There is a limit to how far you can push Americans

  
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By:   Tucker Carlson

There is a limit to how far you can push Americans
And yet others are taking a stand purely on principle. They believe that in a free country, politicians should never be allowed to force citizens to submit to medical treatment they don't want. These are Americans who grew up in a country where that fact was taken for granted, everybody assumed it, and they want to preserve that country for their children. That's their motive. But whatever their various reasons, the unvaccinated employees of Southwest Airlines, the many of them, are decent,...

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Let’s go Brandon is going into more Orwellian double speak and dystopian actions by the day.  Biden and the blue parts of America are turning on and vilifying other Americans and they are making a stand of their own. Tucker yet again absolutely nailed it with what he said here.  


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There is a limit to how far you can push Americans


The actions of Southwest Airlines' pilots show there will be backlash to Biden's vaccine mandates



Tucker Carlson 6 hours ago



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Joe Biden showed up at a construction site in Illinois last Thursday to explain what a terrific job he's been doing. Biden's poll numbers, you may have noticed, have declined recently, not just by a little bit, but by such a dramatic margin that some prominent Democrats are openly worried about it. The midterms are in a year. 







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So the point of last week's appearance outside Chicago was to remind all of us in the country that our perceptions of Biden's performance are silly and baseless. Actually, Joe Biden is a great president. He's totally aware of what's happening. He's completely on top of things. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's got your well-being at heart. Not the narrow economic interests of some soulless multinational corporation that hates America and your family. No, you! Because Joe Biden is awesome. 

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And to prove it. Biden talked at length about the COVID vaccine. His greatest achievement, he said. Now, strangely, Biden didn't say a lot about the vaccine itself. He did note that if you get the shot, you could not spread COVID to other people. And if there were doctors in the audience, they might have been confused because that is ridiculously and provably untrue. Of course, the vaccinated can spread COVID, and they do. 

But Biden didn't pause and dwell on the science such as it is. Instead, Biden spent virtually his entire speech attacking any American who hasn't yet gotten the shot. Now you've heard him say that a lot, but it's worth taking a closer look at what Joe Biden said last week outside Chicago. Go, look it up for yourself. It's on the C-SPAN website. 


As you watch it, ask yourself, has any president in our history ever talked about millions of American citizens like this? This is the way presidents talk about foreign enemies or dictators talk about enemies in their midst. It's not the way American presidents talk, or ever have. Ever, for any reason, under any circumstances. We can't think of a single example, even during the Civil War. 

And yet, according to Joe Biden , unvaccinated Americans are the root of this country's problems. They're destroying our economy. They are killing our people. The unvaccinated, Biden said, are solely responsible for the outbreak of the Delta variant of COVID, the outbreak that has left tens of thousands of Americans dead. 

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Biden noted this to the morbidly obese governor of Illinois, J.B. Pritzker , who nodded from behind his mask as if all of this was settled science. And then Joe Biden kept going. The unvaccinated are dangerous, he announced. They are diseased. They're dirty. They are unpatriotic. They are selfish. They are pathogens in human form. They have caused this deadly virus to "spread to our children, to spread throughout society." 

They suffer because of their absurdity and their self-inflicted suffering burdens the rest of us. They "overcrowd our hospitals" like a plague of swarming, gasping insects, they "overrun our emergency rooms and intensive care units." Americans. And as they lie, they're ventilated, dying, reaping the rewards of their own sin, these miscreants "leave no room for someone with a heart attack or in need of a cancer operation." 

These people get no sympathy because they're barely people. The unvaccinated Biden told us. Die their much-deserved deaths, but even as they die, they burdened the rest of us. That's how horrible they are. They're subhuman they’re wreckers of a nation. 


We're not overstating any of this, by the way. Go watch Biden's speech, it's online. The question is: once you've identified a diseased fifth column like this within the country that you run, What do you do with them? Biden got to that toward the end of his speech. 

JOE BIDEN:  These requirements work, and as the Business Roundtable, others told me when I announced the first requirement that encourage businesses to feel they could come in and demand the same thing of their employees. More people are getting vaccinated, more lives are being saved. Let's be clear: when you see headlines and reports of mass firings and hundreds of people losing their jobs, look at the bigger story. … Over the past week we've seen American, Southwest, Alaska, JetBlue Airlines all announce requirements. 

Yeah, there have been mass firings, the president said. But when you see reports of mass firings of law-abiding American citizens, Joe Biden told us, what you're really seeing is progress. You should celebrate. 

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Think about that. No American president has ever made a statement like that, cheering the firing of law-abiding Americans in the multitudes. But Joe Biden did. He didn't even pause. He says things like that regularly. Now that's fine if you're on Joe Biden's side, apparently. 

But what if Joe Biden was talking about you? What if he was talking about your livelihood, your career, the future of your family? How would you feel? We should consider that, because these are Americans he's talking about, and as we do consider that, think about what happened to air travel in America over the weekend. 


Southwest Airlines, you may have read this, one of our biggest carriers all but shut down on Saturday and Sunday, the airline canceled thousands of flights. It threw the nation's famously efficient system of air travel into total chaos. It's stranded countless travelers in airports. Again, you saw it on the news. 

The question is how did this happen? Well the official explanation came right away. It was bad weather on the eastern seaboard. There were thunderstorms. There were also unspecified issues with air traffic control and all of that together forced Southwest Airlines, alone among airlines, to cancel its flights. 

That's what the company Southwest Airlines claimed. They claim that in a statement to us today, a long statement. It's what many media outlets have repeated uncritically for the past two days. 

