Trump Touts Decision To End California’s Ability To Set Its Own Emission Rules
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President Donald Trump announced on Twitter his move to end California’s authority to craft emission regulations that are stricter than federal rules, a move that comes as the president continues roll back Obama-era regulations.
“The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER. This will lead to more production because of this pricing and safety……” the president said in a tweet Wednesday. He went on to say that removing the waiver will make vehicles after and less expensive. The New York Times reported Tuesday that Trump would announce the move Wednesday at the Washington headquarters of the Environmental Protection Agency.
Neither the White House nor the EPA have responded to the Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment. California Attorney General Xavier Becerra, a Democrat who’s been a thorn in Trump’s hide for the first two years of the president’s administration, says the state will continue to fight such moves.
“California will continue its advance toward a cleaner future. We’re prepared to defend the standards that make that promise a reality,” Becerra told reporters Tuesday after The New York Times reported on Trump’s intention.
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Trump’s move comes after months of speculation.
The administration unveiled draft plan in 2018 to roll back the strict federal fuel economy standards put in place by the Obama administration. The draft included a plan to revoke a waiver given to California under the 1970 Clean Air Act, which allows it to set tougher state-level standards.
Former President Barack Obama raised the average fuel economy of automobiles to more than 50 miles per gallon within 10 years. California got permissions from the Obama administration to issue its own, higher emissions standards. They require cars maintain 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025.
The Trump administration, for its part, first proposed in 2018 freezing fuel economy standards at 37 miles per gallon in 2020. The EPA and Department of Transportation estimated that the freeze would save $500 billion in societal costs and prevent around 1,000 traffic fatalities a year.
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This is good news for America as well as for consumers in California. This Californian is pleased with Trumps California visit. All the fund raising, the visit to the beautiful border wall, the effort at dealing with homelessness and housing costs in our cesspool cities, and now the end to the exemption they granted Ca. and are free to withdraw. Real Californians appreciate President Donald Trump.
How quaint, believing a LIAR who is working to destroy the environment, a party that pretends to believe in 'states rights', and a magical fairy that will bring clean air, safer cars and wasted vanity wall money by deregulating all of the above. What kind of fool buys that?
Most of the world, including California, thinks Trump is a deviant lying moron with an ego the size of Jupiter.
Progressives in California hate the truth. What Trump did and said here is all correct and thus why red California will overwhelmingly support him. He is our protection from our state government
It's a deep blue state, it will not be flipped. Deal with it.
Doesn't have to be flipped, just has to be bankrupted. States Rights does not guarantee that the Federal Government will come in and save their sorry asses if they screw up their own economy (and they will).
Oil companies are not incorporated in the State of California. If the Administration requires the oil companies to make only the type of gasoline sold in the other 49 States, Californians won't be driving very long. The oil companies can easily make up for any loss of customers in California by filling in shortages in the rest of the country and from cheaper production costs.
You mean like nearly every deep Red State has already done which is why they top the charts in most dependent States on federal entitlements?
California, on the other hand, has a GDP double that of Russia. In 2018 we hit $3.0 trillion up from the year before of $2.7 trillion.
I know it won’t be flipped next year. That’s not the point. He can use federal power to protect our region of the state from the worst abuses from your coastal urban areas.
I deliberately used the word "guarantee" DP. Just because sometimes they do bail out States, does not mean that they are required to do so. So, can you give me a reason why this administration should be nice to the State of California?
If they're that big and powerful, they obviously don't need the rest of us. Why don't they just secede from the Union? Nobody would make any large complaints if they did. Oh yeah, there's still that aqueduct thing. Wouldn't do so well without water, would they?
If they leave the USA, we in inland California will leave them to stay in the USA. And to remove our necks out from under the thuggery of their Jack boot.
The jack boot reference is yet ANOTHER lame attempt to redefine nationalism and nazis as a 'lefty thing'. No, CHFP, the thuggery and jack boots are coming from the part of the gop that is white supremacists, neo-nazis, and racists. Own it, getting tired of hearing conservatives use that race baiting hate for political purposes then projecting their racism outward. Nationalism is not patriotism and jack booted thuggery? Own that too. How many racists white nationalist terrorists are killing Americans? Plenty to look up there, get busy.
"Why don't they just secede from the Union?"
Even if they didn't and decided to stick it out, you would think with that kind of money along with Federal subsidies that it would be a utopia....... curious huh?
