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Dems can't condemn an anti-Semite

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  5 years ago  •  63 comments


Dems can't condemn an anti-Semite
"I don't think that the congresswoman perhaps appreciates the full weight of how it was heard by other people, although I don't believe it was intended in an anti-Semitic way,"

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Rep Ilhan Omar recently told an audience of supporters at the Busboys and Poets café: “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country."  

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Ilhan Omar (Anti-Semite)

Does it sound anti-Semitic? No doubt about it. It hasn't been the first time for Omar. It seems like only weeks ago that she was forced to apologize for insinuating that support for Israel was “all about the Benjamins baby, ” a reference to hundred-dollar bills.
Before that it was talk about Israeli "war crimes ".
That makes two apologies for anti-Semitic remarks. Here we are again, not 3 months since this woman has been sworn in to the House of Representatives. Along with the infamous Rashida Tlaib, she is one of the first Muslim women elected to congress, in her case, from what used to be a wholesome district of Minnesota. So far democrats have gotten away with just demanding an apology, but now the Speaker knows the issue has become a problem for House democrats. A serious problem for a political party that has been so deeply invested in crusading against "discrimination!"

The problem is that there is support for Omar, the anti-Semite, from within & outside the party:

"Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke praised Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) on Thursday amid her ongoing anti-Semitism scandal, calling her "the most important person in Congress."

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David Duke (Anti-Semite)

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44367/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-omar-most-ryan-saavedra


From the new Majority Whip, Jim Clyburn:

He reminded everyone that she
was born in Somalia and spent four years in a Kenyan refugee camp before coming to the United States. “I’m serious about that. There are people who tell me, ‘Well, my parents are Holocaust survivors.’ ‘My parents did this.’ It’s more personal with her,” Clyburn said. “I’ve talked to her, and I can tell you she is living through a lot of pain.”

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Jim Clyburn (Omar defender)



From the infamous Rep Rashida Tlaib (in a tweet):

"I am so honored to serve with @ IlhanMN , an incredible courageous woman. Every time I worry about her and the ugly attacks, I remember what she said to me two months ago: "I survived war, I can survive this."

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Rashida Tlaib (Omar defender)




After giving Omar the benefit of the doubt Pelosi said "I don't think that the congresswoman perhaps appreciates the full weight of how it was heard by other people, although I don't believe it was intended in an anti-Semitic way," Pelosi told reporters at the Capitol. "But the fact is, if that's how it was interpreted, we have to remove all doubt." 

The removal of doubt is what?
A resolution!

A resolution originally designed to condemn the actual statement, but now delayed to be rewritten to remove Omar's name and to broaden the resolution to condemn all forms of hate. In other words democrats cannot confront this anti-Semite nor the anti-Semitism which exists in certain areas of the democratic party. At this hour they are voting on this smoke screen of hypocrisy. 

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How will it affect Jewish American voters who tend to vote democrat?

How will it affect the 2020 election?


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

The non-binding resolution passed 407-23 with one abstention. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
2  igknorantzrulz    5 years ago

Don't stain yourself

with this stretch 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Since is no link to a source, I assume this article was written by the person who posted it, Vic Eldred.

Now, will the moderators please delete the seed or parts of it for "sweeping generalization".

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Tessylo
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3.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

I thought it was a no no to not have a url

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    5 years ago

If he wrote the article himself there would be no url.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tessylo @3.1    5 years ago
a no no to not have a url

i don't have a url, but, i do have a urinal, and Trumpp is envious.

His point sounds about right, and many on that side,

would do , what to me isn't,

and report it, but that's due to my constant reporting and accusations that comments and points i do not agree with, make me SAD, and hert my wittle feelings,

but now

since Jack has denounced JR's denouncement, i'd say it should be corrected, to keep the rule of law, consistent and equally distributed to the Left and Right 

of me,

the Dik, who has now placed himself in the middle

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

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Jack_TX
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4  Jack_TX    5 years ago

I oppose denouncing things.  It's stupid.  It's a brainless waste of time for people who are utterly controlled by their emotions.

Denouncing all the things that emotional people want denounced would require a full time staff of thousands.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
4.1  lib50  replied to  Jack_TX @4    5 years ago

Wastes too damn much time.  Prove it by your votes and policies, and speak out when necessary, otherwise there are so many things more important during this clusterfuck presidency.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5  JBB    5 years ago

Democrats outvoted the damn gop to pass a resolution condemning all hate...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @5    5 years ago
a resolution condemning all hate...

yet, some are hating on this.

