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America’s Descent into Medical Fascism

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  3 years ago  •  99 comments

By:   Rob Jenkins

America’s Descent into Medical Fascism
From that international treaty comes our modern notion of “informed consent”—something we’re now ignoring in our push to force-vaccinate everyone regardless of age, health status, prior immunity, or conscience. But I digress. In a sense, then, the term “medical fascism” is redundant. Nevertheless, I thought it might be helpful to identify the purported rationale for today’s attempted fascist takeover: We must surrender our freedom, we are told, for the good of society, to “combat the virus.”...

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This article from Town Hall is so right on. It perfectly describes the type of regime those of us in the resistance to it face.  President Biden is clearly a fascist by every definition of the term.  The propaganda and methods of achieving goals are textbook fascism.  The constitution is being trampled upon.  Propaganda drowns out truth.  The alliance of big government with the msm, big tech social media, and big corporations is textbook fascism as well.  That parents are being called domestic terrorists and citizens are told to surrender their rights and simply shut up and obey is more evidence of the impending fascist dictatorship.  


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I debated whether to include “medical” in this headline. After all, fascism is fascism, right? It hardly requires a modifier.

Moreover, fascism and the medical profession share a long and sordid history. During the 1930s, German doctors joined the Nazi party at four times the rate of other professionals. Among the Nazis’ most heinous crimes against humanity were their medical experiments on human subjects—atrocities that gave rise to the Nuremberg Code, which states that “the voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.”

From that international treaty comes our modern notion of “informed consent”—something we’re now ignoring in our push to force-vaccinate everyone regardless of age, health status, prior immunity, or conscience. But I digress.

In a sense, then, the term “medical fascism” is redundant. Nevertheless, I thought it might be helpful to identify the purported rationale for today’s attempted fascist takeover: We must surrender our freedom, we are told, for the good of society, to “combat the virus.”

Our oppressors don’t even bother denying it. They simply frame their tyranny as a matter of “public health.” That none of the draconian, liberty-crushing measures foisted upon us have been effective in “combatting the virus” doesn’t enter into the conversation. We must simply do as we’re told, or else.

This is not, as some on the right have argued, communism or socialism. It is straightforward fascism. That’s easily seen when we compare what’s going on in the US today with what was happening in Germany in the 1930s.

Virulent authoritarianism.  One of the scariest things about European Fascism is the speed at which it came to dominate everyday life. Within a few years, you were either all in for “the State” or you were its enemy.

A similar dynamic has emerged in the United States. First, there were “two weeks to flatten the curve.” Then we had more lockdowns, closing small businesses and shuttering churches, followed by additional unconstitutional mandates.

Now we have an Attorney General, at the behest of the President, labelling parents “domestic terrorists” for daring to stand up against corrupt schoolboards. Citizens are encouraged to be “good Germans” and inform on each other; the FBI, like plainclothes Gestapo, is to be the enforcement arm.

Just as it was in 1930s Germany, the message is clear: Shut up and comply, or we will destroy you.

The Nexus of Big Government and Big Business.  A key marker of fascism, as opposed to communism or socialism, is the unholy alliance of public and private sectors. Unlike its ideological cousins, fascism leaves production ostensibly to private industrialists—as long as they help the government further its oppressive agenda. The reward, for them, is great wealth plus a seat at the table of power.

This dynamic was apparent early in our pandemic response, when the government literally chose economic winners and losers. Those deemed “essential” did fine working from home even as unessential peons lost their livelihoods. Big Tech reaped fantastic profits, as did Amazon and Walmart, while small businesses were plowed under like dry Okie wheat fields.

More recently, we’ve seen Big Tech colluding with the Biden* administration to suppress information and Big Pharma enjoying an historic windfall for pushing “vaccines” that are neither as safe nor as effective as advertised. Once again, the favored corporations, the government’s partners in oppression, prosper. Everyone else suffers.

Book burning.  Speaking of suppressing information, that’s another hallmark of fascist regimes. In 1930s Germany, it meant burning “dangerous” books. The modern equivalent, in our digital age, involves removing people from social media platforms for saying anything that diverges from the official government/elite narrative, even if it’s true. Especially if it’s true. As the inimitable el gato malo says, it has become axiomatic: Since Twitter only bans the truth, whatever Twitter bans must therefore be true.

The point of this modern-day book-burning, like its Nazi predecessor, is to ensure that people hear only the approved messages. Of course, another term for “approved message” is “propaganda”—something at which fascists also excel.

