REVEALED: Ruth Bader Ginsburg slammed athletes for kneeling during the national anthem — Katie Couric censored her

  
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REVEALED: Ruth Bader Ginsburg slammed athletes for kneeling during the national anthem — Katie Couric censored her
Ginsburg supposedly said those who kneel show 'contempt for a government that has made it possible for their parents and grandparents to live a decent life.'

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Former Today show host Katie Couric admitted to editing out negative comments made by Ruth Bader Ginsburg about people who kneel during the national anthem. In her new memoir, Going There, Couric writes that her political views influenced the edits made to her interview with the late Supreme Court justice in 2016.

Ginsburg supposedly said those who kneel show 'contempt for a government that has made it possible for their parents and grandparents to live a decent life.' The story in question, published by Yahoo! News in 2016, saw Couric quote, Ginsburg, stating that refusing to stand for the anthem was 'dumb and disrespectful' but omitted more problematic remarks. The former host writes she thought the justice, who was 83 at the time, was 'elderly and probably didn't fully understand the question.'

Couric, 64, contends she always tried to remove her 'personal politics' from her reporting throughout her career,  reported  the  Daily Mail . But she faced a 'conundrum' when Ginsburg commented about Colin Kaepernick, the former NFL player who kneeled during the national anthem to protest against racial injustice.

Ginsburg said that people like Kaepernick were 'dumb and disrespectful.' Couric said the comments were 'unworthy of a crusader for equality' as a liberal Supreme Court justice. The day after the interview, the head of public affairs for the Supreme Court emailed Couric to say the late justice had 'misspoken' and asked her to remove it from the story.

Couric writes she was 'conflicted' because she was a 'big RBG fan,' but David Westin, the former head of  ABC News , advised Couric to keep it in. 'She's on the Supreme Court. People should hear what she thinks,' he said, according to Couric.

The final version of the story, which meant to promote a compilation of Ginsburg's writings called, My Own Words, included her criticism of 'stupid' and 'arrogant' protesters. But what was left out was arguably more inflammatory.

Ginsburg went on to say that such protests show a 'contempt for a government that has made it possible for their parents and grandparents to live a decent life.' She said: 'Which they probably could not have lived in the places they came from ... as they became older they realize that this was youthful folly. And that's why education is important.'

Couric claims that she 'lost a lot of sleep over this one' and still wrestles with the decision she made. She 'wanted to protect' Ginsburg and felt that the issue of racial justice was a 'blind spot' for her.

Ginsburg, who died last September at age 87, was asked for her thoughts after former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick came under fire in 2016 for taking a knee at the start of NFL games in protest against racial injustice.

'Would I arrest them for doing it? No,' she told Couric. 'I think it's dumb and disrespectful. I would have the same answer if you asked me about flag burning.' She added: 'I think it's a terrible thing to do, but I wouldn't lock a person up for doing it. I would point out how ridiculous it seems to me to do such an act.'

When Couric pushed further, asking if she believes athletes are 'within their rights to exercise those actions,' Ginsburg replied: 'Yes. If they want to be stupid, there's no law that should be preventive.'

'If they want to be arrogant, there's no law that prevents them from that. What I would do is strongly take issue with the point of view that they are expressing when they do that,' she added.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    one month ago

Again, honors go to The Daily Mail.  This one I can't recommend.

The book is:

Going There

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JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
1.1  JaneDoe  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

Didn’t she catch some heat for another selective editing stunt back in 2016?

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
1.2  squiggy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

That’s why there is a FOX.

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
1.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago
Again, honors go to The Daily Mail.

Which explains why you seeded the article from The Post Millennial?

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2  Gordy327    one month ago

I never understood why kneeling was such an issue. If anything, kneeling is probably the greatest sign of respect. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

It seems that RBG disagreed.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one month ago

Yes, and?

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.1    one month ago

Old people get cranky pretty easy, lol

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.2    one month ago

Ive Noticed. I'm getting that way myself from time to time. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.3    one month ago

I heard she could curse like a sailor and scream too, not that it was reported, lol.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Split Personality @2.1.4    one month ago

I do not think I've heard that. But I can see it happening. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
PhD Principal
2.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.5    one month ago

I know for a fact that Mother Theresa lost her temper a few times too,

meh.

humans...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
PhD Expert
2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

No....it was disrespectful to all those who fell defending the flag

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.2.1  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    one month ago

How is kneeling disrespectful?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.1    one month ago

It's not.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.1    one month ago

How is kneeling disrespectful?