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And yet we can tell you it is untrue. All of that is a lie. It's not what happened. We've spoken to several people with direct knowledge of what actually did happen. We can tell you that the shutdown of Southwest Airlines over the weekend was a direct consequence - it was a reaction to - Joe Biden's vaccine mandates. 

It began last week when Gary Kelly who is a CEO of Southwest, sent an internal memo to his employees declaring that, per Joe Biden's directive, any Southwest employee who was not fully vaccinated by the 8th of December will be fired. Canned. Done, right before Christmas. 


Now, this would include not simply pilots on Southwest and flight attendants, of course, but ramp workers, mechanics, dispatchers, schedulers, ticket agents, people from the top to the very bottom. Many thousands of people. 

Now, some unknown but apparently large number of these people have still not been vaccinated. Why is that? Well, many of them have already recovered from COVID. They have antibodies that offer them greater protection than any vaccine ever could. That's the science. So they don't want the vaccine. 

Others have sincere religious objections. They object to the use of aborted fetal tissue in the development of pharmaceuticals. So they don't want it. They believe it violates their faith. Still, others have friends or co-workers or relatives who have suffered severe side effects from the vaccine, and therefore they are afraid to take it. That makes sense. Don't make fun of them. That's real. 

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And yet others are taking a stand purely on principle. They believe that in a free country, politicians should never be allowed to force citizens to submit to medical treatment they don't want. These are Americans who grew up in a country where that fact was taken for granted, everybody assumed it, and they want to preserve that country for their children. That's their motive. 

But whatever their various reasons, the unvaccinated employees of Southwest Airlines, the many of them, are decent, high functioning Americans, and they have watched as their own government has dismissed them out of hand as criminals for reasons that don't even make sense.


Consider the argument they're hearing from Joe Biden: You must get the shot for the sake of people who've already gotten the shot because the shots don't work well enough to protect the people who've already gotten them. That's what Joe Biden and the entire American health establishment is telling them. So imagine making that argument to an airline pilot, someone whose entire job is based on logic. It is utterly bewildering to them, because it doesn't make sense. It's just too unreasonable.

"I've flown military jets in three different war zones," one pilot told us this weekend. "I have never lost sleep like this. The stress is beyond belief. It's dangerous." People are melting.

So this weekend in protest, a large number of southwest pilots called out sick and they effectively shut down their airline. And many of them, you should know, admire the company they work for. They love Southwest Airlines, but they felt they had no choice but to do this. Nobody was standing up for them, not the United States Congress, which, by the way, has exempted itself from vaccine mandates, not even their labor union, which exists and is paid to defend them. But they're not. 

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So in desperation, the pilots committed the most basic act of nonviolent civil disobedience, something we used to celebrate in this country. They stayed home. Now, at the same moment, they decided to do this, a large group of air traffic controllers apparently reached the very same conclusion. An estimated 6,000 federal air traffic controllers have not yet received the Biden mandated shot. That's nearly half of all air traffic controllers in this country. And they all, as federal employees, have until next month to submit or they will be fired. And when they are fired, our air traffic control system, which is already dangerously short-staffed, ask anyone who works in it, will stop. It will cease completely just in time for the holidays. 

Now, once again, the controllers union has been no help to them. And once again, the media have aligned with the Biden White House to vilify them, not as people who are being persecuted as a matter of conscience, but as criminals. So on Friday, apparently, they took action. The air traffic control headquarters in Jacksonville, Florida, known to all pilots as Jacksonville Center, shut down. This never happens. It didn't even happen when there was a fire in a Chicago air traffic control center. They managed to keep air traffic control going. 

But this weekend, Jacksonville Center shut down because there was simply no one to man it. There was no one there. The effects of this were profound, and they were immediate. Jacksonville Center controls the airspace in this country from Orlando to Raleigh, North Carolina, as well as far out over the Atlantic Ocean. That's some of the most crowded air routes in the world. 

Air traffic controllers in Atlanta watched as planes headed for South Florida, rerouted west, and wound up over the Mississippi River. That would be the world's longest detour. And for a moment, in the chaos, it became clear that Joe Biden is not the only person in this country who has power. It turns out there is a limit to how far you can push some Americans. 


So in that way, it might have been cast as an inspiring story - man against the machine. But the media had no interest in telling that story. In fact, some on the corporate left suggested the Southwest pilots had somehow committed what is known as an illegal job action. Illegally not showing up for work, as if politicians have a right to force Americans to labor against their will. 

Now, some of us had assumed that was a condition we would recognize as the textbook definition of slavery. But no, it's illegal not to work, they told us. And then at least one outlet describe what the pilots had done as "domestic terrorism." Get to work immediately wage earner or you're al Qaeda. 

There were more cancellations at Southwest Airlines today, no doubt there will be more to come and not just of airline flights. At least two Amtrak train routes in the Northeast were canceled over the weekend and, so was a regularly scheduled car ferry in Washington state out to the San Juan Islands. In all cases, the employees in question, who have been told to get the shot, did not show up. 

Were these also protests against the Biden shot mandates? We can't say for certain. It certainly wouldn't surprise us, because that's our future. Thousands and thousands of Americans, the best among us in many cases, will be stripped of their livelihoods, of their lives by the Biden White House's mandates.

 This is not a small thing. As of tonight, more than 50,000 U.S. Marines still have not received the shot, as well as a large percentage of the Navy SEAL teams. What will happen when these people are gone from the force? Who's going to protect this country? Who's going to protect our cities? 

