Democratic Congressman Names and Shames His Own Constituents for Donating to Trump
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U.S. Congressman Joaquin Castro, a Democrat who represents a large portion of San Antonio, published a list of 44 San Antonio residents on Tuesday afternoon in an attempt to shame them and drive away customers from their businesses. Their crime? Donating to the Trump presidential campaign.
“Sad to see so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump — the owner of @BillMillerBarBQ , owner of the @HistoricPearl , realtor Phyllis Browning, etc,” Castro wrote . “Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’”
Joaquin Castro is the twin brother of Julián Castro, the former Obama HUD secretary and San Antonio mayor who is also a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate. Joaquin serves as chairman of his brother’s presidential campaign, which is currently polling at 1.6 percent in the Texas Democratic primary, according to Emerson.
David Rutz of the Washington Free Beacon observes that Joaquin Castro’s “sad to see” comment is a step away from saying it’d “be a shame if something bad happened to your business.’” Other p oliticians, such as Donald Trump himself, have been known to target big businesses, such as Jeff Bezos’s Amazon and the NFL. Castro’s targeting the owners of small businesses and even some retirees seems particularly off-putting.
JOHN MCCORMACK is the Washington correspondent for National Review and a fellow at the National Review Institute.
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Putting people in danger, trying to create fear as a political weapon. The kind of thing done in Cuba or Iran or North Korea.
What a rotten soul!
These are the Democrats now. They can't debate their policies so they try to destroy their competition by any means possible.
Usually these dirty tricks backfire. If I was in San Antonio, I would be having a good BBQ dinner tonight.
What is "sad to see" is he is a Congressional member.
The Governor of Texas responded in the best way possible:
Greg Abbott
A perfect night for @BillMillerBarBQ
Great reply by the governor!
I gave him a thumbs up tweet.
This may work as well as the Chick Fil A boycott did!
Deplorable behavior.
If trump published an enemies list of private citizens with their home addresses at a rally, the media would rightfully lose their mind.
Speaking on "America's Newsroom," Conway scoffed at Castro's defense of the tweet, in which he said the names were already public record.
"It doesn't matter that it's public record. It matters that he's put together some kind of target list and he's trying to make life miserable or worse for law-abiding citizens who are expressing their First Amendment right to put their money where their politics is," she said, calling for Castro to remove the tweet.
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"He's a member of Congress, he has a responsibility and accountability to protect the population, not to try to make them a target." https://www.foxnews.com/media/kellyanne-conway-joaquin-castro-trump-donors
"Cliff Sims worked on Trump's 2016 campaign and then for the White House as a communications aide until May 2018."
"Sims, (said) he was in a private huddle with the president and Keith Schiller, his personal bodyguard and longtime aide. They helped Trump write an enemies list using a Sharpie and White House stationery. "We're going to get rid of all the snakes, even the bottom-feeders," Trump said, according to Sims."
I guess having an actual private enemies list is far better than saying "sad to see" some person or business donated to Trump.
"Democratic Congressman Names and Shames His Own Constituents for Donating to Trump"
But according to David himself.... "He didn't mean for it to be that way".
WTF did he think doing something like that would do (liberals are always looking for anything to shame Trump Supporters
) ?
1.6%??
In a Democratic poll?
LOL!
Even Mexican-Americans don't like him!
"David Rutz of the Washington Free Beacon observes that Joaquin Castro’s “sad to see” comment is a step away from saying it’d “be a shame if something bad happened to your business."
I don't see that. He didn't say that, did he?
He didn't put targets on those folks/businesses.
It's public knowledge and easy to find.
If it's no big deal, why don't you post your private information on this forum?
Why don't you post your private information on this forum?
Because I think it is a big deal.
It's public information and easy to find.
It's all in the presentation .
Why did he do it?
Does anyone remember right after Trump was elected that Chuck Schumer said there were areas where democrats could work with President Trump?
