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The Number Of New Yorkers Leaving City More Than Doubles In One Year

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  5 years ago  •  147 comments


The Number Of New Yorkers Leaving City More Than Doubles In One Year
New York leads all other cities with the largest loss in population with 277 people moving every day. A year ago, it was 132. Los Angeles and Chicago follow New York as net losers with 201 and 161 residents, respectively.

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While New York Mayor de Blasio has pledged to “ tax the hell out of the rich”   and claimed unprecedented successes in the city, the number of New Yorkers leaving the city continues to rise. Indeed, the   number has more than doubled in the last year . However, at the same time, the number international migrants to the city has risen sharply.

New York leads all other cities with the largest loss in population with 277 people moving every day. A year ago, it was 132. Los Angeles and Chicago follow New York as net losers with 201 and 161 residents, respectively.

However, during the same period, almost 100,000 net international migrants settled during the same period.

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De Blasio is facing the loss of wealthy citizens who are going to lower tax states like Florida.  Now that New Yorkers cannot write off their higher taxes on their federal forms , many are fleeing. The loss of these top earners can be devastating. The top 1 percent pays for nearly half of the income tax revenue in New York City. A family of four in New York earning $175,000 will pay 25 percent of their income in New York in taxes as compared to 14 percent for the same family in Florida. His promises to “tax the hell out of the rich” will not help retain those who have thus far stayed behind.



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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

For those who want to continue defending the indefensible.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

There is no defense for New York or California.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

Vic,

I don't like our mayor, but the very article you posted is the major reason that there is a huge problem in metro area (including out of NYC) and that would be Trump's property tax cap, which was messed up. He will have to return here one day.. I am wondering how he will deal with that mess.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2    5 years ago
and that would be Trump's property tax cap, which was messed up.

Please tell me why it's messed up? Why should people in Ohio and Indiana compensate for the exorbitant spending of NYC?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    5 years ago
Please tell me why it's messed up? Why should people in Ohio and Indiana compensate for the exorbitant spending of NYC?

How are they paying for spending? The cap on property tax has no net effect on those states or on NY spending. What it did was punish NY'ers for their school taxes and actually hurt all those high earners that you are talking about and drove down property values hence the sudden decline in home sales.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
1.2.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.2    5 years ago

Every state has to raise taxes on it's citizens to pay for it's spending:

"Capping the state and local tax deduction to $10,000 was one of the ways Congress tried to offset the cost of lowering federal income tax rates. The cap, combined with new limits on the mortgage interest deduction, is expected to generate an additional $668 billion for the federal government over the next 10 years, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. Although Republican and Democratic lawmakers in states with higher taxes fought unsuccessfully against the cap, the policy is generally seen as disproportionately impacting liberal-leaning states."



I call it fairness.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    5 years ago

Just curious here.

Did the property tax cap NOT apply to farmers or ranchers who may have thousands and thousands of acres?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.3    5 years ago
The cap, combined with new limits on the mortgage interest deduction,

And if that is where it stopped we would not be having this discussion But out state's tax structure is different. The biggest part of our property taxes is spent on our schools. Had they broke out the first part (mortgage and state tax) from the local taxes i would have no issue. But they didn't do that. So really we are being punished for wanting good schools. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.7  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2    5 years ago
I don't like our mayor, but the very article you posted is the major reason that there is a huge problem in metro area (including out of NYC) and that would be Trump's property tax cap, which was messed up. He will have to return here one day.. I am wondering how he will deal with that mess.

Why was the cap on the SALT deduction messed up?  The cap applied to all states; the cap seemed like an equitable change to the tax code.

All states and cities are confronted with providing services and infrastructure.  New York City is not unique in that respect.

If the Federal government imposed a wealth tax, as Democrats are proposing, would that make NYC any more affordable?  States with lower taxes than New York would still be more attractive.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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1.2.8  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.6    5 years ago
The biggest part of our property taxes is spent on our schools.

Thats true in most states.  

Problem with NY is, last i checked, you spent double the national average per student but don't get nearly double the best end results.   In fact, based on the rating below, NY state is only 22nd best.

Something is seriously wrong there and it's not the property tax write off limit.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.8    5 years ago
The biggest part of our property taxes is spent on our schools. Thats true in most states.  

No it isn't. Most states have are centralized and money is distributed to the schools by the state. 

I don't know why I bother with these discussions. Everyone has made up their minds and so this is a total waste of time. But I will try one last time. 

We buy into our school districts. The better the district the more taxes generally. 

The reason we are 22 (hardly bad) is because that is the states average with takes in account both great districts and bad ones, and then the are averaged. Since we are decentralized (as opposed to say California) there is huge variations on both property taxes and quality of schools. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
1.2.10  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.9    5 years ago

Okay, i didn't know that but no need to get pissy about it.   I've never claimed to know everything here.   Isn't that what sites like this are supposed to be for?   Learning new things?

So your school taxes (property or otherwise) stay 100% in your district?  

