Trump Supporters Have ALL The Moral High Ground. Don’t Cede One Inch Of It To The Left.
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Despite the fact that roughly three out of four evangelical Christians support President Donald Trump and most of his policies, the #NeverTrump “right” and the anti-Trump left have somehow managed to fool people into thinking they have at least a solid piece of high ground when it comes to “principles,” “morality” and “values.” I purposefully put those three words in quotes because their mere utterance doesn’t mean the people who pronounce them have an iota of a clue what they really mean. Nevertheless, anti-Trump folks of all political persuations love tossing them around as a way of signaling their “virtue” to the rest of us.
“Muh principles!” bleats the #NeverTrump “Republican,” as if they are some sort of special light shining in a Trumpian-world-gone-mad.
“Muh values!” screeches the open-borders leftist politician, as if letting the entire Third World come to America is the definition of “loving thy neighbor.”
“Muh morality!” shrieks all of them, yet the “New Morality” they espouse has nothing to do with the God of the Bible (its original author) and everything to do with achieving power for the left.
In an age where real virtue is a rarity, yet our leftist would-be rulers love signaling, nay proclaiming theirs from the rooftops, one might be forgiven for being even temporarily fooled by it all. Maybe Nancy Pelosi really IS a good person when she lectures us about border walls being “immoral.” Maybe Saint Pete really does have the hot new take on “values.” Maybe the likes of Joe Walsh, Bill Kristol, George Will, and John Pavlovitz - randomly selected Trump haters all - really DO put the “principles” they supposedly have first, and that’s why they oppose the president at seemingly every turn.
Especially given a leftist-controlled mainstream press all-too-willing to portray the president as a monster and his policies as monstrous, you may be forgiven for thinking all of those things. But the reality, however, is actually the exact opposite of what they would have you believe. In fact, it is Trump’s supporters who truly have every inch of the moral high ground. In fact, it is Trump’s policies that are the very definition of objective principles, morals, and values, even if his presentation at times gives his haters ammunition by seeming to belie that fact.
Consider the three “unalienable rights” the Declaration of Independence acknowledges as having come to humans unconditionally from their Creator - life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness:
Life
It’s a pretty good place to start, especially considering we’re dealing with a literal death cult that relishes the notion of killing as many unborn babies as possible. Start there, and any attempts they make to portray themselves as “good people” fall flat, but there’s oh so much more. Consider communism, you know, the ideology whose adherents gleefully murdered over 100 million people over the last century. Ever hear these would-be paragons of morality condemning communism these days? No? Could that be because they want to give it another try but don’t want to be so obvious about it? Could it be because the socialism they espouse is but a mere step away from the totalitarian kind of communism that slays millions in the name of “equality”?
Every time these jackals politicize mass shootings to call for more gun control, remember that they really don’t care about any of the lives such legislation would save, especially considering they know full well the legislation they espouse wouldn’t actually save any lives. In their unquenchable thirst for control, leftists would happily take away the right to defend oneself against rogue criminals or rogue governments. They cry alligator tears at the deaths of gun victims while ignoring those who successfully defend themselves with guns or the unarmed who die from a senseless home invasion.
And then there’s their relentless calls for unlimited immigration from the Third World, ignoring the plight of the American middle and lower classes, despite the fact that Third Worlders would be better served by helping them there instead of bringing them here. It’s all for power , of course, because they know these folks tend to lean left, but they pretend it’s about “morality.”
Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness
Whether it’s the liberty to defend yourself, make your own decisions, run your business as you see fit, or even keep most of your own earnings, it’s no secret that leftists want to take it all away (except for certain, leftist-approved “liberties” like “changing” sexes and murdering unborn babies, of course). In other words, the liberty issue is a slam dunk for a belief system that generally believes the fundamental concept of individual liberties. Want to keep a rogue government from running roughshod over and even murdering millions of its own citizens? Allow citizens to own guns. And if you have a problem with this, dear Leftist, what are you afraid of?
