Warren gets stumped by Colbert when pressed on middle-class tax hikes to fund Medicare-for-all

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  one month ago  •  22 comments

Warren gets stumped by Colbert when pressed on middle-class tax hikes to fund Medicare-for-all
Warren backs Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for All plan, which Sanders estimates will cost $3 trillion to $4 trillion a year, about as much as the entire US budget.

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Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass. , faced an unexpected grilling from "Late Show" host   Stephen Colbert   on whether or not the middle class will face a tax hike to fund Medicare-for-all.

During the interview on Tuesday night, Colbert began the exchange by referring to Medicare-for-all as her "most radical" policy position.


"You keep being asked in the debates how are you going to pay for it, are you going to be raising the middle-class taxes... How are you going to pay for it? Are you going to be raising the middle-class taxes?" Colbert asked.


"So, here's how we're going to do this," Warren responded. "Costs are going to go up for the wealthiest Americans, for big corporations... and hard-working middle-class families are going to see their costs going down."

"But will their taxes go up?" Colbert pressed.

"But, here's the thing," Warren said.

"But, here's the thing," Colbert grinningly interrupted. "I've listened to these answers a few times before and I just want to make a parallel suggestion to you that you might defend the taxes perhaps that you’re not mentioning in your sentence."

He continued by sharing his "parallel suggestion": "Isn’t Medicare-for-all like public school? There might be taxes for it, but you certainly save a lot of money sending your kids to school and do you want to live in a world where your kids aren’t educated? Do you want to live in a world where your fellow citizens are dying, even if it costs a little bit of money?”

"So, I accept your point and I believe in your point," Warren responded. "Health care is a basic human right. We fight for basic human rights, and that’s Medicare-for-all. Everyone gets covered."


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Vic Eldred
1  seeder  Vic Eldred    one month ago

So, here we have Stephen Colbert not really criticizing, but trying to help candidate Warren with the 4 $Trillion answer to the question she keeps dodging. This democratic race is heading for a show down between blue dog democrat Joe Biden and far left radical Liz Warren. The media loves Warren. They see themselves in her. An eastern grown progressive that likes to lecture the common folk like Warren personifies America's far left. Joe Biden, on the other hand, is unlikely to get through a single debate with Donald Trump.

Therefore:

Will she take Colbert's advice and defend "Medicare for all" as worth the cost by admitting that the middle class will have to be taxed?

Or will she keep dodging the question?

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

Common Vic, don't you know this is free medicare for everyone (US citizen or not)?/S

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.2  gooseisgone  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    one month ago

Puppy dogs, unicorns and rainbows that's the Democrat message. Maybe they will change our currency to Bitcoins.

 
 
 
WallyW
2  WallyW    one month ago

If she is the nominee, Trumps reelection is assured.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1  MUVA  replied to  WallyW @2    one month ago

We can only hope she is the nominee the old bitty will be easy to beat.I think she is channeling Kathrine Hepburn. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    one month ago

"Free" everything  will require massive middle class tax hikes. Look at Europe.

 
 
 
squiggy
3.1  squiggy  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one month ago

We can start with $7 gasoline.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  squiggy @3.1    one month ago
We can start with $7 gasoline.

Hell no.   Gas and all other petroleum products will no longer be available and they will destroy the oil industry.

Now, the tax on horse feed is another story!!

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2  MUVA  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    one month ago

Yep that is the one thing most of the democrat candidates leave out when touting Europe everyone pays higher taxes even low earners. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4  It Is ME    one month ago

She should get with Beto. He has the gutz to say what has been said about Democrats for quite some time.

They will always want to "TAKE" from you !

BETO: "Yes we will tax the middle class more" - "Yes we will" !

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5  1stwarrior    one month ago

I really, truly have a serious issue with this "Health care is a basic human right."  Not according to the U.S. Constitution - not according to any "religious" text.  Health care is an individual decision - you wanna stay well, you live well and you'll stay well longer.

Example - 7 folks have died from vapping - individual choice.  53 folks were killed last month by mass shootings by a deranged individual who made his personal choice to cause hate and discontent - their choice.  40,000 people died from OBESITY in 2018 - individual choice for the most part.  So, the "government" is going to regulate/stop vapping because of 7 people dying and 53 people getting killed in mass shootings and they aren't going to do anything about the 40,000 very overweight/obese/fat people who have died due to individual, for the most part, choice???

So, who has the "need" for the basic human right of being able to take care of yourself and make the right decisions on human care?  The government?????

I call BS.  You don't have a "RIGHT" to health care - you have a "RIGHT" to making good decisions - your choice - not the governments.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9949134/jane-moore-obesity-mass-shootings/

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @5    one month ago
I really, truly have a serious issue with this "Health care is a basic human right."  Not according to the U.S. Constitution -

Take it up with the champion of rugged individualism, Ronald Reagan, who passed the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act guaranteeing emergency healthcare for anyone.

53 folks were killed last month by mass shootings by a deranged individual who made his personal choice to cause hate and discontent - their choice.

This sentence implies it was the 53 victim's choice to die? I'm pretty sure you don't mean that.

40,000 people died from OBESITY in 2018 - individual choice for the most part

For the most part I agree.