In Seattle, to name just one example, the city is moving forward toward firing fully 40 percent of the entire police force over the Biden shot mandates. Good luck getting your emergency calls answered after that, and so on. 

Our hospitals, our schools, our national labs, scientists and researchers at Oak Ridge and Los Alamos, among others. All torn apart by a purge overseen by Susan Rice that has nothing whatsoever to do with public health and everything to do with the accumulation of political power. 

That is happening right now. Make no mistake, it will continue to happen unless good people work immediately to stop it. 

This article is adapted from Tucker Carlson's opening commentary on the October 11, 2021 edition of "Tucker Carlson Tonight."


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XXJefferson51
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…A commercial airline pilot slammed President Biden for his September edict mandating most U.S. employees receive an injection of the coronavirus vaccine to be able to keep their jobs, as Southwest Airlines continues to grapple with hundreds of canceled flights initially blamed on weather and other issues.

Joshua Yoder , co-founder of U.S. Freedom Flyers, told Fox News on Monday that pilots and other staff should not be forced to submit to an injection of unwanted pharmaceuticals at the order of their government.

"My motive for resisting it is primarily religious for myself. Among my friends I saw a need. Many of us don’t want to take this. People were being coerced, I believe in freedom and I’m here to support the freedom of my fellow employees and all people across this country. I’m not going to take a mandate, I’m not going to be forced to do something I don’t believe in," he said on "Tucker Carlson Tonight."

Yoder warned that if the warning from the past weekend isn't heeded, the effect of thousands of American workers being fired en masse will have devastating and lasting effects on the U.S. economy as well as everyday life for all Americans:

"If you have flights reduced by 30% because 30% of pilots are fired because they won’t take the vaccine, this is going to affect how your goods get here from overseas, how they are distributed to the store," he said.

"The same thing is happening with the truckers, it’s happening in the shipping industry. Those Amazon boxes that typically show up in two days, you might be looking at three weeks."

In that regard, host Tucker Carlson said this entire situation would've been avoidable had it not been for a "purge overseen by Susan Rice" of unvaccinated Americans: "[It] ha[s] nothing whatsoever to do with public health and everything to do with the accumulation of political power."

While Biden continues to act as if he has all of the power in this equation, Yoder said the opposite is true, as evidenced by the alleged mass sick-outs or walkouts.

"First of all, we have all the control, and the control comes from a simple word, and that is ‘no’," he said. "We just don’t need to comply."

"As far as I’m concerned I will never promote a sick-out or a work action that is illegal. With U.S. Freedom Flyers, the organization I'm with, we will never promote such a thing. With that being said, we also cannot control the actions of individuals. And I think that you will see massive disruptions in supply chain and in your travel if we just stand up and say no.

"If these companies fire us and they fire 30% of the workforce, aircraft are going to stop moving and it’s going to affect you. It’s going to affect your air travel and it’s going to affect the economy."

Carlson noted Biden's habit to date is to criticize and target Americans who do not comply with his personal wishes – pointing to a recent speech alongside Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker in which Biden attacked "the unvaccinated" as risking economic and medical turmoil.

"The unvaccinated patients are leaving no room for someone with a heart attack or in need of a cancer operation and so much more because they can’t into the ICU.  They can’t get into the operating rooms," Biden claimed. 

"The unvaccinated also put our economy at risk because people are reluctant to go out," Biden added, with Carlson commenting that no American president has ever spoken like this about his own people.

Carlson went on to ask Yoder what he will think when Biden potentially blames him or others like him for the multifaceted repercussions of the walkouts if they were multiplied.

"It's his fault," replied Yoder. "It is squarely his fault."

"I think anyone with a critical mind can point towards the federal government of the companies that are enforcing these illegal mandates from the federal government and see that it’s the federal government’s fault."

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Joe Biden showed up at a construction site in  Illinois  last Thursday to explain what a terrific job he's been doing

If you have to explain to people that you are doing a " terrific job", guess what asshat, YOU AREN'T DOING A TERRIFIC JOB.

As you watch it, ask yourself, has any president in our history ever talked about millions of American citizens like this? The unvaccinated are dangerous, he announced. They are diseased. They're dirty. They are unpatriotic. They are selfish. They are pathogens in human form. They have caused this deadly virus to "spread to our children, to spread throughout society." 

I've never seen any President talk about their people like this.  Dictators, yes.  Not Presidents.

 
 
 
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3.1  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    6 days ago

That's special. What times we live in, eh Jeremy?

 
 
 
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3.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.1    6 days ago

Yes.  Let’s go Brandon-don.  

 
 
 
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3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    6 days ago
I've never seen any President talk about their people like this.  Dictators, yes.  Not Presidents.

Biden knows he’s a one term President due to age and cognitive issues.  He’s always been way to the left and not a moderate by the various rating/ grading given out by various groups.  It’s no surprise based on the rankings that he’s hard left in office despite the moderate veneer his msm allies gave him. So, going dictator mode rather than President knowing he will never again face the voters is a natural for him as a person to do.  

 
 
 
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3.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    6 days ago
So, going dictator mode rather than President knowing he will never again face the voters is a natural for him as a person to do.  

On the positive side of all this, it doesn't set up any left leaning successor in the least.  Voters aren't as quick to forget what has already happened in this very short time.  

 
 
 
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3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.1    6 days ago

There are no non leftist democrats who could win their nomination which virtually assures a GOP win in 2024 unless they cheat a lot more than they did last year.  