If you can't here:
Schumer had a long relationship with Trump going back to their days in New York when Trump contributed to Schumer. What happened to that idea of working with the President? First the biased media reporters took on the Senate Minority leader & the Spaker:
Eventually, Schumer's home was besieged by intimidating protesters:
That was the end of that!
rule by the mob.
Just yesterday a mob was threatening to kill McConnell outside his home.
I think it should be outlawed. It is not protest. It is intimidation.
But - he's a Repub and that's allowable.
Yeah, when a mob is outside a Senator's house screaming "stab the MFer in the heart" it's not about debate.
Can you imagine if they had small children in the house? They would probably never go out to play and that would be a life long scar.
The double standards are amazing.
Pitiful, isn't it?
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You don't already know ?
It's been on TV for a day or two.
Life isn't all about "The Bachelor or Bachelorette" ya know.
I wouldn't know. I don't watch that garbage.
I believe you.
I looked it up, those who were threatening McConnell, and they're whackjobs, no doubt about it.
They're all around us my friend.
It ain't stopping anytime soon either.
And some wonder why these shooters pop up ?
If it's okay for one, it must be okay to take it to the next extreme. They know someone else will be blamed. It's the mindset these days.
"It's Always "someone else's" or the "Objects" fault".
Left wing whackjobs to be precise.
Then it shouldn't be necessary for someone in government to draw anyone's attention to it. What is the point of drawing such attention unless you want a reaction?
The Democratic Party has always used threats and intimidation since the party was created. Everyone has forgotten that Democrats created the Ku Klux Klan for the purpose of threatening and intimidating people (not just voters).
The Democratic Party hasn't changed its political methods in two hundred years. Today's Democratic Party has only attracted a diversity of bigots into its big tent of hate. And if anyone doesn't like it then obviously they are racists who will be the target of Democratic threats and intimidation. The Democratic Party of Jackson is still the Democratic Party of Jackson after two hundred years.
Really? The Republican party has never done this? I know they have.
Can we try again.
This is why partisan politics stinks. Each side points fingers at each other for the same garbage they have pulled in the past. It's petty and it tears at the fabric of this nation.
And for the record, I don't approve of this, but to make it sound like it's just the Dems that do it, is inaccurate.
Harass & intimidate an individual and or their families? Please give us an example.
I thought the Sarah Sanders restaurant harassment was cute
, but the newest Mitch McConnell home harassment shown on FB, calling for him to be stabbed in the heart, was better. 
Does this ring a bell?
Ask Gabby Gifford how she feels about this.
Is this not intimidation?
They have done it to many.
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” - DJT
How is that not harassing and intimidating Mexican immigrants and their families?
A letter signed by Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) states that “the news of impactful, real progress on turning our nation around was undercut by biased media and hundreds of millions of dollars of anti-Republican propaganda put out by liberal special interests, funded by deep-pocketed far-left billionaires George Soros, Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg.”
How is that not the GOP harassing and intimidating private citizens and their businesses? The constant unfounded accusations against Soros are just one of many attacks on individuals that the Republicans regularly employ.
Be careful Perrie. Palin is currently suing the New York Times for its' false claim that this ad had something to do with Giffords being shot. The Times already formally retracted its statement. I'd avoid having to do the same thing.
There was no connection between the Giffords shooting and this target map (which mimicked a similar ad by the DCCC). To claim one exists is dishonest. the loon who shot her was mad she could't answer his deranged question about grammer at a townhall.
Oh, ya, the old smear of Palin. The outrageous claim that those pin points were actually targets and that Palin was calling for those people to be shot.
It was false then and it's false now. You still haven't shown where Republicans have this wing of thugs that goes out and harasses and intimidates it's opponents.
Did you miss the part where Castro identified them by name and provided their addresses where they could be found?
First of all it has nothing to do with Mexican immigrants. It had to do with the Mexican government and illegal immigrants OR DON"T YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?