Was I being disrespectful when I proposed to my wife????????  Is that what Vic is saying???

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.3    one month ago
Was I being disrespectful when I proposed to my wife????????  Is that what Vic is saying???

Oh, yeah, I am positive that is exactly what he meant.

SMMFH

Has anyone ever heard of context???????????????

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.2.6  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.2    one month ago

Thank you.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Gordy327 @2.2.1    one month ago

Not as long as it is done at the right time, the right place, and for the right reasons.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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2.3  Ronin2  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

Which is the reason everyone is asked to stand and place their hands over their hearts. That is the proper decorum.

Never seen anything about take a knee, and bowing their heads, during the National Anthem. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.3.1  Gordy327  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3    one month ago

Standing might be norm, but that doesn't automatically make the act of kneeling disrespectful. 

 
 
 
Veronica
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2.3.2  Veronica  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.1    one month ago
act of kneeling disrespectful.

Huh - better tell the Catholics that.

 
 
 
Ronin2
PhD Quiet
2.3.3  Ronin2  replied to  Veronica @2.3.2    one month ago

Wow, equating praying which kneeling for Catholics is required due to their religious beliefs- to kneeling during the National Anthem which is by no means the proper decorum.

That is not only a stretch it is a complete disconnect. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.3    one month ago

You equate alleged conservatives and today's republicans/gqp with decorum????

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.3    one month ago
That is not only a stretch it is a complete disconnect. 

Amen to that!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3    one month ago
Which is the reason everyone is asked to stand and place their hands over their hearts.

Or is it because you don't have enough room to kneel in the bleacher seats?  There's barely room to stand.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.6    one month ago

Now you're just being obtuse

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.3.8  Gordy327  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.3    one month ago

People knee when they pray, right? So are they being disrespectful to god?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.7    one month ago
Now you're just being obtuse

You have never been to an American football game have you?  When sitting, you have to be careful not to hit the guy in front of you with your knees.  The stands make aircraft seating luxurious in comparison.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.9    one month ago

Why yes I have. PSL holder at B of A stadium and the Panthers. Every home game. All I was saying was your reasoning was full of shit and not the reason we stand and not kneel.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.10    one month ago

All I was saying was your reasoning was full of shit and not the reason we stand and not kneel.

Then you provide the reason that kneeling is not acceptable.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.12  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.11    one month ago
That is the proper decorum.

It is now and always has been the decorum when the National Anthem is played to stand, take off your hat if you have one on,  and put your right hand over your heart. You can kneel if you want but it looks stupid when everyone else isn't.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.12    one month ago
It is now and always has been the decorum when the National Anthem is played to stand, take off your hat if you have one on,  and put your right hand over your heart.

Why.  You were going to explain why standing is proper decorum and kneeling is disrespectful.  I'm waiting.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.13    one month ago

Because standing is proper decorum. Kneeling is disrespectful because standing is proper decorum. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
2.3.15  Kathleen  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3    one month ago

Same here, it’s always been that way. The kneeling started with that idiot. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Sophomore Principal
2.3.16  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.14    one month ago
proper decorum

Y'all need to find a different phrase or find a time machine.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.17  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.6    one month ago
Or is it because you don't have enough room to kneel in the bleacher seats?

yeah, people are asked to stand only because there is no room to kneel in the stands.

SMMFH

 
 
 
Ronin2
PhD Quiet
2.3.18  Ronin2  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.8    one month ago

You think these athletes were praying. Prove it!

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.3.19  Gordy327  replied to  Ronin2 @2.3.18    one month ago

A Strawman. I never claimed he was praying.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.20  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.3.14    one month ago
Kneeling is disrespectful because standing is proper decorum.

You seem unable to answer the question.  Why is kneeling disrespectful, when it is showing ultimate respect in other situations????

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.21  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.20    one month ago

BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT IS DONE TO SHOW RESPECT FOR THE FLAG AND NATIONAL ANTHEM. PERIOD. 

Now kindly go play your fucking semantics and word cherry pick with someone else. I'm tired of your swoop and poop and then leave, argue just to argue bullshit.