 
 
 
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3.2.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.2    6 days ago

Aren't "non-lefist" democrat" like unicorns.  After seeing what the Democrats are trying to push for voting laws, they've already started to attempt to set things up (their cheat) for 2022 and 2024.

 
 
 
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3.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.3    5 days ago

Non leftist democrats are a disappearing group on the edge of extinction.  Almost all have sold their souls to the bi coastal progressive elites.  

 
 
 
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3.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.4    5 days ago

Those that have a differing opinion are bullied into submission or are completely ostracized.  At least those ostracized are open to other ideas and processes of how to move forward.

 
 
 
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3.2.6  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.5    5 days ago

Do I sound "humbled"? Do I look ostracized? Some conservatives on the other-hand are stuck in a republican conscience-less stream where they rule the U.S.A.

 
 
 
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3.2.7  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.4    5 days ago

If only we could send some conservatives up in to space (like William Shatner today); would it teach some conservatives something positive about humanity or would the group fall back to earth in negativism stating now we know where the earth's exploitable 'fault lines' are?

 
 
 
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3.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @3.2.6    5 days ago
Do I sound "humbled"?

Suggest you re-check what I said.  Hint - I never said "humbled".

And nice example of the bullying pushed by the left.  Thanks for helping prove the point.

 
 
 
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3.2.9  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.8    5 days ago

Speaking with you is not bullying you.

 
 
 
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3.2.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.8    4 days ago

Well said.  The bitterness of the left toward states and counties with Conservative Republican elected leaders knows no bounds and knows lots of name calling and vitriol directed our way.   

 
 
 
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3.2.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.2.9    4 days ago

The tone you use in talking to us does seem based on post content to be heavy in condescension toward us and our beliefs and ideas. 

 
 
 
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3.2.12  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.11    4 days ago

I do not apologize for how I respond to people who consider it high 'sporting' to suppress and abuse the civil and voting rights of liberals. Dig?

And it gets worse: Our national air is thick around with rumors of political and actual civil war in our country. Persons who are disposed to injuring, murdering, and/or waging war on their 'internal' neighbors deserve straight talk—not chit-chat.

We are not chit-chatting, Jefferson. What you put forward here is not nice and its social media being used to foster ill-harm for liberals in the real world!

 
 
 
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3.2.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.2.12    4 days ago
I do not apologize for how I respond to people who consider it high 'sporting' to suppress and abuse the civil and voting rights of liberals. Dig?

Neither I nor anyone else I know personally or here support suppressing or abusing civil rights or voting rights.  Let’s not make excuses for lack of civility.  

And it gets worse: Our national air is thick around with rumors of political and actual civil war in our country. Persons who are disposed to injuring, murdering, and/or waging war on their 'internal' neighbors deserve straight talk—not chit-chat.  

There is no real talk of a literal actual civil war.  There will be a political divide over real issues.  It is the left that talks of and actually resorts to coercion and force to impose its will upon those of us who disagree.  

We are not chit-chatting, Jefferson. What you put forward here is not nice and its social media being used to foster ill-harm for liberals in the real world!

What I put forward is mainstream Christian  conservative policy positions on the issues from taxes to economics, to national defense to social issues. There is nothing about ill harm for anyone.  And yes this is a place to bring up issues and chit chat about them.  

 
 
 
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3.2.14  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.13    4 days ago

We will not chit-chat over not nice propaganda. Straight talk is more appropriate and it is what I can bring!

 
 
 
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3.2.15  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.13    4 days ago
What I put forward is mainstream Christian  conservative policy positions

Mainstream Christian conservatives believe that Trump won the election;  believe whatever he says; "love" him??

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Not the Christians in my life (9x% of friends and family).

 
 
 
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3.2.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.10    4 days ago
The bitterness of the left toward states and counties with Conservative Republican elected leaders knows no bounds and knows lots of name calling and vitriol directed our way.   

Truly hilarious considering your daily posts of bitter hate and constant name calling towards States and counties with progressive Democratic elected leaders. Your tired complaints about the "bi-coastal elites" about which you apparently know nothing but what some right wing bigoted propagandist has told you exposes the blatant hypocrisy of many right wing religious conservatives.

This seed shows that conservatives don't see liberals, progressives, centrists and any other rational American citizen as "American" considering they are claiming that there is only so far "you can push Americans". The self-centered some right wing conservatives have to consider themselves as the only Americans that exist or matter shows how rotted their bitter little egos have become.

 
 
 
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3.2.17  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.13    4 days ago
Neither I nor anyone else I know personally or here support suppressing or abusing civil rights or voting rights.

You seem to support the slew of recent voting laws that were crafted by Republicans with data on voting patterns by race in hand that "target African-Americans with almost surgical precision," according to the courts.

There is no real talk of a literal actual civil war.

" In northwestern Wisconsin, the chairman of the St. Croix County Republican Party was forced to resign Friday after refusing for a week after the siege to remove an online post urging followers to “prepare for war.”

" Phil Reynolds, a member of the GOP central committee in California’s Santa Clara County, appeared to urge on insurrectionists on social media during the Jan. 6 attack, declaring on Facebook: “The war has begun. Citizens take arms!"

Perhaps you should spend your time on conservative sites letting your people know that they don't need to stockpile their weapons and ammo because no one actually wants another civil war.

What I put forward is mainstream Christian conservative policy positions

I would not characterize any of your seeds or posts as being anything close to "mainstream". Toxic creek perhaps, but certainly not mainstream.