You have got to be kidding Vic. What do you think Sarah was doing? Even if she didn't mean to shoot them, she was targeting them in very much the same way.
So what is false?
Yes they have !
And now the "Left" is SCREAMING that these last shootings are because of Trumps rhetoric, but seem to ignore their own ACTUAL ACTIONS have been far worse. It's like it's okay for them to act , but no one is allowed to just speak.
It's like the "Left" doesn't have a clue.
Sorry about the last statement. I really already new "Clue" is just a board game in Liberal World.
At least an "Assault Weapon" wasn't used huh.
Do you wonder how Scalise feels ?
Sean let her sue. Even if she didn't mean to shoot those reps, she was targeting them and their families in much the same way that you all are complaining about now.
And this is the amazing part, where I can come out and say that Castro was wrong, neither you or Vic can say that Sarah was.
Partisan politics at it's best.
It is I that am surprised.
What do you think Sarah was doing?
She was making the peoples elected officials accountable for their votes - in the hopes they be defeated. I have published how legislators have voted right on NT for the very same reason!
Even if she didn't mean to shoot them, she was targeting them in very much the same way.
She wanted them defeated. Because of a symbol used, somehow the left gets to call it an appeal for murder? Just think about that for a minute. It's not like she picked out the symbol or more important, that she ever used that type of rhetoric. If she had said something like I have thought about bombing the white House, then ya, maybe I'd grant you that. I really thought that was debunked long ago. Obama won - can't we finally admit what that was?
So what is false?
Yup, another twisting of the obvious into a call for murder!
You have an excellent point there. I want people to think about that.
'Palin is currently suing the New York Times for its' false claim that this ad had something to do with Giffords being shot'
I guess the pitbull with lipstick is trying to stay relevant. Or she must need money really bad. Pity.
To be defeated in an election - WHICH IS FINE!
You're asking waaaaaay to much of "Some' people.
I think I should return to being CornHusker4Palin after the return of that false narrative about her.
You got that right!
Correct because they are not the same! Palin wanted people defeated in an election. The left wants people silenced!
That's pretty melodramatic. How so?
What did the 'president' mean when he told Beto O'Rourke to 'be quiet'?
I was right ……. On what ?
And you don't think that would cause people to act out in the same way that Castro is doing? Come on Vic.
And Castro wants Trump defeated. He is hitting the big doners. They are both wrong for doing so in this manner.
No more than what Castro is doing. I never said that Sarah wanted them dead, but she wanted them harassed and defeated. It was irresponsible for her to do it just as it is irresponsible of Castro.
And btw.. this goes both ways. How about armed Trump supporters showing up at a reps office? You know we can go on and on showing how partisan hacks do this, or we can say, that both sides are wrong and it should stop.
"Stupid" people should shut their mouths ?
Have you been reading along? McConnell's home was surrounded by threatening thugs. It happened to Chuck Schumer as well, along with many others. Haven't you heard anything about that? Tess? Anything?
What do you think Sarah was trying to do? Not silence them? This is all about intimidation. That is the discussion here. Sarah was trying to intimidate. You can twist this any way you like, but that is plain as the nose on my face.
Republicans may or may not have done so. And?
The Democratic Party has definitely engaged in racial politics using threats and intimidation for the last two hundred years. The Democratic Party really is responsible for creating the Ku Klux Klan. Blaming others won't change the history of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party was established to be the party of slavery and racial division.
Pointing fingers at others won't change the history of the Democratic Party. Tearing down all the statues of southern Democrats may hide the party's past but the stain of history is still there.
The history of the Democratic Party is not partisan. History is history. If that history is unacceptable then why be a Democrat?
Then the 'president' should heed that advice.
Castro isn't making officials accountable for their votes - he is posting the names of people who donate money to the Trump campaign - local people lining in the San Antonio area.
Come on Vic.
Private individuals! Hands off!
And Castro wants Trump defeated. He is hitting the big doners. They are both wrong for doing so in this manner.