I would really like that.   We'd be money ahead but in Michigan that would crush many other low revenue schools.   My district is allotted less than collected, about 11k per student.   The rest goes to pay for under funded school.   The top one in our state has like six students and they pay over 65k per for them.

That money has to come from somewhere.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.10    5 years ago
Okay, i didn't know that but no need to get pissy about it.   I've never claimed to know everything here.   Isn't that what sites like this are supposed to be for?   Learning new things?

Sorry Sparty. I didn't mean to let my frustration out on you, but please try to see it from my perspective. I am getting it from several other people and I feel a bit picked upon. 

So your school taxes (property or otherwise) stay 100% in your district?  

Yes.They only go to fund the schools. 

I would really like that.   We'd be money ahead but in Michigan that would crush many other low revenue schools.   My district is allotted less than collected, about 11k per student.   The rest goes to pay for under funded school.   The top one in our state has like six students and they pay over 65k per for them.

There is a small portion that the state gives to our schools that comes from out lottery (and probably our state taxes), but you are correct that the wealthier districts get better schools. That is what I mean we buy into our neighborhoods. In NY, we buy our homes based on how well the schools perform and part of that is also what the school taxes are. For the most part the best funded schools (school tax) are the best performing. But that is why there is such a huge variation in our schools, from terrible to better than prep schools. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1.2.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.7    5 years ago
Why was the cap on the SALT deduction messed up?

Because NYS has a unique tax structure. We pay an additional school tax that varies from town to town.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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1.2.13  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.9    5 years ago
I don't know why I bother with these discussions.

Because we love you. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lady in black
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1.2.14  lady in black  replied to  Sparty On @1.2.8    5 years ago

I live in Western New York in a suburb of Buffalo.  I pay school taxes (for my district that funds only my district) and I pay county taxes.  My taxes are roughly $3,000 a yr.

If you leave in a village you pay an additional tax which is village tax.  

There are many, many school districts.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.16  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.12    5 years ago
Because NYS has a unique tax structure. We pay an additional school tax that varies from town to town.

The Federal government has no control over how state and local governments structure their taxes.  How New York has structured its taxes is New York's business.

By the same token state and local governments have no control over how the Federal government structures its taxes.  There can't be different Federal tax codes to accommodate every state's tax structure. 

Changes in the Federal tax code affect individuals, as well as state and local governments, differently.  The Federal tax code cannot provide everyone preferential treatment. 

Consider that the changes in the Federal tax code aren't messed up; New York's tax structure is what is messed up.  The SALT deduction cap has been equitably applied to all states.  Why should New York receive preferential treatment because of how the state has structured its taxes?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
1.2.17  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.11    5 years ago
but you are correct that the wealthier districts get better schools.

No worries Perrie .... we good.

That's amazing to me.   Especially in a liberal state like NY.

I would love that.    It's the fairest way to do it imo but i'd have a better chance of a Capuchin monkey flying out of my butt than that happening in Michigan.  

Honestly, that blows my mind that it's that way in NY.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
1.2.18  Sparty On  replied to  lady in black @1.2.14    5 years ago

Then you good.   The write off limit doesn't hurt you.

We have just under 600 school districts here in Michigan.   Student funding ranges from over 65k per student down to about 8k.

Title one comes into play for lower income "disadvantaged" school districts.   Thats Federal funding and makes up much of the difference for the higher funded school districts

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  XXJefferson51    5 years ago

“One of the aspects of the new federal tax plan that made sense to me was the elimination of much of the deduction for state and local taxes. While the move cost those of us in higher tax states, it finally forced states to stop using the federal tax laws to effectively subsidize its high tax policies. Now that bill has come due in New York where taxpayers will no longer be able to write off their high state taxes. The result is not only a shortfall of $2.8 billion but droves of wealthy taxpayers leaving the state.

There has long been a valid concern over states like New York approving higher and higher taxes while assuring voters that they will not really pay the full cost since they can write it off on their federal tax bill. Taxpayers have complained that they are effectively subsidizing taxpayers in states like New York and California even though they often make considerably less.  I have come to support the approach for a different reason. It forces local politicians to bear the true costs of tax hikes since they can no longer dismiss objections by saying that their increases will simply be recovered as a deduction on federal taxes.” https://jonathanturley.org/2019/02/05/a-bill-comes-due-new-york-faces-massive-tax-shortfall-with-elimination-of-federal-deduction/

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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3  Dean Moriarty    5 years ago

Unfortunately many of them are now moving into my neck of the woods in Colorado. The population explosion has adversely affected the quality of life with traffic jams, pollution, long lift lines and worst of all they bring their leftist political views with them. My purple state has turned blue. I’m thinking about moving to Utah, Wyoming, Montana or Alaska to get away from them. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    5 years ago
and worst of all they bring their leftist political views with them.