 
 
 
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3.2.18  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @3.2.14    4 days ago

And when will that ever begin?  Labeling what Christian conservatives believe as propaganda is not straight talk.  

 
 
 
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3.2.19  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.15    4 days ago
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is what Joe Biden and the secular progressive democrat party are dealing to the American people.  

 
 
 
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3.2.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2.16    4 days ago

Centrists and independents are all polling closer to conservatives than to the left on most all of the issues.  

 
 
 
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3.2.21  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.18    4 days ago

Adorable—not!

 
 
 
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3.2.22  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.19    4 days ago

Says one who believes whatever Trump claims; who "loves" Trump; who believes Trump won the election in 2020.     Negative credibility.

 
 
 
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3.2.23  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.22    4 days ago

Having negative credibility with you is a net plus for me here.  If you ever sided with me on a given issue, I’d wonder what I did wrong and reevaluate my position.  

 
 
 
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3.2.24  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.23    4 days ago

Believing whatever Trump claims (especially his Big Lie) is an excellent way to be wrong about most everything.

 
 
 
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3.2.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.24    4 days ago

Whether Trump is correct regarding the extend of the rigging of the last election has nothing to do with anything else.  Trump was most certainly right about the economic and budget effects of his tax cuts.  

 
 
 
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3.2.26  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.25    3 days ago
Whether Trump is correct regarding the extend of the rigging of the last election has nothing to do with anything else.  

People who believe Trump's Big Lie are beyond gullible and are unknowingly serving as his pawns.

 
 
 
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3.2.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.26    3 days ago
People who believe Trump's Big Lie are beyond gullible and are unknowingly serving as his pawns.

Yeah, we're still waiting on the actual proof of a lie.  And why are are you avoiding the second part of 3.2.25?  Or is that the "lie" you are referring to?

 
 
 
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3.2.28  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.27    3 days ago
Yeah, we're still waiting on the actual proof of a lie.

Do you actually believe Trump's bullshit that he won the 2020 election?

 
 
 
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3.2.29  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.28    3 days ago

Never said I did.  But I'm not the one calling it a lie with nothing to show otherwise.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.30  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.29    3 days ago
Never said I did. 

Look Jeremy, you are trying to defend Trump's lie.   That is equivalent to you not dismissing it as ridiculous.   How the fuck can any rational mind take the facts of the election and give credence to Trump's bullshit?

But I'm not the one calling it a lie with nothing to show otherwise.

Nothing to show for it?

Open your eyes man.   The US electoral process executed and determined the winner.   Allegations of fraud were adjudicated and dismissed as groundless.   Countless recounts produced nothing of significance.   Bullshit after bullshit after bullshit has been exposed and you are still here asking for proof that this is a lie.  

When someone claims a rigged election they are the ones with the burden of proof.   The evidence screams that Trump's claim of 'rigged election' is complete bullshit and Trump has nothing of value to support his bullshit.

Yet, here you are, trying to defend Trump's lie by asking for more proof.   A rational position would be to ask for Trump to provide persuasive evidence of this claim, not to ignore all evidence that shows Trump is lying.

Absolutely amazing.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.31  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.29    3 days ago

Wow. That just happened. Jeremy, you never said you trust in Trump's bullshit about the 2020 election, but you are not willing to stake a position some many months later? And yet here you are damning and nailing Joe Biden will all the tacks you can get!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.2.32  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.30    3 days ago
Nothing to show for it? Open your eyes man.

Nothing provided to disprove anything said.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.33  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.2.32    3 days ago

Our entire electoral process, the adjudication of 61 lawsuits and countless recounts is not sufficient for you to comprehend that Trump was and is lying about a rigged election.    And on top of that, Trump has no evidence to support his ridiculously obvious lie.

But no matter how much evidence to the contrary, you return with nuh'uh and nothing to support Trump's claim.

Very well.   This forum should then rightly consider you to be one of those who defends Trump's Big Lie.  

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.34  CB   replied to  TᵢG @3.2.33    3 days ago

An enabler! Truth or explanation is a cast-off and all that matters is the 'voice' of Artful Liar!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.2.35  TᵢG  replied to  CB @3.2.34    3 days ago

Just inexplicable CB.    Why would anyone destroy their credibility by defending Trump's con-job?   Seems to me that anyone with an ounce of integrity would condemn the actions of a sitting PotUS who abused the influence of his office by making outrageous lies (without supporting evidence) about a lost election and our electoral system (and officials of same) in a pathetic attempt to avoid being recognized as the loser.

 
 
 
CB
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3.2.36  CB   replied to  TᵢG @3.2.35    3 days ago

Because they have "skin" in it. I will liken it to a full capacity stadium:

MichiganStadium.jpg

It is safe to assume that 99.99% of the participants and spectators who engage and bother to appear in this setting have chosen a side to cheer to victory. Their side they will use their voice (commentary) to 'root' for in support of a cause.

Moreover, in your mind's eye, see these people watching 30,000 half-truths, misleading statements, and outright lies coming from center-arena. Now throw in one whole "Big Lie" coming up from the middle. . . it is impossible that 99.99% of those in the stands would miss the 'making' of this one all-consuming LIE.

It was/has not/can not missed. It is being cheered on.The main floor is built to be in sight of all attendees!

The moral of this: In our roles as liberals, secularists, and others - some conservatives want us to accept and agree that we have no rights and privileges that a (Trump) conservative ought to acknowledge.