IMPASSE

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.3.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.20    one month ago
hy is kneeling disrespectful, when it is showing ultimate respect in other situations????

Putting aside your sad inability to understand the concept of context (how embarrassing for you!) , he literally said he refused to stand because he didn't want to show respect to the flag.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.23  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.22    one month ago

Thank you..............JFC

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.3.24  Jasper2529  replied to  Gordy327 @2.3.8    one month ago
People knee when they pray, right?

Not necessarily. Many orthodox Christian denominations stand when they pray.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.3.24    one month ago

I know for a fact we Methodists do.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.26  Ozzwald  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.22    one month ago
he literally said he refused to stand because he didn't want to show respect to the flag.  

Who said this, and link the quote.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.27  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.26    one month ago
Who said this, and link the quote.

Here’s one:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.28  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.27    one month ago
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

Can't blame him.  He kneeled to draw attention to black people getting murdered at the hands of racist police officer, and the government at that time had more issues with him kneeling, than with the thousands of murders.

Do you want to deny his right not to stand?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.3.29  Jasper2529  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.27    one month ago

Too bad he and others have never been forced to explain how the USA "oppresses black people and people of color" in the 21st century.

 
 
 
Sunshine
PhD Guide
2.3.30  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.28    one month ago
He kneeled to draw attention to black people getting murdered at the hands of racist police officer, and the government at that time had more issues with him kneeling, than with the thousands of murders.

thousand?  Let's see some stats for the "thousands" and which where murdered by racist cops?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
2.3.31  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.30    one month ago

Don't hold your breath

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.32  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.28    one month ago
Do you want to deny his right not to stand?

Another straw man argument? No one ever said he didn’t have the right not to stand.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.33  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.32    one month ago
Another straw man argument? No one ever said he didn’t have the right not to stand.

Then why are you giving him a hard time for not doing it?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.34  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.33    one month ago
Then why are you giving him a hard time for not doing it?

Am I though? The discussion turned on “was it disrespectful?” It clearly was. Even Kaepernick agrees. It shouldn’t even be a point of controversy. I never said he had no right to be disrespectful.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.3.35  Jasper2529  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.30    one month ago
Let's see some stats for the "thousands" and which where murdered by racist cops?

I see you're still waiting for those stats.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.36  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.34    one month ago
The discussion turned on “was it disrespectful?” It clearly was.

It clearly was not.

I never said he had no right to be disrespectful.

Since you have never shown that taking a knee is disrespectful, your statement is nonsensical.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.37  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.36    one month ago
It clearly was not.

You would have to ignore his own words on the matter to believe that. I guess that’s what you’re going to do.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.38  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.37    one month ago
You would have to ignore his own words on the matter to believe that.

No, I believe we are talking 2 separate things. 

His original reason for taking a knee was to call attention to all the black people slain by police officers, that is what I am talking about.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.39  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.38    one month ago

No, that’s not what he said, and I quoted him for you above. He didn’t say “I want to help honor America, and in addition, I want to bring attention to people slain by police officers.” He didn’t say it like that.

He said:

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,"

That’s an entirely different approach. At a moment when he is being asked to stand and honor America, he says he will not stand for America and he will not show pride in the country. That’s disrespect. You can argue about whether or not it’s justified, but it is how he represented it.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.40  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.39    one month ago
That’s disrespect.

Lack of respect is not disrespect.  It is not a black and white thing. (pun not intended)

Would YOU respect ANY COUNTRY that "oppresses black people and people of color"?

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.41  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.40    one month ago
Lack of respect is not disrespect.

It literally is.

dis·re·spect
/ˌdisrəˈspekt/
noun
1. lack of respect or courtesy.
verb
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
    1. show a lack of respect for; insult.
 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.42  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.41    one month ago
It literally is.

Nice cherry picking of definitions....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.3.43  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.27    one month ago
I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country

There's not one indication that he means to show disrespect...he said he didn't want to show pride in a flag....

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.3.44  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.42    one month ago
Nice cherry picking of definitions....

Lol...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.3.45  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3.43    one month ago
There's not one indication that he means to show disrespect..

I suppose if you ignore what he said. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.46  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.42    one month ago
Nice cherry picking of definitions....