We have no utopia here in California unless we live in exurb, small town, and rural areas far from large coastal urban areas.
Yet another broad sweeping generalization upon sweeping generalization trying to lump in all conservatives with white nationalists, racists, neo Nazis , the KKK, etc. National socialism was anti constitutional, anti representative government, anti capitalism. It and it’s socialism is of the left as is jack booted thuggery. Founding American progressives were steeped in racism.
Trump is just undoing another Obama policy and could care less about whether cars are cheaper or safer.
Wrong. California was allowed this exception by the federal government some 30-40 years ago. Trump is simply and thankfully revoking it. I’m happy.
We'll make sure all the damage to our air and water gets funneled up to jefferson land.
We are the source of much of the water you all use...
HA, I don't think that they understand that most of Southern California has essentially been a desert for the last couple of thousand years. Until the aqueduct system was built in the 1930's, taking Colorado River water from Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico and harming their farming industries, So. Cal. couldn't even provide drinking water for a large population, far less grow any crops.
Maybe the rest of us ought to petition the Federal Government to close that aqueduct system and see how long they last.
The problem is that car companies are not going to make two kinds of cars. If a state like CA raises the standards, then it affects all of the car manufacturing. The good nes is that it's all catching up with California. The President just scored a victory on that ridiculous law demanding he provide 5 years of tax returns in order to be on the ballot. He's winning the war on the tent cities and the wall. Californians will have to suffer a bit longer, but after all they voted for these liberals rats.
The check from Mexico cleared?
Did you write that?
Let the rest suffer some more for a long time to make up for what they have inflicted upon us rural Californians.
When they vote for liberals, they must suffer. More suffering to them.
Exactly. California coastal cities must suffer for their sins. Trump should not try to bail them out, mostly because they would fight him every step of the way.
Wherever you have liberal governance the results are always the same. The only cure is for the people to get all of what they voted for.
The car companies have been making two "kind of cars" for 5 plus decades.
Now it's just a software issue and the major manufacturers have agreed to the higher, CA standards, and are certainly under no obligation to
lower their standards which would waste decades of Research & Development $ for one persons ego.
They realize that if there is a change in Presidential Party in the next year or 6 or 9 that they would just have to likely go back to
conserving the gas & oil that funds their polluting engines.
The die is already cast.
Your partisan assumptions are just that.
Really? I'm certain you can provide us all with unbiased links to prove that claim. Right?
'Now it's just a software issue and the major manufacturers have agreed to the higher, CA standards, and are certainly under no obligation to
lower their standards which would waste decades of Research & Development $ for one persons ego.'
Thank you. It's fucking moronic to think all states will now reverse the higher standards.
What a fuckwad moron we have for a 'president'
Ah...Hail Caesar!
The car companies have been making two "kind of cars" for 5 plus decades.
Really? With emissions differences between CA and the rest of the country?
Link please
Yes, really...
Your personal Vic-mobile, depending on it's age is required to meet the California emission standards.
Again depending on the age of your personal car and where it was originally delivered to a dealership for original sale,
the car will have an emission level tag, usually on the radiator support or underside of the hood, stating whether the vehicle meets
just the Federal standard or both the Federal & California standard. (note many cars are repaired and regardless of Federal law, the emissions tags are missing )
With the introduction of fuel injection, the main physical differences are the catalytic convertors, oxygen sensors and the
engine and transmission control modules.
Bringing an older EPA compliant car into California could result in replacing the cat convertor and upgrading the software.
Same thing for when I lived in Charleston SC and returning service people on PCS would sometimes bring back cars purchased in Europe or South America which had to have Cat Convertors added or trade that car in due to the expense of trying to meet current US emissions standards.
Certain cars and 'off road' Canadian vehicles built prior to 2011 do not meet EPA standards. Post 2012 Canadian emission standards are "harmonized" to the EPA standard only.
All of the Fords, GM products and Jeeps exported to or built for China are for the most part lacking catalytic convertors and sensors associated with emission controls.
So my original statement should have been that the major car manufacturers make at least 2 versions of emission standards
for USA domestic consumption, plus the different emission standards they use for exports globally.
Only 4 car companies have done so. The rest are looking for the feds to prevail in returning us all to one single national standard. Those of us in rural California are openly pulling for the Feds to beat the state on this issue.