“Othering.”  Finally, the Nazis become infamous for identifying one group as the cause of all societal ills. For them, it was Jews, who were blamed for the nation’s economic woes as well as--and this is key--public health challenges. Posters from that era depict Jews as bug-like creatures spreading typhoid and other diseases.

Today, it is the misnamed “anti-vaxxers” being “othered.” They are the reason we can’t get past this pandemic, not technocratic incompetence or the fact that “viruses gonna virus.” They, not stunning government malfeasance, are responsible for runaway inflation, dismal employment numbers, and a looming recession.

The only item missing from the standard list of fascist traits is nationalism. But that is only because the fascists, having seen the light, are all globalists now.

One of the main differences between fascism and communism, in the mid-19 th century, is that the latter sought world domination while the former was more inwardly focused (although that didn’t stop them from seeking to conquer their neighbors).

It turns out, though, that pure communism doesn’t work, because governments are woefully inept at controlling the means of production. They either go broke or adopt the fascist model, in which some “private enterprise” is encouraged so long as it serves the state.

China is the poster child for this evolution. And although we might come at it from the opposite end of the political spectrum, are we really that far behind in terms of elitism, cronyism, and oppression?

Thankfully, hopeful signs of pushback have emerged: the Southwest Airlines non-strike strike; the growing success of conservative media outlets like Townhall and The Daily Wire; the rising popularity of covid-policy skeptics like Alex Berenson, Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Peter McCullough, and el gato malo; and the refusal of many parents to be intimidated by their local commissars—I mean, school boards.

That’s a start. But if we wish to turn the tide, and escape full-on fascism, we will need a lot more of that sort of thing, and soon.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    3 years ago
In a sense, then, the term “medical fascism” is redundant. Nevertheless, I thought it might be helpful to identify the purported rationale for today’s attempted fascist takeover: We must surrender our freedom, we are told, for the good of society, to “combat the virus.”

Our oppressors don’t even bother denying it. They simply frame their tyranny as a matter of “public health.” That none of the draconian, liberty-crushing measures foisted upon us have been effective in “combatting the virus” doesn’t enter into the conversation. We must simply do as we’re told, or else.

This is not, as some on the right have argued, communism or socialism. It is straightforward fascism. That’s easily seen when we compare what’s going on in the US today with what was happening in Germany in the 1930s.

Virulent authoritarianism. One of the scariest things about European Fascism is the speed at which it came to dominate everyday life. Within a few years, you were either all in for “the State” or you were its enemy.

A similar dynamic has emerged in the United States. First, there were “two weeks to flatten the curve.” Then we had more lockdowns, closing small businesses and shuttering churches, followed by additional unconstitutional mandates.

Now we have an Attorney General, at the behest of the President, labelling parents “domestic terrorists” for daring to stand up against corrupt schoolboards. Citizens are encouraged to be “good Germans” and inform on each other; the FBI, like plainclothes Gestapo, is to be the enforcement arm.

Just as it was in 1930s Germany, the message is clear: Shut up and comply, or we will destroy you.

The Nexus of Big Government and Big Business. A key marker of fascism, as opposed to communism or socialism, is the unholy alliance of public and private sectors. Unlike its ideological cousins, fascism leaves production ostensibly to private industrialists—as long as they help the government further its oppressive agenda. The reward, for them, is great wealth plus a seat at the table of power.

This dynamic was apparent early in our pandemic response, when the government literally chose economic winners and losers. Those deemed “essential” did fine working from home even as unessential peons lost their livelihoods. Big Tech reaped fantastic profits, as did Amazon and Walmart, while small businesses were plowed under like dry Okie wheat fields.

More recently, we’ve seen Big Tech colluding with the Biden* administration to suppress information and Big Pharma enjoying an historic windfall for pushing “vaccines” that are neither as safe nor as effective as advertised. Once again, the favored corporations, the government’s partners in oppression, prosper. Everyone else suffers.

Book burning. Speaking of suppressing information, that’s another hallmark of fascist regimes. In 1930s Germany, it meant burning “dangerous” books. The modern equivalent, in our digital age, involves removing people from social media platforms for saying anything that diverges from the official government/elite narrative, even if it’s true. Especially if it’s true. As the inimitable el gato malo says, it has become axiomatic: Since Twitter only bans the truth, whatever Twitter bans must therefore be true.

The point of this modern-day book-burning, like its Nazi predecessor, is to ensure that people hear only the approved messages. Of course, another term for “approved message” is “propaganda”—something at which fascists also excel.