That’s horseshit. So I’m a liar now? I ignored some other, better definition? I literally Googled the word “disrespect” and then copied and pasted the definitions that came up.

Some people don’t want to hear the truth.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.47  Tacos!  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.3.44    one month ago

Yeah, going with the #1 definitions is “cherry picking” now. What a joke.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.48  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.42    one month ago
Nice cherry picking of definitions....

provide YOUR choice of definition for the word then instead of grousing about the real definition.

It should be VERY interesting to see what YOU think "disrespect" means compared to the rest of the world.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.49  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.46    one month ago
That’s horseshit. So I’m a liar now?

A little sensitive?  I acknowledged that your definition was legitimate, just that you ignored others in posting the one that fit your argument the best.  No where did I even imply you lied.  Geeeze, chill.

I literally Googled the word “disrespect” and then copied and pasted the definitions that came up.

All of them?????  Are you sure?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.50  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.49    one month ago

And exactly how do YOU define the word "disrespect"???

I would LOVE to see it since you claim people are cherry-picking the ACTUAL definition of the word that the rest of the world acknowledges and uses regularly.

Please point out the differences between your definition and the rest of the world's understanding of it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.51  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.49    one month ago
I acknowledged that your definition was legitimate

No, you didn’t. You said I was cherry picking. You never acknowledged the legitimacy of the definition.

All of them?????  Are you sure?

I told you already. Could I have searched for more definitions? Of course. I didn’t need to. I literally copied and pasted exactly what came up, leaving no other definitions out, as I said. But you want to continue to play this childish game where you question my integrity but then claim you aren’t even implying that I’m lying.

You have really taken this conversation deep into the gutter because you refuse to acknowledge the genuine facts that contradict your preconceptions.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.52  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.50    one month ago

I’d bet really money that this word-expert didn’t even try what I did, which was to simply Google the word. It’s much easier to accuse me of dishonestly suppressing evidence.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.53  Ozzwald  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.51    one month ago
No, you didn’t. You said I was cherry picking. You never acknowledged the legitimacy of the definition.

The term "cherry picking" implies that you are going though multiple definitions and only selecting the ones you think fit your argument.  You're not cherry picking lies, you are cherry picking definitions like I said.

A little sensitive?

You have really taken this conversation deep into the gutter because you refuse to acknowledge the genuine facts that contradict your preconceptions.

Ditto.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.54  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.52    one month ago

I bet he thought the old Clinton line about the definition of "is" was stellar, too!

Everyone SHOULD know what  disrespect means.

People pretending they don't aren't worth any more time, especially when they refuse to give their very own unique "definition" of what it is.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
2.3.55  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @2.3.54    one month ago
Everyone SHOULD know what  disrespect means.

Which is why all the different definitions are available online, free for the viewing.

People pretending they don't aren't worth any more time

What about people pretending they do?

aren't worth any more time

Here's to hoping.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.56  Tacos!  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.53    one month ago
A little sensitive?

A little full of shit?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
2.3.57  Jack_TX  replied to  Tacos! @2.3.47    one month ago
Yeah, going with the #1 definitions is “cherry picking” now. What a joke.

You sneaky bastard.  You thought we wouldn't see through your "primary definition" ruse.  As if using the dictionary was not a hate crime on its own.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.3.58  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @2.3.55    one month ago
Which is why all the different definitions are available online, free for the viewing.

I know what the definition is.

You have had ample opportunity to explain YOUR personal definition and have thus far refused to do so, instead reduced to merely bitching about the REAL fucking definition while playing semantics.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.3.59  Tacos!  replied to  Jack_TX @2.3.57    one month ago

Apparently the primary definition is always the “cherry picking” definition. I guess I went to crappy schools, because that’s not how I remember dictionaries working.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.4  Tacos!  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

Kneeling certainly can be a gesture of respect. However, when they play the national anthem at these events, the crowd is explicitly asked to stand for the purpose of honoring America. Kaepernick has said he did not wish to stand and take part in that. So in that context, kneeling - or going out of your way to make any other substitute gesture - is a sign of disrespect.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.4.1  Gordy327  replied to  Tacos! @2.4    one month ago

Given the limited space around stadium seats, spectators kneeling would be impractical, if not impossible. But the act of kneeling itself is not disrespectful. In Kaepernick's case, he was respectfully protesting.

