Adam Schiff-Ukraine connection comes under scrutiny

  
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Adam Schiff-Ukraine connection comes under scrutiny
Schiff was asked by anchor Wolf Blitzer, “You want the United States right now to not only provide humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but also start providing serious weapons, right?” He replied: “I do. And I think it's overdue.” In another appearance on CNN in February 2015, Schiff said, “I think that the United States should be very forward-leaning on Ukraine.” According to his online biography, Pasternak was born in the former Soviet Union, started his first company in Ukraine, immigrated to...

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff , who has played a leading role in investigating the  Trump-Ukraine scandal , is facing questions about his own connection to a Soviet-born businessman who has raised money for his campaign and whose company has received lucrative defense contracts from Ukraine's government.

That man is Igor Pasternak, the founder and CEO of Worldwide Aeros Corp., which makes blimps for military and commercial customers. His business has also been involved in weapons manufacturing, working with the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense to produce a modified version of the  M4  and  M16 rifles, according to reports.

In 2013, Pasternak hosted a fundraiser in Washington for Schiff, who later came to embrace a strong stance in support of the United States sending military aid to Ukraine during its conflict with Russia.

“Before this time, Schiff rarely, if ever, mentioned Ukraine,” Fox News’ Laura Ingraham said on her show Thursday night, after detailing  Schiff’s connection to Pasternak.  “But after the fundraiser, he used multiple television appearances to basically demand that we send money and arms to them.”

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff -- who has played a leading role in investigating the Trump-Ukraine scandal -- is facing questions about his own connection to a Soviet-born businessman Igor Pasternak. (Getty, File)


Neither Schiff nor Pasternak returned requests from Fox News for comment on Thursday.

But in a February 2015 appearance on CNN, Schiff was asked by anchor Wolf Blitzer, “You want the United States right now to not only provide humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but also start providing serious weapons, right?”

He replied: “I do. And I think it's overdue.”

In another appearance on CNN in February 2015, Schiff said, “I think that the United States should be very forward-leaning on Ukraine.”

According to his online biography , Pasternak was born in the former Soviet Union, started his first company in Ukraine, immigrated to the United States in 1993 and is now a U.S. citizen. Since that time, Pasternak’s company has been awarded Ukraine defense contracts.

An invitation for the July 18, 2013, fundraiser,  posted online , invited guests to Pasternak’s home on Capitol Hill. “Please join Igor Pasternak for a taste of Ukraine Reception honoring Congressman Adam Schiff,” the invite said.

To attend the fundraisers, sponsors were encouraged to contribute $2,500, and guests were asked to pay $1,000. The invite said checks were payable to “Adam Schiff for Congress.”

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An  online search of donor records  shows that Pasternak has donated money to politicians and organizations of both parties.

Pasternak’s airship company, Worldwide Aeros Corp., is based in Montebello, Calif. The company has won Pentagon contracts to develop airships for surveillance and cargo delivery -- including  one contract reportedly  worth $50 million.

In 2017, Pasternak was  quoted in Newsweek  talking about his company’s efforts to produce a variant of the M16 rifle in Ukraine. "The M16 project was conceived some time ago, as the Ukrainian armed forces, border guards and National Guard will with time switch to NATO standards," Pasternak said during a press conference in Kiev at the time.

The scrutiny comes as Democrats ramp up their impeachment inquiry into Trump. Democrats are moving ahead with those efforts after a whistleblower complained that the president, in a July phone call, pressed the president of Ukraine to investigate the business dealings of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, in that country.

Schiff has been singled by Republicans, including Trump himself, in recent days: Republicans have decried how Schiff, during a hearing last week, read a "parody" version of Trump’s phone call with Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

Republicans also slammed Schiff after the Intelligence Committee acknowledged this week that the whistleblower alleging misconduct had reached out to Schiff's panel before filing a complaint.

Alex Pappas is a senior politics editor at FoxNews.com. 

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Heartland American
1  seeder  Heartland American    2 months ago

The scrutiny comes as Democrats ramp up their impeachment inquiry into Trump. Democrats are moving ahead with those efforts after a whistleblower complained that the president, in a July phone call, pressed the president of Ukraine to investigate the business dealings of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, in that country.

Schiff has been singled by Republicans, including Trump himself, in recent days: Republicans have decried how Schiff, during a hearing last week, read a "parody" version of Trump’s phone call with Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky.

Republicans also slammed Schiff after the Intelligence Committee acknowledged this week that the whistleblower alleging misconduct had reached out to Schiff's panel before filing a complaint. https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7034/adam-schiff-ukraine-connection-comes-under-scrutiny

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @1    2 months ago

By all means, let's do it.  Let's investigate Hunter

As you are certainly a champion of truth, God's love, fairness and Christian principles,

I am certain that you would not object to a completely unbiased and transparent investigation into Ivanka Trump's operations in China.