“Othering.” Finally, the Nazis become infamous for identifying one group as the cause of all societal ills. For them, it was Jews, who were blamed for the nation’s economic woes as well as--and this is key--public health challenges. Posters from that era depict Jews as bug-like creatures spreading typhoid and other diseases.

Today, it is the misnamed “anti-vaxxers” being “othered.” They are the reason we can’t get past this pandemic, not technocratic incompetence or the fact that “viruses gonna virus.” They, not stunning government malfeasance, are responsible for runaway inflation, dismal employment numbers, and a looming recession.

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/14384/americas-descent-into-medical-fascism
 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2  Ed-NavDoc    3 years ago

As Spock said at the end of Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Kahn, "Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."/s

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    3 years ago

What is with this fascination with Fascism?  Fascists would put a boot on your neck and vaccinate you.  Period.   Fascists would simply stand you against the wall in front of a firing squad and be done with it.  There wouldn't be any argument or alternative.  The comic book version of Fascism being tossed around is deliberately intended to distract and obscure a more insidious political ideology than Fascism.

Joe Biden is a neoliberal.  Neoliberals are unelected technocrats who impose institutional controls over the economy and over society without input from or accountability to the people.  Joe Biden is protecting a neoliberal technocracy that appoints itself as a governing authority independent from and unaccountable to elected government.  Neoliberals are far, far more dangerous than Fascists.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Nerm_L @3    3 years ago

Something the hard core liberal left does routinely when they lack the ideological proverbial leg to stand on. Blame the right wing Fascists, it's all their fault!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    3 years ago
Something the hard core liberal left does routinely when they lack the ideological proverbial leg to stand on. Blame the right wing Fascists, it's all their fault!

Pretty laughable, considering that this was seeded by a hard core conservative.  But hey, we gotta blame the left for what our comrades are doing somehow, don't we, Ed?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.1    3 years ago

Just because it was a hard core conservative doesn't make him right in my opinion. I have zero use or tolerance for the radical hard core from either end of the spectrum. We are all shaped by our upbringing and/our environment. Yours and mine are obviously different. As I have said previously, I respect others right to think and believe as they choose and only ask the same in return, so think what you will as it's a free country. Have a good day.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1    3 years ago
Something the hard core liberal left does routinely when they lack the ideological proverbial leg to stand on. Blame the right wing Fascists, it's all their fault!

And the hard core conservative right routinely goes along for the ride.  Meanwhile neoliberals are playing both those ends to the middle.  That's the real danger.  Technocrats only have loyalty to the technocracy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.1    3 years ago

Haven't you ever noticed that there is a small cadre of idiots from both sides who use the terms Fascists and Nazis incorrectly on these forums?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.2    3 years ago

You only ever call out the left, though, Ed.  On an article that's making false, uneducated (fascism is a far right-wing ideology) accusation against the left, you still call out the left, not the right-wingers making said false, uneducated accusations.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.5    3 years ago
The only item missing from the standard list of fascist traits is nationalism. But that is only because the fascists, having seen the light, are all globalists now.

One of the main differences between fascism and communism, in the mid-19 th century, is that the latter sought world domination while the former was more inwardly focused (although that didn’t stop them from seeking to conquer their neighbors).

It turns out, though, that pure communism doesn’t work, because governments are woefully inept at controlling the means of production. They either go broke or adopt the fascist model, in which some “private enterprise” is encouraged so long as it serves the state.

China is the poster child for this evolution. And although we might come at it from the opposite end of the political spectrum, are we really that far behind in terms of elitism, cronyism, and oppression?

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/14384/americas-descent-into-medical-fascism#cm1670770
 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.7  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.4    3 years ago

Haven't you ever noticed that there are at least one or two idiots on these forums who don't recognize Fascism when it rears its ugly head?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.7    3 years ago

I notice people who don't know what the fuck fascism is, and are seemingly intent on proving it to all daily.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.9  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    3 years ago
people who don't know what the fuck fascism is

That seems to be you.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.1    3 years ago

This great article that came from Town Hall is so right on in what it is stating.  It perfectly describes the type of regime those of us in the resistance to it continue to face.  Dear leader uncle Joe President Biden is clearly a fascist by every definition of that term.  The propaganda and methods of achieving regime goals are textbook fascism.  The constitution we hold dear is being trampled upon.  Their non stop Propaganda drowns out truth.  The alliance of big government with the msm, big tech social media, and big corporations is textbook fascism as well, all doing the business of and subservient to the state. That parents in our country are being called domestic terrorists and citizens are told to surrender their rights and simply shut up and obey is more evidence of the impending fascist dictatorship.  Resistance is not futile.  Let’s go Brandon!  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.9    3 years ago
That seems to be you.

