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Crime & Punishment for the Deep State

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  5 years ago  •  131 comments


Crime & Punishment for the Deep State
"McCabe claimed he could not recall — despite the reported existence of documents with McCabe’s own signature on them establishing his knowledge of the dossier’s financing and provenance."

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Newly released records obtained via a January 2019 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request provide a list of Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) employees who were referred to the organization’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) for the unauthorized disclosure of sensitive or classified information. It also shows the leniency given to the offenders:

  1. An unidentified employee was fired. The case was closed in July 2016.

  2. An unidentified employee was given a one-day suspension without pay. The case was closed in April 2016.

  3. The following year, an unidentified employee received a five-day suspension without pay, and the case was closed administratively in April 2017.

  4. An SES agent who “misused an FBI database, and provided sensitive information to a former FBI employee” was reported to have had as mitigation that he felt he “had the support of his Division to use his discretion.” OPR proposed a 15-day suspension, but the final decision was to give a letter of censure. This case was closed in June 2017.

  5. An unidentified employee was fired. The case was closed in May 2018.

  6. An unidentified employee was recommended for dismissal but received a 45-day suspension. The case was closed in October 2017.

  7. An unidentified employee was given a 14-day suspension. The case was closed in March 2016.

  8. An unidentified employee, who was cited for misuse of an FBI database and unauthorized disclosure of classified/law-enforcement sensitive/grand jury information, was given a 12-day suspension. The case was closed in January 2016.

  9. An unidentified employee received a letter of censure. The case was closed in August 2016.

  10. An unidentified employee was given a letter of censure. The case was closed in October 2016.

  11. An unidentified employee was accused of “Investigative deficiency – improper handling of documents or property in the care, custody or control of the government; unauthorized disclosure – classified/law enforcement sensitive/grand jury information” and “failure to report – administrative.” It was proposed that they be given a 30-calendar day suspension without pay; the final decision from OPR was that they were given a 10-calendar day suspension without pay. This case was closed in February 2018.

  12. An unidentified employee was fired. This case was closed in October 2017.

  13. An unidentified employee was given a letter of censure. It was proposed that they be fired, but the final decision was a 60-day suspension without pay. The case was closed in January 2019.

    https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-obtains-records-of-14-referrals-of-fbi-employees-for-leaking-sensitive-or-classified-information/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=press_release





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    Leaker & Liar Andrew McCabe


    "On March 14, 2018, the FBI's Office of Professional Responsibility, citing the inspector general's conclusions, recommended that McCabe be fired. Attorney General Sessions announced at 10 p.m. on Friday, March 16, 2018, that he was taking the recommendation and firing McCabe. He cited the inspector general's report, which had not yet been publicly released, saying that "Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor - including under oath - on multiple occasions."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_McCabe#Discussion_of_invoking_25th_amendment_to_remove_Trump





    Lenient treatment for all. BTW, former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe was fired and referred for a criminal investigation, yet to date no prosecution has taken place. I guess the big hint on that was when his Lying under oath (4 times!) was referred to as "being less than candid." James Comey also leaked information and lied. George Papadopolous (the man who was used) supposedly lied about a date and he got jail time. Michael Flynn made some kind of plea bargain where he pled guilty to "making false statements" most likely to protect his son. Yet these monsters who ran the FBI ruthlessly railroaded and intimidated people in order to remove an elected President from office! This is why people like Comey had the unmitigated nerve to do what they did - because they thought they could get away with it and there wouldn't be much consequence if they didn't.

    We need prosecutions. As Jerry Nadler keeps reminding us "nobody is above the law."





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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

To be filed under Intelligence agencies gone rogue

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

What is the 'deep state'?

No one has ever defined it.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 years ago
What is the 'deep state'?

There is only one "deep state" found and this article makes clear that it is the "deep state" of denial many conservatives employ when imagining the supposed machinations of the "establishment". This is pure tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense that they huddle in their hollars clutching their guns and bibles over like frightened little poorly educated mice who are so easily fooled and manipulated by their Republican masters.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 years ago

Really?