I am certain that you would welcome the truth about how she managed to get all of those patents in record time, like in hours after a dinner with

Xi Jinping at Maralago....

let's start with the children of the potential candidates, then branch out to the Cabinet and their families, and then Congress.

Why not?

/s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @1.1    2 months ago

Hunter?  The topic is Schiff and his involvement with Pasternak and the Ukraine. The people have a right to know!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 months ago

That might have been better addressed to the person who originally brought up Hunter.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 months ago

The topic is whatever is in the article/seed.

The scrutiny comes as Democrats ramp up their impeachment inquiry into Trump. Democrats are moving ahead with those efforts after a whistleblower complained that the president, in a July phone call, pressed the president of Ukraine to investigate the business dealings of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, in that country.

Thanks for your concern.

 
 
 
lib50
1.2  lib50  replied to  Heartland American @1    2 months ago
the president, in a July phone call, pressed the president of Ukraine to investigate the business dealings of former Vice President Joe Biden's son, Hunter, in that country.

And I submit the question to all that think forcing a foreign country to investigate an American political opponent is proper, you will be happy with this request from all Americans?  - 'China, Finland, anybody out there, if you're listening, speaking about corruption, can you tell us what is going on with Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, Jared, Moscow Mitch and his wife Chao, the Pences, Pompeo, Rudy.  Oh, and Lindsey Graham.  The lines are open. and we hope you know what we want to hear (if not, we will draft if for you).' 

 
 
 
Ender
1.2.1  Ender  replied to  lib50 @1.2    2 months ago

Yep. Come one come all. I invoke Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Rwanda...

I want France to investigate eric. I want Germany to investigate ivanka.

Just to add insult to injury, I want Venezuela to investigate don jr.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @1.2.1    2 months ago
I want Germany to investigate ivanka.

Which part?

512

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.3  cjcold  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.2    one month ago

Parts (plural).

 
 
 
Krishna
2  Krishna    2 months ago

And let's not forget Trump asking China to investigate Biden!!!

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago

Or Rick Perry's three meetings with Zelensky jrSmiley_72_smiley_image.gif

Or Kurt Volker's meetings with Zelensky

often with the political appointee, our Ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland.

Or Bill Taylor...

Or Mike Pence.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago

The scandalous behavior of the Bidens in China needs to be investigated.  Many in the democrat party leadership are in bed with that regime. 

 
 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.1    2 months ago

Please inform us of what Ivanka did in China after her father was elected to office.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.2    2 months ago

Did you read the links?

Did you think she would have gotten those patents before Xi was wined and dined in Maralago by the Trumps?

or if the Donald wasn't the POTUS?

Seriously?

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.1    2 months ago
Ivanka Trump's, China supply line shrouded in secrecy...or sorcery, lol

512

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @2.2.4    2 months ago

I believe the Trump initiative was called 'Buy American, Hire American'

which apparently doesn't apply to family and friends...

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Heartland American @2.2    2 months ago

Hmmm could this be an attempt to get the attention off of Ivanka?  Hmmmm.  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Heartland American @2.2    2 months ago

512

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.8  katrix  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.3    2 months ago
Did you think she would have gotten those patents before Xi was wined and dined in Maralago by the Trumps?

Fox, Breitbart, Infowars, and World Nut Daily don't post facts that hurt Trump worshippers' feelings. So it's not fair to expect HA to be aware of how Ivanka has profited from her father's presidency.  The Trump base apparently avoids anything which might tarnish their god's image for them.

It is so bizarre, seeing how these people actually worship a man, much less someone like Trump. He said he's the second coming and apparently some of his base believe it.

 
 
 
lib50
2.2.9  lib50  replied to  Heartland American @2.2.2    2 months ago
Please inform us of what Ivanka did in China after her father was elected to office.  

'China, if you are listening, can you find the transcripts of the communications as to how Ivanka got her patents, and any other dirt you can get on Trump will be greatly appreciated and rewarded with American support for ........... (fill in the blank).'

We'll get back to you with the evidence.

 
 
 
Ender
2.2.10  Ender  replied to  lib50 @2.2.9    2 months ago

Love this. If it is not illegal (according to them), fight fire with fire.

Just gotta tell China we will work on a trade deal just for the dirt.

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.2.11  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @2.2    one month ago

That comment turned out timely considering today’s seed about China and Biden. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @2    2 months ago
And let's not forget Trump asking China to investigate Biden!!!

Did Trump ask or did he say China should????

The topic is still Schiff

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3    2 months ago

'Did Trump ask or did he say China should????'

So there's a difference?

Let's not split hairs here.    