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
2.4.2  Kathleen  replied to  Gordy327 @2.4.1    one month ago

He was protesting about the police. He should have protested in front of a police station instead of making himself look like a disrespectful idiot. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.4.3  Gordy327  replied to  Kathleen @2.4.2    one month ago

When you think about it, what better way to draw attention to one's cause than by protesting in a very public and nationally visible space? And let's face it, regardless of how anyone feels about his actions, he did garner much attention, which is usually a component of a protest.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.4.4  Tacos!  replied to  Gordy327 @2.4.1    one month ago
But the act of kneeling itself is not disrespectful.

As I explained, the context controls whether kneeling is respectful or disrespectful. In this case, it's clearly the latter.

In Kaepernick's case, he was respectfully protesting.

Yes. He was being deliberately disrespectful of the invitation to honor America. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to admit it.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
2.5  squiggy  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

“If anything, kneeling is probably the greatest sign of respect.”

… as well as a clever deflection.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.5.1  Gordy327  replied to  squiggy @2.5    one month ago

Deflect from what exactly?

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
2.5.2  squiggy  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.1    one month ago

Couric’s judgement of the judge’s capacity. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.5.3  Gordy327  replied to  squiggy @2.5.2    one month ago

I did not address either Couric or Justice Ginsberg.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
2.5.4  squiggy  replied to  Gordy327 @2.5.3    one month ago

“I did not address either Couric or Justice Ginsberg.”

Exactly, and that takes the spotlight from “Katie Couric censored her” - the topic.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.5.5  Gordy327  replied to  squiggy @2.5.4    one month ago

The topic also includes athletes kneeling, which is what I focused on. So no deflection. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
2.6  Kathleen  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

Not when they are kneeling to protest the police department. That’s why they were doing it. I find that highly disrespectful to do this when you are suppose to be honoring the flag and the National Anthem.. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.6.1  Gordy327  replied to  Kathleen @2.6    one month ago

If you review my posts, I focused on the act of kneeling itself and how it is respectful, not the specific reason/s why it was done. As far as Mr. Kaepernick is concerned, his reasons for kneeling in protest is well known. But as far as a protest goes, it was the most respectful way to do it. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
2.6.2  Kathleen  replied to  Gordy327 @2.6.1    one month ago

I did. 

Perhaps the best thing to do is simply ask the person why they kneeled for the Anthem. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.6.3  Gordy327  replied to  Kathleen @2.6.2    one month ago

I wasn't focusing so much on the why, but rather the act itself.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.6.4  Tacos!  replied to  Gordy327 @2.6.1    one month ago
I focused on the act of kneeling itself and how it is respectful, not the specific reason/s why it was done

Then you are ignoring the context of the discussion and the seed. You are also arguing a straw man. No one has ever claimed that kneeling - all by itself, without the context of being asked to stand - is disrespectful.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
2.6.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Kathleen @2.6.2    one month ago
do is simply ask the person why they kneeled for the Anthem. 

He, of course, admitted he refused to stand for the flag because he didn't want to demonstrate respect for it.  Yet dishonest progressives still claim his decision to kneel is a "greater sign of respect" Do you think they ignore Kaepernick's own words because they don't think a black man can think for himself? Or they just don't care and go with whatever narrative they find most convenient at the moment? 

And of course, no progressive claimed claimed the other day that the high school kids who kneeled during a Mexican song were demonstrating a  "greater sign of respect" by kneeling. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.6.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @2.6.4    one month ago
No one has ever claimed that kneeling - all by itself, without the context of being asked to stand - is disrespectful.

He knows that, he is just arguing for argument's sake.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Principal
2.6.7  Gordy327  replied to  Tacos! @2.6.4    one month ago

Not at all. I said the act of kneeling itself is not inherently disrespectful. Standing may be an expectation in some circumstances, but kneeling instead is not a display of intentional disrespect. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
2.6.8  Tacos!  replied to  Gordy327 @2.6.7    one month ago
I said the act of kneeling itself is not inherently disrespectful.

Exactly, and no one has said it is inherently disrespectful, so that observation from you is moot at best. If it supports an argument, then it is a straw man argument, as I explained. Again, because no one has argued that kneeling is inherently disrespectful.