Took less than two seconds to find.

The Deep State is believed to be a clandestine network entrenched inside the government, bureaucracy, intelligence agencies, and other governmental entities. The Deep State supposedly controls state policy behind the scenes, while the democratically-elected process and elected officials are merely figureheads.

““Deep State” comes from the Turkish derin devlet , a clandestine network, including military and intelligence officers, along with civilian allies, whose mission was to protect the secular order established, in 1923, by the father figure of post-Ottoman Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.2    5 years ago

Believed to be?

Who comprises the Deep State?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 years ago

Only about a hundred times on here. I think it's kind of obvious, don't you?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.1    5 years ago
This is pure tin foil hat conspiracy nonsense

FALSE:  We already have criminal referrals and we are only at the beginning of 3 investigations and another (the IG's) which is about to release findings within a few weeks.

Are you denying that the Steele Dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants? Or that Comey & McCabe leaked and lied?  Or that, as the AG recently stated there was spying on American citizens?

You are still in denial???

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    5 years ago

What are those criminal referrals?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    5 years ago

It's helpful if you copy and paste what you are referring to.  I have no clue what you're talking about.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.3    5 years ago
Believed to be?

Who comprises the Deep State?

You are so inquisitive, it seems. Do you have any curiosity about the 14 referrals made to the OPR?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.7    5 years ago
It's helpful if you copy and paste what you are referring to. 

I have....Look at the article....Right there....In front of your eyeballs.....see it?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.6    5 years ago
What are those criminal referrals?

I'm only gonna do it once (you should know this) - right from your beloved CNN:

"Washington (CNN)The Justice Department's inspector general referred its findings on former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe to the US attorney's office in Washington for possible criminal charges associated with lying to internal investigators, according to a source familiar with the matter."

"While leaking non-classified information is generally not a crime in itself and the IG's investigation was not a criminal probe, lying to federal investigators is a crime.

"Last week, the IG issued a report finding that McCabe "lacked candor" on four occasions with internal investigators when discussing a Wall Street Journal article about the FBI's Clinton Foundation investigation, according to a copy of the report obtained by CNN."

cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/justice-mccabe-criminal-referral/index.html

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.8    5 years ago

Yet you have never stated who comprises the deep state.

All of those referrals are unidentified.  

So I take it with a grain of salt.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.11    5 years ago
Yet you have never stated who comprises the deep state.

Post 1.1.2 does a fair job. Still can't comprehend?

All of those referrals are unidentified.

Their identities were protected. Are you asking me to believe that you want them identified? I thought unmasking was only for Trump associates?

So I take it with a grain of salt. 

Really?  Just skeptical, huh?  Maybe you liked what they did?  Just a little bit?  Huh?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago
For such a group to function would require that every single member of that group never divulge a scintilla as to their mission, devices, and execution.

There is no doubt about it now....there was a coup to remove this President from office. Sadly for all the deniers, it's all coming out just before an important election.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.1.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.14    5 years ago
There is no doubt about it now....there was a coup to remove this President from office

Total unadulterated bullshit and you know it. The only coup was in Donald Trumps mind and the terrorists in his brain won. The deep state is nothing more than a poor excuse for those trying to protect this inept President from further embarrassment. The deep state is as real as a flat earth, that is to say, ALL evidence is to the contrary, you have provided ZERO evidence of anyone or anything associated with an actual coordinated cabal trying to run the country from the shadows. It's beyond improbable, it's pure fantasy and I feel bad for those so deluded as to believe in it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.15    5 years ago
Total unadulterated bullshit and you know it.

Another factual rebuttal.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.17  JohnRussell  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.15    5 years ago

Seriously, the conspiracy nuts take the normal functioning of the intelligence community and attempt to describe it as a coup against Trump. 

This is SOP for the right wing conspiracy crowd. 