To complete the effect, unfortunately, they have to follow the delusions of Donald Trump in his role as leader no matter where these lead them.  And, it is shameful. Thus, they put forward that they are conscienceless when it comes to liberals, secularists, and others.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3    3 days ago
If you have to explain to people that you are doing a " terrific job", guess what asshat, YOU AREN'T DOING A TERRIFIC JOB.

Actually hilarious. Can I please have a dollar for every time Trump said he was doing a "great" "fantastic" or "excellent" job ?  I would like a Hawaiian vacation. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3    54 minutes ago

Watch: Jan. 6 Video That Was Suppressed Shows Capitol Police Officer Waving Protesters Into Building

by Kyle Becker about 2 hours agoupdated about 2 hours ago

An unedited surveillance video from January 6 shows Capitol Police officers not only letting protesters walk unimpeded into the Capitol building, but one officer actually invites them in by waving them along. The previously suppressed and newly released video can be watched below:

The footage was reported by Buzzfeed’s Zoe Tillman, but does not note that the Capitol Police officers appear entirely complicit in allowing the protesters unfettered access into the Capitol building.

“A pair of US Capitol surveillance videos disclosed last week by prosecutors offer a new perspective into how a mob overwhelmed police officers and repeatedly breached a main access point to the building during the Jan. 6 riots,” Buzzfeed reports .

“The footage shows a small team of US Capitol Police officers vastly outnumbered by the crush of people trying to get in,” Tillman says, although the footage does not comport with this claim. “There are at most five officers in the frame at any given moment; hundreds of people flow through that entry point on the Upper West Terrace of the Capitol over the span of roughly 13 minutes. The rioters in large part do not turn around when police try to block their path but appear to argue and negotiate before they push past officers or until the officers retreat.”

“The videos don’t have sound, but they show tense verbal exchanges as the officers make several attempts to stop the mob from getting inside,” the reporter claims.

However, police officers did not try to significantly block or obstruct the protesters’ path. In fact, you can see an officer waving the protesters along at about the 1:00 mark in the video. The surveillance videos show an orderly procession into the Capitol building, no violence to speak of, and people strolling around calmly within the building.

More footage from the Capitol riots throws further doubt on the mainstream media’s narrative that the unarmed protesters entering the Capitol building on January 6th constituted a violent “insurrection.”

“A newly-obtained video shows United States Capitol Police officers speaking with several January 6 protestors—including Jacob Chansley, the so-called ‘Q shaman’—inside the Capitol that afternoon,” American Greatness earlier reported .

“One officer, identified in the video and confirmed by charging documents as Officer Keith Robishaw, appears to tell Chansely’s group they won’t stop them from entering the building,” the report noted.

“We’re not against . . . you need to show us . . . no attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw says.

“This has to be peaceful,” Chansley yelled at the crowd. “We have the right to peacefully assemble.”

“The video directly contradicts what government prosecutors allege in a complaint filed January 8 against Chansley,” American Greatness notes.

“Robishaw and other officers calmed the protestors somewhat and directed them to leave the area from the same way they had entered. Chansley approached Officer Robishaw and screamed, among other things, that this was their house, and that they were there to take the Capitol, and to get Congressional leaders.”

“Chansley later is seen entering the Senate chambers with a police officer behind him; he led several protesters in prayer and sat in Vice President Mike Pence’s chair,” the report continued.

The optics are striking: Capitol police stood around as protesters entered the Senate chambers and made speeches. Dozens entered the Capitol building after literally having the door held open for them, and then merely walked in a single file line and took pictures.

In fact, the FBI has not charged any of the protesters with “insurrection” or “treason”; the most widespread investigation in U.S. history, according to the bureau, has been unable to turn up any evidence of a centralized plot to install Donald Trump.

“The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials,” Reuters reported ….

read more:

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3    50 minutes ago
Can I please have a dollar for every time Trump said he was doing a "great" "fantastic" or "excellent" job ?

You got them in the form of Tax Breaks.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.1    35 minutes ago

This is actually funny.  They won't acknowledge that just like they won't acknowledge some other things that happened under the previous administration actually worked (i.e. tax breaks, immigration, etc.)

But if you ask them we're gaslighting and lying.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.3    30 minutes ago

He didn't do anything except give tax breaks to the already wealthy.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.4    29 minutes ago

Lets see it.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.6  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.1    26 minutes ago

White privilege commentary at work ⇡.

 
 
 
CB
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3.3.7  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @3.3.3    24 minutes ago

Some conservatives are gaslighting and lying.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @3.3.6    6 minutes ago
White privilege commentary at work ⇡.

When all else fails make it about race.  How pathetic.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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3.3.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @3.3.7    4 minutes ago

Just as MOST progressives.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4  Hallux    6 days ago

I suppose Joe could take a page out of Ronald's playbook:

On August 5, following the PATCO workers' refusal to return to work, the Reagan administration fired the 11,345 striking air traffic controllers who had ignored the order, and banned them from federal service for life. ... PATCO was decertified by the Federal Labor Relations Authority on October 22, 1981.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Hallux @4    6 days ago

He can regarding federal employees but not anyone else.  Beyond that he’ll be in the Supreme Court arguing how he has such authority.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    6 days ago

I was a little boy when the polio vaccine became available for every child. I can still remember my mother putting me and my brothers and sisters in line to get the shot. Us kids didnt even really know what polio was. But , even though there were some side effects to the vaccine for a small number of kids, parents all over the country were overjoyed that the government was offering this shot which would most likely remove the fear parents had of their children being crippled forever by polio. The vaccine was overwhelmingly accepted by the nations parents, and others. 