No, Castro wants him removed through impeachment and or an election! The "big doners" had their small businesses tossed into the mix. Where is the decency?
but she wanted them harassed
No, she didn't! Where did she call for that?
It was irresponsible for her to do it just as it is irresponsible of Castro.
We all need to see how our elected officials vote. Harry Reid didn't allow votes on budgets for that very reason.
And btw.. this goes both ways. How about armed Trump supporters showing up at a reps office?
Link please?
You know we can go on and on showing how partisan hacks do this, or we can say, that both sides are wrong and it should stop.
NEVER....It is the tactics of the left and only the left.
Do you even know what Beto said ?
Do you even know who Beto is ?
This is okay because it was palin that did it doncha know
Yes, so that people will not patron their business and write. No where is he calling for violence. It is still wrong!
Really? Would you say the same thing about Soros? He is a private individual.
You are conflating the two. This has nothing to do with impeachment. This has to do with donations to the Trump campaign.
Palin’s rhetoric is decidedly militant. “We’ll aim for these races and many others,” she wrote on her Facebook page
PHOENIX — On Thursday, January 25, 2018, several armed Trump supporters, carrying Trump flags, surrounded Arizona state Representative Pamela Hannley and yelled at her about her “protecting illegals” near the state Capitol in Phoenix. Close by, on their way to lunch, were Representative Eric Descheenie (D-Chinle) and Representative Wenona Benally (D-Window Rock). Both are Navajo.
I'm truly sorry that you are blind to the problem. This is a tactic of both parties, no matter how you want to see it.
Of course I know what Beto said.
Of course I know who Beto is.
The 'president' needs to heed his own advice and shut up!
It'll happen. It's even condoned these days without saying it in specific terms.....right ?
First of all, I have said I that I don't think she meant to shoot them. It was still irresponsible for her to use targets in her graphics. It's really easy to take that to mean something else.
The Republican party has never done this? I know they have.
Can you provide some examples?
The lefts use of threats, fear, intimidation are well known and getting worse. It looks like the Republicans are going to have to start doubling down on them.
Care to expand ?
Soros the foreign millionaire who meddles in US elections? Think about what your saying Perrie.
You are conflating the two. This has nothing to do with impeachment. This has to do with donations to the Trump campaign.
It has to do with the nature of Castro who hates Trump and wants him removed anyway possible as do many others.
Palin’s rhetoric is decidedly militant. “We’ll aim for these races and many others,” she wrote on her Facebook page
And you detected a call for violence from that?
On Thursday, January 25, 2018, several armed Trump supporters, carrying Trump flags, surrounded Arizona state Representative Pamela Hannley and yelled at her about her “protecting illegals”
Protecting illegals is illegal!
Did you take it the way some seem to have ?
Does "Mental Illness" come into play if someone does take it as a specific "Kill Area" instead of what it really meant ?
The former El Paso City Council member and congressman held nothing back. He condemned Trump as “a racist” who “stokes racism in this country.” He challenged those who might coddle Trump or make excuses for a president who takes no responsibility for vile words and deeds. O’Rourke refused to go along anymore with the standard candidate-reporter exchanges regarding the man he proposes to challenge. “What do you think? You know the shit he’s been saying. He’s been calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals,” O’Rourke said of Trump. “I don’t know, like, members of the press, what the fuck? Hold on a second. You know, I—it’s these questions that you know the answers to.”
No, Soros is an American. He was born in Hungry but became an American citizen. Try again.
Indeed, much in the same way that Sarah did.
No more than Castro.
That is NOT the issue. They came to her armed. That is menacing and it is not their right. I don't care what the reason is, they had no reason to come there like that. Had they come to protest i would be fine with that, but they came armed and that is just so wrong I have no words for it.
Greg, I did already. Please read through the thread.
Again, already being discussed. You seem to miss the point. You think that making this worse is better? Please rethink that.
Beto sure does have a race baiting potty mouth.
Especially since he's just a 1%'er in the presidential race.