I have seen or heard James Comey speak many times since all this deep state jazz about him surfaced a year or so ago.  I've never seen someone who is supposedly in deep shit with the law look so unconcerned.  He knows it is a lot of bs. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
1.1.18  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    5 years ago

The only thing that is obvious is that it was yet another conspiracy theory by trump. One of at least 22 since he took office. One of my favorites is that windmills cause cancer. There was no proof of any deep state, trump spit out the conspiracy theory and his minions just keep adding to it. It's both sad and stupid. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.18    5 years ago
The only thing that is obvious is that it was yet another conspiracy theory by trump.

Not when there are criminal referrals, leaking & lying, using opposition research for FISA warrants, spying & entrapment of American citizens and investigations which didn't have a criminal predicate!  We are in the midst of a major scandal involving the intelligence agencies. The msm has avoided it like the plague, but it's coming and I have a feeling it might even touch the untouchable.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.17    5 years ago
the conspiracy nuts take the normal functioning of the intelligence community

Don't you even believe in civil liberties?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.21  Greg Jones  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.2    5 years ago

Some love to troll and end up looking stupid and uninformed.

It is obvious that some people from some agencies were in full cahoots with Obama's administration.

But I believe that with the investigations that are underway, some of these bad actors like McCabe and Comey had better lawyer up and be prepared to be intensively grilled.

In an election year, this will be very bad for the Democrats.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.21    5 years ago
It is obvious that some people from some agencies were in full cahoots with Obama's administration.

But, but....Susan Rice said that Obama told them all to do things by the book!!!!!  Yup, he reminded them of that after 8 years of working with them and Ms Rice wrote that little nugget into the minutes of the January 5th meeting, belatedly on inauguration day as Trump took the oath of office.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
1.1.23  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    5 years ago
Another factual rebuttal.

You provided zero facts to rebut.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.1.24  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.23    5 years ago

You saw nothing, huh?

 
 
 
Don Overton
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1.1.25  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.4    5 years ago

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lady in black
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2  lady in black    5 years ago

More conspiracy theories...there is no deep state....tinfoil stock must be on the rise

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @2    5 years ago

Thanks for straightening us out. As a US Attorney goes after these people, I will be right here for more corrections.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  lady in black @2    5 years ago

And there was no collusion or obstruction of justice either.

The investigations are going on even as we debate.

 
 
 
lady in black
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2.2.1  lady in black  replied to  Greg Jones @2.2    5 years ago

Nice deflection jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

Right wing conspiracy nuts see normal functioning of the intelligence community and call it a plot.  This is going nowhere. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago
This is going nowhere.

HAHAA....It goes right to the summit of all your fears!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 years ago

What fears?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 years ago

Andrew McCabe is suing the Trump Justice Dept. 

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Andrew McCabe blames President Trump for firing, sues ...

https:// wtkr.com /2019/08/09/ andrew - mccabe -blames-president- trump -for-firing- sues ...

10 days ago ·   Former acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe is suing the Justice Department   and FBI over his firing last spring and   accusing President Donald Trump   of politically retaliating against him.

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does he sound like someone who is afraid his dark secrets will be found out? 

the conspiracy nuts are prisoners of their own obsessions and tunnel vision

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    5 years ago
does he sound like someone who is afraid his dark secrets will be found out? 

He sounds like someone who is trying to get out in front of something.  John, are you gonna stick your neck out on that lawsuit?  Are you gonna say he was wrongfully terminated?   Here is your chance, John....Time to put it out there.

That lawsuit is what is going nowhere!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    5 years ago

Your constant hyper enthusiasm for this nonsense is a little concerning. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    5 years ago
Your constant hyper enthusiasm for this nonsense is a little concerning. 

Should I be sent to a re-education camp?

Your interpretation is what?  That all those people were fired/suspended because Trump didn't like them?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.5    5 years ago

McCabe was fired because he would not act as a Trump lackey. 

He fired McCabe the day before he would qualify for an FBI pension.  What do YOU think that indicated about whether Trump "liked" him ? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    5 years ago
McCabe was fired because he would not act as a Trump lackey.

What a world you live in.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    5 years ago
McCabe was fired because he would not act as a Trump lackey. 