Then you simply haven't been paying attention to what I write.

Your loss.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.9    3 years ago

The thing is that we aren’t there yet.  The seeded article implies that is where we are leaning and surely will go if we the people don’t make our voices heard much more than we are now.  Too many will see the needed mirror this article presents them and will refuse to recoil at it and then relish in it and make even more demands in the me name of “public health” or “correct” information.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.5    3 years ago

Then you have not seen enough of my posts that say otherwise. I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I am a registered right leaning Independent and I do in fact call out people and posts from both sides that I disagree with. Sometimes more left than right, but not always. But as I said above, you are free to believe as you will.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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3.1.14  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.4    3 years ago
Haven't you ever noticed that there is a small cadre of idiots from both sides who use the terms Fascists and Nazis incorrectly on these forums?

Don't forget "socialist".

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @3.1.14    3 years ago
Don't forget "socialist".

Yep, that. too!

And how many times have we seen seeds derailed by debates over what those really are?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.2    3 years ago
so think what you will as it's a free country. Have a good day.

and I just want to put up enough pressure upon the ruling class elites to make sure that it stays that way, as the constitution is never suspended not even for a pandemic or for CRT.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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3.1.17  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.11    3 years ago
Then you simply haven't been paying attention to what I write.

In case you haven't noticed, no one else does, either.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.18  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.5    3 years ago

I forgot to mention that every time idiot tag team of Marjorie T Green and Madison Cawthorne open their imbecilic mouths I call them out when I see them, but I guess you never noticed that.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.17    3 years ago
In case you haven't noticed, no one else does, either.

Well, that certainly explains most of the idiotic fucking replies I get--people responding to shit they OBVIOUSLY know nothing about.

Thanks for the confirmation--I have long suspected people didn't read before posting their shit in reply.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.20  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.12    3 years ago
The thing is that we aren't there yet.

With your active support, we will be there soon.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.1.21  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.1.18    3 years ago

You might occasionally call out a person or two.  You consistently call out one side.  You had to basically ignore the contents of this seed to accuse the left of calling conservatives fascist.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.20    3 years ago

No, I’m the one fighting to prevent that from happening with the clowns in the majority control in DC now.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.23  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    3 years ago
I notice people who don't know what the fuck fascism is

Fascism   ( / ˈ f æ ʃ ɪ z əm / ) is a form of   far-right ,   authoritarian   ultranationalism [1]   characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, [2]   which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. [3]   The first fascist movements   emerged in Italy   during   World War I , before   spreading to other European countries . [3]   Opposed to  anarchism democracy liberalism , and  Marxism , fascism is placed on the far  right-wing  within the traditional  left–right spectrum . [3] [4]

Fascists saw World War I as a   revolution   that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of   total war   and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A military citizenship arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war. [5]   The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens. [5]

Fascists believe that   liberal democracy   is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a   totalitarian   one-party state   as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. [6]   A fascist state is led by a strong leader (such as a   dictator ) and a   martial law   government composed of the members of the governing fascist party to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. [6]   Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views   imperialism , political violence and war as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. [7]   Fascists advocate a   mixed economy , with the principal goal of achieving   autarky   (national economic self-sufficiency) through   protectionist   and   economic interventionist   policies. [8]   The extreme authoritarianism and nationalism of fascism often manifests a belief in   racial purity   or a   master race , usually synthesized with some variant of   racism   or   bigotry   of a demonized " Other "; the idea of racial purity has motivated fascist regimes to commit   massacres ,   forced sterilizations ,   genocides ,   mass killings , or forced   deportations   against a perceived "Other". [9]

Since the end of   World War II   in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as   fascist , and the term is instead now usually used   pejoratively   by political opponents. The descriptions of   neo-fascist   or   post-fascist   are sometimes applied more formally to describe contemporary parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements. [3] [10]

Fascism was, is and always will be a right wing political ideology.

Hope that helps. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.23    3 years ago
Hope that helps. 

if they didn't know before, I doubt it will help them

Good attempt to educate them, though!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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3.1.25  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.21    3 years ago

I think we're at a impasse here. It is pointless to just go round and round on this. I'm done so have a good day 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1.26  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.23    3 years ago
Fascism was, is and always will be a right wing political ideology. Hope that helps. 