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.3.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.1    2 months ago

The topic is still the Pencil necked Schiff head.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.3.1    2 months ago
Let's not split hairs here.    

As so many here like to remind us - words matter!

 
 
 
lib50
2.3.4  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.3    2 months ago

Like what the meaning of 'is' is?  Or 'suggest'? 

I think the world is capable of getting the meaning of what is said.  We have to listen to the jackass for years now, stop trying to re-explain what he means.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  lib50 @2.3.4    2 months ago

The trumpsplanations are oh so fucking tiresome!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @2.3.4    2 months ago

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean— neither more nor less .” .... Lewis Carroll,  Through the Looking Glass

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Trump likes to accuse others of doing the same shit he is accused of. If he ever gets charged with fucking a goat his defense will be that the prosecutor fucked a goat first. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago

I'd like to see an investigation into whether Hunter Biden benefited from his father's position as VPOTUS.

Having said that, and knowing that even if Joe Biden had nothing to do with it, China knows how to play these international games,

so I would expect an egually strident investigation into the POTUS' s children and the many lucrative contracts and patents that were granted

( in record time ) to Ivanka Trump's 'businesses' in China and any other influence peddling or extortion by the WH on behalf of

Don JR and / or Eric Trump.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, no?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    2 months ago
'What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, no?'

You silly goose!  NYET.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
Trump likes to accuse others of doing the same shit he is accused of.

Goebbels rule. 

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @3.2    2 months ago

The projection is all yours.

BTW it's a little early to drag in Goebbels

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    2 months ago

Godwin’s law applies here.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.2    2 months ago

 Let's put it this way, what Trump allegedly did pales beside what Biden and Clinton actually did. The liberal media is a national disgrace and has reduced this nation to a banana republic.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.2    2 months ago

Godwin’s law applies here.  

???? Goodwin also said if they act like nazi's to call them out as such. BTW? Call the cops, see if they will come arrest me for breaking that, "law"? LOL 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.2.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    2 months ago

Sadly you are right.  I’ve got an article up about how stupid it is what the enemy is doing. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Heartland American @3.2.5    2 months ago

You mean dressing up a leaker with 2nd hand info as a whistleblower. One who had secret meetings with Schiff's staff (which Schiff lied about) and then secretly providing him with expert legal assistance, having the Speaker make an ominous annoucement concerning impeachment and then holding closed door hearings so the public won't hear spontaneous answers to the pointed questions of Adam Schiff''s staff? Ya, that is stupid. Honest, decent people see right through it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.6    one month ago
You mean dressing up a leaker with 2nd hand info as a whistleblower.

Funny...that's what impeached Clinton, but now it's not ok. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.2.8  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.7    one month ago
Funny...that's what impeached Clinton, but now it's not ok. 

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And here all this time I thought it was for lying under oath. Who knew.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @3.2.8    one month ago

Yup, perjury and obstruction of justice. Far more serious than a President asking a foreign leader to address corruption.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.10  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.9    one month ago

Put Trump/Pence/Barr/Pompeo under oath and lets talk.  The reason Trump won't go under oath is because he lies every time he opens his gob.

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.11  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.9    one month ago

Trump didn't ask a foreign leader to address corruption.  He asked that foreign leader to COMMIT corruption by making up dirt on the Bidens. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2.12  XDm9mm  replied to  lib50 @3.2.11    one month ago
Trump didn't ask a foreign leader to address corruption.  He asked that foreign leader to COMMIT corruption by making up dirt on the Bidens.

Other than that insane fantasy "reading" that Shitty Shifty Schiff did (as parody) of the phone transcript between Trump and the Ukraine President had, can you specifically note where he asked anyone to "make up dirt"?  

You can do that can't you?   Can't you?  With specificity.  Can't you?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.3    one month ago
Let's put it this way, what Trump allegedly did pales beside what Biden and Clinton actually did.

WHAT did the 'actually do Vic? Please be specific. Or is it your posit that just throwing shit at the NT wall is sufficient fodder for a discussion here? 

The liberal media is a national disgrace and has reduced this nation to a banana republic.

Then post a link from conservative media to support your allegation against the Clinton's and the Bidens. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.14  r.t..b...  replied to  lib50 @3.2.11    one month ago
Trump didn't ask a foreign leader to address corruption.  He asked that foreign leader to COMMIT corruption by making up dirt on the Bidens. 

Plain and simple. (except to the simpletons)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @3.2.10    one month ago
Put Trump/Pence/Barr/Pompeo under oath and lets talk. 

What about due process?  There are no minority rights to subpoena or call witnesses. Even the committee's don't have much subpoena power under this silly no vote impeachment inquiry/investigation/whatever. It's time to vote for the articles of impeachment and man up!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.2.13    one month ago
WHAT did the 'actually do Vic?