Someone else, oughta produce another resolution condemning all hate, so Someone else, can hate on that as well

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
6  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Sad the dems can't just condemn antisemitism...

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Cerenkov
Professor Silent
6.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    5 years ago

What can you expect from a party that puts party before principles? See VA for reference. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
6.1.1  lib50  replied to  Cerenkov @6.1    5 years ago

Honestly, its almost funny conservatives are so concerned about this.  Maybe if they condemned their own people would listen to their opinion.  But they don't and even celebrate and cheer that racism and fear mongering race baiting.  Is this another one of those finger-pointing seeds that only allow bitching about dems from pubs?   Lot of projection, but that old by now.  Nobody cares what conservatives think about racism because they don't even know what it is, its merely used to gin up the base.  By the way, why did republicans vote against it?   I don't get this bitchy seed at all, fix your own party.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @6.1.1    5 years ago
Maybe if they condemned their own people would listen to their opinion. 

We not only condemn them, we remove them from all committees and btw we don't pride ourselves as being against discrimination while allowing anti-Semitism


 By the way, why did republicans vote against it?

Because it didn't condemn the bigot!

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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6.1.3  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    5 years ago
We not only condemn them, we remove them from all committees and btw we don't pride ourselves as being against discrimination while allowing anti-Semitism

There's bullshit!

This last ta daaa was not Kings first time showing his bigotry. He only got taken off the committees because the public took notice. Otherwise his actions were swept under the rug.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
6.1.4  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.2    5 years ago

Please, King went on for decades with impunity.  Trump actively promotes fear mongering and race baiting specifically to rile the base, and he does, to cheers of approval.  Every single time.  So no, it hasn't been dealt with AT ALL.   Now why did so many republicans vote against this?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Studiusbagus @6.1.3    5 years ago

Stop deflecting...Dems have a Jew hater in their party and they can't condemn her. They an't even do much about the racists and accused rapist in VA.  The resolution was pointless and the democratic party is the party of hate.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @6.1.4    5 years ago

Republicans acted...they removed him from all committees. Democrats are covering for all their haters.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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6.1.7  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    5 years ago
Stop deflecting...

Deflecting? Really?

Answering YOUR comment directly and factually is not deflecting.....it's busting a bullshite lie. 

One that the seeder laid out there.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.8  Studiusbagus  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    5 years ago
and the democratic party is the party of hate.

Funny, I've never heard a Democrat or Liberal describe in a death wish, how they would like to see Liberals and Democrats impaled and piled on the southern border ego-wall.

Can you think of anyone with that much hate....Vic??

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Studiusbagus @6.1.8    5 years ago

That's called a metaphor, but of course, anyone who suggests that Trump was really asking the Russians to hack Hillary's e-mails, while all too ready to forgive Omar as not knowing what her words meant, is not really being serious.

PS

You hold on to that in case I ever run for office. Then you can submit it to the Washington Post

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
7  bbl-1    5 years ago

Dems can't defend anti-Semite?  Neither can republicans, but the extreme christian wing of the GOP are---lets just say--too biblical when it come to Judaism.

If I were the GOPERS I'd run from this one before it becomes an arse biter.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  bbl-1 @7    5 years ago
Dems can't defend anti-Semite? 

You got it backwards, they can't condemn one.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
7.2  Studiusbagus  replied to  bbl-1 @7    5 years ago
If I were the GOPERS I'd run from this one before it becomes an arse biter.

LOL...no shit! They have way too many examples in their closet to start pointing fingers.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.2.2  Tessylo  replied to    5 years ago

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Studiusbagus
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7.2.4  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.2    5 years ago

Not a fuckin' clue....sigh.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
7.2.6  Studiusbagus  replied to  Tessylo @7.2.2    5 years ago

Still........

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
7.2.7  lib50  replied to    5 years ago

Is that a rhetorical question?  Because its been addressed every time this subject comes up.  The democrats in the south went republican after democrats pushed for equality and an end to segregation.  They are currently republican,  are you trying to pretend the racists didn't become the dixiecrats?   Now you know they are part of the gop, what does that mean to you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @7.2.7    5 years ago

How did Democrats retain control of the South for some nearly 3 decades after the passage of the Civil Rights and Voting Acts?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
7.2.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.8    5 years ago
How did Democrats retain control of the South

maybe,

they paid a firm with lawyers,

a retainer

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
7.2.10  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.8    5 years ago

If you don't know history, or don't want to know, why are you commenting other than to deflect? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @7.2.10    5 years ago
If you don't know history, or don't want to know, why are you commenting other than to deflect?