Standing may be an expectation in some circumstances

We’re not talking about what the expectation “may be” in “some” circumstances. We’re talking about what the expectation is in this specific circumstance. Stop with this disingenuous dissembling.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Guide
2.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Gordy327 @2    one month ago

What next, slamming men for going down on one knee to propose?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
2.7.1  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.7    one month ago
What next, slamming men for going down on one knee to propose?

Except for the fact that no one is doing anything of the sort here, you might have had a point.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
3  Sean Treacy    one month ago

Journalist covering for a liberal? 

Shocking!  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one month ago

Especially the one that ripped Sarah Palin to shreads.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
3.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    one month ago
ally the one that ripped Sarah Palin to shreads.

MSM journalists like Couric  serve as public relations hacks for the Democratic Party than act surprised when no one trusts them to convey information accurately. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
Junior Quiet
3.2  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one month ago

It would be amazing if not so expected...  so many people want to deflect to 'is kneeling disrespectful' when the actual meat of this seed is that a so-called journalist allowed her political bias color the story she was writing rather than report the truth of what was said.  And these same people can argue when someone says 'this is why I no longer trust main-stream media'... 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4  XXJefferson51    one month ago
such protests show a 'contempt for a government that has made it possible for their parents and grandparents to live a decent life.' She said: 'Which they probably could not have lived in the places they came from ... as they became older they realize that this was youthful folly. And that's why education is important.'

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
5  charger 383    one month ago

She did somethings I liked, this is one of them

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6  Texan1211    one month ago

Oh, gee, will this revelation tarnish RBG's golden image as a progressive liberal?

How long before the same progressive liberals turn on her and demand that she be made an example of for her wicked views?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
6.1  charger 383  replied to  Texan1211 @6    one month ago

She won't get a statue now

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @6    one month ago
Oh, gee, will this revelation tarnish RBG's golden image as a progressive liberal?

You understand that liberals allow a difference of opinion.  Something conservatives do not.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago
Something conservatives do not.

SMH, how can anyone reasonably believe that shit?

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Guide
6.2.2  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago

Did you type that with a straight face. Somehow, I doubt it..

Why don't you tell that to all of the black conservative Americans that have constantly been thrown racist remarks and other attacks simply because they have escaped fro the democratic plantation and decided to think for themselves.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Senior Principal
6.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago

Bullshit. Your comment history tells a different story completely.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago
You understand that liberals allow a difference of opinion

Sure. That's why a liberal journalist had to censor RBG to protect her.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.4    one month ago

More of that famous tolerance liberals have  for those democrats who disagree with them...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
6.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    one month ago

SMH, how can anyone reasonably believe that shit?

Liz Cheney believes it.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
6.2.7  squiggy  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago

“You understand that liberals allow a difference of opinion.  Something conservatives do not.”

Wow - just look at who tolerates dissent and who censors, right on these pages. See some of the red rules, off topic, no value bullshit that goes on.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2.6    one month ago

Ok, chalk up another person who is willing to fall for virtually anything,

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Guide
6.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.2.5    one month ago
More of that famous tolerance liberals have  for those democrats who disagree with them..

You see, Sean...to most of those on the left here and nationwide, harassment of those that dare stray from the plantation deserve it.

To them, the more harassment, the better.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
6.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @6.2.9    one month ago
assment of those that dare stray from the plantation deserve it.

That's your typical progressive in a nutshell.  There's no principle or logic behind any argument they make other than expediency and any action criminal or otherwise in support of their objectives is justified.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Participates
6.2.11  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago
You understand that liberals allow a difference of opinion

Is that why Couric censored RBG's opinions?

Is that why liberals demonize :

  • Sarah Palin?
  • Donald Trump?
  • Nick Sandmann?
  • Justice Kavanaugh?
  • Justice Coney-Barrett?
  • etc.?
 
 
 
Ronin2
PhD Quiet
6.2.12  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @6.2    one month ago

They sure do. Just ask Sinema and Manchin. The liberals are so tolerant of their opinions that they harass them 24/7 demanding that they toe the Democrat line. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.2.13  XXJefferson51  replied to  squiggy @6.2.7    one month ago

Without a doubt all of what you said is the truth.  Thanks for saying it here.  