I don't even know what that means?

Then post a link from conservative media to support your allegation against the Clinton's and the Bidens. 

Come on Dully, the Clinton's have had a long saga of scandal and Joe didn't even have the sense to tell his son that taking that job didn't look good at best and presented a conflict of interest at worst. The media never questions them, though the New York Times did do a story on it at the time.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.17  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.16    one month ago
I don't even know what that means?

What did THEY do Vic? 

Come on Dully, the Clinton's have had a long saga of scandal

So you've got NOTHING specific, just a sweeping generalization of 'SCANDAL!'. Got ya. 

and Joe didn't even have the sense to tell his son that taking that job didn't look good at best and presented a conflict of interest at worst.

So that's what you think is WORSE than what Trump has done? 

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The media never questions them, though the New York Times did do a story on it at the time.

Questions them about WHAT? The HORROR of a perceived conflict of interest?

Did any of the Agency IGs file a criminal referral for that Vic? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.2.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dulay @3.2.17    one month ago

What about Trumpps on fall of off springs, i'm sure business IS NEVER discussed...

give us a break.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.2.17    one month ago
So that's what you think is WORSE than what Trump has done? 
Yup

Questions them about WHAT? The HORROR of a perceived conflict of interest?

Yup, the very thing democrats have such trouble with

Did any of the Agency IGs file a criminal referral for that Vic? 

I'm glad you brought that up. A federal judge has ordered the DOJ to either charge McCabe by Nov 15th or let him walk

 
 
 
Dulay
3.2.20  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.19    one month ago
Yup

Well at least we know where you stand now Vic. 

A perceived conflict of interest is the same as an overt abuse of power. 

Yup, the very thing democrats have such trouble with

The thing I am having trouble with is the false equivalency. 

I'm glad you brought that up. A federal judge has ordered the DOJ to either charge McCabe by Nov 15th or let him walk

Actually the Judge told the DOJ to make up their mind or he would release the DOJ documents about the motive behind McCabe's firing and he said: "I think our society, our public does have a right to know what's going on."

You're in favor of the people's right to know right Vic? 

BTW, you still haven't told me what they did. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago

Are you afraid to have the people know about Schiff?

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3    one month ago
Are you afraid to have the people know about Schiff?

No, not at all.

I just think that if you insist on investigating Schiff because he 'came to embrace a strong stance in support of the United States sending military aid to Ukraine during its conflict with Russia", EVERYONE that did so should be investigated TOO.

BTFW, based on the votes in Congress for aid, to Ukraine, that would include just about EVERYONE in Congress in 2014. The Senate passed an aid package for Ukraine by VOICE VOTE and the House [run by Boehner] passed it by 399-19. 

The Congress later passed the UKRAINE FREEDOM SUPPORT ACT OF 2014 which included military aid by voice vote and without objection. 

That's a LOT of people to investigate, you should bring a lunch. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.1    one month ago
That's a LOT of people to investigate, you should bring a lunch. 

And you forgot to add that outside of Russia, the Ukraine might just be the most corrupt county in Europe

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.2    one month ago
And you forgot to add that outside of Russia, the Ukraine might just be the most corrupt county in Europe

I didn't add that because it's irrelevant to my comment. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @3.3.3    one month ago
I didn't add that because it's irrelevant to my comment. 

Maybe not to you, but it is totally relevant to the conversation! And we are going to find out just how relevant and your'e not gonna like it one bit!

 
 
 
pat wilson
3.3.5  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.4    one month ago

Whether or not the Ukraine is corrupt doesn't change the fact that trump committed a crime.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.3.4    one month ago
Maybe not to you, but it is totally relevant to the conversation! And we are going to find out just how relevant and your'e not gonna like it one bit!

Nope, it's not even relevant to the conversation. What country is more corrupt has nothing to do with it. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.3.7  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @3.3.3    one month ago

Which is irrelevant to the seeded article....

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.3.8  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  pat wilson @3.3.5    one month ago

actually, no he did not.  

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.9  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @3.3.7    one month ago
Which is irrelevant to the seeded article....

Bullshit Xx. 

HOW the fuck can talking about Schiff be irrelevant in a seed about Schiff? 

Your seed states that Schiff is coming under scrutiny for something a VAST MAJORITY of the Congress supported too. HOW is THAT irrelevant Xx? 

Come on, support your claim. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.10  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @3.3.8    one month ago
actually, no he did not.  

Actually Xx, Trump committed an impeachable offense and he did so live on TV. 

Even Tucker Carlson admitted as much:

Once those in control of our government use it to advance their political goals, we become just another of the world's many corrupt countries. America is better than that."

See that there Xx? Carlson admits that Trump used his office to advance his own political goals.