I DO know history, not just the spoon-fed pablum you are dishing up.

I didn't bring it up, so no deflection, sorry, try again.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

The purpose of the expanded resolution was to give Omar a shield. Now she (and Tlieb) can continue with antisemitic comments to her (their) heart's delight and anyone who criticizes her (them) for doing so will be labelled an Islamophobe and despised, maybe even added to SPLC's "hate list". 

Again, I must say that any Jews who financially support or vote for Democrats are no different in my opinion than the Jews in Germany during the 1930s who did not believe that anything bad would happen to them.  Sheep to slaughter.  So be it. This is just the beginning. 

Has everyone ignored how rapidly antisemitism is increasing world-wide including in the USA?  You ain't seen NUTHIN' yet.

And by leaving her on the House Foreign Affairs Committee?  Need I even suggest what the result of that will be?  Goodbye, biggest American aircraft carrier in the world stationed in the Middle East that needs not one American soldier on board. (Screw what Alexander Haig thought was a benefit to the USA.)

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
8.1  JBB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago

Are you bothered that Islamaphobia is condemned equally with antisemitism?

They are equal. You know? Both are toxic byproducts of religious intolerance...

I am sure antisemitites feel justified as Islamaphobes. Both are wrongheaded.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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8.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JBB @8.1    5 years ago

Nicely stated

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @8.1    5 years ago

I know exactly what is antisemitism and what isn't antisemitism. It is clearly defined by the International Holocaust Memorial Alliance, echoing the Ottawa Protocol, both adopted by most civilized nations including the USA. If something falls within the accepted definition of antisemitism, then most should consider it to BE antisemitism. They also point out what is NOT antisemitism, notwithstanding so many who argue that ANYTHING they say about Israel gets them called an anti-Semite, which is just such a bullshit discussion stopping lie.  So what is the accepted definition of Islamophobia, and who has adopted that definition?  Every dictionary is different.  What can be said and what can't?  Where is the answer to that?   Until Islamophobia has been clearly defined and the definition adopted by most civilized nations similar to how antisemitism has been clearly defined, there can be no equality of condemnation. 

If I post an article written by an educated Muslim that criticizes fundamental Islamist extremism, I'm called an Islamophobe.  So where's the fairness in that?  Now, as I said, Omar is free to continue her antisemitic tweets and comments because anyone who criticizes her is going to be labelled an Islamophobe, because she can now hold up the shield that says "I'm a Muslim, so you're an Islamophobe."

Although I know I'm wasting my breathe in telling you this, I would like you to know that I was both angry and offended myself when I saw that poster of Omar and the 9/11 disaster.  That was not only a dishonest dirty thing to do, it was STUPID, not only because if it got ME angry and feeling supportive in her defence, but also it's going to be a positive boost to Omar and totally counterproductive of its intent. (In fact I consider it to have been a major reason for the watering down of the antisemitism resolution.)  Elsewhere I related something with a similar intent and the result was a disaster for the political party that did it - the Jean Chretien 'disfigurement" ad - you can even read up about it on google.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @8.1    5 years ago
Are you bothered that Islamaphobia is condemned

OHHHH, that's your worry! 

Explain that please?   

A Muslim makes anti-Semitic remarks and you are worried about Islamaphobia? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago

I hear ya, but something tells me we won't hear any more about "Islamophobia"

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago

And There It Is: Dem Rep Accuses Steve Scalise Of Islamophobia

Scalise demanded that Omar be removed from the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and that was the response.  The "Muslim Shield" cannot be penetrated.

I knew this would happen, I predicted it, and here it goes - Good luck to you Americans. Boy do I ever feel sorry for you.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago
Now she (and Tlieb) can continue with antisemitic comments to her (their) heart's delight

It should take no less than about a week.

Again, I must say that any Jews who financially support or vote for Democrats are no different in my opinion than the Jews in Germany during the 1930s who did not believe that anything bad would happen to them.  

I really have to wonder about that. How many American Jews have put their liberal beliefs above most things?  (contrary to the stereotype Omar used)

Has everyone ignored how rapidly antisemitism is increasing world-wide including in the USA? 

I am really astonished to see it happening

And by leaving her on the House Foreign Affairs Committee?

Pelosi dosen't dare remove her

Need I even suggest what the result of that will be? 