FALSE.

McCabe was specifically fired because he had a criminal referral from the IG for lying 4 times to investigators. Evidently then AG Sessions preferred to fire McCabe rather than prosecute him as he should have!

He fired McCabe the day before he would qualify for an FBI pension. 

He could have been fired long before that. Some were letting him stay just up to the point for him to get his pension (BTW he still gets some of his pension). Do you think he should have been allowed to stay to get his pension, then resign or get fired and go completely unpunished?  Is that your idea of justice?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.7    5 years ago
McCabe was fired because he would not act as a Trump lackey.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    5 years ago

Spare us the opinion pieces....especially from the New Yorker

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.10    5 years ago

I doubt if you would really want to hear MY opinion Vic. 

I'm not as big fan of conspiracy nuts. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    5 years ago

Iv'e heard your opinion - there is nothing to see here!  It will be harder & harder to defend that.

You also once famously said that you didn't care if the conspiracy charges against Trump were bogus or not, just as long as he was removed. Am I correct?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.12    5 years ago

The Mueller Report stated that Trump and his campaign embraced Russian help in the election. Trump personally dictated the lying response to media questions about the Trump Tower meeting. 

Mueller thinks he should be impeached. 

Trump support by his minions (which scares Congress into inaction) is the only thing that has saved him. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.9    5 years ago

Didn't McCabe also keep notes?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    5 years ago
The Mueller Report stated that Trump and his campaign embraced Russian help in the election.

The Clinton campaign actually paid for it! Why weren't they investigated by Mueller's liberal team of lawyers?


Mueller thinks he should be impeached. 

And where did the senile old man say that?

Trump support by his minions (which scares Congress into inaction) is the only thing that has saved him. 

I want to know what saved McCabe and Comey, thus far?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.14    5 years ago
Didn't McCabe also keep notes?

Your'e not questioning everything now! Please post McCabe's notes.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.1.17  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.15    5 years ago
The Clinton campaign actually paid for it!

So before the election the talking point was, "Don't vote for Hillary!!!!! She will start WWIII with Russia because she hates Putin!!!!!!", to after the election, "Hillary and Putin are friends, she paid him for information on Trump!!!!!!!". 

Seriously, get your talking points straight. Not a big secret that Putin hates Hillary, the chances of him giving up dirt on Trump, (who Putin himself said, "I want Trump to win"), is literally ZERO. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.17    5 years ago
So before the election the talking point was

The only talking point I remember was Hillary will win by a landslide!


Seriously, get your talking points straight. Not a big secret that Putin hates Hillary, the chances of him giving up dirt on Trump, (who Putin himself said, "I want Trump to win"), is literally ZERO. 

Are you saying that Steele actually spoke to people representing Putin?  McCabe couldn't verify that he spoke to a Russian official. Who did Steele speak to?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
3.1.19  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.13    5 years ago

Why has he not been impeached yet?

What are the Dems afraid of.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3.1.20  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.19    5 years ago

Trump supporters will attempt to punish politicians who justifiably move against Trump. 

Why do you think I've been arguing with the moderators about Trump supporters all these months and now years? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.20    5 years ago
Trump supporters will attempt to punish politicians who justifiably move against Trump. 

Do you really expect to cover for these guys with that?   Just admit it, Hillary lost so their asses were left exposed! They kept going and now they are up to their ears in this!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
3.1.22  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.18    5 years ago
Are you saying that Steele actually spoke to people representing Putin?

Political opponents of Putin in Russia are quickly assassinated or jailed. Happens all the time. Nothing happens in Russia with regards to politics without Putin knowing about it. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.16    5 years ago
'Please post McCabe's notes.'

How would I do that?

It would be up to Mr. McCabe to provide his notes in his suit against the 'president's' administration.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1.24  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.17    5 years ago

So you missed where Putin's bot companies organized protests against Trump after he was elected?

Thousands of Americans attended a march last November organized by a Russian group that used social media to interfere in the 2016 election.