That was in the 1950's, before internet, cellphones, facebook, parler, and all the other social media that has led our population astray today. It was before conspiracy theories too. 

Now we have Q Anon, pizzagate, and insurrections at the nations capital. The ex president spread misinformation and fear about believing in medical authority, and since he has a cult following many fell in line. The mistrust and misinformation spilled over even into those who are not Trump cultists. 

Too many people today just want to go on their merry way and not accept that America is in real trouble. 

 
 
 
CB
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5.1  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @5    6 days ago

I grew up with a neighborhood kid suffering with polio. All his young life (eventually I moved away as a young adult), he was left crippled in his limbs. Vunerable in every way (I can't remember if he could speak properly or not). It is something I would not wish on my worst enemy to be trapped in a contorted, 'wasted' body. Yes, we took the polio shot and are alive today to talk about it working.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  JohnRussell @5    5 days ago

It seems like we are living through a ‘life imitates art’ moment, where the ‘art’ is an Adam Sandler movie.

 
 
 
CB
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6  CB     6 days ago

There is a limit to how far you can push Americans. The actions of Southwest Airlines' pilots show there will be backlash to Biden's vaccine mandates

The "lubbers" of freedom are at it again:

A journalist has revealed the bizarre response he received from known vaccine skeptic Tucker Carlson after he asked the Fox News host whether he had received the Covid vaccine.  Ben Smith from The New York Times revealed in his column that he texted Carlson: “Did you get vaccinated?”

And Carlson’s response is odd to say the least.

“When was the last time you had sex with your wife and in what position?” he replied. “We can trade intimate details.”

Well, what we do know is Fox News requires vaccinations for its employees or "regular" testings. I will assume an 'airhead' like Carlson won't like to have his "freedom" assaulted on a daily basis, so yes! Airhead Carlson is vaccinated twice and done!

So there you have it. It's all a big lie and 'Airhead' is helping to obstruct hearts and minds for his and "the Cause."

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6    6 days ago

In other words Carlson told him to mind his own business.  No one should be questioned as to their status one way or another.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.1  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1    6 days ago

And yet Carlson wants to nuance and outright influence others to not get vaccinated as some value statement of freedom, over and over and over and over again. All while, he as a FOX News anchor highly probably vaccinated won't play it straight with his and any one's audience!

You should be asking, Why! But you won't because you trust Carlson's agenda.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.1.1    6 days ago

I openly support the pro individual freedom of choice in this matter.  I support his refusal to openly state whether or not he got one.  That it annoys the deep state mandatory involuntary coerced jab supporters is pure gravy.  The more they press for and agitate for coercion the more I think it is fun to deliberately tick them off and feed their anger and maneuver them into an overreach rage reaction the general public is repulsed by and turns against the dystopians. 

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.3  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    6 days ago

That's remarkably dense. Liberals are vaccinated. We just hate to see anybody get this unfortunate disease and its full bodied 'takeover' of symptoms partially or completely. You're without doubt losing 'market share' and lives on the Right.

Hurt me? You're not doing anything to me, Jefferson, including up to an touching, not even a favor! I've got my two shots and a third in the 'works.' Also, I have my flu shot for the coming season. I'm stellar, as far as it goes.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.1.3    5 days ago

I’ve had all that too.  The difference is that I’m not willing to polarize our society by trying to coerce anyone else to act upon my belief or choice.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.1.5  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.4    5 days ago

No further comment needed. This is disturbing. But you do you and I will just stand afar off.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.1.5    4 days ago

We are having success in getting states and courts to limit the impact of coercive mandates.  New York is going to have to rehire numerous hospital personnel, first responders, police, and teachers. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.1.5    3 days ago

Personal freedom and individual liberty are disturbing things to the progressive left.  They are all about power and control.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6    6 days ago

Tucker Gives Monologue for the Ages on Biden’s Divisive ‘Purge’ of Unvaccinated Americans from Society

Tucker Carlson on Monday night unleashed a monologue for the ages. The Fox News primetime host’s timely message is a political touchstone for much of what is wrong with Biden’s America.

The host broke down the Biden White House’s “purge” of the unvaccinated from society as an unprecedented vendetta in American history. It is not a noble agenda driven by a concern over public health, but rather an illogical and reckless drive for political power, he argued.

Tucker opened by referencing a speech Joe Biden gave outside of Chicago, Illinois that was attended by billionaire Governor J.B. Pritzker. In the speech, Biden made a number of unscientific claims in the course of demonizing millions of Americans that do not intend to get the Covid-19 shots.

“Joe Biden showed up at a construction site in Illinois last Thursday to explain what a terrific job he’s been doing,” he began. “Biden’s poll numbers, you may have noticed, have declined recently, not just by a little bit, but by such a dramatic margin that some prominent Democrats are openly worried about it. The midterms are in a year.”

“So the point of last week’s appearance outside Chicago was to remind all of us in the country that our perceptions of Biden’s performance are silly and baseless,” he said. “Actually, Joe Biden is a great president. He’s totally aware of what’s happening. He’s completely on top of things. He knows exactly what he’s doing and he’s got your well-being at heart. Not the narrow economic interests of some soulless multinational corporation that hates America and your family. No, you! Because Joe Biden is awesome.”