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
7  JaneDoe    one month ago
'Would I arrest them for doing it? No,' she told Couric. 'I think it's dumb and disrespectful. I would have the same answer if you asked me about flag burning.' She added: 'I think it's a terrible thing to do, but I wouldn't lock a person up for doing it. I would point out how ridiculous it seems to me to do such an act.'
The former host writes she thought the justice, who was 83 at the time, was 'elderly and probably didn't fully understand the question.'

Thank goodness Katie was there to cover for poor old justice Ginsburg who just didn’t understand the question. SMH

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1  Texan1211  replied to  JaneDoe @7    one month ago
poor old justice Ginsburg who just didn’t understand the question.

And yet, liberals wanted her to stay on the court at that time.  She couldn't understand a simple question but could understand the complexities of cases brought to SCOTUS.

Man, that sure sounds perfectly sane and reasonable!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    one month ago

They are still bitter at her that she died 90 days too soon.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8  Kavika     one month ago

How frickin' stupid of Couric, Ginsberg was quite good at expressing herself and understanding any question thrown her way. 

Kathy, you are stuck on stupid.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9  JohnRussell    one month ago

To me, this is the key segment of the article, which I didnt see anyone else address

The day after the interview, the head of public affairs for the Supreme Court emailed Couric to say the late justice had 'misspoken' and asked her to remove it from the story.

Couric writes she was 'conflicted' because she was a 'big RBG fan,' but David Westin, the former head of  ABC News , advised Couric to keep it in. 'She's on the Supreme Court. People should hear what she thinks,' he said, according to Couric.

The final version of the story, which meant to promote a compilation of Ginsburg's writings called, My Own Words, included her criticism of 'stupid' and 'arrogant' protesters. But what was left out was arguably more inflammatory.
 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
10  squiggy    one month ago

“…who was 83 at the time, was 'elderly and probably didn't fully understand the question.'”

Aw, say it ain’t Joe.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Masters Participates
10.1  Jasper2529  replied to  squiggy @10    one month ago

At 83, RBG was far more cognizant than Brandon! 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
11  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago

Around the world it's protocol and a common show of respect TO STAND when the national anthem is played/sung, so don't try to declare that kneeling is a sign of respect for that particular circumstance - in the case of the athletes kneeling it is to show DISrespect by purposely NOT standing.  IMO even Ginsburg was wrong to consider athletes kneeling a sign of disrespect for their government.  The national anthem and the flag have existed throughout the temporary rein of all governments, and the flag is a permanent symbol of one's country, as is the anthem a permanent song of praise for one's country no matter what government is in power for the time being.  And in my opinion if you show disrespect for your flag and your anthem you are showing disrespect for your nation.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11    one month ago

Well stated.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11    one month ago

We actually agree on this.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
11.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.2    one month ago

I'm not a slave to specific party loyalty beliefs or right/left philosophies, XX. I'm an independent thinker and deal with issues using my own common sense and personal beliefs.  That is why I can praise a POTUS who does what I think is right and be angrily critical of that same POTUS for what I think is wrong, just as I can declare that Xi Jinping and the CPC are sometimes very wrong, and sometimes right, as you have seen.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
11.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11    one month ago

Bravo!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
11.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.3    one month ago

Thank you Ed, and thanks to all who agreed with me and voted my rant up.  Woody Guthrie did not sing "This Administration Is Your Administration, This Administration is My Administration", he sang "This Land Is Your Land, This Land Is My Land".

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
12  Jack_TX    one month ago

This isn't about kneeling.  This is about selective reporting.

There is a reason that trust in the news media is at historic lows.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
12.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @12    one month ago

I go back to a day when reporting the news was actual, factual and unbiased.  Today, it is for the purpose of promoting an agenda. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
PhD Quiet
12.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @12.1    one month ago

Yep, I miss the days of Walter Cronkite!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
12.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @12.1.1    one month ago

I've posted that very lament on this site more than once.

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
12.1.3  Veronica  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @12.1.1    one month ago

I have to agree.  It has amazed me how "news" reporting has gone from reporting facts to forms of entertainment, half truths and snippets of rumor. 

 
 
 
Veronica
Junior Guide
13  Veronica    one month ago

I find this whole seed amusing.  For all the bellyaching that went on about RBG when she was alive she has all of sudden become the poster girl for some on the right because of this one issue - HILARIOUS!

 
 
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