Piers, when did Jesus say that?
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Speaking to a British doctor who affirmed that there are only two sexes, Piers Morgan said , “Jesus Christ told you to be tolerant of people as well and you seem to have failed that test.”
With all respect, Piers, could you tell us exactly where Jesus told us to be “tolerant of people”? And would you be kind enough to let us know where you get the idea that Jesus differed with the doctor’s assessment?
Without a doubt, Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as our self.
In fact, He taught us to follow His example of sacrificial love. No follower of Jesus could possibly dispute that.
He taught us to be kind to the unkind, merciful to the merciless, generous to the stingy, and loving to the unlovely.
That is not in dispute.
But was Jesus “tolerant of people”?
If you mean, did He teach that all beliefs were equally valid or that all behaviors were acceptable (as long as they didn’t “hurt” others), the answer is no. He was anything but “tolerant.”
His teaching was totally exclusive (John 14:6) and His standards incredibly high (Luke 14:25-33). If you don’t believe me, just take out your Bible (or get online) and read the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7.
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Or read the Lord’s rebuke of religious hypocrites in Matthew 23. He was hardly “tolerant” of them.
Or check out how He dealt with those would-be followers who made excuses in Luke 9:57-62.
Better yet, let me quote the passage for you in full: “As they were going along the road, someone said to him, ‘I will follow you wherever you go.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.’ To another he said, ‘Follow me.’ But he said, ‘Lord, let me first go and bury my father.’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Leave the dead to bury their own dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.’ Yet another said, ‘I will follow you, Lord, but let me first say farewell to those at my home.’ Jesus said to him, ‘No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.’”
Is this what you would call tolerant?
As for the Lord’s viewpoint on how many sexes there were, Jesus said this when answering a question about divorce: “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate” (Matthew 19:4-6).
So, Jesus quotes Genesis to support the very view that this medical doctor affirms, namely, that God made us male and female. Then Piers Morgan refers to Jesus to rebuke the doctor for believing the very biblical view that Jesus affirmed.
This is similar to a boxer throwing a punch so wildly that he ends up knocking himself out. (For my own interaction with Piers Morgan dealing with Jesus and the Bible, see here .)
But the irony only deepened when Morgan said to the doctor, “You are citing the bible to defend your bigotry. We have all moved on from large swathes of the bible.” [In the article cited, Bible is spelled with a small b. I do not know if this was Morgan’s intent.]
So, not only does Morgan call a medical doctor a bigot for affirming scientific truth. But he then rebukes the doctor for citing the Bible before rebuking him for not following the alleged example of Jesus.
But how does Piers Morgan know who Jesus is? How does he know how Jesus lived? How does He know what Jesus taught? It is through the very Bible that Morgan is so quick to dismiss.
Of course, Morgan would say that we all agree that we are no longer under the Sinai Covenant. That’s why we don’t stone Sabbath breakers or adulterers. And he would be right in making such a statement.
The problem for Morgan is that he does not accept the parts of the Bible that contradict his worldview, even from the lips of Jesus.
That would include Jesus teaching that marriage is the lifelong union of one man and one woman.
Or that all sexual acts outside this male-female marriage union defile us (Matthew 15:17-20; see especially v. 19).
Or that God made human beings male and female. (His teaching about eunuchs reaffirms this as well. See Matthew 19:12-14; He did not consider them to be another sex or gender.)
Piers, how can you refer to Jesus as a model when you reject His words and standards? Which “Jesus” are you referencing?
The truth is that Jesus was infinitely more than “tolerant.” And so, rather than tolerate sinners, He died on the cross for us. That’s who Jesus is. That’s the one we follow and adore.
As for how Jesus would interact with a biological male who identified as a female, He would look into the man’s soul with the perfect love of the Father. And, if the man received that love, Jesus would make him totally whole from the inside out.
That’s what you call transforming love. It is infinitely more valuable than leftist “tolerance.”
May Piers Morgan experience the fullness of that love as well.
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“So, not only does Morgan call a medical doctor a bigot for affirming scientific truth. But he then rebukes the doctor for citing the Bible before rebuking him for not following the alleged example of Jesus.
But how does Piers Morgan know who Jesus is? How does he know how Jesus lived? How does He know what Jesus taught? It is through the very Bible that Morgan is so quick to dismiss.
Of course, Morgan would say that we all agree that we are no longer under the Sinai Covenant. That’s why we don’t stone Sabbath breakers or adulterers. And he would be right in making such a statement.
The problem for Morgan is that he does not accept the parts of the Bible that contradict his worldview, even from the lips of Jesus.