You think they would have learned their lesson.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1    5 years ago

What lesson?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    5 years ago

Electing the same politicians who are offering sugar cookies

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.2    5 years ago

Vic, 

Of our last 3 mayor only De Blasio has been a liberal. Giuliani was a Republican and Bloomberg was an Independent. Both were tough on crime and quality of life issues in the city. Neither of them promised "sugar cookies". De Blasio is a twit and I look forward to him going. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.3    5 years ago
De Blasio is a twit and I look forward to him going. 

That won't be an easy task. He was voted in, not once but twice! What does that tell you?  In the country I grew up in he never would have been elected...ANYWHERE!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.4    5 years ago
That won't be an easy task. He was voted in, not once but twice! What does that tell you?  In the country I grew up in he never would have been elected...ANYWHERE!

We have term limits in NYC, so he's out at the end of this term, and sadly, he ran virtually unopposed. 

You grew up in Boston, and it had its fair share of issues, too. 

And bottom line, NYC is still the safest city in the US, even with this ass. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.6  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    5 years ago

High taxes, big spending, overregulation...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.5    5 years ago
sadly, he ran virtually unopposed. 

Why was that?

You grew up in Boston, and it had its fair share of issues, too. 

Also a liberal city, but with a difference. Clean and safe. That being said, I would have felt more comfortable in NYC. My life would have been different, I'm sure.

And bottom line, NYC is still the safest city in the US, even with this ass. 

I'll say it again, you are not going to get what you once got from your 45,000 - 35,000 member police force. They are simply not going to risk their lives to be treated as an enemy.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    5 years ago
Also a liberal city, but with a difference. Clean and safe. That being said, I would have felt more comfortable in NYC. My life would have been different, I'm sure.

NYC is clean and safe. I've been to Boston many times and there is no difference in quality of life. 

I'll say it again, you are not going to get what you once got from your 45,000 - 35,000 member police force. They are simply not going to risk their lives to be treated as an enemy.

Strange, because the numbers speak for themselves. We are among the safest big cities in the US along with Boston

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dean Moriarty @3    5 years ago
worst of all they bring their leftist political views with them. My purple state has turned blue. I’m thinking about moving to Utah, Wyoming, Montana or Alaska to get away from them. 

You better run. It sounds like a contagion. LOL.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
3.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2.1    5 years ago

Sorry you feel that way, being a ex Long Islander. I happen to like my quality of life here. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4  pat wilson    5 years ago

This is great, the big cities are too crowded as it is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @4    5 years ago

Are you a city dweller?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.2  KDMichigan  replied to  pat wilson @4    5 years ago
This is great, the big cities are too crowded as it is.

So they can move to rural land further enhancing climate change? 

I for one am tired of liberals moving into rural areas. They destroy whole Eco systems building subdivisions in the country then have the audacity to sit on their high horse and tell you everything you do is wrong.

They need to stay in their shitholes and make them better.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2    5 years ago

Northern Virginia and Montgomery County MD come to mind. The taxpayers have been so generous.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2    5 years ago
They need to stay in their shitholes and make them better.

Well, that was a totally obnoxious remark with zero value. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4.2.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.1    5 years ago
The taxpayers have been so generous.

I'm pretty sure the liberals living there pay taxes, too jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.2    5 years ago
Well, that was a totally obnoxious remark with zero value. 

How would you describe the south Bronx or Bedford Park or Brownsville?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.3    5 years ago
I'm pretty sure the liberals living there pay taxes, too

That isn't really saying much when federal employees are paid so well. Those area's were the main beneficiaries of the Obama recovery.

Here, before I'm accused of generalizing:

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.5    5 years ago

Do they pay taxes, or not, Vic?

Are the homes they're buying or building exempt from property tax?

No.

Their incomes?

No.

Do they shop at local businesses?

Yes.

Are all federal employees liberals?

No.

Do you begrudge the conservatives their incomes?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.6    5 years ago
Are all federal employees liberals? No.

Some are simply democrats. Would you say the majority of federal workers vote democrat?  Honest answer.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.4    5 years ago
How would you describe the south Bronx or Bedford Park or Brownsville?

Funny you should talk about those areas. I actually worked in Brownsville. When was the last time you were there? It's genrefying as we speak.  So has the south Bronx. Bedford Park's real estate has taken a sudden jump in value. I think you might have been in the city in the 80's last. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4.2.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.7    5 years ago

Do they pay their taxes, Vic?

You're implying that the areas in which they live are subsidizing them.  They're not.  They're paying taxes, same as any conservatives who live there.  If you're complaining that federal workers (and apparently only the liberal federal workers) are getting paid well, then you're going to have to acknowledge that they're probably paying fairly high taxes - higher income taxes, and they probably buy more expensive properties.

So who's subsidizing whom?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.8    5 years ago
When was the last time you were there?

The last time I was in NYC, I took the wrong road leaving Belmont Park and ended up in a place with signs saying Canarsie this or that. I don't know what kind of neighborhood that was, but I kept saying to myself "people actually live here!" Brownsville - Iv'e never been, but Iv'e heard about it from, believe it or not, former NYC detectives. I assume it is still a young tough of a neighborhood.