Black's Law Dictionary:
To impeach means, "To charge with a crime or misconduct; especially to formally charge (a public official) with a violation of the public trust." 

Public trust: Trust created for the promotion of public welfare and not for the benefit of one or more individuals.

So Carlson admits that Trump committed an impeachable offense. Why won't you? 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.11  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @3.3.8    one month ago

So hours later and still you've got nothing but unfounded proclamations Xx. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.3.12  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @3.3.10    one month ago

Because Trump did no such thing. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.3.13  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @3.3.11    one month ago

Every attack on Trump is an unfounded allegation.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.14  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @3.3.12    one month ago
Because Trump did no such thing. 

He absolutely did Xx.

Even Carlson and Neil Patel admitted as much. 

How does it feel to read that Tucker Carlson and the founder of the Daily Caller, Neil Patel have unlocked their lips from Trump's BUTT? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.3.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.10    one month ago
n Tucker Carlson admitted as much:

Where did Tucker Carlson  state Trump committed an impeachable offense? 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.3.16  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dulay @3.3.14    one month ago

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Dulay
3.3.17  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.15    one month ago

Read the quote in my comment Sean. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.3.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.17    one month ago

So you didn't understand what he said or are you deliberately  misrepresenting their article. Which is it? 

No honest person could claim this statement by Carlson:

"Ukraine call, though, is whether the president’s actions, advisable or not, rise to the level of an impeachable offense. It’s hard to argue they do. The president did not, as was first reported, offer a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians. He did not condition any U.S. support on a Biden investigation. The Justice Department has already looked at the totality of the call and determined that Trump did not break the law. "

supports your claim that :

"Trump committed an impeachable offense and he did so live on TV. Even Tucker Carlson admitted as much."

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.19  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.18    one month ago
So you didn't understand what he said or are you deliberately  misrepresenting their article. Which is it? 

Neither Sean.

I understood what they said in the Op/Ed PERFECTLY. 

Unlike many here, I understood it too. 

I QUOTED what they said verbatim, so how can you label that misrepresenting? 


No honest person could claim this statement by Carlson:
"Ukraine call, though, is whether the president’s actions, advisable or not, rise to the level of an impeachable offense. It’s hard to argue they do. The president did not, as was first reported, offer a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians. He did not condition any U.S. support on a Biden investigation. The Justice Department has already looked at the totality of the call and determined that Trump did not break the law. "

WOW! That's one hell of an edit there Sean...

Now, WHY did you truncate that quote Sean? 

Oh and WHY the fuck are you pretending that I claimed it supported my comment? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.3.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.19    one month ago

what a great advertisement of your lack of credibility!

Let's look again.  To quote you:

Actually Xx, Trump committed an impeachable offense and he did so live on TV. 

Even Tucker Carlson admitted as much

And your " proof" is a single statement that says nothing of the sort from an article where Carlson explicitly stated it's hard to even make an argument that he committed an impeachable offense.  Sad, but no surprise, that  you would resort to deliberately misrepresenting Carlson's opinion and then double down on it when proven wrong.  And yet you criticize Trump for being dishonest.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.21  Dulay  replied to  Freedom Warrior @3.3.16    one month ago

Are you speaking from experience FW? 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.22  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.20    one month ago
And your " proof" is a single statement that says nothing of the sort

It says just that Sean. Here is my comment, with the quote from the Carlson Op/ed:

Once those in control of our government use it to advance their political goals, we become just another of the world's many corrupt countries. America is better than that." 

See that there Xx? Carlson admits that Trump used his office to advance his own political goals.

Black's Law Dictionary:
To impeach means, "To charge with a crime or misconduct; especially to formally charge (a public official) with a violation of the public trust." 

Public trust: Trust created for the promotion of public welfare and not for the benefit of one or more individuals.

Can you refute those facts Sean? 

from an article where Carlson explicitly stated it's hard to even make an argument that he committed an impeachable offense.  

Tucker Carlson's inability to argue something is irrelevant. DOZENS of people have been arguing that Trump committed an impeachable offense in the last week. Catch up. 

Sad, but no surprise, that  you would resort to deliberately misrepresenting Carlson's opinion 

Again, I QUOTED the Op/Ed, HOW is that misrepresenting him? 

and then double down on it when proven wrong.  

Who did that Sean? Sure as hell not you. 

And yet you criticize Trump for being dishonest.

He is...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.3.23  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @3.3.22    one month ago
s just that Sean

No, Carlson explcitrlty said the  exact opposite of what you claimed. You either  lied or can't comprehend simple English when you falsely claimed

"Actually Xx, Trump committed an impeachable offense and he did so live on TV. 

Even Tucker Carlson admitted as much"  when it's right there in black and white that he said the opposite. 