That's what happens when you have someone like Omar elected to the US House of Representatives (from a district which includes Minneapolis no less !!!)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.3    5 years ago
Has everyone ignored how rapidly antisemitism is increasing world-wide including in the USA? I am really astonished to see it happening

Anti-semitism may be increasing but it is not because of two freshmen US congresswomen. They speak for themselves, not the Democrats in Congress.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago

All your fear mongering aside

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Fact: Jews support Democrats and Dems support Israel

Data show most US Jewish voters just don’t buy scare-tactic claims that the party has turned against Israel

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By Halie Soifer and Ron Klein 23 October 2018, 1:10 pm 21


All eyes are on key constituencies in critical states such as Florida, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey where the Jewish community plays an outsized role. (illustrative via iStock)

In just two weeks, Americans head to the polls in what is predicted to be one of the closest midterm elections in history. Many of the races that will determine which party controls Congress will be decided by an extremely small percentage of the vote. In light of this political reality, all eyes are on key constituencies in critical states such as Florida, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey where the Jewish community plays an outsized role. This is because Jewish voters show up to the polls and have historically identified with Democrats by more than 20 points than the American electorate as a whole.

As some question whether Jews will continue to support Democrats this election cycle, the answer is unequivocally and empirically “yes.”  According to a recent non-partisan national poll of the Jewish electorate , Jews remain overwhelmingly supportive of Democrats and see themselves and the Democratic Party as pro-Israel. Political affiliation among the Jewish electorate continues to be driven by values, and Trump’s lack of a moral compass is driving Jewish voters straight to the polls in November, where they will vote for Democrats.

The silence of Republicans has been deafening in the face of rising anti-Semitism, and they have done nothing to stop neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and white supremacists from running for office as Republicans. Get The Times of Israel's Daily Edition by email and never miss our top stories Free Sign Up

The organization with which we are affiliated, the Jewish Democratic Council of America, has publicly expressed concern about three Democratic candidates’ positions on Israel. At the same time, there are 467 Democratic candidates running for Congress this cycle, substantially all of whom share our support for a strong US-Israel relationship. The notion that a small number of obscure and outlying views on Israel may influence mainstream Democratic positions in Congress or Jewish votes in the midterms is simply false. Support for the US-Israel relationship remains incredibly strong among Democrats, and Israel remains a priority for Jewish voters. But don’t take our word for it.

National polling conducted earlier this month by the Mellman Group – sponsored by the Jewish Electorate Institute, a non-partisan 501(c)(3) organization – found that 74% of Jewish voters will vote for Democratic candidates in the midterms. This is higher than the total number of Jews who identified themselves as Democrats (68%), demonstrating that some support for Democratic candidates from Jewish voters will come from Independents or even Republicans. Moreover, party identification with Democrats is over 20 points higher in the Jewish community than among the American electorate generally. Jewish voters are Democrats, and that’s not changing.

An overwhelming number of Jewish voters said Trump is on the wrong side of almost every issue: 70% or more of Jewish voters disapprove of his handling of anti-Semitism, the Iran nuclear deal, foreign policy, immigration, Supreme Court nominations, gun safety, the environment, and healthcare. Importantly, these are the very issues compelling Jews to vote for Democrats in the midterms. The silence of Republicans has been deafening in the face of rising anti-Semitism, and they have done nothing to stop neo-Nazis, Holocaust deniers, and white supremacists from running for office as Republicans. Moreover, Republicans in Congress have been complicit in enacting policies that have callously shut our borders to those in need, torn children from their parents, and sought to deny access to affordable healthcare.  Republicans will face the consequences of their silence and complicity in November.

The Mellman poll found that Jewish voters prioritize domestic policy issues when determining which candidates to support in November, but are also not compromising on Israel. Of those polled, 92% of Jewish voters consider themselves “pro-Israel” and 84% of Democrats see the party as pro-Israel. Most Jewish voters also disapprove of the way Trump has handled key issues affecting Israel such as withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement, moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, and managing U.S. relations with Palestinians. This data leads to an irrefutable conclusion – Trump’s attempts to pander to Jewish voters on Israel have failed, and will not yield Jewish votes for Republicans in November.

There has been no diminution of support for the US-Israel relationship among Democrats. The Jewish Democratic Council of America is committed to preserving bipartisan support for Israel in Congress because we believe it is in both America’s and Israel’s national security interest, and because it is consistent with American values. We are deeply concerned, however, about ongoing Republican attempts to use Israel as a political wedge issue for their perceived political gain. This poll proves this is a failing proposition and that Jewish voters will reject Republicans and the GOP agenda overwhelmingly in the midterms.