While I cannot agree with you speaking for others, I can't imagine why, since the very geography of CA traps most of the smog and dust from the central valleys and affects you as well as everyone else in CA much more than the rest of the country.
I remember driving west from Amarillo on old 66, now 40 and seeing the purple dome of smog marking Los Angeles on the other side of the mountains and the foul discolored air flowing east through the mountain pass near Kingman AZ.
The first time I stopped in Bakersfield it was in November and when I asked someone where the fire was, she just smiled and said it was like that year round. The dust from farm machinery just rises so far and plateaus, the smoke from burning old vines rises a little higher and flattens out clearly visible from anyone driving on 101 which has it's own plume of smog from the thousands of cars and hundreds of big rigs passing by every hour creating haze so thick, that at night that driving the speed limit is not even safe One thinks they are in an unnatural fog bank for hours.
Someone else realized long, long ago that CA emission standards were to save Californians only. Californians need to keep it that way for your own health and those of your loved ones.
Used to be that you could taste bad smog polluted air, just because that's improved by about 75% is no reason to quit improving the air quality.
The nation has functioned just fine under the current system and regardless of what Trump thinks, there is no financial
reward to the manufacturer one way or the other, certainly nothing that will trickle down to the consumer.
The whole affair is a fools errand.
More importantly 23 states and DC have sued to stop the EPA rollback.
Trumps move hurts clean air for Californians first, the rest of us second and the auto industry third.
It serves no purpose.
Get informed.
This summer 17 auto manufactures signed a letter to Trump asking him to re think this change, then 4 cut a deal with CA.
They are not waiting for the Feds to prevail, they are waiting for the Feds to FAIL.
I’m hoping that by next March when I have to smog my car to get new tags that when I get my catalytic converter repaired or replaced and my check engine light to go off that I’ll only have to meet the federal standard for my Sorento.
First of all, determining why the engine light is on will cost you exactly the same, now or then.
If your engine light is flashing, don't drive the car.
Sometimes, actually, many times, the ECU just needs to be reset to kill the light. It's worth the piece of mind to visit Auto Zone or O'Reillys.
As far as the exhaust...
Replacing the CC with the correct rebuilt unit(s) will cost exactly the same, labor wise.
It will have to be replaced with the correct OEM unit because the EPA & CA exhaust systems were deliberately made different to prevent interchanging them, which would not only violate past and current law by possibly increasing some emissions. Performance should be the same because the differences between the 2 convertors are negligible.
Lets say you use an Aftermarket set of replacement convertors; the modifications will require additional labor charges which will most likely eliminate any savings. Believe me, I've been involved with several fiascos like this in CA and PA.
I hope this helps.
I’ve dealt with the other reasons for it to come on and gotten it off. The most recent time it came on the computer diagnosis was for the catalytic converter. I have to smog my car every other year to get tags for it and it’s due for that check near the end of next March. So the light will stay on til then unless it burns out...It has 205,000 miles on it so it’s almost certain that the computer diagnostic is correct.
I can't say for sure or not whether that is triggered by mileage, but I do know for certain that other manufacturers turn the light on at high mileage. In all respects the core is probably shot due to the mileage alone.
Hopefully it passes this time and your good for another 2 years, and all they have to do is reset the light.
Kia's are expected to go at least 200,000 miles but beyond that you are in uncharted territory.
Really?
No acknowledgement that your own state operates by the CA emission standards?
No link to support your claim that the President is winning the war on tent cities and the wall?
Maybe we should ask the seeder to lock this seed?
I intend to get to 300,000 with the 3.5 L V-6. Hopefully the transmission will cooperate as well. Hopefully by then I can get a then used Kia Telluride SX AWD or Hyundai Palisade similar trim for a decent price. Or if I’m totally retired and not an active foster parent I’ll go with a new loaded Kia Niro SUV plugin electric/ gas twin engine vehicle.
No reason why you shouldn't. They have become very good vehicles.
I went 309K withg my '96 4.0 Ranger 4x4 STX...until I rolled it.
Probably the best vehicle I have ever owned.
There is a top 25 list of cars expected to make 300,00 dominated by Toyota/ Lexus, Ford, GM Subaru and Honda.
But when Kia was let out of California in the eary 90's they test marketed the cars as taxis in NYC and racked up 400,000 miles with minimal issues.