Can you refute those facts Se

We are talking about what Tucker Carlson wrote, not black's law dictionary. Sad you keep deflecting rather than admit that Carlson doesn't believe Trump committed an impeachable offense  like you so blatantly falsely claimed. Have you no integrity?  You are attributing the exact opposite opinion to Tucker Carlson from what he wrote. That's dishonest. 

ucker Carlson's inability to argue something is irrelevant. DOZENS of people have been arguing that Trump committed an impeachable offense in the last we 

You misrepresented his opinion and continue to do so. That's what relevant.

DOZENS of people have been arguing that Trump committed an impeachable offense in

Yet you falsely claimed the Tucker Carlson argued that Trump committed an impeachable offense despite him writing the exact opposite.

gain, I QUOTED the Op/Ed, HOW is that misrepresenting him? 

Because you ignored the relevant  part of the op-ed  where he explicitly said the opposite of the opinion  you attributed to him.  It's the textbook definition of misrepresenting him. 

ho did that Sean? Sure as hell not you. 

Of course I did. Any honest person with a fourth grade reading level understands that Carlson doesn't think Trump committed an impeachable offense, despite your blatant misrepresentation.

Let's try this exercise. Read the relevant excerpt  and then tell me if the author thinks Trump committed an impeachable offense.  

" call, though, is whether the president’s actions, advisable or not, rise to the level of an impeachable offense. It’s hard to argue they do. The president did not, as was first reported, offer a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians. He did not condition any U.S. support on a Biden investigation. The Justice Department has already looked at the totality of the call and determined that Trump did not break the law. "

So, does Carlson think Trump committed an impeachable offense? 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.3.24  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Dulay @3.3.21    one month ago

One of your cohorts told me it’s become very popular among the Dem punditry.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.25  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.3.23    one month ago
No, Carlson explcitrlty said the  exact opposite of what you claimed.

Then what did he mean when he said:

Once those in control of our government use it to advance their political goals, we become just another of the world's many corrupt countries. America is better than that." 

Who was controlling and using the government in that statement? 

Hint: Trump. 

Whose political goal was being advanced?

Hint: Trump. 

Sad you keep deflecting rather than admit that Carlson doesn't believe Trump committed an impeachable offense, like you so blatantly falsely claimed. 

Again, Carlson said that it would be hard to argue. He didn't say a fucking thing about what he 'believed'. I didn't say that Carlson believed a fucking thing. I said he ADMITTED that Trump committed an impeachable offense.

I cogently walked you through WHY it was an impeachable offense. Instead of refuting my comment, you post bullshit. Stop posting bullshit. 

You misrepresented his opinion and continue to do so. That's what relevant.

No Sean. I quoted what he said and PROVED he described an impeachable offense. You can't refute that fact. Get over it. 

Yet you falsely claimed the Tucker Carlson argued that Trump committed an impeachable offense despite him writing the exact opposite.

That's a strawman Sean. 

I NEVER said that Carlson 'argued' a fucking thing. I said he ADMITTED.

Carlson DIDN'T 'write the exact opposite', he said it would be hard to argue. What's hard for Carlson is easy for many. 

If you're going to debate me, you better bring FACTS.

I'm sure that you count on the fact that all too many don't actually READ around here but I know your comments are BS. 

It's the textbook definition of misrepresenting him. 

So posit is that quoting him is misrepresenting him. 

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Of course I did. Any honest person with a fourth grade reading level understands that Carlson doesn't think Trump committed an impeachable offense, despite your blatant misrepresentation.

Any honest person with a forth grade reading level understands that my comment isn't about what Carlson THINKS, it's about what he ADMITTED. 

OH and I proved it. 

Let's try this exercise. Read the relevant excerpt  and then tell me if the author thinks Trump committed an impeachable offense.  

" call, though, is whether the president’s actions, advisable or not, rise to the level of an impeachable offense. It’s hard to argue they do. The president did not, as was first reported, offer a quid pro quo to the Ukrainians. He did not condition any U.S. support on a Biden investigation. The Justice Department has already looked at the totality of the call and determined that Trump did not break the law. "

So, does Carlson think Trump committed an impeachable offense? 

Thanks for proving everything I said above.

Note that the words 'I think' or 'I believe' are NOT included in your quote Sean. They said, as I have repeated multiple times, that "It's hard to argue they do" and you so conveniently highlighted in bold . All that other bullshit you posted about what he thinks or believes, originates from a fever dream. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.3.26  Dulay  replied to  Freedom Warrior @3.3.24    one month ago

None of my 'cohorts' are Democratic pundits. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.4  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @3    2 months ago
If he ever gets charged with fucking a goat his defense will be that the prosecutor fucked a goat first. 