It's genrefying as we speak. 

Nice to hear, but I wouldn't declare victory just yet.

 I think you might have been in the city in the 80's last. 

2013 was my last visit.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.9    5 years ago
You're implying that the areas in which they live are subsidizing them. 

Then you misunderstood. I was simply stating that Trump's tax fix was the correct one. We need not subsidize places that impose high taxes on their residents. You say they pay their taxes - I say good, let them pay all of their taxes.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2    5 years ago

Actually the big cities do far more damage to the environment than exurbs and suburbs do.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.13  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.2    5 years ago

I thought it was right on. It describes parts of my state perfectly.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4.2.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.11    5 years ago
The taxpayers have been so generous.

This doesn't imply that liberals in rural areas are being subsidized?

If you say so.

I have to wonder what farmers (generally conservative) think of that tax "fix".  Property tax can be a bitch if you own a lot of acreage.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.15  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.11    5 years ago

Exactly...Even better is the cap on mortgage interest deduction.  Now homeowners in the California cities who artificially drive up their own home values by freezing others out with NIMBY zoning laws creating artificial scarcity and driving the young and working class out of their neighborhoods can pay for making theirs homes as valuable as mansions most anywhere else.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.14    5 years ago
This doesn't imply that liberals in rural areas are being subsidized?

No. They are simply overpaid.

I have to wonder what farmers (generally conservative) think of that tax "fix". 

They will let you know in the next election.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.17  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.14    5 years ago

We are talking about the home alone, not the value of the ranch or farm around it or for city dwellers the business or shop below it.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.15    5 years ago

CA dosen't want you, they want the foreign born, which represents one quarter of CA's population. They tend to vote democrat!

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.2.19  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.2    5 years ago
Well, that was a totally obnoxious remark with zero value.

Your comment maybe.

So you think urban flight is beneficial to the environment.

Do you deny that rural subdivisions destroy eco systems?

 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.2.20  KDMichigan  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.12    5 years ago
Actually the big cities do far more damage to the environment than exurbs and suburbs do.  

Turning 80 acres of woods into a suburb is not beneficial to the environment I don't care how you slice it. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2.19    5 years ago
So you think urban flight is beneficial to the environment.

Yes I do. But that was started by taxing us to death.

Do you deny that rural subdivisions destroy eco systems?

No I don't. But that was not what your comment was about. Here let me remind you. 

I for one am tired of liberals moving into rural areas.

But you would be fine if they were conservatives? See for you the issue is that they are liberals, not just people. 

They destroy whole Eco systems building subdivisions in the country then have the audacity to sit on their high horse and tell you everything you do is wrong.

That is your perception of things. What you're really saying, is that they move into traditionally conservative areas and then turn them purple or even blue. That is your main concern, not the subdivisions. You wouldn't complain if they were conservatives. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.22  XXJefferson51  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2.19    5 years ago

For both of you, consider this rather lengthy article on the very issue of urban density and suburbs and their impact on the environment. https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/6774/the-density-delusion

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.10    5 years ago

Vic, I don't know what you are talking about, but Belmont and the area around the park is very nice and so is Canarsie. 

Brownsville the townhouses are now going for over a million, so I would say they well on their way. 

I have been to where you are from and there are nice areas and not so nice areas. But unlike you, I am not being so judgy about it. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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4.2.24  KDMichigan  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.21    5 years ago
You wouldn't complain if they were conservatives. 

Wow thanks for telling me what I think.

So stating that Democrats live mostly in cities is untrue?

I have seen people move next to farms then take the farmers to court because they emit bad odors, or make to much noise or use to much water. 

We just had a guy that bought some land next to a campground and built a house then took them to court because of the campfire smoke. Now I have seen his comments on a local community page and I would bet 100 dollars he is a Democrat.

No I don't. But that was not what your comment was about. Here let me remind you.

That is exactly what my comment was about, let me remind you,

I for one am tired of liberals moving into rural areas. They destroy whole Eco systems building subdivisions in the country then have the audacity to sit on their high horse and tell you everything you do is wrong.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.2.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  KDMichigan @4.2.24    5 years ago
You wouldn't complain if they were conservatives. 
Wow thanks for telling me what I think.

I based my comment on yours:

I for one am tired of liberals moving into rural areas.
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So stating that Democrats live mostly in cities is untrue?

No, but you never said that until now.

I have seen people move next to farms then take the farmers to court because they emit bad odors, or make to much noise or use to much water.  We just had a guy that bought some land next to a campground and built a house then took them to court because of the campfire smoke. Now I have seen his comments on a local community page and I would bet 100 dollars he is a Democrat.

Why would you jump to that conclusion? AH's come in all political types. I live by 2 farms, and no one behaves that way. 