The demonstration in New York City, which took place a few days after the election, appears to be the largest and most successful known effort to date pulled off by Russian-linked groups intent on using social media platforms to influence American politics. 

Sixteen thousand Facebook users said that they planned to attend a Trump protest on Nov. 12, 2016, organized by the Facebook page for BlackMattersUS, a Russian-linked group that sought to capitalize on racial tensions between black and white Americans. The event was shared with 61,000 users.

As many as 5,000 to 10,000 protesters actually convened at Manhattan's Union Square. They then marched to Trump Tower, according to media reports at the time. 

The BlackMattersUS-organized rally took advantage of outrage among groups on the left following President Trump’s victory on Nov. 8 to galvanize support for its event. The group’s protest was the fourth consecutive anti-Trump rally in New York following election night, and one of many across the country.   

“Join us in the streets! Stop Trump and his bigoted agenda!” reads the Facebook event page for the rally. “Divided is the reason we just fell. We must unite despite our differences to stop HATE from ruling the land.”

While the focus has been on Russian efforts ahead of the election, the BlackMatters rally days after Trump's victory shows that Russian-linked social media influence efforts continued after the election.

Thousands of Americans attended a march last November organized by a Russian group that used social media to interfere in the 2016 election.

The demonstration in New York City, which took place a few days after the election, appears to be the largest and most successful known effort to date pulled off by Russian-linked groups intent on using social media platforms to influence American politics. 

Sixteen thousand Facebook users said that they planned to attend a Trump protest on Nov. 12, 2016, organized by the Facebook page for BlackMattersUS, a Russian-linked group that sought to capitalize on racial tensions between black and white Americans. The event was shared with 61,000 users.

The BlackMatters organizing group was connected to the Internet Research Agency, a Russian “troll farm” with ties to the Kremlin, according to a recent investigation by the Russian Magazine RBC. Facebook has identified the Internet Research Agency as the group responsible for purchasing 3,000 political ads on Facebook’s platform and operating 470 accounts that appear to have attempted to influence the perspectives of Americans during the 2016 elections.

The real purpose of the bot companies was to sow discord among Americans. Putin didn't care who won between Trump and Hillary; so long as we were at each others throats. Mission accomplished for Putin.

As for talking points- get yours straight. Forgetting these gems from Hillary that would have sparked WWIII?

Hillary never met a military action she didn't like. She spearheaded the Libya push, and thought Obama didn't go far enough in Syria.

President Obama has long ridiculed the idea that the U.S., early in the Syrian civil war, could have shaped the forces fighting the Assad regime, thereby stopping al Qaeda-inspired groups—like the one rampaging across Syria and Iraq today—from seizing control of the rebellion. In  an interview in February , the president told me that “when you have a professional army ... fighting against a farmer, a carpenter, an engineer who started out as protesters and suddenly now see themselves in the midst of a civil conflict—the notion that we could have, in a clean way that didn’t commit U.S. military forces, changed the equation on the ground there was never true.”

Well, his former secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton, isn’t buying it. In an interview with me earlier this week, she used her sharpest language yet to describe the "failure" that resulted from the decision to keep the U.S. on the sidelines during the first phase of the Syrian uprising.

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad—there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle—the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” Clinton said.

As she writes in her memoir of her State Department years,  Hard Choices , she was an inside-the-administration advocate of doing more to help the Syrian rebellion. Now, her supporters argue, her position has been vindicated by recent events.

Professional Clinton-watchers (and there are battalions of them) have told me that it is only a matter of time before she makes a more forceful attempt to highlight her differences with the (unpopular) president she ran against, and then went on to serve. On a number of occasions during my interview with her, I got the sense that this effort is already underway. (And for what it's worth, I also think she may have told me that she’s running for president—see below for her not-entirely-ambiguous nod in that direction.)