Maybe his race baiting potty mouth will get him another 1% in the race ?
So much for the "Good Ol' Boy" persona vanity fair made him out to be.
Castro is doxxing people. Is that acceptable here on NT? Why are people here defending doxxing?
Yes, Let us get that straight - he holds duel citizenship within the US and Hungary.
Indeed, much in the same way that Sarah did.
I'm sure she didn't want her opponents impeached, imprisoned or murdered! She only wanted them voted out.
No more than Castro.
Then you are being very generous, Did you know he even listed one of his own doners, all to hit Trump!
Nerm,
We are not talking about race politics here. We are talking about intimidation in politics.
The moment anyone declares themself to be loyal to a party.. any party, they are partisan. I am an independent. I hold no such party loyalty, hence my position on this subject.
I think Nerm has raised interesting questions in post # 8.1.47. What do you say on that?
Which still makes him an American citizen, with full voting rights unlike what you implied by saying:
He is allowed to spend his money legally on elections because he is an American. Not that I necessarily support his POV, which I state before that gets twisted into something else.
That is an assumption.
I would only be generous if I agreed with this tactic, which I said from the get-go that I am not. I had 2 points to make here:
And again, as I said from the beginning I do not support what Castro did, but it has been done before by Republicans and so no one can claim the high ground.
Vic,
This has been already established by me where I stand on this. It is up to Nerm to find my posts. I can't speak for others here, so as for this being OK on NT, well this has nothing to do with NT as an entity. It is a discussion forum with different POV's
By your logic our Slovenian first lady should be staying out of politics...
We're not talking about racial politics? Then why is Joaquin Castro quoted as writing “Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’”
Democrats have used racial politics to intimidate people throughout the history of the Democratic Party. The Castro example is all about using race to justify intimidation.
That doesn't change the question. If the history of the Democratic Party is unacceptable then why be a Democrat? For independents that question would become why support Democrats?
The history of the Democratic Party is not partisan; it's historical fact. Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Democrat and the Ku Klux Klan he created were Democrats using threats and intimidation to win elections. George Wallace was a Democrat. Democrats switching targets hasn't changed the nature of racial politics to justify threatening and intimidating people.
Joaquin Castro is being consistent with the two hundred year history of the Democratic Party.
AMEN TO THAT!!
I think the timing is completely reckless. You have a state that is suffering and scared, and one of their Congressional leaders decides to put out a target list.
Nerm,
First of all, the topic is not racism.
Second, the Democratic party is not 200 years old.
It would depend on the Democrat, just as it would depend on the Republican. Independents vote issue and person, not party. Each party has its beauties in the past. So we look forward. Heck, if there was a third party to vote for that was viable, I would vote for them, too, but our 2 party system has made sure that they made it almost impossible to have a third party. So we just chose the lessor of two evils at that time.
Really for us, it is an awful way to vote, but that is the reality of the issue.
And do you realize how inconsistent you are being when you say that the Dems were started by the KKK (it was) and then say Castro a Latino who the KKK would despise, represents what the founding of the party WAS?
Should we also remember that although Lincoln freed the slaves that he was also a racist and was deeply concerned about what to do with all the freed slaves? That he actually didn't believe that whites and blacks were equal. Does that represent the Republican party now?
It's ridiculous to make any comparison back to the founding of these parties.
I'm not agreeing with him Sunshine. I am not sure how many times I have to say that. I am just saying that this has been going on in politics for quite a long time already and we need to not tolerate it any longer.
Partisan politics at it's best.
I'll say. You're clinging to a false narrative that even the New York Times apologized for to create some sort of "both sides do it" narrative which is just false. At this point, connecting the Giffords shooting to Palin is as dishonest as claiming Obama was born in Kenya. It's simply false and perpetuating it, regardless if you fear being sued or not, is simply not honest.
where I can come out and say that Castro was wrong, neither you or Vic can say that Sarah was
I can say Palin was wrong about a whole of things.But I won't say she was wrong about that ad, anymore than I would say the Democrats were wrong for doing the same thing. That's the apples to apples comparison and my position is consistent between both Palin and the Democrats. And neither the Democrats ad nor Palin's remotely equates to a politician publishing the private addresses of private citizens.