I for one am tired of liberals moving into rural areas. They destroy whole Eco systems building subdivisions in the country then have the audacity to sit on their high horse and tell you everything you do is wrong.

And the mere fact that you have "liberals" so stereotyped that they get on their high horses tells me that you have your own bias. I know loads of people across the political spectrum that get on their high horses. I don't tend to make such generalities. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.2.26  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.18    5 years ago

If they don’t want us they can cut ties with us and let Jefferson have statehood.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
4.2.27  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.2.14    5 years ago

BTW, your'e still dodging my question - do you think most federal workers vote democrat?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.2.28  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.2.27    5 years ago

Probably.  Not really sure.  But it doesn't really matter, unless we're basing the tax code on political affiliation.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @4    5 years ago

That’s why suburbs and better yet exurbs are so much better places to live. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
4.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.3    5 years ago
That’s why suburbs and better yet exurbs are so much better places to live. 

That is a preference.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
4.3.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.3.1    5 years ago

It is.  I’ve been to the Bay Area many times in my life and I couldn’t stand to live in any of its core cities. I wouldn’t mind an Eastern or northern or southern suburb or city around Sacramento but the commute  there is bad if you have to work in the city. I much prefer what I described elsewhere here regarding my exurb/small city surrounded by rural with big cities a safe 2.5 hour or more drive away.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5  Krishna    5 years ago

New Yorkers are leaving in droves to flee the massive gun violence in the city...(and also fleeing NY strict antigun laws).

(In fact many are moving to Texas where recently passed gun laws will allow them to defend themselves! :-)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @5    5 years ago

It's gonna get worse - The thin blue line is gone!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Krishna @5    5 years ago
New Yorkers are leaving in droves to flee the massive gun violence in the city...(and also fleeing NY strict antigun laws).

NY has the lowest gun violence of any city per capita. 

148 gun deaths in a city of 8 million. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    5 years ago

I really admire your NYC pride, but things are reverting back to pre-Giuliani days:

"Violent crimes continue to increase in 2019 in some parts of New York. Despite a massive reduction in crime since 1990, murders and rapes have been on the rise in some parts of New York in the last two years."




"Murder rates in   New York City   are up 55 percent in 2019 compared to the same time frame in 2018, according to NYPD statistics.

From the start of 2019 through Sunday, there have been 48 murders in New York City, compared to 31 in the same seven-week time frame in 2018, the   New York Daily News reported."




Don't look now but your Police force isn't going to risk their lives without the support of the mayor.



 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
5.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2    5 years ago

NY has the lowest gun violence of any city per capita. 

Aw c'mon Perrie-- he's already made up his mind. 

Don't confuse him with actual facts!!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    5 years ago

Vic,

The Daily News is really down on our Mayor so I am not sure where they got their stats. The FBI stats are not even in for last year and the local stats say we that violent crime is down:

Our police are still doing their job.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Krishna @5.2.2    5 years ago

You know what bothers me, is that it's just not true. I call them as I see them and although I don't like our Mayor, the city is still the safest city in the US. 

The real reason people are moving is over property taxes that have been inflicted upon us by Trump. The joke here is he better not be returning to Trump Towers, because he will be paying a ton more for his pad. He'll probably reverse the cap before he leaves office.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.3    5 years ago
The Daily News is really down on our Mayor

And amazingly the Daily News is described as "LEFT-CENTER BIAS These media sources have a slight to moderate liberal bias" by MBFC. I happen to trust the Daily News, until I see a lot of false statements, I have to believe those stats.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.6  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.4    5 years ago

Trump has nothing to to with property taxes.  Also as to the cap on mortgage deductions and SALT’s, congress wrote those into the tax reform and jobs act bill.  The President simply signed the bill, which likely negatively impacted him personally.  That speaks positively to his character.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.7  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.5    5 years ago

Not left enough!!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.5    5 years ago

Because no one likes our Mayor. The information is still not right or verified.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.6    5 years ago

It was part of Trump's tax bill. And it is not the cap on mortgage deductions that is hurting NY, it is the cap on property taxes that is. I would know. I am an accountant. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.2.10  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.8    5 years ago
Because no one likes our Mayor.

Somebody likes him - he got elected twice. What kind of people would do that?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.10    5 years ago

There was no viable alternative running. Nicole Malliotakis who ran against him was only an state assembly person, and in experienced, so he won be default. 

Only 18% of New Yorkers voted. That says a lot there.

What kind of people would do that?