So, the "government" is going to regulate/stop vapping because of 7 people dying and 53 people getting killed in mass shootings and they aren't going to do anything about the 40,000 very overweight/obese/fat people who have died due to individual, for the most part, choice???

Totally confusing sentence/question.  Yes the President and the Governor of New York want restrictions on vaping, ages & flavors, CBD or THC.

Which has zero to do with no government action about the 53 victims in Texas last month, who as far as I could see, had no choice in their own deaths,

and other than providing common sense advice, those 40,000 have the same right to smoke, drink or eat themselves to death,

many of them at taxpayer expense...and they probably will.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    one month ago
Take it up with the champion of rugged individualism, Ronald Reagan, who passed the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act guaranteeing emergency healthcare for anyone.

Please note the specific word....  EMERGENCY......  he never meant for long term or continuing care....  just enough to keep them breathing and out the door you go.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    one month ago
he never meant for long term or continuing care

but the bottom line is that a couple of generations have grown up thinking that the Emergency Room is just that,

continuing care, funded by the US taxpayers.

Reagan also never envisioned what would happen by repealing President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act.

he was only interested in trying to balance a budget.

That put hundreds of hospitals out of business and let loose upon "us", thousands of critically ill mental health patients.

Since the Public Health system was dismantled by Reagan for budget trimming reasons,

these people are now the bulk of our homeless populations.  Nowhere to go except an emergency room.

just enough to keep them breathing and out the door you go.

Yep.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.2    one month ago
Reagan also never envisioned what would happen by repealing President Carter’s Mental Health Systems Act.

he was only interested in trying to balance a budget.

That put hundreds of hospitals out of business and let loose upon "us", thousands of critically ill mental health patients.

Maybe you should check the others involved with that.  You could start with the ACLU.

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-mental-institutions

And for some old time reading, there's this from the NYT's .  It's 1984 vintage and addresses the APA.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/science/how-release-of-mental-patients-began.html

 
 
 
1stwarrior
5.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @5.1    one month ago

"by a deranged individual who made his personal choice to cause hate and discontent - their choice."

The caveat to the 53 individuals who were killed.  No, not the 53's choice - just the personal, free choice of the idiots pulling the trigger.  That's what needs to be addressed.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5.2  Nerm_L  replied to  1stwarrior @5    one month ago
I really, truly have a serious issue with this "Health care is a basic human right."  Not according to the U.S. Constitution - not according to any "religious" text.  Health care is an individual decision - you wanna stay well, you live well and you'll stay well longer.

Funny thing is that the Constitution established a process for creating laws.  That's why there are three branches of government.  The Constitutional rights were added as a afterthought.

The Constitution doesn't protect the sale of addictive substances or products that cause harm.  And there isn't a Constitutional right to make a profit; in fact the Constitution provides provisions to regulate profit.

The Constitution doesn't even prohibit Socialism.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6  Tacos!    one month ago

What part of "free" don't people understand? Stop trying to peek at that man behind the curtain.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
7  Nerm_L    one month ago

Yeah, refusing to answer the question only means these candidates haven't a clue about what they are proposing.  So, dumb asses are competing with each other to defeat a dumb ass President.  Sure doesn't seem like replacing Trump will actually prevent a dumb ass from being President.

People are paying insurance premiums now.  Medicare for All still means people will still have to pay insurance premiums.  The only difference is that the premium payments will be made to a government Medicare system instead of paying private financial businesses.  Since the payment will be made to the government then it will be called a tax.  But that actually tells us more about how financial businesses selling insurance operate than it tells us about government.  Financial businesses are also collecting 'taxes'; the supply-side pirates are only using a dictionary to hide the facts.

Don't be fooled by the dictionary definition of taxes.  The financial businesses are doing the exact same thing but with more waste, fraud, and abuse.  At least Medicare for All would have some oversight that financial businesses don't; there's a chance of addressing the waste, fraud, and abuse in the health care system.

The biggest problem with any sort of insurance reform is that it applies a financial solution to a cost problem.  Any sort of insurance reform isn't going to address the waste, fraud, and abuse that is driving up medical costs.  So, it's not surprising that dumb ass politicians would propose a dumb ass solution.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
8  XDm9mm    one month ago
"But, here's the thing," Warren said.

'I can't tell you because that would validate the simple fact that I nor any of the others Democrat Presidential Candidates have a fucking clue how to pay for it or any of the other things we're spewing to pander to the dimwits that vote for us.  We've been successfully bullshitting them for decades now, so why change?  Oh yeah, free shit for everyone!!'

 
 
 
Jack_TX
9  Jack_TX    one month ago
"Isn’t Medicare-for-all like public school?

Very much like it.  

and do you want to live in a world where your kids aren’t educated?

Do you want to live in a world where your healthcare is of the same quality as the average public school in America? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
9.1  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @9    one month ago
Do you want to live in a world where your healthcare is of the same quality as the average public school in America? 

For about 10% of the American population that would be a heck of a lot better than they have now.

And of course we would have to argue what the average school is like, because where I live in TX is light years better than where I lived 60 plus years ago.

The issue seems to be, not taking away any one else's Cadillac health plans and forcing them to "step down" to be on Medicaid or Medicare.

 
 
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