Then, please, explain why political movements opposing the authority of government are considered 'right wing'?  Why aren't those demanding that government do more to enforce compliance with government mandates and requirements considered 'right wing'?  Why aren't those advocating a bigger and more intrusive government considered 'right wing'?

You've provided the defining criteria of Fascism as being dictatorial powers, forcible suppression of opposition, and regimentation of society and the economy.  Doesn't that apply to things like government mandates and requiring vaccination as a condition of employment? Doesn't that apply to government imposed education standards?  Doesn't that apply to liberals attempting to unilaterally impose their pet projects onto the country through legislative gamesmanship?

You've provided a clear definition of Fascism and have associated that definition with 'right wing'.  But do you understand who is 'right wing'?  According to the definition of Fascism you've provided, liberals seem to be pursuing 'right wing' policies in practice.  Liberals really are attempting to use government to obtain dictatorial powers over society and the economy.  Liberals really are attempting regimentation of society and the economy through government imposed and enforced standards.  And liberals really are attempting to use government to forcibly suppress opposition.

Maybe liberals are more 'right wing' than they want to admit.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3.1.27  bugsy  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.9    3 years ago
That seems to be you.

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Nerm_L @3.1.26    3 years ago

Well said.  You describe the situation better than I have.  In general the seeded article was making the points you described so well.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.29  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bugsy @3.1.27    3 years ago

It is the liberal way, to make an argument though.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.1    3 years ago
"Something the hard core liberal left does routinely when they lack the ideological proverbial leg to stand on. Blame the right wing Fascists, it's all their fault!"

"Pretty laughable, considering that this was seeded by a hard core conservative.  But hey, we gotta blame the left for what our comrades are doing somehow, don't we, Ed?"

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.31  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.21    3 years ago

And Biden is deliberately by policy choice super spreading covid all across America with his policy of resettling covid positive illegal aliens in red communities. He wants to keep the pandemic alive so that he can maintain mandates and emergency powers and he can sink the economy in order to impose the green new deal and reconciliation socialist programs.  He intends for us to never return to pre pandemic normal.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @3    3 years ago
Joe Biden is a neoliberal.  Neoliberals are unelected technocrats

I might be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure Biden was elected.  Elections imply accountability and input.  So, your fearmongering is based on false premises.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2    3 years ago
Just as it was in 1930s Germany, the message is clear: Shut up and comply, or we will destroy you.

The Nexus of Big Government and Big Business.  A key marker of fascism, as opposed to communism or socialism, is the unholy alliance of public and private sectors. Unlike its ideological cousins, fascism leaves production ostensibly to private industrialists—as long as they help the government further its oppressive agenda. The reward, for them, is great wealth plus a seat at the table of power.

This dynamic was apparent early in our pandemic response, when the government literally chose economic winners and losers. Those deemed “essential” did fine working from home even as unessential peons lost their livelihoods. Big Tech reaped fantastic profits, as did Amazon and Walmart, while small businesses were plowed under like dry Okie wheat fields.

More recently, we’ve seen Big Tech colluding with the Biden* administration to suppress information and Big Pharma enjoying an historic windfall for pushing “vaccines” that are neither as safe nor as effective as advertised. Once again, the favored corporations, the government’s partners in oppression, prosper. Everyone else suffers.

Book burning.  Speaking of suppressing information, that’s another hallmark of fascist regimes. In 1930s Germany, it meant burning “dangerous” books. The modern equivalent, in our digital age, involves removing people from social media platforms for saying anything that diverges from the official government/elite narrative, even if it’s true.

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/14384/americas-descent-into-medical-fascism#cm1670811
 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3.2.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.1    3 years ago

Why are you posting quotes that have nothing to do with my comment?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.2    3 years ago

When did I ever concede that let’s go Brandon was actually rightfully elected?  He’s acting like a tin horn dictator.  I am simply showing his actions as such.  

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.4  Ender  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    3 years ago

We know. You think the election was stolen....

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.5  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2    3 years ago

It is based on lies.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    3 years ago
When did I ever concede that let’s go Brandon was actually rightfully elected?

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Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.7  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    3 years ago

So we have several people here that think the election was stolen.

Very telling.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
3.2.8  Jack_TX  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    3 years ago
When did I ever concede that let’s go Brandon was actually rightfully elected?

Well...he was.  And it wasn't close.  Because math is a real thing.

 He’s acting like a tin horn dictator.  I am simply showing his actions as such.