The liberty to pursue happiness according to one’s own bent, so long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others, is ingrained in our nation’s founding documents, and yet leftists would take all that away if they could.
Bottom line: Those who refuse to support President Trump based on optics alone are completely missing the big picture. Whether you consider some of his tweets and comments “presidential” or not, the policies Trump espouses and helps to implement through executive orders, signed legislation, and appointing judges result in by far the greatest good for the greatest number of people, full stop.
No, there’s no reason why we should ever cede one inch of moral high ground to godless leftists, ever.
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Whether it’s the liberty to defend yourself, make your own decisions, run your business as you see fit, or even keep most of your own earnings, it’s no secret that leftists want to take it all away (except for certain, leftist-approved “liberties” like “changing” sexes and murdering unborn babies, of course). In other words, the liberty issue is a slam dunk for a belief system that generally believes the fundamental concept of individual liberties. Want to keep a rogue government from running roughshod over and even murdering millions of its own citizens? Allow citizens to own guns. And if you have a problem with this, dear Leftist, what are you afraid of?
The liberty to pursue happiness according to one’s own bent, so long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of others, is ingrained in our nation’s founding documents, and yet leftists would take all that away if they could.
Bottom line: Those who refuse to support President Trump based on optics alone are completely missing the big picture. Whether you consider some of his tweets and comments “presidential” or not, the policies Trump espouses and helps to implement through executive orders, signed legislation, and appointing judges result in by far the greatest good for the greatest number of people, full stop. https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/6883/trump-supporters-have-all-the-moral-high-ground-dont-cede-one-inch-of-it-to-the-left
As a supposedly true Christian, how can you possibly support such a totally bald faced lie. It would be one thing to use the words some, most, the majority, etc, than the use the word ALL, or even the insinuating that ALL Trump supporters are moral.
You are presenting a seed that is a full on bald faced lie, and then you have to nerve to call yourself a true Christian.
Plus, Trump is one of the most immoral people, business wise and sexually, there is, and to declare him as being a moral Republican, or anything else for that matter, is in itself immoral.
Your endless proffering of your high Christian morals when you rabidly support this kind of lying garbage is a slap in the face of the one you supposedly hold so high.
If you think your God would praise those who wrote this garbage, then I am glad he is not my God.
What gives you the right to call another persons opinion on political issues and matters a lie. Who put you in judgement over the moral character of individuals who either dare to presume to disagree with you on issues or support this President on the issues. One can support the President on what he promised and what he’s done in office even if we don’t like all he’s said or done before.
What he's done in office is lie constantly, pull racist and misogynistic crap, insult people, and such. People who support such a person would generally be considered to not care about morals or ethics.
The word "lie" has an actual definition, even though your immoral orange idol has tried to change it to pretend a lie is anything he doesn't like. Everyone has the "right" to call out lies - which this seed is. The author of this seed lied. If you post seeds from liars, they will be called out as such.
Because it is my opinion and right to express it the same as YOU do. Don't like it, then don't read my comments. But, as long as you are going to post such lies as YOUR opinion, I will continue to call them out with my own opinion.
The seed is the truth and the opponents of it are the opposite.
Trump can't tell the truth, you consistently defend that, and yet you are here trying to claim a moral high ground. You don't get to use 'alternative facts', otherwise known as LIES, to bolster your arguments without being called out. You support and defend Trump's lies every time, and there is NO moral high ground there. I'd feel sorry for the delusion, but can't, at this point its willful. And if the lies aren't enough to give pause, try ruminating on his lack of humanity and cruelty dealing with other human beings he doesn't care about (anybody not his base).
Trump has NO moral high ground. He lies everyday...how can you defend his everyday lying?
Who was it that told us the President conspired with Russia for almost 3 years?
If you can't read the available information (including Mueller's report), tough shit. Willful obtuseness isn't something I indulge. And fortunately more and more people are taking off the blinders. Trump/Russia was not the best analogy for you.
So freedoms are good, unless they are 'leftist approved'? Murder of children by an AR-15 is collateral damage, but a woman making decisions about HER OWN BODY is not acceptable. Liberty is allowed for conservatives but the rest of us are subject to conservative metrics of what is allowed.