Why do you have to take this down to such a personal level? I guess people who liked the guy, which doesn't make them horrible people, which is what I think you are implying. I live on Long Island now, so it sure wasn't me. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.9    5 years ago

If you all had a proposition 13 which is Californication’s one redeeming grace left, the cap on local taxes wouldn’t be so hard to live with.  We in more rural areas of California vote ourselves additional property taxes for education as well.  We have them (the additional ones) as dedicated to specific goals and projects for specific schools and borrow them as bonds to be paid back with the specified tax revenue so that the state can’t steal them for general education spending in the heavily populated inner urban areas. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.13  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.12    5 years ago

Again the question remains...Why should the citizens of the 40-45 states that don’t have ultra artificially high property values and or sky high state and local taxes have to send our federal income taxes to subsidize the high rates of the 5 or a few more that do?  Especially since those states used to openly sell their high taxes and the goodies they bring to their constituents as being masked when they get their federal tax return?  Enough congresspersons and senators from the other states finally said enough is enough.  As a Californian from a lower living expense part of the state with sane housing costs we feel their pain in the Bay Area and LA area...jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.13    5 years ago

Obviously you don't understand what is going on, tax wise. Our taxes are for local school taxes. So what you are doing, is punishing people who care about their kids education. Have you ever wondered why NY has so many schools in the top 100 schools in the nation? It's because we pay for them with property taxes. So actually you are stealing from us. Our opting into our school taxes is being used against us. If we all opted out of our schools and had crappy schools, you wouldn't get that money. See how that works?

btw, this does not apply to CA. California pays for their schools not by local taxation but by the state. That is why you keep going on about SALT. For NY, our state taxes are the least of our problems. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.15  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.13    5 years ago

Interesting also to note that as the left complains all the time about the top one percent and their supposedly not paying their fair share of taxes, the first thing they did in the house was try to pass a repeal on a tax change that the top one percent pays over 90% of the revenues collected and the top 10% pays virtually all of it. The rich paid to reduce the “cost” of the tax reform and jobs act from 1.5 trillion to 1.1 trillion.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.15    5 years ago

That is not the discussion here.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.2.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    5 years ago
So what you are doing, is punishing people who care about their kids education

Actually, you've been freeloading by shirking your duties to the Federal government by keeping more money local. If you believe paying high property taxes locally results in better schools, that's a choice for you to make at the ballot box. But local taxes should be totally separate from your federal obligation.  It's simply unfair for some to be able to avoid their federal obligations to benefit locally. 

So actually you are stealing from us.

If you believe all taxation is stealing, then I guess that's true. Somehow I doubt you are making that argument. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.18  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    5 years ago

We are stealing nothing unless you can find in the federal law, constitution, or IRS code where the federal government has to give any income tax deduction at all for any other taxes to any other entity.  There is none.  The federal government chose to do so.  Then state and local governments started gaming the system and milking it for all that it was worth knowing that suckers in other states would pay for much of it while receiving none of the benefits.  The other states said enough and the congress agreed making everyone’s deductions for mortgage interest and SALT’s the same for everyone in every state.  If New Yorkers want to pay high taxes and receive high benefits, that’s their business but they can pay for it all by themselves.  Why should someone in West Virginia have to pay their federal tax dollars for your local school.  To most of America the evening out to a universal flat rate for those particular deductions was the best part of that bill and thank God, that part doesn’t sunset if the rest does.   

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.19  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.16    5 years ago

Of course it is.  Democrats in their first act tried to repeal those caps you complain about.  I dressed it in other words but that was the subject here. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.20  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.17    5 years ago

In reality before the caps they were stealing from us. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.21  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    5 years ago

But local taxes and state taxes are completely apart from federal taxes. The feds are under no obligation to "discount" taxes because people pay other taxes.

Actually, I wouldn't be opposed to removing any federal exemptions or credits for local and state taxes paid.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.22  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    5 years ago

Actually the state general budget and a portion of local property taxes which except for specific bond indebtedness feed it as well as general local property taxes not taken by the state combine to fund our schools. And we have some very fine public and public charter schools in our state, particularly in the conservative enclaves that remain.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.18    5 years ago
 If New Yorkers want to pay high taxes and receive high benefits, that’s their business but they can pay for it all by themselves.

OK obviously you don't understand taxes or tax law. I tried to explain it to you, but you don't get it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.24  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.14    5 years ago
So what you are doing, is punishing people who care about their kids education.

Do you consider taxes a punishment?

Are the people you are referring to expected to pay any federal taxes

that the rest of us don't?

Do you think places with lower taxes don't care about their kids educations?

So actually you are stealing from us.

Only if one considers taxation stealing.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.21    5 years ago
But local taxes and state taxes are completely apart from federal taxes.

Again, most states pay into a statewide school system. They are not getting punished for doing that. But in NYS, we pay school taxes per town and we are getting punished for that. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.27  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.17    5 years ago
Actually, you've been freeloading by shirking your duties to the Federal government by keeping more money local.

No we have not. These are additional taxes paid by just a few other states. Keep watching because Texas has the same tax structure, and as their property values go up, they will feel the pinch, too. You keep talking about SALT. I am not. We are not avoiding Fed taxes, since we are paying the rest of the SALT including the property taxes that have nothing to do with out school taxes. That is why this is an unfair burden to us. You are stealing from us.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.29  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.25    5 years ago

Whether NY does something most states don't isn't the issue.

IMO, the feds shouldn't give any "breaks" based on what people pay in state or local taxes.