That is probably accurate. Except you forgot to add that he'll claim there is nothing wrong with his goat fucking in the first place, but that the prosecutor committed treason by fucking a goat and should be executed.

Trump is a traitor.

 
 
 
JBB
3.4.1  JBB  replied to  katrix @3.4    one month ago

Journalistically this is so yellow it is saffron!

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.4.2  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  katrix @3.4    one month ago

It is his detractors who are the real traitors against America and the constitution.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.4.3  Dulay  replied to  katrix @3.4    one month ago
Trump is a traitor.

Criminal yes, treasonous no. 

I don't like to bandy about legal terms if their definition doesn't match the crime. 

The Constitution defines treason, statutes enumerate the crime and penalty for treason. 

Did Trump betray the public trust? Unequivicolly. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.4.4  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @3.4.2    one month ago
It is his detractors who are the real traitors against America and the constitution.

Who are his detractors betraying Xx? 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.4.5  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  katrix @3.4    one month ago

It is Nancy Pelosi, Gerold Nadler, and Adam Schiff who are the traitors against our exceptional America.  Trump is a great American and an awesome 😎 President.  

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.4.6  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Heartland American @3.4.2    one month ago

😝🤬

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.4.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @3.4.3    one month ago

You can be a traitor without committing treason. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.4.8  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.7    one month ago

Well the secular progressive left would certainly be expert on that. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.4.9  Dulay  replied to  JBB @3.4.1    one month ago
Journalistically this is so yellow it is saffron!

I totally disagree JBB. Saffron has a high value, this seed has none. 

 
 
 
Dulay
3.4.10  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.7    one month ago

I agree. 

Yet most of time, when the label 'traitor' is used, they mean treasonous.

I have no doubt that's how Trump and Xx means it. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.4.11  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.7    one month ago

Lies only become true if person choose to believe

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.4.12  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @3.4.7    one month ago

 Well that’s been proven wrong just about every day 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
3.4.13  Freedom Warrior  replied to  katrix @3.4    one month ago

Yeah in a minute one of the Dem  presidential candidates will conspire to kill someone overseas they’ll just tell us they deserved it.

 
 
 
bbl-1
4  bbl-1    2 months ago

Holy Crackers CH4P!!!!

The only 'real Ukrainian Connections' involve Paul Manafort, Donald J. Trump and a number of Russian oligarchs.

The Biden family?  Honestly?  Want to get into some real crap let ask Giuliana what happened to all of the Fireman Boot Money, the jewels, precious metals, cash and securities that were in basements of The World Trade Center.  Everyone is worried about corruption, right?

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  bbl-1 @4    2 months ago

We are aware of how democrat senators tried to bully and blackmail Ukraine into giving them more dirt on Trump after he was elected President.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Heartland American @4.1    2 months ago

No.  We are not aware.  Only those that will cover and aid the Putin plutocracy are willing to denigrate their awareness and support for democracy.

Manafort.  Thus far he is holding and staying true to Trump.  On the other hand his options are none.  Polonium forever lurks.  The reach of the Russian oligarchy is long and infinite.  Manafort knows this.  He knows this to well.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @4.1    2 months ago

We are aware of how democrat senators tried to bully and blackmail Ukraine into giving them more dirt on Trump after he was elected President.  

Ah yes, the "I know you are but what am I" game. LOL So you are just going to accuse dems of doing the exact same thing trump is doing? Really? 

Excuse me for a minute..

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Vic Eldred
4.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.2    2 months ago
Ah yes, the "I know you are but what am I" game.

You mean the "we can only investigate one individual game!"

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.4  katrix  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.2    2 months ago
So you are just going to accuse dems of doing the exact same thing trump is doing?

Well, it's how Trump works; it's typical toddler behavior. So it's no wonder that his worshippers do the same thing he does.

Pathetic how they support anything Trump does - but then try to pretend Dems have done the same things, and that it's somehow bad when Dems do it (but fine for Trump). It's just fine for Trump to ask foreign countries - including our enemies - to help him politically. If a Democratic president had done anything like this, Trump's worshippers would be throwing fits, and rightfully so. Instead, they pretend Schiff is doing something wrong by doing the job the Constitution requires him to do.

I never knew there were so many Americans who support treason .. Trump has them all crawling out of the woodwork, groveling at his feet, throwing ethics and morals and honesty and laws away just to show their support for their orange idol. Too bad they don't just leave our country and go to China or somewhere they can revel in the corruption they so love.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.1    2 months ago

He certainly doesn't want to fall to the long arms of the Russian mob.

My God, we have the mob in the White House.  Only difference, the real mobsters know not to shit where they eat.  This stupid thug, lowlife, conman, scumbag, 'president' is shitting here and all over the world.  

