tweeted Alexander Vindman,  a retired Army lieutenant colonel who in 2019 was a key witness against Trump in impeachment hearings.  

Milley's actions include making secret calls to the chief military officer in Beijing, and summoning top American military officers to a clandestine gathering to demand that they only obey command orders that came through Milley, according to the authors of a forthcoming book. 

The actions are reportedly described in a forthcoming book, "Peril," by Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. Milley took the unprecedented actions because he was afraid Trump might launch a nuclear strike, the authors wrote. 

Vindman expressed outrage that Milley directly and independently contacted the foreign military official.

"He usurped civilian authority, broke Chain of Command, and violated the sacrosanct principle of civilian control over the military," Vindman wrote. "It's an extremely dangerous precedent. You can't simply walk away from that."

If the account in the book is accurate, Milley should be brought up on charges, according to one Pentagon official who spoke to Just the News.

"He isn't a military dictator, and this isn't his decision to make, to unilaterally contact a foreign government," said the official, who is not authorized to speak to the press. "I would expect him to be brought up on charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice."  

In addition to personally calling the communist Chinese official, Milley on Jan. 8 elicited oaths from senior officers inside the National Military Command Center inside the Pentagon, according to the book's authors. The four-star general aimed to solidify his authority over military decisions that belong to the commander in chief.

"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure," Milley said, according to the authors. "You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure." He looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally agree.

The meeting took place around the time Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi told Democrats that she had been assured that safeguards were in place to prevent Trump from launching a nuclear weapon.  

Trump was not on record as having said he planned to order a nuclear strike.

Milley could not immediately be reached for comment.


 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    2 months ago
The military community erupted

One is quoted by name and one is not, but hey let's turn 2 into the military community. Damn I hate partisan writing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @5.2    2 months ago

How dare they!

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    2 months ago

So happy you agree ...

 
 
 
GregTx
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8  GregTx    2 months ago

If any of this is true, General Milley is guilty of treason imo.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.1  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @8    2 months ago

Without a doubt.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.2  Ronin2  replied to  GregTx @8    2 months ago

Note to the left, this is what sedition really looks like!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

Maybe Milley should be commended for preventing China from making a pre-emptive strike caused by a stupid move on the part of Trump. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago

After all, Trump's  behaviour was so irrational (the"fix", the "stolen" election) at the time it is hard to know WHAT he might have done.  I recall posting a comment around that time that I hoped he was not going to be allowed near the "button". 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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9.2  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago

That is not how our government works.

The military doesn't get to usurp the power of CiC because they feel like it; don't trust it CiC; or more than likely in this case didn't like the CiC.

If Milley did have direct talks with China w/o Trump's knowledge- then he is guilty of treason.

If Milley asked for loyalty oaths from the officers beneath him; and they gave it, or stayed silent about it- then they are all guilty of sedition.

If this is true; and by Milley's silence it damn well sure looks like it, then he needs to be fired now- and be put up on military charges along with those officers under him that were involved. 

How the hell did a narcissistic, woke, incompetent, jackass like Milley ever rise so high in the military? Better still why was he kept around so long in DC?

The left are all loving Milley right now. But from the looks of it they are backing a traitor and seditionist. The left really does love it's criminals. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @9.2    2 months ago

As far as how your government "works", I've seen some pretty unbelievable things over the past year. I'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who shook his head during that time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago
Maybe Milley should be commended for preventing China from making a pre-emptive strike caused by a stupid move on the part of Trump. 

Senator Rubio probably said it best yesterday when he asked What if General Milley thought Biden was senile and took the same actions?  Then we know that he would have been Court-Martialed!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3    2 months ago

You're comparing Biden with Trump?  Well, thanks, I'll be signing off here soon with a smile on my face.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.3.1    2 months ago

Have a good night. Sometime soon we need to discuss Peking Duck.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.3.2    2 months ago

Perhaps a few years ago I posted an article about Peking Duck, but happy to discuss it with you.

food-drink-peking-ducks-chinese-chinese_foods-eat-tzun679_low.jpg

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.3.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.3.3    2 months ago

Never had it. What's it like?

I'll wait on that. Talk later

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.4  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    2 months ago

Milley should be court-martialed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Good Morning America barely mentioned Gen Milley today (less than 30 seconds) .

Some "bombshell" issue. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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10.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 months ago

MSNBC and CNN are talking about him like he is a hero.

Is anyone surprised?

It's just another thing for Klain & Rice to defend.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 months ago

You mean show hosted by the Democratic Sean spicer broadcast the party line? 

Wow! 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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11  evilgenius    2 months ago

IF the book is correct about Milley, then the book must also be correct about Trump's deteriorating mental state. So then logically you either believe the book is false or Milley is a minor hero. Personally I don't form opinions on political books without other sources of evidence. IF appropriate agencies want to know more I'll follow along and then form an opinion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilgenius @11    2 months ago

Really?  So if a book contains a single fact everything else in it must be true?

You may have just verified every book ever written.

 
 
 
squiggy
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12  squiggy    2 months ago

What happened to the Marine 0-5 who spoke his conscience? Milley goes to the bottom of that toilet.

 
 
 
squiggy
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12.1  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @12    2 months ago

… and there are no kiss-and-tell books among the honorable.

 
 
 
squiggy
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12.2  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @12    2 months ago

… and there are no kiss-and-tell books among the honorable.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @12.2    2 months ago

How many trumpturdians have books out?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.1    2 months ago
there are no kiss-and-tell books among the honorable.

Trump is being done in by his own kind then. 

 
 
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