They are two separate taxing entities, and the taxes are used for different purposes.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.30  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.2.26    5 years ago
We just need you to pay your fair share.

Listen up, you guys are going next. Then we'll hear about you paying over your fair share. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.32  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.2.28    5 years ago

It's NYS internal tax structure that is being used against us. What don't you guys understand? I realize that I am the only accountant here, but this is not that hard to get. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.33  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    5 years ago

MUVA, this has nada to do with capital gains. What are you talking about? We are not talking about selling property. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.35  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.32    5 years ago
It's NYS internal tax structure that is being used against us

That is completely false. The law doesn't take into account state tax laws for ANY state. Why would federal tax laws be dependent on what NY does?

What don't you guys understand? I realize that I am the only accountant here, but this is not that hard to get.

That is condescending. Do NY residents pay a dime more percentage wise in FEDERAL taxes than other states?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.36  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.23    5 years ago

I understand just fine.  We will have to agree to disagree on who should pay your state and your local taxes for your states schools, your state and local residents  or the rest of us across the country.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.37  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.25    5 years ago

no you are not! The SALT caps all state and local taxes we pay.  It doesn’t matter whether property taxes or income taxes or some combination of both pays for our schools.  We all have state and local governments.  We all have schools we pay for.  The cap on SALT doesn’t discriminate between state sales or income taxes and local property taxes.  We pay the highest state income taxes of any state in part because the state chips in on education costs too.  Either way we are capped.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.38  XXJefferson51  replied to  Release The Kraken @5.2.28    5 years ago

In her case it’s the local government doing the stealing.  The federal government is no longer insuring the locals against that theft.  We the rest of the country are no longer paying that premium. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.40  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.32    5 years ago

It’s not being used against you.  Your legislators and city councils and county boards set it all up expecting to conceal its true cost by using federal tax revenues from everywhere else to pay for much of it for you.  Now that the rest of the country said enough and you feel the true consequences of your governments in action, the choice is to elect Republicans to cut taxes and balance everything out or keep all the high tax services yourselves and pay for them yourselves.  Now that the rest of the country knows that they have been paying their federal taxes to pay for our states extravagances, there’s no going back. Congress could modify the cap to adjust for national cost of living or inflation and I’d support that so long as all states and localities have the same dollar limit cap.  Otherwise I’d favor an expansion of the standard deduction by $3000 across the board and get rid of SALT’ deductions altogether.  That would also help those who don’t itemize as well.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.41  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.30    5 years ago

Where are we going next?  Texas has no state income tax.  They deduct sales tax and likely have more property tax to balance under their cap.  Also congress and or the President could index the cap to inflation like the tax tables are so everyone would get relief from that.  Speaking of which I hope he indexes capital gains to inflation as well.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.43  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.35    5 years ago
What don't you guys understand? I realize that I am the only accountant here, but this is not that hard to get.
That is condescending. Do NY residents pay a dime more percentage wise in FEDERAL taxes than other states?

How is that condescending? I keep trying to explain the difference and you keep going back to the default answer, so my only deduction can be that you don't get what I am explaining. 

And yes NYS pays much more federal taxes since the federal formula is not removing the portion of our taxes that is used for schools. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.44  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.42    5 years ago
Oh, I'm certain President Trump will use one of his Florida properties as his legal residence and tell NYS and NYC to kiss his ass.

If he does that, it would be the height of hypocrisy and a total dirtbag move considering he always loved being a New Yorker.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.2.45  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.44    5 years ago
Oh, I'm certain President Trump will use one of his Florida properties as his legal residence and tell NYS and NYC to kiss his ass.
If he does that, it would be the height of hypocrisy and a total dirtbag move considering he always loved being a New Yorker.

I would assume you'd be thrilled to get rid of him. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.2.46  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.9    5 years ago

And all spending and tax bills originate where?  

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.2.47  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.45    5 years ago

They might be thrilled to get rid of him; but not his tax money.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.50  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.49    5 years ago
Protecting his wealth is a dirtbag move?  Seriously?   What makes NYC so important that it's worth so much of his money?

He made his money here. He does most of his business here. He lives here even now. He made this dumb tax code, he should have to live with what he did.

As to "loving" NYC, I always tell people it's a GREAT place to visit.   But you sure as hell don't want to live there.   It's loud, congested and expensive.

And that is a choice. Everyone likes something else. All the young people I know love living in the city. Me, I like the north shore of LI, LOL. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.51  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.48    5 years ago
YOU VOTED for those school taxes.  NO ONE ELSE.  YOU and your neighbors.  

That is correct.

Why should you deduct what you voted to pay?   Schools are a LOCAL issue.  Who held a gun to your head forcing you to capitulate and surrender to the teachers unions?  Why is that the responsibility of anyone other than you and your neighbors?

Because in most other places in the US, school taxes are not part of the equation. They are paid through the state. I have no issue with paying the property tax, and state taxes that are what the rest of the nation pays for, but our school taxes shouldn't be part of that equation. It is not equitable. 