I think we need to figure out if he's a "tin horn dictator" or a feeble, senile old man who is accomplishing very little (which is why he was elected). 

You really can't be both with any degree of credibility.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    3 years ago

Speaking of let’s go Brandon, I have a question that you may rule off topic. (Feel free to do so)

Why is the world is the NFL broadcasting nationally televised football games in Spanish?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.2.10  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2    3 years ago
I might be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure Biden was elected.  Elections imply accountability and input.  So, your fearmongering is based on false premises.

Really?  We didn't elect Merrick Garland or Janet Yellen or Anthony Blinken or Lloyd Austin or Xavier Beccara.  We didn't even elect Kamala Harris; Harris was selected by Biden and not selected by voters.

Francis Collins has been head of NIH since 2009.  You really believe Collins is only following orders in response to the pandemic?  You really believe voters can hold Collins accountable?

Joe Biden made a campaign pledge to listen to and follow the advice of technocrats.  So, who did we elect?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.2.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.10    3 years ago
We didn't even elect Kamala Harris; Harris was selected by Biden and not selected by voters.

Kamala Harris was on the ballot, of course she was elected. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.9    3 years ago

I have no idea.  

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.13  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.9    3 years ago

There are in excess of 40 million Spanish speakers in the US and US football is popular in Mexico, a pretty simple explanation.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.3    3 years ago

No, we know you're clinging to the lie that the election was stolen.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.15  Ender  replied to  Kavika @3.2.13    3 years ago

No kidding. Of all the things to get upset about...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.16  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.10    3 years ago

You think this was only a problem with Biden? As I have never seen you complain about it before.

You know, when donald was nominating judges or putting people in positions of power...not a word.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.17  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.6    3 years ago

Thanks for sharing your Photo of your reply to my comment! 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.2.18  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @3.2.16    3 years ago
You think this was only a problem with Biden? As I have never seen you complain about it before. You know, when donald was nominating judges or putting people in positions of power...not a word.

Since you've forgotten, allow me to refresh your memory.  Trump was firing technocrats.  The technocrats were quite vocal expressing their concern and angst that Trump was not listening to them and was not following their advice.  Trump was telling the technocracy what to do and how to do it.  And the technocracy resisted.

The selling point for Joe Biden was that he would do what the technocrats told him to do.  Biden promised he would not upset the technocratic normal.  Biden pledged to govern on the advice of commissions, advisory panels, and experts; none of whom were elected and none of whom are accountable to voters.  Biden has claimed responsibility but dodges accountability by citing the advice of experts; Biden is using the 'following orders' defense.

The contrast between the Trump administration and the Biden administration is too stark to allow toadying defense of the technocracy through deliberate ignorance.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.2.19  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.9    3 years ago

Why is the world is the NFL broadcasting nationally televised football games in Spanish?

So people who speak Spanish can enjoy the games as well? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.20  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.18    3 years ago

Are you actually trying to say donald did not put his own people into positions?

After reading that, the rest seems not worth the time.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.2.21  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @3.2.20    3 years ago
Are you actually trying to say donald did not put his own people into positions? After reading that, the rest seems not worth the time.

And how many of those people Trump put into office were still in office at the end of Trump's term?  Priebus?  Kelly? Tillerson?  Sessions? Acosta?  Zinke?  Mattis?  Perry?  Coats?  Haley?  Pruitt?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.23  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.11    3 years ago

She was but the point is that democrats in office demand we give up our freedom and liberty and accept the rulings of these unelected “experts” and shut up and obey them. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @3.2.15    3 years ago

He wasn’t upset.  He simply asked a question.  Nothing wrong with that.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.18    3 years ago

And I remember when Bush 43 was President you very often opposed him and his policies. The irony is that had Hillary decided not to run as Biden did Trump could well have run as a pro union working class democrat advocate in 2016.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.26  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.21    3 years ago

You mean his "best people" couldn't even meet his abysmal standards?  I'm shocked that sycophants who weren't quite, well, sycophantic enough didn't last in his administration /s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.27  Vic Eldred  replied to    3 years ago
Perhaps

Perhaps the NFL knows it doesn't need us and we don't like them either.  It's a mutual divorce.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.28  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.27    3 years ago

How in the world does that affect you at all?  It's a really petty thing to be angry about.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.29  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.28    3 years ago

How dare people that speak another language enjoy football...

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.30  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.27    3 years ago
Perhaps the NFL knows it doesn't need us and we don't like them either.
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CONSPIRACY !