As for the Clinton funded political hit piece Steele Dossier. Most of it has been disproven; and what is left can't be proven.  Hillary didn't "pay Putin." Jesus where did that come from?  Hillary paid Fusion GPS. Fusion GPS outsourced to Steele, who was working for the FBI as a paid informant. Steele hated Trump and made a political hit piece. Steele was giving information to the FBI, Fusion GPS, and leaking it to the media. FBI fired Steele for leaking/conflict of interest; but then took it from Fusion GPS directly from Bruce Ohr's wife.   

And now we learn, from testimony that is still being kept secret from the public, that Ohr admitted to Congress last year that he also took Russia information that his wife, Nellie, assembled against Trump on a computer drive and delivered that to the FBI in 2016 — a revelation that has raised fresh concerns in Congress about a possible conflict of interest.

Nellie Ohr worked for Fusion GPS and, for a time, worked on the same Clinton-financed Russian research project as Steele, according to the testimony.

DOJ ethics rules forbid department officials from working in cases where a spouse has a financial interest, a prohibition that Bruce Ohr said he knew about when he forwarded his wife’s evidence to the FBI.

The way Ohr described it, his wife’s research was like an additional dossier assembled from Fusion GPS research to augment what Steele was separately providing the FBI.

“She (Nellie Ohr) provided me with a memory stick that included research she had done for Fusion GPS on various Russian figures,” Ohr told congressional investigators.

“And the reason she provided that information to me is, my understanding was, it related to some of the same — it related to the FBI’s Russia investigation. And she gave me that stick to give to the FBI.”

Ohr’s revelation about his wife adds yet another example of people connected to the Clinton machine flooding the FBI with anti-Trump Russia research during the 2016 election.

If the Steele Dossier was used to get the FISA warrants- then the warrants are illegal. There is an investigation into the FISA warrants going on right now. Will be interesting to find out where it leads.

 
 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3.1.25  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.11    5 years ago
I'm not as big fan of conspiracy nuts. 

OMG Hillaryious. This has to be the funniest comment I've read today.

Thanks for the laugh JR.

 
 
 
Don Overton
Sophomore Quiet
3.1.26  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    5 years ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

I agree John.  It is not going anywhere.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2    5 years ago

Can I assume you are on break?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    5 years ago

What's that supposed to mean?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    5 years ago

Like you, I'm just curious.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    5 years ago

I know what you meant jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.4    5 years ago

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Don Overton
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3.2.6  Don Overton  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    5 years ago

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Greg Jones
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3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 years ago

The intelligence community and the FBI were not functioning normally under the prior criminal administration. These investigations will actually get to the bottom of all the left wing corruption...and insure Trump's reelection.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
3.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    5 years ago
'The intelligence community and the FBI were not functioning normally under the prior criminal administration.'

According to who?  And how so?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

All this seems to be a shock to some.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
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4.1  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    5 years ago

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luther28
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5  luther28    5 years ago

Deep State?

They cannot keep the Ship of State running true, let alone an imagined spin off.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  luther28 @5    5 years ago
let alone an imagined spin off.

Hahaa....Keep your ears covered. It's gonna get worse!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago

'We'll see what happens'

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    5 years ago

So we shall. The IG report will be forthcoming soon.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    5 years ago

Like that report will ever come out.  I won't hold my breath.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    5 years ago
So we shall. The IG report will be forthcoming soon.

We can afford to be patient--after all, isn't that what some were saying about the Great Mueller Report--be patient waiting for it?

LOL!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.3    5 years ago
Like that report will ever come out.

It was delayed because people came forward at the last minute. It should have been done last month. It will be out soon. The US Attorney one is most important. He can go after anyone, i'm pleased to say. That's the one they fear.

I won't hold my breath.  

Try

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2  MrFrost  replied to  luther28 @5    5 years ago
Deep State?

Every time trump spits out a conspiracy theory, the nutters spin themselves into knots trying to make it true. I was on fox news yesterday reading comments and there are still people out there that believe that Obama wasn't born in the USA. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @5.2    5 years ago
Every time trump spits out a conspiracy theory, the nutters spin themselves into knots trying to make it true.