And that bottom line? Supporters of Trump (who want to claim 'moral values' over all) have no problems ditching every one of Jesus's tenets as long as they get tax cuts, judges and executive orders (wait, didn't you conservatives say those are bad very very very recently?). In other words, money and power are more important than any real value. So cut the crap. Trump supporters have NO moral high ground on anything. Its been made perfectly clear Trump is acceptable no matter what he does and how low he goes. And blaming media or anybody but Trump himself is bullshit. Evangelicals and conservatives are now part of Trump's amorality and immorality. Might as well accept it like you do all of Trump's depravity.
No, there’s no reason why we should ever cede one inch of moral high ground to godless leftists, ever. https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/6883/trump-supporters-have-all-the-moral-high-ground-dont-cede-one-inch-of-it-to-the-left
Sure, if you are a tool of the devil. And evangelicals biggest 'enemy'? Not North Korea, not Russia, not Iran, not China. Nope, its democrats or liberals, or as their new buzz word puts it, 'leftists'. And the reason same 'christians' support Trump? Because he is an an asshole street fighter against the left. Conservatives literally support the worst of Trump because they think he is 'giving it to the libs'. How christian. How moral. How righteous. They choose politics over faith. Just freaking OWN IT. Nothing moral about their values.
Why are you providing a link to an article we are already on?
In any case, the right gave up the moral high ground when they voted for trump. Sorry.
We don't need approval from you.
Your opinion is duly noted.
Take it up with the seeder, he is the one trying, (poorly), to make a point.
That it may be, but, if you see trump as "moral", I would argue that you have no clue what, "moral" means.
Why? I know what he is talking about.
Go for it! Argue away!
The article said that Trump supporters have the moral high ground and its right. we do have it.
The article author made the point very well. Enough said.
No, you really don't.
I read the article. It's BS. In no way shape or form does the right have the moral high ground. It's a meme, but it's spot on too...
Like I need your permission. LOL
Well, well, well.
SUCH a compelling argument.
Yes, we do have it.
It's called projection and your anti-Christian poster is proof.
It's spot on vic. Sorry to disappoint you.
If cheating on all of your wives and lying constantly is moral now, then sure, you got it and I will be happily an amoral honest person that doesn't cheat on his wife.
I take it you disagree with the title of this article?
It would seem that some do. I stand by the title and content of the article.
trumps supporters don't have the "moral" high ground...trump is NOT moral.
We have the high ground and we support what Trump has done since becoming President and we intend to re elect him over progressives objects and because of them. He made America great again, MAGA and we are going to Keep America Great! 🇺🇸
Once again, Trump has no morals and America has always been great
If Obama had done even a 1/10th of the shit that trump has done you would have said he was the most amoral person to ever exist. So please, stop.
So it's now moral to cheat on all three of your wives?
No, the left does. FACT.
I find it hilarious that a so-called Christian brags so often about doing things simply because he hopes they piss off progressives.
That ugly cow bitch spread her legs for every Tom, Dick, and Bubba that came along.
Was fucking around while married to one with one of her prior husbands and got knocked up then.
Now there is a true Christian who brags about her devout Christian beliefs. Sounds like Trumps kind of gal.
If you want a country based on Christian values, then quit-yer-bitching every time someone supposedly "breaks" the wall of separation.
That's not what Carter said, I provided the quote for you. But nice to see you are a good Christian.. [eye roll]
Good, good. Who said he did?
Oh, thank you so much! My life is complete now!
I haven't claimed to be a good Christian. Take some meds for that whole eye-rolling thing-it can't be healthy if you are unable to control it.
Why are you so interested in my religion and my life?
Soooooooooo moral. [eye roll]
Morals? I doubt trump can even SPELL it.
Some people can't spell.
Some can't do math.
Some can't comprehend what they read.
Some believe everything on the internet.
A good rule of thumb is to 'never out yourself' unless there is a definite positive probability.
It's also a good rule of thumb to not poke the bear.