Perhaps the NFL is a collective business and seeks market share.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.31  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @3.2.29    3 years ago

They should be broadcast in Iroquois and Navajo.

Which leads me to question - should the Navajo code talkers have been thrown out of the military for speaking a language other than English?  Did the ends really justify the means there?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.2.32  MrFrost  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.31    3 years ago

There are still people that don't realize that English isn't the national language and that we have no national language.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.2.33  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.18    3 years ago

Ok, I broke down and read the rest of your post.

Sounds to me like you are advocating a president that has all the power instead of power being spread.

That people should be fired if they don't do exactly what the president wants.

Is this what you really want? Because it is sounding more like advocating for some kind of dictatorship. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.2.34  MrFrost  replied to  Ender @3.2.33    3 years ago

Is this what you really want? Because it is sounding more like advocating for some kind of dictatorship. 

Fascism, if ya want to put a point on it.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.35  Kavika   replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.31    3 years ago

Most of the Code Talkers, Navajo and 31 other tribes got beaten for speaking their language in the Indian Boarding Schools''...

Part of Killing the Indian was to kill our languages.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
3.2.36  Kavika   replied to  Ender @3.2.29    3 years ago

Ah, some of the pinche pendejos get upset about it. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.37  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kavika @3.2.35    3 years ago

A long and terrible chapter in our history.  And one we should all remember when somebody complains about a language other than English being spoken.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.2.38  Nerm_L  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.25    3 years ago
And I remember when Bush 43 was President you very often opposed him and his policies. The irony is that had Hillary decided not to run as Biden did Trump could well have run as a pro union working class democrat advocate in 2016.  

Well, yes, I did oppose a lot of what the Cheney-Rumsfeld administration was doing.  Didn't GW oppose and support amnesty at the same time?  But let's not open that can of worms.

512

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
3.2.39  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.26    3 years ago
You mean his "best people" couldn't even meet his abysmal standards?  I'm shocked that sycophants who weren't quite, well, sycophantic enough didn't last in his administration /s

Well, it's understandable why those wanting true blue toadys would be upset when sycophants are kicked out too soon.  It's just not normal.

512

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.40  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @3.2.39    3 years ago

To be replaced by new sycophants.  Very few people would see that as a good thing.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.2.41  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.40    3 years ago

HYPOCRITE ALERT: Biden Violates His Own Mask Mandate In DC Restaurant [WATCH]

by Clayton Keirns about 2 hours ago

rsz_screen_shot_2021-10-18_at_102657_am-758x527.jpgOver the weekend, Joe and Jill Biden were seen violating the mask mandate put in place by DC Mayor Muriel Bowser. Biden just can’t stop being a hypocrite, can he?

Biden has often lectured every American to wear masks, even if they’re fully vaccinated. According to DC ordinances, they require both vaccinated and unvaccinated citizens to wear masks at all times while in an indoor establishment.

However, when the couple entered the upscale Fiola Mare restaurant, they felt they were too cool to follow their own mask rules. Watch below:

According to Mayor Bowser’s mask mandate, “Everyone (including fully vaccinated people) must wear masks in indoor public settings,” including “restaurants and bars (when not eating or drinking).”

Rules for thee, not for me!…

read more: https://trendingpolitics.com/hypocrite-alert-biden-violates-his-own-mask-mandate-in-dc-restaurant-watch/

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.42  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.28    3 years ago
How in the world does that affect you at all? 

Do you understand what I'm saying?  I tune into a nationally broadcast game and it's in Spanish. It's not on univision, it's on the national network. What does the majority of Americans do to listen to a football game?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.43  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.42    3 years ago

This game was only offered in Spanish?   No English broadcast?   Why would the NFL intentionally reduce the size of its audience by broadcasting in Spanish and not in English?

That makes no sense Vic.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.2.44  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.42    3 years ago

Quite frankly, I don't need sound at all to watch a game. The action, stats at the bottom of the screen, replays and referee's signals are all that's needed. I remember a few years back the NFL broadcast at least one game (and maybe a few more not sure) without commentary and it was just fine.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.45  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.43    3 years ago
This game was only offered in Spanish?   No English broadcast?

Correct. Unless it has something to do with my TV coverage.


Why would the NFL intentionally reduce the size of its audience by broadcasting in Spanish and not in English?

That's what I'm asking. Nobody else has run across this?

I think I just found something:

NFL Football in SPANISH - HOW TO FIX

Posting this September 2021

NFL games on COX in Southern CA randomly default to Spanish. After calling COX - no solution - and reading a bunch of posts (here and elsewhere) with no complete solution, I decided to post this cure. For clarity, we have fairly new Samsung TVs...