Those pesky little things called facts!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    5 years ago

When has the 'president' or his supporters ever uttered anything resembling a fact?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.2    5 years ago

How about the ones presented right here in the article?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.3    5 years ago

Judicial watch is a highly questionable source.  They're known for promoting conspiracy theories.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    5 years ago
Judicial watch is a highly questionable source

Oh, there you go again.  You always end up in the same place.

JW is allowed here as a lead in and that is just the way Iv'e used it.  What is really questionable is the rating service we are using.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
5.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.5    5 years ago
JW is allowed here as a lead in and that is just the way Iv'e used it. 

Doesn't change the fact that they openly promote right wing conspiracy theories which honestly, are a dime a dozen. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.6    5 years ago
'Doesn't change the fact that they openly promote right wing conspiracy theories which honestly, are a dime a dozen.'

Indeed!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.5    5 years ago

Judicial Watch is on the MBFC shit list.   My understanding has been that such links cannot be used in the body of an article, seeded or original. Perrie should clarify. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.5    5 years ago

when they can't debate the facts, they run to mommy.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.8    5 years ago

Many things are on the MBFC hit list that don't belong there.

It is a joke--like the SPLC.

It is just that some don't recognize it yet.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.8    5 years ago
Judicial Watch is on the MBFC shit list.   My understanding has been that such links cannot be used in the body of an article, seeded or original. Perrie should clarify. 

She has. It can be used as a lead up. BTW there is nothing wrong with Judicial Watch. They simply obtain information via FOIA requests. The problem is with MBFC. I have discussed it with Perrie and she is open to replacing it. The problem is there is no other rating service and MBFC is extremely left wing. I think we are better off with nothing. We should be totally free to use sources. We shouldn't be banning sources for no reason other than some people can't contest the facts contained therein. And that is what is happening.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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5.2.12  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.11    5 years ago
We shouldn't be banning sources for no reason other than some people can't contest the facts contained therein. And that is what is happening.

Exactly. Everyone knows but the snowflakes never admit it that Obama bowed before the Saudi king. Try finding it on CBS,NBC,CNN,MSNBC......

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @5.2.12    5 years ago

There are lots of stories they don't cover!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @5.2    5 years ago
the nutters spin themselves

Nutters? Like those folks who believe that Fox is banned?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

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The Bogus Story That Launched a ‘Collusion’ Probe

That happens to be part 4 of the installments I have left for the group.

 
 
 
Don Overton
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6.1  Don Overton  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Yeah, but I will bet that every single one of the rapists stayed in Mexico because the left has repeatedly told us that Trump was wrong about some of the folks coming from Mexico being rapists!







In fact, the problem is infinitely worse than the article reveals. For example,   of 61,529 criminal cases initiated by federal prosecutors in 2013, 24,746 fully 40 percent of the total originated in five border jurisdictions   in Arizona, New Mexico, Southern California, West Texas and South Texas. Almost all were   committed by illegals .

The Government Accountability Office (GAO) in its 2011 report,   Criminal Alien Statistics , included a review of 249,000 criminal aliens. They were arrested a total of 1.7 million times, an average of about seven arrests per alien. Among them they committed 2.9 million crimes. Roughly 50 percent were arrested at least once for either assault, homicide, robbery, sex crimes or kidnapping. Here are the eye-popping stats:

  • Homicide: 25,064 (8% of total)
  • Sex Offenses: 69,929 (12%)
  • Assault: 213,047 (35%)
  • Kidnapping: 14,788 (4%)
 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    5 years ago

Man, what with all of them coming here for jobs to support their families, where did they find the time to commit so many offenses?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    5 years ago

It's a good question. I still can't figure out why so much of the population is afraid to admit who they will vote for. We read of polls where the President can't defeat the likes of Joe Biden or Liz Warren. Then we see the President fill up arenas with thousands of people, sometimes despite the risk of bodily harm. It's amazing isn't it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    5 years ago
We read of polls where the President can't defeat the likes of Joe Biden or Liz Warren.

It is deja vu!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.2    5 years ago
It is deja vu!

To quote Brad Gurdlinger - "Bingo!"


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