My ex girl friend has a 2000 Mercury Mountaineer which shares Ranger and Explorer components and appearance with around 360,000 miles on it. Getting back to Kia, here in Redding, Ca. our Kia dealership is #1 and there are Optima’s and Sorento’s all over the place around here.
It is interesting how processes have improved over time.
The end result is better fit, finish and longevity in many ways.
For example, if we go down to a highly magnified level and compare the finished surfaces of freshly machined cylinder walls from decades past to ones from today, there are stark differences.
If we stop at a point in magnification when the modern cylinder wall surface looks smooth, at that same level of magnification the older type finished surface would look more like 40 grit sand paper.
Correspondingly, the matching piston ring sets are vastly different in size (both radially and height thickness), weight, wall tension....and materials to some extent.
To this day I have the hardest time convincing some folks, the lighter and smaller you go on rings, the longer they last.
In fact, in the old days we used an algorithm to determine an estimated mean piston speed when "ring flutter" would set in for any given high rpm combination. Then fiddle around with bore, stroke, connecting rod lengths to get under that number and still meet the target displacement and rpm.
These days, I can't even find that algorithm as it is simply not needed.
KIA and Hyundai have come a very long way. When I rent a car, they are what I ask for.
And now they have a luxury brand, Genesis to compete with Lexus, Cadillac, Infinity, Lincoln, Acura, BMW, Audi, MB, etc. Many of the sedan, SUV, minivan models that Kia and Hyundai sell here are made in America.
A rear wheel drive "joke" in the industry. Equus/Geneisi sales continue to defy logic for a unique brand/dealership
away from it's Hyundai roots. Selling 6,000 units a year cannot sustain a dealership.
If the Pallisade/Teluride takes off, look for a higher end model to supplement the Genesis line.
One thing Mobis, Kia & Hyundai have evidenced over the years, is patience.
So we will have to see what happens to Genesis in the long run.
in 2016 the platform was marketed as Equus
In 2017 the name was changed to Genesis with a lot of fanfare.
There are three sedans in the Genesis lineup including the original Genesis and Equus. The other is an entry level sedan in the low $30,000 base range. It’s likely a glorified Sonata like Lexus does with the base model and the Camry. I could see a high end Palisade joining as an SUV option soon. My sisters friend bought an Equus fully loaded for $67,000 and any other brand comparable sedan size, performance and features wise was $15,000-20,000 more and theirs has some lifetime maintenance arrangements and the 5 yr 60k bumper to bumper warranty and 10yr 100k on the drive train. She and her husband love it.
That is good for them.
My point was that there were only 350 HY dealers selling Genesis to begin with when HY dropped a performance hammer on them. Don't sell enough Genesis - lose the "franchise". Then they started opening stand alone dealers, often next store to an already performing HY dealership.
They forced their own dealers to chose, yes and build a new showroom, or no and lose the luxury brand altogether.
Now they only have 100 or so stand alone stores, as noted above, which averaged less than 4 sales per MONTH in 2019.
There are other people in the industry here that can assure you that is not a sustainable venture.
2016 models, used are @ 20K not good when you are asking for 70K for a new G90
But like I said, Hyundai is stubborn, we will have to wait and see.
So trump wants more pollution. Got it.
States rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
California was abusing the privilege it had with the 1968 federal granted exception and now needed to have it taken back and away. It will be interesting to see what the rules will be next March when I have to get my car smogged with regard to my catalytic converter.
But states rights.... Least that's what the right wing is always claiming.... Now it's not ok? Care to point out the illegality in what CA is doing? We'll wait... Oh, BTW? List the specific laws they are violating that trump is in opposition of...
Chapter and verse... Go for it...
Pure and utter bullshit.
Even though emissions have improved 99% over the typical 1970 model car and light truck, there is still a dome of polluted air
trapped over Los Angeles, 8 other California cities and the central valleys of CA as evidenced by the haze.
It's like this meme posted yesterday...
It's all relative to the numbers. in 2004 there were 33 million registered vehicles in California.
Over the years, for various reasons, the figure has dropped to 14.8 million vehicles,
still averaging 150g of CO2 per mile every day. It adds up.
The 14.8 million vehicles doesn't look correct SP.
2018 per the CA DMV there are over 36,000,000 registered vehicles in CA.
I figured as much but found several contradictory sources, thanks Kav.