First, the fundamental issue is that COX - for some bizarre reason - DEFAULTS many of its NFL/Football broadcasts to SPANISH as the PRIMARY language. That means if you go to your TV language and COX menu language/SAP and hit "reset" (or default or "English") you will find that your broadcast stays in Spanish. Making it worse, COX does not give you an actual language selection that is easy to find. Here's how to fix the issue:

While watching the game - with NO menu showing - hit the PAUSE BUTTON. This will (obviously) pause the broadcast. You'll notice a small menu pops up along the bottom showing pause, rewind, fast forward - and ON THE LEFT SIDE you'll see "AD" "SAP" and "CC". YOU HAVE TO DO THE FOLLOWING QUICKLY BECAUSE THE MENU DISAPPEARS AFTER 3 SECS.... use your arrow keys and scroll LEFT to SAP (it will highlight "audio options") and click enter - the "audio options" menu will then appear - you need to select SPANISH and click ENTER - which then puts the SECONDARY LANGUAGE AS SPANISH (as counterintuitive as it may seem) - and you're done!

Hope this helps!

ASB in CA


.


It must be happening with Comcast as well.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.46  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.44    3 years ago
That makes no sense Vic.  

I hear ya on that. I have to turn the sound off.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
3.2.47  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.45    3 years ago

Technology problem?   

It certainly would not be the NFL's intent for this to happen.    Agreed?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.48  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.47    3 years ago

Agreed.

I didn't know until about 2 minutes ago.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.49  sandy-2021492  replied to  TᵢG @3.2.43    3 years ago

Exactly.  I've never seen a nationally broadcast game offered only in Spanish.  I've come across both English and Spanish options of many broadcasts.  I just choose the English version, if it's something I want to watch.  I have Directv, and I believe I can choose subtitles in several different languages, if I want.

There are a few networks devoted to Spanish-language programming.  I just scroll past them, same as I do with the multiple iterations of ESPN, MLB, Nickelodeon, and the sappy Hallmark movie channels.  And then I get on with my life.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.50  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.49    3 years ago

The default should be in English. People shouldn't have to fix it themselves.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.2.51  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.50    3 years ago

First world problems.  If that's the worst thing that happens to you today, it's a pretty good day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.52  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.2.51    3 years ago

You're right.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3.3  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @3    3 years ago

Unelected?

You have to be kidding....

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4  Ender    3 years ago

Boo hoo hoo. The government wants me to get a shot to save my life.

Oh the horror !

I am so glad I never had to get any other inoculations...oh wait...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @4    3 years ago

Under what constitutional authority is the federal government under the Biden permitted to make and enforce such a national mandate that they still haven’t even written yet?  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
4.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    3 years ago

Why are you so upset by the fact that the government gives a shit about your health?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
4.1.2  Ender  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.1    3 years ago

Especially from someone that supposedly took the vac themselves...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.1    3 years ago

It doesn’t.  It just wants power and control

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    3 years ago

Supposedly?  I took it..  I’m just not interested in compelling others to do so.  I’m actually interested in protecting the right of every American to freely make their own informed decision as to wearing a mask or jetting the jab.  I am eligible now to get the Pfizer booster jab.  I’m not yet 65 so they can’t make me do it but I could based on other factors. 

 
 
 
Hallux
PhD Principal
4.1.6  Hallux  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.4    3 years ago
make their own informed decision

Do you actually think people are capable of that when asking Google a simple question such as "are covid vaccinations safe?" leads to 64,100,000 results? In another ranting seed of yours the medical profession was accused of fascism ... certainly can't ask them for an informed opinion. So just where does this famed informed decision come from? 101 priests?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.1    3 years ago

I’m glad that they care about my health and that the prior administration got us three vaccines.  I’m glad that the government was advocating that people make the choice to get the vaccine and o did so.  I’m not glad that the federal government has exceeded its constitutional bounds and is trying to coerce it.  I’m resisting the coercion not the vaccine itself.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to    3 years ago

My position is very clear.  I am pro vaccine.  I got the Pfizer in February and March.  I have advocated getting to family and friends since then.  It is a choice I hope everyone freely decides to make with exceptions for religious belief, prior infection.  I object to more federal power.  I object to being compelled as a citizen to obey unelected “experts”.  I liked Trump because he set up federal guidelines and yet let the states and local governments do their own thing as the laboratories of democracy that they are.  

 
 

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