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Cop out.
No.
Just what inanity deserves.
Cop out.
Inanity.
Well, it's that or you're trolling.
No, I think he possesses some unique skill--at least he thinks he does.
I was replying to you. Jesus christ dude, do you not know how to follow a thread?
Sure do.
Do you know how to read links and understand information?
'Well, it's that or you're trolling.'
It's the latter. It's always the latter.
Trump supporters on 'a moral high ground'? Of course in certain specifics depending upon the morality and the height of the ground.
After all, few if any of the Trump supporters ever had the fortune, opportunity or happenstance to enjoy liaisons with an adult film star or a Playboy model. I am confident their moral elevations dwell in the much lower regions.
If they really believe that, then they are smokin' some powerful shit... I've smoked some potent green before but I've never been that high.
More likely they're smoking PCP. That tends to alter reality.
A bald-faced lie. The Europeans have an abortion rate that’s 60% of ours. That’s because they provide sex education, family planning, and contraceptives to all their citizens. This is what Planned Parenthood does for 2.8 million poor women. The elimination of PP would result in many more unwanted pregnancies, and estimates run from a low of 300,000 to a high of 600,000 additional abortions each year.
Conservatives would eliminate PP, conservatives allow employers to deny employees contraceptives, and conservatives don’t support universal health care. So, poor parents, and parents looking at special needs kids are forced to make a terrible choice because they can’t afford the care. Everything conservatives do increases the number of abortions.
Liberals, on the other hand, support all the services that would cut our abortion rate nearly in half.
The per capita abortion rate now is the same as it was before Roe v. Wade. So conservative resistance to legal abortion is a spectacular example of specious reasoning. Think about doing something that will actually lower the abortion rate.
This is a stupid statement. The political system is how we solve nationwide problems. Of course it is politicized, that's how we do things. I think it's truly amazing that when liberals say "stop killing our kids", the right is so screwed up that this is seen as a liberal talking point, and not the actionable point it should be.
Give Americans credit for the brilliance we really do possess. In 1970 we had 52,000 auto fatalities, in 2017 we had 37,000 and we now drive three times as many miles. We looked at what we could change about cars, what we could change about people, and we looked at what we could change about the environment. We made big changes in all three areas. We can't even get off the dime on gun control because it's a religious issue on the right. We got to the moon, we can handle this too. Let's try; I'm tired of thoughts and prayers.
Bullshit. Let's look at what happened last a time liberal controlled this situation. Obama was called the "Deporter in Chief" by Hispanics. He deported an average of 383,000 illegals per year. Trump is averaging about 276,000/year. Obama had a two-pronged strategy. 1) Track down and deport all recent arrivals (I.e. seal the borders). 2) Track down and punish/deport criminal illegals (I.e. protect Americans).
Trump has no discernible strategy. 1) We have the wall that every congressional district on the southern border opposes as stupid and ineffective. 2) We have family separation, and kids in cages, great 'strategies'. 3) We have an asylum problem that experts know how to handle: Change the order of processing applicants from first-in-first-out to last-in-first-out -- this eliminates all the ineligible people before inserting them into the US. Hire many more asylum judges. Help the countries from which the asylum seekers are coming. Trump hasn't done the first two, and he denigrates those countries' leaders and cuts off aid, resulting in more people leaving by making the reasons they're leaving worse.
So, the liberal handled it. The conservative made the problem worse, and destroyed the US's reputation as an added bonus.
You have made way too much sense here...
THERE IS NO NEW WALL BEING BUILT.
THEY'E JUST REPLACING/REINFORCING EXISTING FENCING.
When you supply a fact, we'll let you know.
Here you go, the wall is complete now:
How do people with no morals to begin with take the moral high road?
Exactly the problem. Most politicians are immoral. The Democrats problem is that they’ve made immorality at the center of everything they propose
Trump isn't a democrat.
Especially now that they’ve centered their appeal to secularists and criticizing believers.
He was when he was doing stuff that he shouldn’t have.
That’s why democrats never reach the high road.