The topic is Joaquin Castro using racial politics to justify intimidating people by doxxing them.
Okay. The Democratic Party is 191 years, 6 months, 3 weeks, and 6 days old (as of Aug. 7, 2019). The Democratic Party was founded on January 8, 1828, by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren. Andrew Jackson was the 7th President. Martin Van Buren was the 8th President. All Democratic Presidents elected before the Civil War supported the institution of slavery.
I am saying that Joaquin Castro is engaging in the same type of politics as Democrats did when they created the KKK. The Democratic Party has not changed its use of racial politics. The Democratic Party has only attracted a greater diversity of bigots which, naturally, has altered the specific racial politics being pursued by Democrats to accommodate that diversity.
If Democrats continue to use racial divisions and racial resentments to justify threats and intimidation then the Democratic Party really hasn't changed since its founding. Different bigots, same politics.
Antebellum Democrats invented political correctness by claiming to be arbiters of proper behavior, speech, and social standards involving race and enforced that political correctness by threat and intimidation. The party of Jackson is still the party of Jackson 191 years, 6 months, 3 weeks, and 6 days later.
I didn't think you where.
Nerm,
The democratic party as you are referring to happened in with a split in the 1870's after "Reconstruction". That makes it 149 years old.
And both parties have used racial politics. It does not belong to just the Dems.
No Nerm. Antebellum Democrats were the KKK. Civil rights Dems of the 1960's are the ones you are talking about and I would have to say that threat and intimidation have been used by both parties..
Nerm has yet to be acquainted to the 20th century (let alone the 21st) when it comes to race and politics.
I pointed out to them that since 1930 over 95% of the black members of Congress, House and Senate, have been elected as DEMOCRATS.
That is an inconvenient fact for people like Nerm to deal with.
Sean,
I really don't care about what the NYT apologized for or didn't. Maybe they don't have the stomach to take on Palin, but we all know the expression that a picture is worth a thousand words and no matter what she thought (maybe it catchy o was trying to be humorous) she could have used any other marker than a target to give some lunatic an idea. How we chose to express ourselves does count.
Sean, I have already said it was wrong. But how is that different from say this:
vs Casto's tweet:
I don't see any names or personal addersses. Do you?
But let me make this clear, what I just said is not an endorcement of what Castro did. I am just showing you that it is done all the time.
And ss Newsweek posted:
I think our politicans should all think before they post.
And most of all, before they open their mouths. As the saying goes....."Words do matter." And when words meant to deliberately incite hate and violence that results in the shooting of others, then the person whose mouth they come out of is just as guilty as if they themselves pulled the trigger.
So, "sad to see" is just a step from making threats towards specific people or groups? Well then what would this be called?
“When the owner of Bill Miller BBQ sends his people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people..."
How is that not a direct call for violence against the person/group being mentioned there if "sad to see" is supposedly a near threat?
Nope, there is no relation between the two things. The false outrage based on the perceived insults to the "other" is a form of hate in a class all it's own!
I agree, calling someone or some group "rapists" is a lot worse than saying it's "sad to see" someone donating to Trump. We saw this last week what can happen when the leader of a party gins up such intense fear and hatred of a group of people.
Obama and Hillary are gone now so I think we can heal.
Do you think Trump gins up intense fear and hatred?
No. Do you think calling millions of Americans "clingers" & "deplorables" might be ginning up fear & hatred? Or is it ok if it gets out the minority vote?
I don't think it's ginning up fear and hatred, unless you fear and hate the truth.
Biden’s speech today was full of ginning up fear and hatred of other Americans.
Problem is that it isn't the truth.
Yeah he is good at that.