That would include Jesus teaching that marriage is the lifelong union of one man and one woman.
Or that all sexual acts outside this male-female marriage union defile us (Matthew 15:17-20; see especially v. 19).
Or that God made human beings male and female. (His teaching about eunuchs reaffirms this as well. See Matthew 19:12-14; He did not consider them to be another sex or gender.)
Piers, how can you refer to Jesus as a model when you reject His words and standards? Which “Jesus” are you referencing?”
Don't you love it when fakeass small c christian fundies raise their dirty skirts showing the world a syphlitic underbelly of ignorance, intolerance and hate?
"Come out! Come out! Come out wherever you are". Show us what you really are.
Quite the multiples of sweeping generalizations that you have going against us Christians
No there was not...
They are a full frontal assault against an entire subset of the Christian religion. Something that if I’d done to secular progressives a subset of progressives, you’d be throwing a flagging fit over.
The ignorance, intolerance, and hate are what the world shows toward the devout true believers in Him and His teachings. Sadly, the cafeteria Christians who go through the Bible picking and choosing what they will believe and what they reject, calling God a liar in the process of the latter will ultimately side with the world. We see that now already with the revival among true believers on the one hand and the shrinking of the other mainline compromiser groups as many of them outright join the nones.
False grace is less than no grace. Good luck getting to heaven sans grace...
We are saved by Grace through faith. I would never advocate for trying to get to Heaven with out them.
It is works alone that can’t ever get us to Heaven. There is nothing anyone on our own can do to get to Heaven. The use of logic to the exclusion of faith and thus grace is a form of works.
If we're talking about trans people or gender issues, I don't understand why this is a religious issue for anyone. It's a medical, psychological, and social issue. It's got nothing to do with Christianity. I think it's bizarre that religious people keep going to the Bible for an opinion on this topic.
If you think gender fluidity or dysphoria is weird, I get that. If you have a problem using "she" to refer to someone you know is biologically male, I understand that, too. These things might defy common experience or even what we call common sense, in your opinion. I totally understand. But this is an area that scripture just isn't focused on.
To claim that you are getting your guidance from scripture implies that you might be ok with all of this stuff except that something in scripture tells you otherwise. I just don't think that is happening with anyone.
Dammit, I hate it when, on that rare occasion, you post something I agree with.
So do I.
Or read the Lord’s rebuke of religious hypocrites in Matthew 23. He was hardly “tolerant” of them.
I would suggest that those that follow whatever version of the Bible may want to revisit this, better yet have it tattooed on their foreheads, lest they forget.
Those of us who are Protestant Christians have not forgotten any of that. The people who were in charge of the Temple living in Jesus time had strayed far from the original that God gave them and the same applied to the Christian Church at the time of the reformation. Those forms of legalism and works without faith based paths to “heaven” are clearly rejected. What Dr. Brown wrote in his article is correct.
I am selective in how and when I vote my own comments up. I usually only do so after other conservatives have voted them up or for a post in response to a liberals posts who have generally complained about me voting up my own posts.
If you’d read the seed, you’d know that the author referenced that very chapter .
“He taught us to be kind to the unkind, merciful to the merciless, generous to the stingy, and loving to the unlovely.
That is not in dispute.
But was Jesus “tolerant of people”?
If you mean, did He teach that all beliefs were equally valid or that all behaviors were acceptable (as long as they didn’t “hurt” others), the answer is no. He was anything but “tolerant.”
His teaching was totally exclusive (John 14:6) and His standards incredibly high (Luke 14:25-33). If you don’t believe me, just take out your Bible (or get online) and read the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7.
Or read the Lord’s rebuke of religious hypocrites in Matthew 23. He was hardly “tolerant” of them.
Or check out how He dealt with those would-be followers who made excuses in Luke 9:57-62.” See, there it is so don’t try to use it to hit us over the head with.
I do not require a book to instruct me how to lead a moral, tolerant and compassionate life, my parents took care of that segment of my education.
No one can be saved by their parents faith or grace. We are all individually responsible for our own relationship with the higher power in our lives.
This seed was awesome in using the words and actions of our Lord and Savior to refute those on the secular progressive left who reject that God even exists and deny the Bible yet quote their pc approved selective quotes of Him to attack His believers.
If you like those words, here are some more that you apparently are that familiar with (or do you reject them and therefore reject Jesus?):
Matthew 7:
We have forgotten none of that and actually live it through faith in the grace of Jesus in our day to day lives where we live.
In your dreams, maybe.
No dreams. Simply reality.
Fortunately, you do not get to sit in judgement over any other human being.