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.6  Ender  replied to  katrix @4.1.4    2 months ago

That is the head scratcher. Accuse others of doing the same thing yet when one does it, it is fine. Only the other guy that is the problem.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  katrix @4.1.4    2 months ago
Well, it's how Trump works; it's typical toddler behavior.

Yep, during the election cycle you could literally watch trump accuse someone of something, wait a week or two, and have it revealed that was guilty of the same thing.

Example:

"Pay for play Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Two weeks later? It's revealed that trump used his "charity", to pay off the AG's of florida and texas  to drop his Trump U cases in those two states, (so he wouldn't have to pay as much in the settlement). 

He called Hillary a liar, yet he lies literally 4 times as much. 

etc...

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.8  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.5    2 months ago

Everything the democrats accuse Trump of doing, members of their party have actually done many times.  

 
 
 
lib50
4.1.9  lib50  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.8    one month ago

So you are fine with corruption and lying because everybody does it.  Did you ever raise kids and fall for that excuse?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.10  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1    one month ago
We are aware of how democrat senators tried to bully and blackmail Ukraine into giving them more dirt on Trump after he was elected President.  

"We' aren't. Please provide evidence of your claim. Links? 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.3    one month ago
You mean the "we can only investigate one individual game!"

Is it your posit that whenever you throw shit at the NV wall we are required to sift through it? 

Post some FACTS.

Post a SPECIFIC and evidence based allegation.

Post links to support that allegation. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.12  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    one month ago

[delete]

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.13  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    one month ago

What you describe is exactly what the democrat Party congressional leaders and Trumps accusers are doing.  They are charging him with doing the very same acts that they in office or once there themselves have done recently.  You have it backwards.  It isn’t the Trump administration that are the corrupt ones here.  

 
 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.14    one month ago

Your link doesn't answer my question Xx. I know you love to throw crap at the wall but I asked you to provide evidence that 'democrat senators tried to bully and blackmail Ukraine' as you claim. STOP DEFLECTING. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.16  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @4.1.15    one month ago

Actually it does despite your denial.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.16    one month ago

That is a lie. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.18  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @4.1.17    one month ago

No it is not.  It is a lie to say that the article doesn’t address said concerns.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.18    one month ago

False. I asked you a SPECIFIC question. Answer it Xx. Oh and it would be great if you could manage to post a link that isn't behind a paywall so everyone can read it. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.20  seeder  Heartland American  replied to  Dulay @4.1.19    one month ago

I’ve answered you enough and for the time being will not be directly responding to you.  I expect comity and civility of those directly addressing or questioning me.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.21  Dulay  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.20    one month ago
I expect comity and civility of those directly addressing or questioning me.  

Coming from you that's hilarious Xx. You're incessant name calling refutes any claim that you have to call for comity or civility. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.22  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Dulay @4.1.21    one month ago

Heatland, and Dulay, 

Any more comments of a personal nature will be skirted from this point forward.

Sincerely,

The People's fish

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2  Tessylo  replied to  bbl-1 @4    2 months ago
'The Biden family?  Honestly?  Want to get into some real crap let ask Giuliana what happened to all of the Fireman Boot Money, the jewels, precious metals, cash and securities that were in basements of The World Trade Center.  Everyone is worried about corruption, right?'
Maybe his guilt for being such a ghoul is eating away at his brain.  

OMG!  Thank you so much for that reminder.

Ghouliani, what a monster, the profits he made off of the deaths of all those people.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  Tessylo @4.2    2 months ago

Yes indeed.  And the steel from the fallen towers were immediately placed under guard, hauled away and melted down.  Why?

In the days after 911 our firemen were on every street corner in America holding boots which many people, including myself placed money.  That money went to NY and disappeared.  All of this under Giuliani's watch.

Yeah Mr. Trump.  Want to look at corruption?  Start there.  Be a hero instead of a Quisling.

 
 
 
katrix
4.2.2  katrix  replied to  bbl-1 @4.2.1    2 months ago

Trump himself profited from 911, so expecting him to give a crap about that is rather useless.

To Trump, corruption is a way of life and always has been.

 
 
 
bbl-1
4.2.3  bbl-1  replied to  katrix @4.2.2    2 months ago

Everything you said is absolutely true.

HOWEVER.  It is the Trump himself who incessantly brings up corruption with his every soiled breath.  Okay.  Bring it, Trump.  Bring it.

And lastly.  The Trump has a zillion Achilles Heels.  One of them is infested/infected with Gout.  This is why there are a thousand lawsuits/injunctions/delays in his taxes and financial records.  The guy is walking around with a knife in his throat.  Pull it out and the blood will run.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
4.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  bbl-1 @4    one month ago

Tell me about it tell me about all the corruption that you’re worried about among the Democrat party and loved it love to hear about that shit.

 
 
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