“And to prove it. Biden talked at length about the COVID vaccine,” Tucker said. “His greatest achievement, he said. Now, strangely, Biden didn’t say a lot about the vaccine itself. He did note that if you get the shot, you could not spread COVID to other people. And if there were doctors in the audience, they might have been confused because that is ridiculously and provably untrue. Of course, the vaccinated can spread COVID, and they do.”

“But Biden didn’t pause and dwell on the science such as it is,” he continued. “Instead, Biden spent virtually his entire speech attacking any American who hasn’t yet gotten the shot. Now you’ve heard him say that a lot, but it’s worth taking a closer look at what Joe Biden said last week outside Chicago. Go, look it up for yourself. It’s on the C-SPAN website.”

“As you watch it, ask yourself, ‘Has any president in our history ever talked about millions of American citizens like this?'” he asked rhetorically. “This is the way presidents talk about foreign enemies or dictators talk about enemies in their midst. It’s not the way American presidents talk or ever have ever, for any reason, under any circumstance. We can’t think of a single example, even during the Civil War.”…

read more:
 
 
 
CB
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6.2.1  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2    6 days ago
The host broke down the Biden White House’s “purge” of the unvaccinated from society as an unprecedented vendetta in American history. It is not a noble agenda driven by a concern over public health, but rather an illogical and reckless drive for political power, he argued.

And so FOX News directs its franchise players and "heavy hitters" who appear on stages and sets maskless to conform - and thus, Tucker (I won't say if I did or didn't get jabs) Carlson is highly likely VACCINATED because FOX NEWS insurance will be sued any guests who gets sick from being in this kind of scenario where 'it' can contaminate Tucker:

Monday, October 11, 2021. original

These are unvaccinated people? Inquiring minds don't think so!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.1    6 days ago

I like that his libertarian side says to keep his vax status to himself.  It’s a personal choice.  He’s doing the right thing.  Hannity and Ingram openly say they are vaccinated but refuse to back mandates saying it’s an individual choice for each citizen to make.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.3  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.2    6 days ago

You would like that. Tucker Carlson is a wretched capitalist pig and he has blood on his hands from people who remain 'conflicted' during his rants of vaccination skepticism. (Probably both of the "freedom-lovers" there are signed off and hiding from the exposure.)

You can move on to Sean and Laurel who are the 'other half' of right-wing poor messaging influencers to those who trust them.

There is no defend for this Jefferson, though you try and fail again and again to gaslight 'America' and NT.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.1    5 days ago

They appear to be socially distanced there.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.3    5 days ago

No need for me to defend anything or anyone here.  I’m going to believe what I believe and read the sources I read and listen to whom I like regardless what MBFC clones and members here on the other side think about it.  I support truth, justice, and the American way.  

 
 
 
CB
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6.2.6  CB   replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.5    5 days ago

Disturbed.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @6.2.6    3 days ago

Truth, justice, and the American Way do cause progressives to be disturbed.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7  Tessylo    5 days ago

"Consider the argument they're hearing from Joe Biden: You must get the shot for the sake of people who've already gotten the shot because the shots don't work well enough to protect the people who've already gotten them."

The President never said such nonsense.  

Whoever got fired because of refusing vaccines don't have a leg to stand on.  You could have kept your job if you had just followed the rules.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @7    4 days ago

States and courts are stepping in to prevent firings in a variety of cases and places especially protecting religious objections.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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8  Buzz of the Orient    5 days ago

What I can't understand is that it is the Republicans/conservatives/rightwingers who are opposing vaccination and mask-wearing and other recommended methods to contain the virus when that attitude is leading to a high rate of deaths among themselves and their supporters - reducing their voting numbers.  It's sort of like shooting oneself in the foot. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    3 days ago
What I can't understand is that it is the Republicans/conservatives/rightwingers who are opposing vaccination and mask-wearing and other recommended methods to contain the virus

Up until Trump left office, democrats did the same thing.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1    3 days ago
Up until Trump left office, democrats did the same thing.

Harris stated that she would not take the vaccine based on Trump telling her to do so but would take it if advised by medical professionals.    So, no, Harris was never opposed to the vaccine — she was opposed to Trump as the authority.

You are spinning reality.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  TᵢG @8.1.1    3 days ago
You are spinning reality.

Fuck!!!  I'm becoming one of YOU!?!?!?!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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8.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.2    3 days ago

hey, you know that there could absolutely be no correlation between what Harris said and people reluctant to get vaccinated!

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.2    3 days ago

Fact:  Harris objected to following the medical advice of Trump while stating she would take the vaccine on the advice of medical professionals.

You spin that fact and the best you have when caught is to utter a Pee Wee Herman:  'I know you are but what am I'.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.5  TᵢG  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.1.2    3 days ago
I'm becoming one of YOU!?!?!?!

Your comments, recently, do not correlate with objective, critical analysis.   They read as those of a partisan.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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8.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.3    3 days ago
hey, you know that there could absolutely be no correlation between what Harris said and people reluctant to get vaccinated!

Think, Texan.   Who would Harris influence if the allegation that she refused to take the vaccine were true?   She would influence Democrats.   The super-majority of Ds are vaccinated :

A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans.

Who, then, do you think would influence Rs to not take the vaccine?

You support the spinning of Harris' words into something she never stated while ignoring the repeated downplaying of the virus by Trump.   Certainly you have observed Trump both encourage the taking of the vaccine and give people excuses to not take the vaccine.   Clearly you can see that it is Rs who are predominantly not taking the vaccine.

When it comes to consistent messages on taking the vaccine, the Biden administration has consistently stated to take it.   That cannot be said of the Trump administration.

 
 
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