"They are going to put y'all back in chains!"
We have a president that has used the word "invasion" or "invaders" to refer to hispanics 200 times in his online re-election videos ,
and then someone shoots up a gathering of hispanics in a department store and declares that he did it to stem an invasion of hispanics into America
and we still have people saying "both sides" of politics are an equal problem in America today
it is insanity
Youv'e been stirring the pot since it happened. Haven't enough people died?
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My party never backed a Communist, too bad you can't say the same!
That is awful. Thanks goodness it was just a just a one off.
so you are obsessed with communists. lol
It has gone WAAAAY past ironic--now it is just fucking SAD.
John, it was you who injected Communists
John - Trump hasn't blamed the Hispanics - he is blaming the INVADERS, the ILLEGAL ALIENS, the LAW BREAKERS. What the shooter said can't be tied to anything that Trump said as a serious statement. Trump has NEVER advocated killing the foreign INVADERS, but he has, very openly, advocated their deportation. How the shooter interpreted that is something neither you nor anyone else except the shooter can do accurately.
So, what do you call 11-22 million people here illegally?
Democrats?
I can agree with that.
But it just pisses me off when the first thing out of someone's mouth is calling someone racist or worse because they want SOME type of control over who enters and stays here.
BTW, what do you call 11-22 million here illegally?
And that is it in a nutshell. This should be common sense. But look at this discussion and all you see is finger pointing. That is what is truly disturbing here. If you can't be honest about what the problem is, then the problem will continue.
Professors from MIT and Yale, using more sophisticated methodology, estimated in September 2018 that 22.1 million undocumented aliens are in the U.S. Their estimate is based on operational data such as border apprehensions, deportations, visa overstays and demographic figures, as well as mortality and emigration rates. They evaluated the data with a mathematical model that estimates and tracks population inflows and outflows.
Yet, some of these factors are not wholly reliable. For instance, the professors acknowledged concern about the accuracy of apprehension data: "We don't know the number of people who cross the border successfully — we only know when people get caught trying."
The Border Patrol "estimates" that for each Illegal Alien captured, there are three who have crossed without capture. So, using that thought process, if MIT and Yale "estimate" 22.1 Illegal Aliens, then 3 times that amount would equal 66.3 M Illegal Aliens - and, no, they won't fill out a Census Card either.
I have no problem having logical discussions over how much money and resources should be spent on border control and what other things could be done to reduce the illegal border crossings. The problem isn't in having a debate over more wall, it's the openly racist rhetoric used by the head of one group that demonizes a specific ethnic minority.
If only Trump had said "Most of the illegal immigrants coming here are good people, they are just seeking a better life or safety from dangerous conditions in their own country. Some, I assume, aren't very good people, they're known to bring drugs, some are even rapists, so we need to crack down on any criminal immigrants. But it's important to remember, crossing the border is only a misdemeanor so we can't treat all immigrants, even the undocumented ones, as violent criminals that need to be feared. We just need to do better at preventing illegal border crossings and we can do this with a combination of using better technology, drones, more border wall where it's needed and taking a look at how we might help change the dangerous dynamic in some of the countries these families are fleeing making it less likely they would risk injury or death on a 2,000 miles journey."
That would have sounded Presidential and reasonable, but instead Trump had to rile up his crowd with:
“When Mexico sends it's people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people..." - DJT
I'm not sure how else to take that comment from Trump other than as a racist screed. He smeared an entire nation of people and said "They're rapists", how can that be seen as anything but a false bigoted statement? And since it clearly was a bigoted statement, are we not to call it what it is? Are we to remain silent so as to not rock the boat?
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
- Martin Niemoller
You were never fooled, right?
I don't believe that for a second.
If it was true, then you could have left it at that instead of going off on yet another I Hate Trump rant.
What do you think of seed? You are always quick to judge others opinions but never concise with your own.
And very well said.
Nice response rtb, I hope you share your personal thoughts on each subject more.