But, you never mention that the standard deduction was effectively doubled.

Big deal. It didn't even make a dent because of our school taxes. 

And except for ONE LOCALITY nationally, why can't renters deduct the taxes and mortgage interest they pay through their rent? 

A. renters don't pay a mortgage

B. Renters don't pay property tax. The landlord does. The Fed gets its pound of flesh from the owners of the property, which includes school taxes for us in NY.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.52  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.43    5 years ago
How is that condescending?

Really?

I keep trying to explain the difference and you keep going back to the default answer, so my only deduction can be that you don't get what I am explaining.

And others keep trying to explain to you and you keep going back to your default answer, so obviously you aren't getting it either.

Federal taxes shouldn't take into consideration what residents of a state may or may not pay. It is COMPLETELY irrelevant. New York residents are paying the SAME federal taxes the rest of the US pays.

If you are paying more, or your clients are paying more, it most likely is at the STATE level, not the federal level. I know of NO federal tax form that allows any resident of any state to pay more or less based on what state they live in. If you do, you should call your Congressman, because that is illegal.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.53  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.52    5 years ago
If you are paying more, or your clients are paying more, it most likely is at the STATE level, not the federal level. I know of NO federal tax form that allows any resident of any state to pay more or less based on what state they live in. If you do, you should call your Congressman, because that is illegal.

Wrong. They pay their state and regular local taxes without a grudge. What most states don't pay are local school taxes (Texas being the exception by region). Texas pays the 6th highest property taxes in the nation and you are quickly catching up to us. Let's see how you enjoy your local school taxes then.

You might want to check out this table and see that NY actually pays less state tax rate than Texas, but we pay almost the same amount when your school taxes. When you start to go over that 10K cap, I think you'll get what I am talking about.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.54  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.53    5 years ago
You might want to check out this table and see that NY actually pays less state tax rate than Texas, but we pay almost the same amount when your school taxes. When you start to go over that 10K cap, I think you'll get what I am talking about.

I see you simply ignored my point about how the feds aren't "punishing" anyone because the federal law is the SAME for ALL.

And I also stated "Federal taxes shouldn't take into consideration what residents of a state may or may not pay. It is COMPLETELY irrelevant."

peace out.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.55  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.54    5 years ago
I see you simply ignored my point about how the feds aren't "punishing" anyone because the federal law is the SAME for ALL.

No I didn't. What I keep repeating is that the Federal law is not fair because it assumes each state is the same. They are not It is not the same for all because each state has a different tax structure. If we all had the same tax structure then it would be the same for all. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.56  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.55    5 years ago

It IS the same at the federal level. What individual states CHOOSE to is up to them.

Are New Yorkers allowed any exemptions under federal tax codes NOT afforded other states' residents, and are New Yorkers NOT allowed the same dollar deductions as other states?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
5.2.57  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.56    5 years ago
It IS the same at the federal level. What individual states CHOOSE to is up to them.

It is only a choice if the state is given a choice or a chance to change. That was not the case here.

I'm done here. I know when someone is trying to play me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.58  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.57    5 years ago
It is only a choice if the state is given a choice or a chance to change. That was not the case here.

New York MADE their choice. They have any and all chances necessary to change it IF they want. Was the law a surprise to New Yorkers or something? Did New York even make an attempt to change their own tax laws?

Why would any state have any say in deciding federal tax policy other that through their elected reps?

I'm done here. I know when someone is trying to play me.

Perfect. I will assume that "playing you" means disagreeing with you and presenting valid arguments as to WHY I disagree with you.

Have a good night.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
6  livefreeordie    5 years ago

it's beyond me how anyone can live in a city.  They are nothing but concrete jungles of high rises and hoards of people crowded together.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
6.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @6    5 years ago

That is a personal preference. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
6.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    5 years ago

That’s how I framed it

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.1    5 years ago

I’d go crazy in a place like that. I like my neighborhood.  Lots of dead end streets.  I live in the last house at the end of one... good sized to large lots.  Single family housing.  Two nice city parks and a wildlife preserve with riding and walking trails within walking distance as well as the k-5 elementary school, less than 5 min from nearest ambulance, fire, police stations and not a single store within a mile of the house and a couple of bus stops nearby.  The advantages of a small city, rural nearby and only a five minute drive another direction to the indoor mall and adjoining commercial shopping grid next to Interstate 5.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
8  charger 383    5 years ago

Again I say, overpopulation is the problem

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
8.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @8    5 years ago

It isn’t.  See my density delusion seed link here for the evidence.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
8.1.1  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @8.1    5 years ago

Overpopulation makes every problem worse

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
8.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  charger 383 @8.1.1    5 years ago

Indeedy.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  seeder  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

To the voters who voted for the man who once praised Che Guevara and used the NYPD executive protection unit to act as a moving service for his daughter, all I can say is - all the worse to you!

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