This is not just about partisanship. The Jewish community is a values-driven constituency, this is a values-driven election, and Republicans and President Trump are on the wrong side of history because they have betrayed our values.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @8.4    5 years ago

That was before the mid-terms.  Let's see what's going to happen in the next little while. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.4.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.4    5 years ago

That's old news. Most Jewish voters consider themselves LIBERALS and I expect that will continue no matter what democrats say about them.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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8.5  Studiusbagus  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago
Again, I must say that any Jews who financially support or vote for Democrats are no different in my opinion than the Jews in Germany during the 1930s who did not believe that anything bad would happen to them. 

Yes..please tell us how that differs from BDS?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Studiusbagus @8.5    5 years ago

National Democratic politicians overwhelmingly support US aid to Israel.

I think what most bothers Buzz is that all of them don't hate the Palestinians .

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.5.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @8.5.1    5 years ago

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Buzz of the Orient
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8.5.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @8.5.1    5 years ago

BULLSHIT!!!

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
8.5.4  lib50  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.5.3    5 years ago

What other reason?   Israel is as fallible as any other country when it comes to mistakes.  Criticizing Israel isn't anti Semitism.  There is no reason for those republicans to throw a snit fit and vote against a resolution that condemns it all. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.5.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  lib50 @8.5.4    5 years ago

You're absolutely right in that FAIR criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.  I'm probably the most supportive of Israel member on NT and I have criticized Israel, its government, its leader, its judiciary, the IDF, the settlers and particularly the Haradim over the years on NV and here.  However, criticism that holds Israel to a double standard, or as outlined in the International Holocaust Memorial Alliance (which has been adopted by most civilized countries including the USA) and not being an exception thereto IS antisemitism.  Everyone can see and know what IS antisemitism and what is NOT antisemitism, as it is defined and with definite parameters.  My concern is that there is no universally recognized and adopted definition of Islamophobia and its parameters, so what is and what isn't? 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
8.5.6  lib50  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.5.5    5 years ago

I don't know that everyone in the US knows that, since Trump began his race bashing tirades, anti Semitism has gone up a lot, along with other hate crimes. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.6  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago
'Again, I must say that any Jews who financially support or vote for Democrats are no different in my opinion than the Jews in Germany during the 1930s who did not believe that anything bad would happen to them.  Sheep to slaughter.  So be it. This is just the beginning.'

Boo, Hiss.  That's a deplorable thing to say.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    5 years ago
Again, I must say that any Jews who financially support or vote for Democrats are no different in my opinion than the Jews in Germany during the 1930s who did not believe that anything bad would happen to them.  Sheep to slaughter.  So be it. This is just the beginning. 

Buzz, you really should retract this comment. It is beyond what is acceptable. You have a marked tendency to get carried away.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @8.7    5 years ago

No he shouldn't. I happen to think he is right and I support his right to speak out!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
8.7.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.7.1    5 years ago

I have to admit that John is partially right.  I did get somewhat carried away to imply that ALL Jews who vote for and/or support the Democrats are like the German Jews of the 1930s, when I should have limited it to those who support Bernie Sanders and BDS, J-Street and other Jewish organizations that have written to Pelosi to water down the resolution and provide Omar and Tlieb with shields to enable them to stop any criticism by saying "I'm a Muslim so you're an Islamophobe" as Tlieb has already done. Most Jewish voters identify themselves as liberals and simply are supportive of liberal causes, which are more identified with the Democratic Party than with the Republicans.  However, I would hope that all Jewish voters would at least be concerned about the directions that could now be taken by their favoured party.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.7.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.7.2    5 years ago
Most Jewish voters identify themselves as liberals and simply are supportive of liberal causes, which are more identified with the Democratic Party than with the Republicans. 

Yup, and I don't expect that to change

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
Junior Guide
9  Nowhere Man    5 years ago
The notion that a small number of obscure and outlying views on Israel may influence mainstream Democratic positions in Congress or Jewish votes in the midterms is simply false.

For something claimed prior to the midterms, we are currently finding out just how wrong they were in this prediction afterwards..... those three new members have had a PROFOUND effect on how the party is viewed....

It is now viewed as tolerating bigotry within its ranks openly and the leadership expressing support for it...

I wonder how long the it's going to take for the truth to sink into their heads....

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @9    5 years ago

It's hard to tell how long.  Who knows whether latent anti-Semites are going to wake up from this debacle and start voting for the Dems, or even switch from the Repubs to do so, or on the other hand maybe enough voters will be so sickened by what's being going on that they will prefer to vote Republican.  Only the next election will provide the answer.

 
 

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