There’s nothing racist in that statement from Trump
first of all, Being Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Among Mexican citizens are Blond, blue eyed Spanish descent, Indigenous, French descent, and Black
his statement referred to the known fact that illegals are not the college educated, professional class. The majority lack even a high school education. Furthermore we have the arrest and prison records from California, Arizona, and Texas to prove the high crime rates.
Believe what you want, I stated my position.
Like I said, I have no problem having a reasonable discussion about border security. But I'm not the one calling Mexicans "rapists". When Trump did that he eliminated any possibility for civility, he sabotaged logic and reason in preference of fear and hate, slandering an entire ethnic group of which there are nearly 40 million legal Mexican American citizens. It was disgusting, and to ignore it and say "Ah, that's just Trump, let's get back to a reasonable debate on border security" is impossible.
I could dislike Trump just from his slimy personality, his blatant narcissism, his own words about how he "doesn't even wait" for consent to just start grabbing women he's attracted to, the nearly two dozen accusations of sexual assault, his cheating on all three wives, his paying hundreds of thousands to porn stars to keep them quiet during the campaign, his serial bankruptcies, his disrespect for Gold Star families, his constant lying. But to truly hate the man-shaped pile of feces that is Donald Trump took him embracing white supremacists, calling Nazi's "fine people" while calling Mexicans "rapists". I have no qualms about admitting that to me, Trump is no better than the shooter at Walmart and I feel Trump is equally responsible and if we had a truly just justice system he would share the same fate. I would love to see Trump in an orange jumpsuit shackled hands and feet shuffling to the yard in Guantanamo, it's exactly what he deserves.
Are you really going down that road again? It's the lamest excuse for why Trump calling Mexicans "rapists" isn't racist.
Synonyms for ethnicity:
Race, ethnicity and nationality are often used interchangeably and are seen as synonyms.
What Trump said was racist, pure and simple, regardless of whether Mexican is an ethnicity or a Nationality. He was inciting fear of that nationality, that ethnic group and called them collectively "rapists".
There are many different looking Jews in the world, how would you have reacted if Trump had said:
“When Israel sends it's people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people..."
I think anyone with more than half a brain would have concluded that statement as both anti-Semitic and racist. Why is it somehow "okay" because he was talking about Mexicans?
Except Israel does send its best and they don’t cross illegally into our country
So you're going on record to say no Jewish immigrant has ever smuggled drugs, has ever committed a crime, never raped a single person and have always entered the US legally, none even overstaying a visa? Or do you have some statistics to show an abnormally large number of Mexican immigrants do? The statistics I've seen show that immigrants actually commit less crime than native born Americans.
So if you're trying to use the excuse of "Well, it doesn't apply to anyone but Mexicans!" that actually makes it more racist.
This information is available via public records. Also, he's just being non-pc, which trump approves of.
So what was the need for him to do it?
Freedom of speech.
dumb response
So you don't support freedom of speech, got it, good to know.
CLEARLY not what he stated.
Where do you GET this shit from?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Frost is
Wonder how far he will go?
I get so tired of these intellectually dishonest and lazy attempts at debate.
On the flip side, though, what else can they do?
So you have no problem with a Republican government official releasing your personal information just so some people can come and intimidate and threaten you?
When I am a US Congressman, knock yourself out.
Again, if you donate to a political campaign, it's public knowledge. All he did was post already publicly available information, so why EXACTLY is that a problem?
And no, I would have no problems with my publicly available information being...publicly available because I literally have nothing to hide.
Sure, this information wasn't secret, but you draw people's attention to it for a reason. i.e., you want a reaction. What is that reaction going to be? I think we can safely assume that his intention was that the reaction is negative in some way. Maybe it will be a boycott. Maybe it will be some kind of verbal harassment. Maybe it will be violence. Is there potential positive value in this? I don't see it. Coming from someone in government, this is an attack on the 1st Amendment - in spirit if not in the letter of the law.